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#1swisher
03-01-2013, 01:31 PM
Australia vs Chinese Taipei
March 1, 2013, 11:30 PM ET at Taichung Intercontinental Baseball Stadium


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amsteel
03-01-2013, 01:42 PM
The Cuba-Japan game out of group A ought to be a good one.

I'm very much looking forward to heading to SFO for the finals in 2 weeks. Hopefully team USA will be heading to SFO too. USA plays next Fri, Sat, and Sun against Mexico, Canada, and Italy. Not sure in what order, though.

Over/under: 8 posts until someone tells us how pointless the WBC is and how they won't be watching it.

TheVulture
03-01-2013, 01:58 PM
I'm very much looking forward to heading to SFO for the finals in 2 weeks. Hopefully team USA will be heading to SFO too. USA plays next Fri, Sat, and Sun against Mexico, Canada, and Italy. Nto sure in what order, though.



I'm surprised they'd schedule the game at an airport, doesn't seem like they'd have the necessary facilities.

beasly213
03-01-2013, 03:25 PM
I love me some WBC :bandance:

delben91
03-01-2013, 03:36 PM
Anyone gone to a WBC game in the past? Worth the price of admission? I've only seen them on TV.

I ask because I actually will be in Phoenix for work including through the weekend of Mar 9-10. We may wrap by lunchtime on Sunday and would definitely buy a walk-up ticket to see US v. Canada (and maybe swing up to Glendale to see the end of the Reds v. Sox ST game too).

DSpivack
03-01-2013, 03:41 PM
I would be excited about it if I got MLB Network. :whiner:

amsteel
03-01-2013, 03:44 PM
I would be excited about it if I got MLB Network. :whiner:

Yeah, I'm surprised it's not included as part of MLB.TV 2013 or offered as a separate package. Another case of MLB mishandling online media forcing fans to resort to more...clandestine means.

There's a WBC app that let's you watch the games...if you have Bright House, Time Warner, or Direct TV. Useless.

amsteel
03-01-2013, 03:46 PM
Anyone gone to a WBC game in the past? Worth the price of admission? I've only seen them on TV.

I ask because I actually will be in Phoenix for work including through the weekend of Mar 9-10. We may wrap by lunchtime on Sunday and would definitely buy a walk-up ticket to see US v. Canada (and maybe swing up to Glendale to see the end of the Reds v. Sox ST game too).

I paid just under 300$ for the semis and finals at AT&T Park, but they are nice seats. I would think you could walk up and buy a cheap seat in Phoenix for less than 20$.

guillensdisciple
03-01-2013, 03:48 PM
Always get hyped for this. Awesome event, love baseball, love me some countries. Maybe one day, we will get it to World Cup levels.

Either way Vamos Cubanos and come on Americanos!!

delben91
03-01-2013, 03:49 PM
I paid just under 300$ for the semis and finals at AT&T Park, but they are nice seats. I would think you could walk up and buy a cheap seat in Phoenix for less than 20$.

Yeah, looks like they have some $18 seats once I actually take 5 minutes and do some research.

So I guess the question then would be what's the better experience...WBC game or Sox ST game. And if it matters I've never been to spring training either...

TomBradley72
03-02-2013, 08:07 AM
Watched some of Chinese Taipei vs. Australia- not that great of a game. Watching tivo of Brasil-Japan- nice 1st inning run by Brasil.

I'm a big WBC fan-

102605
03-02-2013, 09:18 AM
The Cuba-Japan game out of group A ought to be a good one.

I had the pleasure of watching a few of the Cuba / Japan games in 2009 in person 4 rows behind home plate at Petco. Darvish, Cespedes and Chapman who were all impact guys for their teams. I don't know about the current Japan and Cuba rosters but you could be watching some future MLB stars in the making!

HomeFish
03-02-2013, 09:52 AM
Let's go Netherlands!

TomBradley72
03-02-2013, 10:45 AM
Japan-Brazil turned out to be a great game- some great small ball (sac bunt, bunt for hit, delayed steal)- in front of a raucous crowd.

cub killer
03-02-2013, 11:30 AM
I like how the tournament is played in different countries, rather than just one.

I don't get the scheduling. Brasil will play 2 games before China plays one. Usually all teams in a group play the same amount of games before they move on to the next round within the group stage.

SephClone89
03-02-2013, 10:47 PM
Andre Rienzo pitching for Brasil right now.

getonbckthr
03-02-2013, 11:42 PM
Just took some action on the Netherlands and the over 7.5. True the only guy I can name on the team is Andruw Jones I believe. Also true, Taipei scares me a little because they were dominant in the Nintendo game Little League Baseball. However I now have a rooting interest in the game and reason to stay up and watch it. I may make a sizable meal.

HomeFish
03-02-2013, 11:51 PM
The Netherlands have at least two active MLBers: Andrelton Simmons from the Braves, who is a legit starter, and Roger Bernadina, the 4th outfielder from the Nationals.

getonbckthr
03-02-2013, 11:53 PM
The Netherlands have at least two active MLBers: Andrelton Simmons from the Braves, who is a legit starter, and Roger Bernadina, the 4th outfielder from the Nationals.

Ya but if Nintendo taught me anything Taipei are wicked bunters and very fast

HomeFish
03-03-2013, 06:18 PM
Netherlands lost to Taipei :(

WhiteSox5187
03-05-2013, 01:05 AM
Netherlands lost to Taipei :(

They're beating Australia. Has Australia ever won a game in competition?

doublem23
03-05-2013, 09:53 AM
They're beating Australia. Has Australia ever won a game in competition?

Yes, they beat Mexico in pool play in 2009.

The only countries to have participated in the WBC and not win are South Africa, Panama, and now Brazil.

Lip Man 1
03-05-2013, 10:37 AM
I actually flipped through two games the past few days; just enough to see a hitter and I immediately noticed one thing....the 'crowds' were non-existent.

I mean it looked like there were maybe a few thousand fans in the stands in Japan and in Taipei.

Lip

SephClone89
03-05-2013, 10:44 AM
Yeah, not great turnouts in Japan for teams not named Japan. Strange. I'd expect Japan-Cuba to be packed, though.

EDIT:

And a bit of an upset--Taiwan bests Korea to move on to the second round.

amsteel
03-05-2013, 07:12 PM
Konerko to step in for Texieira?

https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/309082340561403905
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/309086017384759296

****storm in 3..2..1...

SephClone89
03-05-2013, 07:15 PM
Konerko to step in for Texieira?

https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/309082340561403905
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/309086017384759296

****storm in 3..2..1...

Cool.

#1swisher
03-05-2013, 07:18 PM
Teixeira sprained his right wrist, in the batting cage.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/mark-teixeira-injured-batting-tee-miss-world-baseball-230512460--mlb.html

DirtySox
03-05-2013, 07:30 PM
Konerko to step in for Texieira?

https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/309082340561403905
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/309086017384759296

****storm in 3..2..1...

I'm okay with it.

