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chisox5967
12-31-2012, 03:17 PM
If you like the '60's era Chisox, you might like my new blog about the 1967 White Sox season and players; as well as sports memorabilia images, stories, player interviews, game used flannel and equipment pics, and more will be added as the months go by.

http://bobmcwhitesox.blogspot.com/

Feel free to add your comments on site. Hope you enjoy.
Happy New Year!
Bob
Go Sox!

LITTLE NELL
12-31-2012, 04:27 PM
Was stationed near West Point NY with the USAF in 1967 but followed them closely that year. Was able to pick up WMAQ and listened to a lot of the games.
What great pitching we had with Horlen, Peters and John leading the staff.
Downfall was they could not hit a lick and it all came to a horrible end the last week when we lost the last 5 games to the 2 worst teams in the A L, the A's and the Senators. Was stationed with a lot of BoSox fans and they went nuts when Boston won on the last day of the season. What a race it was as with a week left to play and any one of 4 teams could have won it.

BainesHOF
01-02-2013, 06:26 PM
Good luck with the blog, Bob! I'll be checking it.

I was born in 1967.

mahagga73
01-05-2013, 12:00 PM
Just got the 67 season for the APBA game ,I'm looking to right the wrong of the Sox not getting it done. It seems like nobody talks about 64 but the Sox were actually only 1 game out from the Yankees that year. A Sox Cardinals series was that close to happening just like in 05.

mahagga73
01-05-2013, 12:02 PM
Was stationed near West Point NY with the USAF in 1967 but followed them very closely that year. Was able to pick up WMAQ and listened to a lot of the games.
What great pitching we had with Horlen, Peters and John leading the staff.
Downfall was they could not hit a lick and it all came to a horrible end the last week when we lost the last 5 games to the 2 worst teams in the A L, the A's and the Senators. Was stationed with a lot of BoSox fans and they went nuts when Boston won on the last day of the season. What a race it was as with a week left to play and any one of 4 teams could have won it.
Nell, you seem to be the old time guru on here so I'll ask you, why was it the Sox could never come up with the hitting they needed? Didn't want to pay for it? bad minor league development?

Lip Man 1
01-05-2013, 12:18 PM
Mahagga:

It's not that the Sox didn't care about hitting or didn't try to get it. Some of the players they thought were going to do very well (Ken Berry immediately comes to mind) never became the hitters they thought they were going to be.

They became good players with exceptional defensive skills for the most part, but just never could hit like other players on other teams.

Also factoring in were the fact that Comiskey Park was not a hitters park by any means and the 'frozen baseballs' in the mid 1960's.

As stated the Sox knew what they were lacking and made serious attempts to get players like Frank Robinson, Yaz and Hawk Harrelson on to the team...to no avail.

I'll return in a minute posting a link to the story I posted that has the details of those 'near misses'

And I agree 1967 was a great year, Stanky almost pulled off a miracle but the 1964 season was better with a better club and a better team.

1964 started to slip away when the Sox lost a double header to the lowly washington Senators who started Bennie Daniels and Dave Stenhouse. Two pitchers with bad records (although Daniels wasn't a bad pitcher...)

Lip

Lip Man 1
01-05-2013, 12:24 PM
Here's the link to the 'what if' story?

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=2&id=3435

Lip

mahagga73
01-05-2013, 12:29 PM
Mahagga:

It's not that the Sox didn't care about hitting or didn't try to get it. Some of the players they thought were going to do very well (Ken Berry immediately comes to mind) never became the hitters they thought they were going to be.

They became good players with exceptional defensive skills for the most part, but just never could hit like other players on other teams.

Also factoring in were the fact that Comiskey Park was not a hitters park by any means and the 'frozen baseballs' in the mid 1960's.

As stated the Sox knew what they were lacking and made serious attempts to get players like Frank Robinson, Yaz and Hawk Harrelson on to the team...to no avail.

I'll return in a minute posting a link to the story I posted that has the details of those 'near misses'

And I agree 1967 was a great year, Stanky almost pulled off a miracle but the 1964 season was better with a better club and a better team.

1964 started to slip away when the Sox lost a double header to the lowly washington Senators who started Bennie Daniels and Dave Stenhouse. Two pitchers with bad records (although Daniels wasn't a bad pitcher...)

Lip
Thanks for the response, I know free agency wasn't there to help back then. Just curious as to why the 64 season gets so little play as a great baseball season when 67 is talked about at naseum. I have my theory, that if the Red Sux didn't win it and the White Sox or another team did, it wouldn't get near the airplay and love it does now. The race in the NL in 64 had 4 teams within a few game also I believe .

SI1020
01-05-2013, 01:20 PM
I actually liked the 64 team more than the 59 pennant winner. What piching depth they had. Unfortunately they lost to the Yankees the first 10 times they played them and that sealed their fate. I hate to say it but the Sox seemed to usually get the lump in the throat when it was time to go up against the Yanks. In a 4 game series in old Comiskey Aug 17-20 the Sox got a measure of revenge and swept the Yanks 4 straight. They were 1/2 game ahead of the Orioles and 4 1/2 in front of the Yanks, who of course righted the ship and went on a September charge. That year was just tough to swallow because the Sox were good enough to make in interesting in the WS. I guess Bob Gibson was fated to begin creating his legendary status against NY.

