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WhiteSoxNation
01-02-2013, 09:38 PM
J. Quintana:
As RP-----7ip, 1H, 0.43WHIP, 0.00ERA
As SP-----3.97ERA, 1.40WHIP, 129IP/143H, 4.31era in innings 1-6, 0.00ERA in innings 7-9. Innings 1-6 opponents hit .312 off Quintana.

H. Santiago:
As RP-----3.88ERA, 51IP, 53K
As SP----- 1.86ERA, 19IP, 26K, 3.01ERA in innings 1-6, 2.95era in innings 7-9. After hitters have faced him 3 times in a game 0.179BAA



I'm hoping H. Santiago can win the job, I like his stuff (I like Quintana as well) Eventually both will be #4 and #5.
93MPH FB top 97MPH
83MPH CHG
79MPH SLD
74MPH SCR


Thoughts?

Noneck
01-02-2013, 09:47 PM
If and when they are 4 and 5, with Sale and Danks, 4 lefties is not my cup of tea.

mzh
01-02-2013, 09:50 PM
If Santiago can avoid giving up the longball I like his potential, but as of right now I think Quintana put in too much good work for most of last season for it not to be his job to lose.

LoveYourSuit
01-02-2013, 09:54 PM
If and when they are 4 and 5, with Sale and Danks, 4 lefties is not my cup of tea.

I have no problem with it. If they're the best 5 starters you have, you go with them. The objective of the game is to get batters out. Doesn't matter how you throw the ball.

This reminds of the "need" :rolleyes: of having a second lefty in the pen just for the sake of having him even if he can't get LH hitters out.

LoveYourSuit
01-02-2013, 09:56 PM
J. Quintana:
As RP-----7ip, 1H, 0.43WHIP, 0.00ERA
As SP-----3.97ERA, 1.40WHIP, 129IP/143H, 4.31era in innings 1-6, 0.00ERA in innings 7-9. Innings 1-6 opponents hit .312 off Quintana.

H. Santiago:
As RP-----3.88ERA, 51IP, 53K
As SP----- 1.86ERA, 19IP, 26K, 3.01ERA in innings 1-6, 2.95era in innings 7-9. After hitters have faced him 3 times in a game 0.179BAA



I'm hoping H. Santiago can win the job, I like his stuff (I like Quintana as well) Eventually both will be #4 and #5.
93MPH FB top 97MPH
83MPH CHG
79MPH SLD
74MPH SCR


Thoughts?


Small sample size, no? The guy came in for mop-up duties for a DH in Cleveland. So in reality, he has no bullpen experience.

WhiteSoxNation
01-02-2013, 10:07 PM
I have no problem with it. If they're the best 5 starters you have, you go with them. The objective of the game is to get batters out. Doesn't matter how you throw the ball.

This reminds of the "need" :rolleyes: of having a second lefty in the pen just for the sake of having him even if he can't get LH hitters out.



Great point! I never understood people saying "oh we need a lefty specialist..." oh ya why? He gives up a .330 clip to lefties haha

4 Lefty starters are not bad, Imagine when Peavy hangs it up 5 lefties! :-)
Snodgress Danks Sale Quintana Santiago

:-)

kittle42
01-03-2013, 11:34 AM
4 Lefty starters are not bad, Imagine when Peavy hangs it up 5 lefties! :-)
Snodgress Danks Sale Quintana Santiago

With baseball the way it is, the possibility of any team filling out its rotation in a few years solely from within is really slim.

JB98
01-03-2013, 12:16 PM
It is Quintana's job to lose going into camp. I heard Coop say that on MLB Network Radio the other day.

Bobby Thigpen
01-03-2013, 12:47 PM
It is Quintana's job to lose going into camp. I heard Coop say that on MLB Network Radio the other day.
Does any other pitching coach in MLB appear in the media as much as Cooper?

LoveYourSuit
01-03-2013, 01:14 PM
Does any other pitching coach in MLB appear in the media as much as Cooper?

Funny you say that. He's a guy who gets bothered by the hard questions but yet can't wait to go find a microphone and get on air.

johnnyg83
01-03-2013, 04:03 PM
I like 'em both.

Santiago's FB stays a bit too straight for me sometimes and it can get launched bu even mediocre hitters.

Foulke You
01-03-2013, 04:19 PM
I like 'em both.

Santiago's FB stays a bit too straight for me sometimes and it can get launched bu even mediocre hitters.
Hector has + velocity on his fastball but you are right, it doesn't have a ton of movement. The key for Santiago is that screwball. It is his wipeout pitch and one he absolutely needs command of as a starter to get right handed hitters out. AL hitters will sit on his fastball all day if he can't get that "screwgie" over the plate. The lost command of the screwball is the reason Hector lost the closer job to Reed. Hector seemed to find it again in spot start duty late last year so maybe it is a pitch that comes to him after he works a couple innings.

doublem23
01-03-2013, 04:25 PM
Does any other pitching coach in MLB appear in the media as much as Cooper?

The perk (or drawback, depending on your POV) to being the best

russ99
01-04-2013, 08:48 AM
IMO, we'll need both, even if Floyd isn't shipped out for a bat or two.

To assume Sale, Peavy, and especially Danks coming off surgery will not miss some time this year is foolhardy.

Lip Man 1
01-04-2013, 09:24 AM
Russ:

Agree with your post. Today you actually need six starters...not five.

Lip

ZombieRob
01-04-2013, 09:59 AM
It is Quintana's job to lose going into camp. I heard Coop say that on MLB Network Radio the other day.
I read an article on this Santos Rodriquez kid who throws real hard with a pretty devastating slider in winter ball? Have you any update or more info on him?

doublem23
01-04-2013, 10:07 AM
I read an article on this Santos Rodriquez kid who throws real hard with a pretty devastating slider in winter ball? Have you any update or more info on him?

He's a reliever

JB98
01-04-2013, 12:14 PM
I read an article on this Santos Rodriquez kid who throws real hard with a pretty devastating slider in winter ball? Have you any update or more info on him?

Not a candidate for the rotation. But, anytime you've got a left-hander with a high-90s fastball, that's going to get the attention of a manager and a pitching coach. I wouldn't count out Rodriguez contending for a roster spot as a reliever this spring, but I think the Sox are going to need to see better command from him before he gets a big-league opportunity.

He's a big kid, 6-foot-6, so the ball gets on the hitter quickly with his velocity. He's a guy who can present some problems, especially for left-handed hitters, if he throws enough strikes. That's a question mark right now.

Bobby Thigpen
01-04-2013, 12:21 PM
The perk (or drawback, depending on your POV) to being the best
He could easily say no when they ask him to do an interview.