DSpivack
03-05-2013, 08:08 PM
Konerko to step in for Texieira?

https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/309082340561403905
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/309086017384759296

****storm in 3..2..1...

For Konerko, a hitter? Not as much of a ****storm. I hope he plays in it.

amsteel
03-05-2013, 09:19 PM
For Konerko, a hitter? Not as much of a ****storm. I hope he plays in it.

I hope he does too, for a guy on the backside of his career who already has a ring I would think representing your country would be be pretty cool.

WhiteSox5187
03-05-2013, 09:34 PM
For Konerko, a hitter? Not as much of a ****storm. I hope he plays in it.

I agree, it seems like hitters are less likely to get hurt than pitchers. I also don't mind the injury risk of the WBC. I know I am in the minority but it seems to me if a guy is going to get hurt in March I don't really care if he is wearing a White Sox jersey or the jersey of his native country.

WhiteSox5187
03-06-2013, 07:27 AM
You know one of the great things about the WBC is it is so nice to wake up early and turn on a baseball game.

doublem23
03-06-2013, 08:50 AM
I hope he does too, for a guy on the backside of his career who already has a ring I would think representing your country would be be pretty cool.

Plus, I'd love to get a Team USA Konerko jersey

DSpivack
03-06-2013, 03:18 PM
Plus, I'd love to get a Team USA Konerko jersey

No dice. Eric Hosmer named to the team.

amsteel
03-06-2013, 03:33 PM
No dice. Eric Hosmer named to the team.

Interesting choice, my guess is they want a younger guy with more star potential. Otherwise...I have no clue...why not Fielder or Konerko?

DSpivack
03-06-2013, 04:01 PM
Interesting choice, my guess is they want a younger guy with more star potential. Otherwise...I have no clue...why not Fielder or Konerko?

I think I read that Fielder turned them down, or that the Tigers didn't want him to go.

guillensdisciple
03-07-2013, 12:54 AM
Just finished watching the Cuba Japan game. All good until the end.

But, just like any game with Cuba- it is soooooo looooooonnngggg. I watched a game between my hometown municipality (Matanzas) against Villa Clara last time it was in Cuba and the game took about 4 hours to finish. Same deal here. Cubans take so long in between pitches.

Either way, I am glad to see that Cuba might be the best team out there.

KenBerryGrab
03-08-2013, 03:44 PM
Viva Italia!

cub killer
03-08-2013, 04:12 PM
Ok, so the 1st tiebreaker is basically run differential, but it also factors in innings batted and pitched. So winning by slaughter rule will help, and extra innings will hurt.

Korea needed to win by 6 to advance. Don't know if they'd've had the tiebreaker if they won by 5.

But what's interesting is if they would have advanced if they won by 4. Then, they could have let Chinese Taipei tie the game in the 9th, with the hopes of winning by a grand slam in the bottom of the 9th. I wonder if that was the case, if the manager would've been keen to that, and planned accordingly.

We could have had a situation where Korea refused to win the game unless by grand slam. Meaning base runners would hold at third no matter what until the bases were juiced. And if a HR wasn't hit when they were loaded, I guess they'd just stay on their bases, and let the hitter would just retire himself by running to the dugout.

cub killer
03-08-2013, 05:20 PM
Go Italy! Makes you wonder how Italy would have fared back in the day with Dimaggio, Berra, Lazzeri...

Abbondanza!! Italy wins by slaughterrule. Wow. Time to celebrate by singing Volare!

KenBerryGrab
03-08-2013, 05:51 PM
Or dancing the Tarantella!

Lip Man 1
03-08-2013, 07:36 PM
Konerko said he told Torre if he was named to the team at the start he'd be happy to play but he didn't want to participate if named as an injury replacement.

Said he wanted certainty in the spring of what he'd be doing not have to suddenly leave Sox camp because someone got hurt.

Lip

SI1020
03-08-2013, 08:11 PM
Go Italy! Makes you wonder how Italy would have fared back in the day with Dimaggio, Berra, Lazzeri...

Abbondanza!! Italy wins by slaughterrule. Wow. Time to celebrate by singing Volare! Yes let's do it.

vRF5zSczYEs

cub killer
03-08-2013, 08:52 PM
A-Ri's team just defeated Spain 3-0.

If Spain's best athletes (Xavi, Iniesta, etc.) played baseball...

Foulke You
03-09-2013, 06:46 PM
Being baseball starved, I watched 3 innings of last night's USA/Mexico tilt and found it a curious choice by Torre to start R.A. Dickey in that game. The light air in Phoenix tends to cause the knuckle ball to flatten out and not dance quite as much. The pitch Adrian Gonzalez blasted out of the park was just sitting on a tee. Not that I'm losing sleep over USA's loss. It was just an observation.

KenBerryGrab
03-09-2013, 09:15 PM
Nice at-bat, Braun. Sheesh.

soltrain21
03-09-2013, 11:13 PM
Well, that brawl was awesome.

102605
03-09-2013, 11:35 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/9/9/2/42453992/cuts/rodney_sideways_hat_e3osyfv2_cxp8huf1.jpg

WhiteSox5187
03-10-2013, 07:49 PM
USA beat Canada 9-4 (it was a closer game than the score indicates), they move onto the second round. Mexico came in last in Pool D which means they will have to re-qualify for the WBC in 2017.

mzh
03-10-2013, 08:13 PM
De Aza and Rios facing off on ESPN right now, DR leads Puerto Rico 1-0 in the second.

TomBradley72
03-10-2013, 09:05 PM
I was surprised MLB radio didn't have the USA/Canada game on today-

Viva Medias B's
03-10-2013, 09:53 PM
Also, Manos (Jose Valentin) is the first base coach for Puerto Rico.

ChiSoxFann
03-10-2013, 10:08 PM
Love the WBC and glad the US is advancing. It provides a nice bridge over spring training games and today's game was really fun to watch.

I also love that the Larry Bowa mic finally paid off when a censor fell asleep on a check swing appeal. The announcers obviously didn't acknowledge it.

Bowa: "Bull****!!!"

Foulke You
03-11-2013, 12:21 PM
Also, Manos (Jose Valentin) is the first base coach for Puerto Rico.
Also, Lorenzo Barcelo pitched for the Dominican team. The 2000 White Sox were well represented.:D:

In other WBC news, this writer skewers Joe Torre's managing of the USA team. Most of his critiques definitely have merit. I was scratching my head wondering why he was playing small ball with run producers like Adam Jones.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/american-exceptionalism--usa-overcomes-upstart-canada--joe-torre-s-mismanagement-in-wbc--031919220.html

#1swisher
03-11-2013, 02:02 PM
Jon Morosi
Arnold Leon, whose plunking of Rene Tosoni started Saturday's Canada-Mexico brawl, sent to Triple-A by Oakland today.

guillensdisciple
03-11-2013, 04:03 PM
****ing Cuba

Brian26
03-13-2013, 10:34 PM
Rios, Manos and Andy Gonzalez are showing some fire against Italia. What a comeback.

