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Brian26
03-10-2013, 02:04 PM
I saw this discussion on another board recently. I hadn't given this much consideration, even though I knew Jeter passed 3,000 hits in the summer of 2011. Jeter currently sits at 3,304 hits. To reach Rose's 4,256 would be a difficult feat at this point, seemingly, but... consider this. Jeter is 39 hits ahead of where Pete Rose was through the same age (38). Through age 38, Jeter has 3,304 while Rose had 3,265. Through age 38, for comparison, Ty Cobb had 3,821 hits.

I can't imagine Jeter hanging on just to beat the record. His disposition, along with the amount of money he's made in his career, doesn't seem to put him in the same category as Rose in his final days with the Expos and Reds. I also can't forsee Jeter playing for another team just to beat the record. I think he has to retire as a Yankee.

On the otherhand, I can see MLB trying to push Jeter towards the record, perhaps even giving him certain incetives, as much as possible for obvious reasons. Beating Rose would take a huge black mark off baseball.

With two very attainable 150-hit seasons in 2013 and 2014, he'd be 5th all-time and just a shoestep away from 4th. With three good seasons left, he finishes 3rd easily. The biggest step is from Aaron to Cobb. Rose and Cobb are only 67 hits apart, so if Jeter makes a run at Cobb, Rose is beatable too.

Can Jeter put together six more seasons of 150 hits to challenge Rose? Or could he play five more years with a couple of 200-hit seasons and three 150-hit seasons? Where does Jeter finish? Barring injury, 3rd all-time seems attainable within three years, but at that point the Rose record becomes an interesting thought.

Pete Rose 4,256
Ty Cobb 4,189
Hank Aaron 3,771
Stan Musial 3,630
Tris Speaker 3,514
Carl Yastrzemski 3,419
Honus Wagner 3,415
Paul Molitor 3,319
Eddie Collins 3,315
Derek Jeter 3,304

RKMeibalane
03-10-2013, 02:13 PM
I saw this discussion on another board recently. I hadn't given this much consideration, even though I knew Jeter passed 3,000 hits in the summer of 2011. Jeter currently sits at 3,304 hits. To reach Rose's 4,256 would be a difficult feat at this point, seemingly, but... consider this. Jeter is 39 hits ahead of where Pete Rose was through the same age (38). Through age 38, Jeter has 3,304 while Rose had 3,265. Through age 38, for comparison, Ty Cobb had 3,821 hits.

I can't imagine Jeter hanging on just to beat the record. His disposition, along with the amount of money he's made in his career, doesn't seem to put him in the same category as Rose in his final days with the Expos and Reds. I also can't forsee Jeter playing for another team just to beat the record. I think he has to retire as a Yankee.

On the otherhand, I can see MLB trying to push Jeter towards the record, perhaps even giving him certain incetives, as much as possible for obvious reasons. Beating Rose would take a huge black mark off baseball.

With two very attainable 150-hit seasons in 2013 and 2014, he'd be 5th all-time and just a shoestep away from 4th. With three good seasons left, he finishes 3rd easily. The biggest step is from Aaron to Cobb. Rose and Cobb are only 67 hits apart, so if Jeter makes a run at Cobb, Rose is beatable too.

Can Jeter put together six more seasons of 150 hits to challenge Rose? Or could he play five more years with a couple of 200-hit seasons and three 150-hit seasons? Where does Jeter finish? Barring injury, 3rd all-time seems attainable within three years, but at that point the Rose record becomes an interesting thought.

Pete Rose 4,256
Ty Cobb 4,189
Hank Aaron 3,771
Stan Musial 3,630
Tris Speaker 3,514
Carl Yastrzemski 3,419
Honus Wagner 3,415
Paul Molitor 3,319
Eddie Collins 3,315
Derek Jeter 3,304


It would be difficult. I think he could be productive for two or three more seasons, but asking for more than that is probably asking too much.

StillMissOzzie
03-10-2013, 02:26 PM
I don't see Jeter playing anywhere near that long, as I agree that he would want to be with the Yankees his whole career and I don't see them keeping him around that long.

SMO
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chicagowhitesox1
03-10-2013, 03:11 PM
I would be surprised but I feel it's possible. It's hard to imagine the Yankees keeping him around if he can't play the field. I don't think the Yankees would want a guy with no power as a DH. Maybe if the Yankees are rebuilding which is likely to happen.

Noneck
03-10-2013, 04:04 PM
I guess its possible with the DH. I just dont see a team like the yanks being able to carry him when he gets old and unproductive as a DH. Im sure other teams would though.

Lamp81
03-11-2013, 12:41 AM
IMHO, Pete Rose was allowed to keep playing (and managing) by the Reds, for the publicity. He was a gate attraction, and they loved having their hometown hero come back and chase Ty Cobb.

If the Reds didn't want Rose in the mid 80s, do you think he would have been kept around long enough to eclipse Cobb? Did the fact that he was the manager, and kept putting his name in the lineup, a factor? If the Reds had another manager, would Pete have gotten less playing time?

IMHO, I think the Yankees value winning too much, and won't keep Jeter around just to chase the record. Also, I don't see Jeter playing for another team, especially a small-market team that would want to bring him on, to get an attendance boost.

chicagowhitesox1
03-11-2013, 01:23 AM
IMHO, Pete Rose was allowed to keep playing (and managing) by the Reds, for the publicity. He was a gate attraction, and they loved having their hometown hero come back and chase Ty Cobb.

If the Reds didn't want Rose in the mid 80s, do you think he would have been kept around long enough to eclipse Cobb? Did the fact that he was the manager, and kept putting his name in the lineup, a factor? If the Reds had another manager, would Pete have gotten less playing time?

IMHO, I think the Yankees value winning too much, and won't keep Jeter around just to chase the record. Also, I don't see Jeter playing for another team, especially a small-market team that would want to bring him on, to get an attendance boost.

Surprisingly Rose did pretty good as a player manager. I think he had a OBP around 380. I always heard he was very fair with splittng time with Tony Perez and Nick Eskasky too. I do think that if another manager was benching Rose, then Marge Schott would either fired him or forced him to play Rose.

shes
03-13-2013, 12:13 AM
I think he has an outside shot at 4,000. As far as becoming the new hit king, I'd put it at about 1%.

Foulke You
03-13-2013, 01:57 PM
I think Rose's record is safe. The closer Jeter gets to 40, the harder it is going to be for him to find a starting job somewhere especially for the salary he has grown accustomed to receiving. He might be able to hang on a few years after that as a backup infielder a la Omar Vizquel (if he would even want that role) but I feel he only has maybe two more years left as a starting SS in this game.

palehozenychicty
03-14-2013, 01:17 AM
Nah. He'll quit in two years tops because his legs will be completely SHOT, and he won't go to another team to be a DH. Another team wouldn't pay him to DH either.

A. Cavatica
03-14-2013, 05:39 PM
What's amazing to me is that Ichiro is the same age as Jeter and only 700 hits behind, despite not making it to MLB until 27. If he had played his whole career in the USA, he'd beat Rose going away.