WhiteSox5187
03-13-2013, 10:58 PM
Rios, Manos and Andy Gonzalez are showing some fire against Italia. What a comeback.

How has Rios looked in the WBC so far? I know he scored the winning run tonight but I only saw him against the US so far and I thought his at bats didn't look too good (but few players had good at bats against Gio).

Foulke You
03-14-2013, 04:22 PM
How has Rios looked in the WBC so far? I know he scored the winning run tonight but I only saw him against the US so far and I thought his at bats didn't look too good (but few players had good at bats against Gio).
He looked pretty decent against the USA. He had two hard hit balls up the middle. One of them was absolutely smashed but Jeremy Affeldt made a tremendous snab that robbed him of a hit.

WhiteSox5187
03-14-2013, 10:16 PM
Craig Kimbrel gave up a leadoff double to Nelson Cruz and Erik Aybar came through with a BIG hit to give the Dominican Republic a 2-1 lead in the 9th. Meanwhile Angel Hernandez is expanding the strike zone so that it incorporates the opposite batter's box.

WhiteSox5187
03-14-2013, 10:17 PM
Kimbrel gives up another hit, this time to Jose Reyes, 3-1 Dominican Republic.

WhiteSox5187
03-14-2013, 10:23 PM
Going to the bottom of the 9th, USA is down 3-1.

WhiteSox5187
03-14-2013, 10:32 PM
The Dominican Republic moves on, USA has to beat Puerto Rico tomorrow night.

I don't know why exactly you want to have Shane Victorino represent your final out there, Joe Torre has not done a good job of managing this team. But then again it is still spring training and he is treating it like that. The other countries aren't.

Brian26
03-14-2013, 10:39 PM
Craig Kimbrel gave up a leadoff double to Nelson Cruz and Erik Aybar came through with a BIG hit to give the Dominican Republic a 2-1 lead in the 9th. Meanwhile Angel Hernandez is expanding the strike zone so that it incorporates the opposite batter's box.

That strike-call on Aybar I think motivated him.

cub killer
03-14-2013, 10:44 PM
Exciting game. That Saturday game seems pretty pointless. Just give the DR the top seed from this group since they went undefeated.

Because of the Saturday game, the Final will be on Tuesday instead of Sunday, the day of the last 2 Finals. Weird scheduling. No need to burn any arms on that seeding game.

amsteel
03-15-2013, 12:36 AM
Exciting game. That Saturday game seems pretty pointless. Just give the DR the top seed from this group since they went undefeated.

Because of the Saturday game, the Final will be on Monday instead of Sunday, like the last 2 editions. Weird scheduling. No need to burn any arms on that seeding game.

Final is on Tuesday.

TomBradley72
03-15-2013, 09:29 AM
I've really enjoyed this WBC so far- lots of memorable and unique games-

Brazil taking an early lead over Japan- until the more experienced Japan comes from behind to win late
A pretty shocking come from behind win by the Netherlands over Cuba- with the Cubans very exuberant manager
Japan home runs soaring throught the TokyoDome
The joy and exuberance of the Dominican Republic team
This years complete surprise team- Italy (also my favorite uniforms in the tournament)
Team USA's do or die win over Canada- on the edge of having to QUALIFY for the 2017 WBC
I'm a diehard baseball fan (not just an MLB fan)- for me the WBC is better baseball than at least 50% of all MLB regular season baseball- and with the distinctive styles and cultures of each country's team- just a really cool and unique baseball competition.

I do think MLB has to rethink how they make this tournament more accessible on TV and radio- all the US based games during the week should be played in primetime, at a minimum all team USA games should be on MLB radio, and maybe find a way to mix ESPN more- so this tournament gets more exposure. As an earlier poster mentioned- find a way to have the semis on Friday/Saturday- championship should be Sunday night.

Mr. Jinx
03-15-2013, 10:44 AM
I've really enjoyed this WBC so far- lots of memorable and unique games-

Brazil taking an early lead over Japan- until the more experienced Japan comes from behind to win late
A pretty shocking come from behind win by the Netherlands over Cuba- with the Cubans very exuberant manager
Japan home runs soaring throught the TokyoDome
The joy and exuberance of the Dominican Republic team
This years complete surprise team- Italy (also my favorite uniforms in the tournament)
Team USA's do or die win over Canada- on the edge of having to QUALIFY for the 2017 WBC
I'm a diehard baseball fan (not just an MLB fan)- for me the WBC is better baseball than at least 50% of all MLB regular season baseball- and with the distinctive styles and cultures of each country's team- just a really cool and unique baseball competition.

I do think MLB has to rethink how they make this tournament more accessible on TV and radio- all the US based games during the week should be played in primetime, at a minimum all team USA games should be on MLB radio, and maybe find a way to mix ESPN more- so this tournament gets more exposure. As an earlier poster mentioned- find a way to have the semis on Friday/Saturday- championship should be Sunday night.

I've been a big fan too, but they really need to do something about the rules for playing for a country. The "Italian" team is a joke as half that roster is American anyway.

I also wondered why the Netherlands gets to use players from their territories but there are separate US and Puerto Rican teams? I don't really care on that point, just find it odd.

amsteel
03-15-2013, 11:48 AM
I also wondered why the Netherlands gets to use players from their territories but there are separate US and Puerto Rican teams? I don't really care on that point, just find it odd.

At least until recently, the Dutch Caribbean was just as much a part of the Kingdom as the mainland, obviously the PR-US connection is less strong.

TomBradley72
03-15-2013, 01:43 PM
I've been a big fan too, but they really need to do something about the rules for playing for a country. The "Italian" team is a joke as half that roster is American anyway.

I also wondered why the Netherlands gets to use players from their territories but there are separate US and Puerto Rican teams? I don't really care on that point, just find it odd.

I think they needed to "jump start" some of the countries with a very low level of development of their baseball programs (primarily Europe)- I think right now a player can go back as far as 3 generations to choose USA vs. another country- I would think over time- that would start to change and probably look more like the approach the Olympics take.

TheVulture
03-15-2013, 02:35 PM
obviously the PR-US connection is less strong.

No it's not, Puerto Ricans are full US citizens. The difference is Puerto Rico on its own is strong enough to compete and the Netherlands isn't.

Mr. Jinx
03-15-2013, 02:58 PM
I think they needed to "jump start" some of the countries with a very low level of development of their baseball programs (primarily Europe)- I think right now a player can go back as far as 3 generations to choose USA vs. another country- I would think over time- that would start to change and probably look more like the approach the Olympics take.

Well I hope that we can import athletes from other countries in the same manner for sports that we suck in like soccer, long distance running, and martial arts so that we can be more competitive too.

DSpivack
03-15-2013, 04:00 PM
No it's not, Puerto Ricans are full US citizens. The difference is Puerto Rico on its own is strong enough to compete and the Netherlands isn't.

Well, for whom should players from the ABC islands compete? Officially now, there are four countries in the Kingdom of the Netherlands: Aruba, Curacao, Sint Maarten, and the Netherlands. I see no reason why Aruba should compete separately.

TomBradley72
03-15-2013, 04:10 PM
Well I hope that we can import athletes from other countries in the same manner for sports that we suck in like soccer, long distance running, and martial arts so that we can be more competitive too.

We do.

The U.S. World Cup team is full of players who play overseas- but then play for the U.S. for the Cup.

Immigration FROM the U.S. to other countries is no where near the level of immigration to the U.S. from other countries- so I'm not sure how many 3rd generation Italians, Brazilians, etc. there are that have their original roots in the U.S.

amsteel
03-15-2013, 04:21 PM
No it's not, Puerto Ricans are full US citizens. The difference is Puerto Rico on its own is strong enough to compete and the Netherlands isn't.

Is Puerto Rico a state? Because if it isn't then they're not as closely tied to the US as Aruba, Cucacao, and Sint Maarten are to the KotN.

DSpivack
03-15-2013, 04:38 PM
We do.

The U.S. World Cup team is full of players who play overseas- but then play for the U.S. for the Cup.

Immigration FROM the U.S. to other countries is no where near the level of immigration to the U.S. from other countries- so I'm not sure how many 3rd generation Italians, Brazilians, etc. there are that have their original roots in the U.S.

There are players with strong US ties who have unfortunately chosen to play for other countries, as seen with Nevan Subotic or Giuseppe Rossi. But that's not quite the same thing. And FIFA rules are stricter than whatever rules there seem to be for the WBC.

cub killer
03-15-2013, 06:45 PM
I've been a big fan too, but they really need to do something about the rules for playing for a country. The "Italian" team is a joke as half that roster is American anyway.
I disagree. If you grow up in an Italian household, you can feel just as Italian as any other Italian anywhere else in the world.

I have an unorthodox proposal for the 2017 edition:

2 pools of 8. 1st pool is called the "World League", 2nd is the "Global League". All teams play 7 games. Top teams in each "league" wins its pennant. The 2 winners face off in a best of 3 WBC Series.

:gulp: to any Dominican WSIers here. You guys brought a tremendous atmosphere last night.

WhiteSox5187
03-15-2013, 08:07 PM
Is Puerto Rico a state? Because if it isn't then they're not as closely tied to the US as Aruba, Cucacao, and Sint Maarten are to the KotN.

Puerto Rico is still considered a territory but in a recent non-binding referendum something like 61% of respondents said they wanted to become a state. What I want to know is IF Puerto Rico becomes a state, can they still field their own team for the WBC? Isn't that like having a New Jersey team?

Mr. Jinx
03-15-2013, 08:20 PM
I disagree. If you grow up in an Italian household, you can feel just as Italian as any other Italian anywhere else in the world.



Except that it doesn't work like that for the vast majority of other international competitions.

WhiteSox5187
03-15-2013, 08:50 PM
Bases are loaded with two outs for Puerto Rico, they could effectively end the US hopes' with a base hit here.

WhiteSox5187
03-15-2013, 08:57 PM
Andy ****ing Gonzalez hits a hanging 0-2 curve to drive in two more runs after the US walks in another one. Puerto Rico leads by 4, Torre's decision to pull Vogelsong backfires. Torre has looked pretty bad during this

DSpivack
03-15-2013, 09:45 PM
Puerto Rico is still considered a territory but in a recent non-binding referendum something like 61% of respondents said they wanted to become a state. What I want to know is IF Puerto Rico becomes a state, can they still field their own team for the WBC? Isn't that like having a New Jersey team?

Sure they could. In soccer and in rugby for that matter, England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales compete separately. In the Olympics, they compete as one. It just depends on the rules of the governing body. It seems MLB, or whomever oversees the WBC, has rather lax rules when it's comes which to nationality.

WhiteSox5187
03-15-2013, 10:52 PM
USA is out. Every move Torre made backfired horribly.

KenBerryGrab
03-15-2013, 11:06 PM
USA is out. Every move Torre made backfired horribly.

How do you let Hosmer bat there in the eighth? Pathetic.

WhiteSox5187
03-15-2013, 11:15 PM
How do you let Hosmer bat there in the eighth? Pathetic.

Why do you even pick Hosmer for the team?!

amsteel
03-15-2013, 11:31 PM
In the long run the US continually losing might be what it takes to motivate the elite players into participating.

If seeing your country continually fail isn't motivation for you to get out there and help, then I don't know what to say.

Lip Man 1
03-16-2013, 12:14 AM
Amsteel:

I disagree. This is a made up tournament that means absolutely nothing. What the USA does or does not do is meaningless to what elite players play for...a chance to get to the World Series.

Lip

SephClone89
03-16-2013, 12:26 AM
Amsteel:

I disagree. This is a made up tournament that means absolutely nothing. What the USA does or does not do is meaningless to what elite players play for...a chance to get to the World Series.

Lip

Ah, as opposed to those organic tournaments.

WhiteSox5187
03-16-2013, 01:07 AM
In the long run the US continually losing might be what it takes to motivate the elite players into participating.

If seeing your country continually fail isn't motivation for you to get out there and help, then I don't know what to say.

Amsteel:

I disagree. This is a made up tournament that means absolutely nothing. What the USA does or does not do is meaningless to what elite players play for...a chance to get to the World Series.

Lip

I agree with Lip, I just don't think American players really give a damn about this tournament and I think the managers of the American team have consistently treated it like an extension of spring training. I think it is a VERY big deal for almost everyone else though.

This tournament is a really good idea but it has some kinks that need to be worked out. I hope it does well and eventually reaches the point where the best players from each country WANT to play in this tournament and you can do away with that pitch count rule and maybe move it out of the middle of March when players aren't ready yet.

TDog
03-16-2013, 01:48 AM
I agree with Lip, I just don't think American players really give a damn about this tournament and I think the managers of the American team have consistently treated it like an extension of spring training. I think it is a VERY big deal for almost everyone else though.

This tournament is a really good idea but it has some kinks that need to be worked out. I hope it does well and eventually reaches the point where the best players from each country WANT to play in this tournament and you can do away with that pitch count rule and maybe move it out of the middle of March when players aren't ready yet.

I think it's a great tournament and great for the future of baseball. Of course, there needs to be some tweaking. From a fan's perspective, the quality of baseball is exponentially better than Cactus or Grapefruit League baseball. You can tell from the faces of the players running in the outfield while spring grames are in progress that the exhibition games don't mean anything to the players.

jdm2662
03-16-2013, 01:53 AM
I agree with Lip, I just don't think American players really give a damn about this tournament and I think the managers of the American team have consistently treated it like an extension of spring training. I think it is a VERY big deal for almost everyone else though.

This tournament is a really good idea but it has some kinks that need to be worked out. I hope it does well and eventually reaches the point where the best players from each country WANT to play in this tournament and you can do away with that pitch count rule and maybe move it out of the middle of March when players aren't ready yet.

It is a known fact majority of Americans don't take international competition seriously. And, it's the case for all sports, not just baseball. I do think it was taken more seriously during the time of the Soviet Union and all of the other communist countries reign. But, most people these days under 30 don't even remember those times.

I am for international competition. The problem with this tourny, which the quality of play is probably good, it's hard for myself to take it seriously. It's beyond stupid that second generation Americans who have zero ties to such country is playing for the respective country. I watched a little bit of the game today just because nothing else was on. I enjoyed the play, but I wasn't emotionally attached to it. I was much more upset the Sox faltered down the stretch last season, but I wasn't even close to being upset as I was in 2003. But, that's just more of who I am today more than anything.

TomBradley72
03-16-2013, 09:01 AM
I agree with Lip, I just don't think American players really give a damn about this tournament and I think the managers of the American team have consistently treated it like an extension of spring training. I think it is a VERY big deal for almost everyone else though.

This tournament is a really good idea but it has some kinks that need to be worked out. I hope it does well and eventually reaches the point where the best players from each country WANT to play in this tournament and you can do away with that pitch count rule and maybe move it out of the middle of March when players aren't ready yet.

+1

I think this tournament is getting better each time out. If a tournament was only measured by American level of interest- the World Cup would be somewhere between the Music City Bowl and the AHL Finals. Clearly the teams and fans from Japan, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic all care deeply about this tournament and who wins. For this being only the 3rd WBC- impressed with the way its growing outside the US- and the quality of play across the board is improving for the "non baseball" countries like China, etc.

It's pretty cool to see players of this calibar playing their hearts out- not for money- but for pride in their country. That makes for some unique and interesting baseball.

It needs broader access on TV (need to have some games make it to network TV or at least ESPN/TBS, etc.) and MLB radio should have the games- especially Team USA.

Mr. Jinx
03-16-2013, 09:22 AM
+1

I think this tournament is getting better each time out. If a tournament was only measured by American level of interest- the World Cup would be somewhere between the Music City Bowl and the AHL Finals. Clearly the teams and fans from Japan, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic all care deeply about this tournament and who wins. For this being only the 3rd WBC- impressed with the way its growing outside the US- and the quality of play across the board is improving for the "non baseball" countries like China, etc.

It's pretty cool to see players of this calibar playing their hearts out- not for money- but for pride in their country. That makes for some unique and interesting baseball.

It needs broader access on TV (need to have some games make it to network TV or at least ESPN/TBS, etc.) and MLB radio should have the games- especially Team USA.

It would also help if Harold Renyolds is not allowed anywhere near a live game booth too.

SephClone89
03-16-2013, 10:40 AM
+1

I think this tournament is getting better each time out. If a tournament was only measured by American level of interest- the World Cup would be somewhere between the Music City Bowl and the AHL Finals.

You realize that the World Cup has been a smashing success in the US? The later rounds of the World Cup get TV ratings comparable to the World Series. Not bad for something "nobody cares about."

And the Champions League final, which features absolutely no American involvement, is in the same ballpark as Stanley Cup Finals TV ratings.

But yeah, nobody cares.

It's all about the demographics. Soccer is gaining huge ground in the 18-34 male bracket. In many regions of the US, it's clearly passed NHL in terms of interest. And that's evne without a high-profile American league...most American soccer fans are more interested in the European game, which makes the TV ratings all the more impressive.

Lip Man 1
03-16-2013, 12:43 PM
Soccer....ah yes. I remember the NASL, the Chicago Sting and the advertising motto, "it's the sport of the 70's..." then it became "it's the sport of the 80's..."

Is it "the sport of the new century yet" ??????????????????

Not knocking soccer, other nations enjoy it. Good for them. It hasn't caught on as a major U.S. sport in 40 years. It won't.

Same as the WBC. Just doesn't connect with the American fan.

So be it. Those who enjoy it, good for you. The majority of U.S. fans though see WBC and let out a big yawn.

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By the way just read a column in S.I. where the author acknowledged that this made for TV event isn't popular with U.S. fans and probably will never be but he did offer one suggestion. He says play the opening rounds in March, then shut the season down for 10 days in July to play the finals.

Lip

SephClone89
03-16-2013, 02:16 PM
Soccer....ah yes. I remember the NASL, the Chicago Sting and the advertising motto, "it's the sport of the 70's..." then it became "it's the sport of the 80's..."

Is it "the sport of the new century yet" ??????????????????

Not knocking soccer, other nations enjoy it. Good for them. It hasn't caught on as a major U.S. sport in 40 years. It won't.



You're completely missing the point. Soccer has caught on gradually over the last decades. Hell, in the last five years it's made a drastic move. These days, when I'm wearing anything Tottenham out, it's not unusual to have someone comment on it.

Again, World Cup final ratings are comparable to World Series games. Champions League final ratings are comparable to NHL playoff games. Would not have been imaginable in the NASL era.

amsteel
03-16-2013, 03:14 PM
I'm sure no one gave a **** about the 1934 World Cup, either, but 80 years later its the worlds premier sporting competition. People forget that the vision of the tournament isn't on a 4 year time scale, it's more like 15-20 years. You can't force interest in people you have to let it grow organically. The comparative popularity of soccer in the US from 40 years ago vs. now is an apt comparison.

Hell, the NCAA Tournament wasn't near the juggernaut it is now 40 years ago.

TDog
03-16-2013, 03:38 PM
I'm sure no one gave a **** about the 1934 World Cup, either, but 80 years later its the worlds premier sporting competition. People forget that the vision of the tournament isn't on a 4 year time scale, it's more like 15-20 years. You can't force interest in people you have to let it grow organically. The comparative popularity of soccer in the US from 40 years ago vs. now is an apt comparison.

Hell, the NCAA Tournament wasn't near the juggernaut it is now 40 years ago.

The World Cup is one of the reasons that soccer is the world's most popular sport, by far. It is also more popular in America than some people here than people will admit. And there are some Americans who fight the increasing popularity of soccer while denying it.

I would love to see a baseball equivalent, although it will never be as popular worldwide as soccer. Baseball faces challenges that soccer and even basketball doesn't because of the length and strain of the American professional baseball season. But I think anyone who cares about baseball should embrace the concept of a baseball World Cup.

WhiteSox5187
03-16-2013, 03:50 PM
The World Cup is one of the reasons that soccer is the world's most popular sport, by far. It is also more popular in America than some people here than people will admit. And there are some Americans who fight the increasing popularity of soccer while denying it.

I would love to see a baseball equivalent, although it will never be as popular worldwide as soccer. Baseball faces challenges that soccer and even basketball doesn't because of the length and strain of the American professional baseball season. But I think anyone who cares about baseball should embrace the concept of a baseball World Cup.

The length of the baseball season in the US just makes it hard to find a good time to play the tournament. It would be nice if they could maybe have the qualifying rounds in March and then the semi-finals and finals in the middle of June instead of an All Star Game. The logistics get a bit tricky though.

I do think that something like this can help the game grow in the long run. What was the popularity of basketball like outside (you might even be able to argue inside of) the US in the 1970s? The 1992 Dream Team helped grow the popularity of basketball to a whole new level internationally. If baseball had any idea of how to properly market the game, they could conceivably do something similar. But you would need to have the best players from every country involved. You couldn't have a guy like Justin Verlander or Mike Trout or Albert Pujols sit out.

SephClone89
03-16-2013, 03:51 PM
I'm sure no one gave a **** about the 1934 World Cup, either, but 80 years later its the worlds premier sporting competition. People forget that the vision of the tournament isn't on a 4 year time scale, it's more like 15-20 years. You can't force interest in people you have to let it grow organically. The comparative popularity of soccer in the US from 40 years ago vs. now is an apt comparison.

Hell, the NCAA Tournament wasn't near the juggernaut it is now 40 years ago.

The World Cup is one of the reasons that soccer is the world's most popular sport, by far. It is also more popular in America than some people here than people will admit. And there are some Americans who fight the increasing popularity of soccer while denying it.

I would love to see a baseball equivalent, although it will never be as popular worldwide as soccer. Baseball faces challenges that soccer and even basketball doesn't because of the length and strain of the American professional baseball season. But I think anyone who cares about baseball should embrace the concept of a baseball World Cup.

England declined to even compete in the first few World Cups because they felt it was beneath them. They thought it was assumed that because they invented the sport that they would be the best.

Sound familiar?

WhiteSox5187
03-16-2013, 03:57 PM
England declined to even compete in the first few World Cups because they felt it was beneath them. They thought it was assumed that because they invented the sport that they would be the best.

Sound familiar?

The difference is, that by 2006 I think a lot of people in America were wondering if the US was actually the best country at baseball anymore. Japan, the Dominican Republic and Cuba had all shown that they had a lot of quality players who could compete on the US' level. I think that right now the biggest problem the WBC has is that it feels like it's a manufactured event produced at the behest of Bud Selig and Major League Baseball.

amsteel
03-16-2013, 04:36 PM
I think that right now the biggest problem the WBC has is that it feels like it's a manufactured event produced at the behest of Bud Selig and Major League Baseball.

The only difference is that the World Cup and Olympics are established commercial enterprises. The knee-jerk anti-commercialism response to the WBC is somewhat muted by the fact that every professional event everywhere is a commercial endeavor. Of course the WBC is a manufactured event, it's inherent to the nature of big time sporting events in 2013.

Lip Man 1
03-16-2013, 04:57 PM
Seph:

If you say so. Sorry I don't buy soccer ever breaking into the big four in this country in popularity, television ratings, money or advertising.

It's is a niche sport.

Lip

cub killer
03-16-2013, 04:58 PM
So did the 2 teams competing today burn any pitchers they'd need for their last 2 games? I assume they threw their bullpen dwellers out there so they can have all hands on deck for the important games.

WhiteSox5187
03-16-2013, 05:35 PM
Seph:

If you say so. Sorry I don't buy soccer ever breaking into the big four in this country in popularity, television ratings, money or advertising.

It's is a niche sport.

Lip

The World Cup has wide appeal in the US and while the Premier League might draw the same number of viewers as the NHL, the NHL has made itself into a niche sport. I don't think that soccer, other than the World Cup, would ever approach the level of popularity of the NBA, MLB or NFL but it could conceivably surpass hockey in terms of popularity. That might be more of an indictment of the NHL than on the popularity of soccer.

WhiteSox5187
03-16-2013, 05:45 PM
The only difference is that the World Cup and Olympics are established commercial enterprises. The knee-jerk anti-commercialism response to the WBC is somewhat muted by the fact that every professional event everywhere is a commercial endeavor. Of course the WBC is a manufactured event, it's inherent to the nature of big time sporting events in 2013.

I might be reiterating what you're saying but it seems to me that while the World Cup and the Olympics are clearly established commercial entities, they are least operated by independent bodies. FIFA established and operates the World Cup and is not beholden to the Premier League (at least I don't think it is!). The World Baseball Classic was established by Major League Baseball and while it is governed by IBAF it is done so in conjunction with MLB.

Mr. Jinx
03-16-2013, 06:29 PM
The World Cup has wide appeal in the US and while the Premier League might draw the same number of viewers as the NHL, the NHL has made itself into a niche sport. I don't think that soccer, other than the World Cup, would ever approach the level of popularity of the NBA, MLB or NFL but it could conceivably surpass hockey in terms of popularity. That might be more of an indictment of the NHL than on the popularity of soccer.

I don't think it is an indictment on hockey as much as increased access to soccer on TV now. 10 years ago about the only place you could watch a European soccer game was at a soccer bar who paid a ridiculous fee to get the games on satellite. Now you can watch the same at home via multiple cable/satellite channels. I don't know any natural born American who all of a sudden became a soccer fan in the last few years, but I know a plenty of people who were always fans but now can enjoy watching the games where they couldn't before.

DSpivack
03-16-2013, 06:39 PM
I don't think it is an indictment on hockey as much as increased access to soccer on TV now. 10 years ago about the only place you could watch a European soccer game was at a soccer bar who paid a ridiculous fee to get the games on satellite. Now you can watch the same at home via multiple cable/satellite channels. I don't know any natural born American who all of a sudden became a soccer fan in the last few years, but I know a plenty of people who were always fans but now can enjoy watching the games where they couldn't before.

You could argue that it's better to be a fan of soccer in the US than in any other country, given the plethora of TV options for worldwide leagues. It's easier to regularly watch (find on TV) the EPL here than it is England, if I am not mistaken.

Seph:

If you say so. Sorry I don't buy soccer ever breaking into the big four in this country in popularity, television ratings, money or advertising.

It's is a niche sport.

Lip

Lip, just look at the facts, even if you don't care for the sport.

Money and advertising? This niche sport has a multibillion-dollar TV deal for the World Cup that is larger than that in any other country.

Popularity? The average attendance for an MLS game last season was 18,000. In North America, the only leagues drawing better than that are the NFL, MLB and Liga MX (Mexico's soccer league). The Seattle Sounders led MLS by averaging 44,000 fans per game. Only 2 dozen teams in European leagues drew better than that. As a whole, MLS is the 8th-best drawing soccer league in the world.

TV ratings? Look at what ESPN gets for Premier League games, or what Fox gets for the Champions League Final.

Some niche sport. You might not buy it, but the facts say otherwise.

WhiteSox5187
03-16-2013, 06:55 PM
You could argue that it's better to be a fan of soccer in the US than in any other country, given the plethora of TV options for worldwide leagues. It's easier to regularly watch (find on TV) the EPL here than it is England, if I am not mistaken.



Lip, just look at the facts, even if you don't care for the sport.

Money and advertising? This niche sport has a multibillion-dollar TV deal for the World Cup that is larger than that in any other country.

Popularity? The average attendance for an MLS game last season was 18,000. In North America, the only leagues drawing better than that are the NFL, MLB and Liga MX (Mexico's soccer league). The Seattle Sounders led MLS by averaging 44,000 fans per game. Only 2 dozen teams in European leagues drew better than that. As a whole, MLS is the 8th-best drawing soccer league in the world.

TV ratings? Look at what ESPN gets for Premier League games, or what Fox gets for the Champions League Final.

Some niche sport. You might not buy it, but the facts say otherwise.

A lot of Fox affiliates won't even broadcast Champion League Finals because the ratings are so low and ESPN doesn't get great ratings with the Premier League either. There are obviously a lot of die hard soccer fans in the US who have a huge passion for their sport but I think that right now it is still on the same level and maybe slightly below hockey, another possible "niche" sport with a passionate following from their fans.

Back to the topic at hand, I would be curious to know what the sort of coverage and reception the World Cup got in its third go around (which would have been what? 1936?) as opposed to the World Baseball Classic. I think the WBC could be a great thing for baseball but there are still some kinks that need to be worked out and participants (particularly the US) really need to buy into the importance of the event.

Lip Man 1
03-16-2013, 08:11 PM
Spivak:

I fully suspect (and expect) that in 20 years (I won't be around though) soccer fans will continue to be harping about how "the sport is ready to break through in the U.S.!!!!!!"

Bet on it, for real, it's gonna happen! LOL :D:

The "sport of the 70's" will morph into "the sport of the 30's"
(as in 2030...)

Lip

mahagga73
03-16-2013, 08:20 PM
+1

I think this tournament is getting better each time out. If a tournament was only measured by American level of interest- the World Cup would be somewhere between the Music City Bowl and the AHL Finals. Clearly the teams and fans from Japan, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic all care deeply about this tournament and who wins. For this being only the 3rd WBC- impressed with the way its growing outside the US- and the quality of play across the board is improving for the "non baseball" countries like China, etc.

It's pretty cool to see players of this calibar playing their hearts out- not for money- but for pride in their country. That makes for some unique and interesting baseball.

It needs broader access on TV (need to have some games make it to network TV or at least ESPN/TBS, etc.) and MLB radio should have the games- especially Team USA.
I agree , it's to bad these asinine pitch counts ,and the fact the US first 3 strings of players won't play ,make it nauseating to the casual US fan. If USA trotted out their best team it would be a shoo in to win most these classics. Shane Victorino ,Hosmer, Rollins, and Zobrist don't cut it.But the classic is doing what it was intended to do, grow the game in popularity in non-traditional and traditional markets.

mahagga73
03-16-2013, 08:22 PM
Spivak:

I fully suspect (and expect) that in 20 years (I won't be around though) soccer fans will continue to be harping about how "the sport is ready to break through in the U.S.!!!!!!"

Bet on it, for real, it's gonna happen! LOL :D:

The "sport of the 70's" will morph into "the sport of the 30's"
(as in 2030...)

Lip
The US World Cup team never did anything after that one Olympics they made it to the semi's .

DSpivack
03-16-2013, 08:24 PM
Spivak:

I fully suspect (and expect) that in 20 years (I won't be around though) soccer fans will continue to be harping about how "the sport is ready to break through in the U.S.!!!!!!"

Bet on it, for real, it's gonna happen! LOL :D:

The "sport of the 70's" will morph into "the sport of the 30's"
(as in 2030...)

Lip

I'm not one of those who think it will become the biggest sport in this country. And I don't really care whether it's detractors watch the sport or not. All I am saying is that is a sport of the present; I don't understand people who refuse to accept that as a fact. Is it football, baseball, or basketball? No, but it's just as popular as hockey is in North America.

I don't understand willful ignorance in terms of ignoring facts about it. If some Fox affiliates reject the Champions League Final because of low ratings, why don't NBC affiliates do the same for the Stanley Cup Final? The former has had about twice as many viewers as the latter in the last two seasons.

mahagga73
03-16-2013, 08:25 PM
Why do you even pick Hosmer for the team?!
this ^^^

mahagga73
03-16-2013, 08:28 PM
I'm not one of those who think it will become the biggest sport in this country. And I don't really care whether it's detractors watch the sport or not.

That said, I also don't understand willful ignorance in terms of ignoring facts about it. If some Fox affiliates reject the Champions League because of low ratings, why don't NBC affiliates do the same for the Stanley Cup Final? The former has had about twice as many viewers as the latter in the last two seasons.
You shouldn't care what others think .

DSpivack
03-16-2013, 08:31 PM
You shouldn't care what others think .

Did I say I did?

mahagga73
03-16-2013, 08:46 PM
Did I say I did?
No, I was making more of a statement than aiming it at you . I like a few sports that are niche , and I get the same kind of condesention aimed at me sometimes, that's all.

DSpivack
03-16-2013, 08:51 PM
No, I was making more of a statement than aiming it at you . I like a few sports that are niche , and I get the same kind of condesention aimed at me sometimes, that's all.

Nor should you. I don't care for pro wrestling, auto racing, or golf, but I don't start disagreeing with fans of those sports while being proudly ignorant of facts involving them.

cub killer
03-17-2013, 03:42 AM
I agree , it's to bad these asinine pitch counts ,and the fact the US first 3 strings of players won't play ,make it nauseating to the casual US fan. If USA trotted out their best team it would be a shoo in to win most these classics. Shane Victorino ,Hosmer, Rollins, and Zobrist don't cut it.But the classic is doing what it was intended to do, grow the game in popularity in non-traditional and traditional markets.
I wouldn't say shoo-in. The DR could also bring a powerhouse team. Plus, other countries play their hearts out for this. Heart lifts a team to the next level.

I don't understand willful ignorance in terms of ignoring facts about it. If some Fox affiliates reject the Champions League Final because of low ratings, why don't NBC affiliates do the same for the Stanley Cup Final? The former has had about twice as many viewers as the latter in the last two seasons.

Twice as many viewers? Are you comparing game vs game or game vs series? Game vs series is apples vs oranges. If it's CL Final vs Stanley Cup clincher, then I highly doubt it's twice as many viewers, or even more viewers at all. Please provide a link to back up your claim.

jdm2662
03-17-2013, 11:15 AM
As someone who was involved in soccer for 23 years (1984-2007), I can tell you the sport is light years ahead of when I first started. Light years in terms of leagues, competition, play, participation, and hell, parents/coaches knowledge. Traveling soccer is a big deal, and it made me jealous of what these kids get. There was also no national team (or one that couldn't qualify for the World Cup), or a division one out door league when I played. While the league and team isn't up to par with the rest of the world, these did not exist growing up. So year, it has grown. A lot, actually. However, I don't expect the non-fan or hater to even get this part.

The reason for that? Because, as a pro sport, it will never be big. The MLS has only been around since 1996. There is no big history. Kids also pick up to what their father is a fan of at an early age. Even though there are more dads that played today then during my childhood (my father was the only one that played soccer of all the parents), it's still not even close to being enough. There were plenty of kids in my generation who didn't care for the sport. Sure, it's way ahead of what it is, but the reality is, it's not up to par. And, nor will it ever in my life time. Another factor is that there are a decent amount of soccer fans here. A good amount of them follow other leagues because the quality of play is much better.

Soccer was a victim of instant gratification. The NY Cosmos drew monster crowds in the 70s. They had Warner Brothers check book and they could buy top stars. Since they did that, the whole league and general public went crazy. They failed to realize there were very little American born players playing and the rest of the league wasn't doing quite so hot. Hell, Elmhurst is a pretty good soccer town with an AYSO league and plenty of traveling leagues. The AYSO league wasn't even founded until 1984. Even then, since there are more opportunities with the other top sports, the best athletes aren't going to keep playing one they reach high school. I don't see that changing, and it's the reality of life.

People can think what they want to think. I'm not going to try and change their minds. I don't promote the sport, and I honestly don't really care if it becomes popular nationally or not. I think I'm qualified to give a fair and honest assessment on the topic. I'm not into sports like I used to, and I barely watch these days as it is.

But, going back to the topic of the WBC, as a country, we don't take international competition seriously. The days of the Soviet Union and other communists countries are long over. Another problem is that, as I said before, it's hard for a guy like myself to take this tourny seriously. The tourny forces American players who have zero ties to a country play for the country. The play itself isn't bad, I will watch it if I have nothing else on. But, I'm not going to have any emotional investment in it. Hell, both the White Sox and Bears faltered down the stretch last season, and even then, I didn't get too worked up over it.

DSpivack
03-17-2013, 12:20 PM
Twice as many viewers? Are you comparing game vs game or game vs series? Game vs series is apples vs oranges. If it's CL Final vs Stanley Cup clincher, then I highly doubt it's twice as many viewers, or even more viewers at all. Please provide a link to back up your claim.

I misread the ratings. Last year's Stanley Cup Final averaged 3 million viewers throughout the series and the clinching game got 4.6 million, while the last 2 CL Finals have garnered 2 and 2.6 million viewers, respectively.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/06/13/2012-stanley-cup-final-averages-3-01-million-viewers-down-34-vs-last-year/138091/

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/05/24/epic-uefa-champions-league-final-on-fox-is-second-most-watched-ever/135730/

TDog
03-17-2013, 02:02 PM
Spivak:

I fully suspect (and expect) that in 20 years (I won't be around though) soccer fans will continue to be harping about how "the sport is ready to break through in the U.S.!!!!!!"

Bet on it, for real, it's gonna happen! LOL :D:

The "sport of the 70's" will morph into "the sport of the 30's"
(as in 2030...)

Lip

There is a strain of arrogance among many American sports fans that rules out soccer as un-American. Many were upset when CBS tried to force soccer down their throats in the 1960s, telling them it was the sport of the future (despite its history as an evolutionary predecessor for both American football, hockey and basketball -- the first basketball game in Springfield, Mass., being played with a soccer ball). There are Americans today that deny its growth in popularity in the U.S. But I was in a Las Vegas casino a few years ago watching a White Sox game on a small screen among a large, loud crowd watching a World Cup match on the big screens.

If you want to smugly talk about the future of sports in America, you might consider that more American kids are growing up playing soccer now than football or baseball. Soccer is cheaper and simpler to play at any level. Fewer kids are playing organized football because of associated health risks, which former NFL players are vocally making the public aware of, and youth leagues and schools are facing higher insurance costs. Major League Baseball has has had to take steps to get more kids to play baseball. Basketball and soccer are the sports with the biggest growth potential.

This is only relevant to the discussion tbecaue he WBC is an effort to get more people interested in baseball worldwide, to maximize the interest in the sport, the sort of global interest enjoyed by soccer and basketball. Obviously, the WBC is a long way fom the World Cup or even the world basketball championships. For that matter, there are too many non-Ameican teams have too many Americans on the field. But I believe a baseball World Cup is a great idea fro the future of the game.

I'm not going to be around in 100 years, but it would be nice to think baseball will be. If I find myself propelled at speeds approaching the speed of light and wind up in the next century, it would be nice to take in a White Sox game.

doublem23
03-18-2013, 12:42 AM
This is only relevant to the discussion tbecaue he WBC is an effort to get more people interested in baseball worldwide, to maximize the interest in the sport, the sort of global interest enjoyed by soccer and basketball. Obviously, the WBC is a long way fom the World Cup or even the world basketball championships. For that matter, there are too many non-Ameican teams have too many Americans on the field. But I believe a baseball World Cup is a great idea fro the future of the game.

Agree 100%. Look at how well the NBA has used the international platform to propel basketball's popularity worldwide.

aryzner
03-18-2013, 12:54 AM
Nice to see Rios have a good game for Puerto Rico. 2 for 4 with a 2-run HR.

amsteel
03-18-2013, 02:31 AM
Fun night at AT&T park, Japanese fans know how to have a good time.

thomas35forever
03-18-2013, 03:17 AM
Nice to see Rios have a good game for Puerto Rico. 2 for 4 with a 2-run HR.
Here's to many more such instances with us this season.:gulp:

cub killer
03-19-2013, 05:07 AM
2 White Sox will be in the Final, 1 on each side. Congrats to them.

An all-Hispanic Final, after the last edition was all-Asian. Let's hope the game continues to grow.

Hmm, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to watch the big game in the Humboldt Park area. The atmosphere there should be off the charts.

Madvora
03-19-2013, 09:31 PM
Wait, this final bracket is double elimination, but I don't see anywhere saying the PR has to beat DR twice to win the championship. Is it really just one game for the championship?

DSpivack
03-19-2013, 09:36 PM
Wait, this final bracket is double elimination, but I don't see anywhere saying the PR has to beat DR twice to win the championship. Is it really just one game for the championship?

Yes, the semifinals as well were single-elimination.

Brian26
03-19-2013, 10:05 PM
When you lose, say little; when you win, say less.

DSpivack
03-19-2013, 11:42 PM
Alejandro de Aza and the Dominican Republic are champs!

TomBradley72
03-20-2013, 08:53 AM
A very entertaining few weeks of baseball- the joy of the DR team was very cool.

12 days to Opening Day!

Madvora
03-20-2013, 01:20 PM
I thought it was pretty cool that the PR team came out of the dugout to congratulate the DR on the field after the game. Has that happened in the previous two WBCs? That's something I don't think I've ever seen before. I couldn't imagine the US team doing that after losing in the final.

cub killer
03-20-2013, 05:04 PM
Alejandro de Aza and the Dominican Republic are champs!
Now let's hope he can be a world champion twice in 1 year!

Congrats to the DR. DR winning the WBC is like Brasil winning the World Cup. It just feels appropriate.

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