The 67 team was a mirage to me. I enjoyed the run they had, but never believed they had what it took to go the distance. I thought the Red Sox, Tigers and Twins all had better clubs. It was still a crushing disappointment when they had it in their grasp late but then dropped 5 straight to the 2 AL bottom feeders. I'm looking forward to this blog.

LITTLE NELL
01-05-2013, 01:56 PM
Nell, you seem to be the old time guru on here so I'll ask you, why was it the Sox could never come up with the hitting they needed? Didn't want to pay for it? bad minor league development?

Down through the years the team was built for the vast dimensions of old Comiskey Park, pitching, defense and small ball was the name of the game. Until Bill Melton came along no White Sox player had ever hit more than 29 HRs. The ball was not the lively one that we have now and it's hard to say how much a guy like Mickey Mantle would have fared in Comiskey for 77 games a season. There is no way a guy like Ernie Banks would have hit over 500 homers playing in Comiskey for his whole career.
Management tried some big boppers like trading for Roy Sievers in 1960 but we never could catch the Yankees, they also had pitching and defense but could always beat you with the long ball.
The Sox had a pretty a pretty good farm system in those years, we had rookie of the years with Aparicio, Gary Peters and Tommy Agee. Some other damn good players came up through the system, Landis, Callison, Denny McLain, Horlen, Earl Battey, Don Buford, Carlos May and Melton.
The Comiskey family never had a vast amount of money, if they had, Comiskey Park might still be with us but they were never able to pour money into the park like PK Wrigley did with The Friendly Confines.
Maybe if they had more money they could have had an even better farm system and might have produced a Mantle or Kaline.

LITTLE NELL
01-05-2013, 02:18 PM
I actually liked the 64 team more than the 59 pennant winner. What piching depth they had. Unfortunately they lost to the Yankees the first 10 times they played them and that sealed their fate. I hate to say it but the Sox seemed to usually get the lump in the throat when it was time to go up against the Yanks. In a 4 game series in old Comiskey Aug 17-20 the Sox got a measure of revenge and swept the Yanks 4 straight. They were 1/2 game ahead of the Orioles and 4 1/2 in front of the Yanks, who of course righted the ship and went on a September charge. That year was just tough to swallow because the Sox were good enough to make in interesting in the WS. I guess Bob Gibson was fated to begin creating his legendary status against NY.

The 67 team was a mirage to me. I enjoyed the run they had, but never believed they had what it took to go the distance. I thought the Red Sox, Tigers and Twins all had better clubs. It was still a crushing disappointment when they had it in their grasp late but then dropped 5 straight to the 2 AL bottom feeders. I'm looking forward to this blog.

I'll never forget that 4 game sweep in August of 64, they were all weekday games with 3 night games and a matinee on Thursday. In those days only day games were televised and after listening to the first 3 games on the radio I watched the final game on TV with a friend who was a Cub fan and when the final out was made I almost hit the roof of the living room ceiling and my friend was seeing red as the Sox moved into first place.


PS The 59 team was always my favorite until 2005 came along and only by a little bit, something about boyhood heroes.

BigKlu59
01-05-2013, 03:57 PM
Boyhood memories branded into my brain. Really a great stretch from 63-67 to be a Sox fan in town. The Northside was in a tailspin and the Sox flying among the elite squads of MLB. Pitching and defence were the orders of the day. Not much heavy artillery, so it all came down to fundamentals and mistakes and figernails chewed down to the quick.

64: came down to those 10 losses to the Yanks early in the year. Take 5 of those and the Sox have Vin Scully waxing about Peters and his drop off curve. Phils take a game down the stretch and we'd get to see this kid called 'Richie" Allen... Not to be

67: Looking at the schedule and seeing the Nats and A's and thinking, "Hey, we got a steak on a silver platter", only to taste the bitter bite of burned beans as each game painfully escaped victory was heartbreaking for a kid to say the least. (I should have been ready for it, primed by the High Flying Hawks unheard of early humiliation by those Leafs in April). Yup, 67 a year of very High "High's" and very Low "Lows" in Chicagoland.

BK59

LITTLE NELL
01-05-2013, 04:31 PM
Boyhood memories branded into my brain. Really a great stretch from 63-67 to be a Sox fan in town. The Northside was in a tailspin and the Sox flying among the elite squads of MLB. Pitching and defence were the orders of the day. Not much heavy artillery, so it all came down to fundamentals and mistakes and figernails chewed down to the quick.

64: came down to those 10 losses to the Yanks early in the year. Take 5 of those and the Sox have Vin Scully waxing about Peters and his drop off curve. Phils take a game down the stretch and we'd get to see this kid called 'Richie" Allen... Not to be

67: Looking at the schedule and seeing the Nats and A's and thinking, "Hey, we got a steak on a silver platter", only to taste the bitter bite of burned beans as each game painfully escaped victory was heartbreaking for a kid to say the least. (I should have been ready for it, primed by the High Flying Hawks unheard of early humiliation by those Leafs in April). Yup, 67 a year of very High "High's" and very Low "Lows" in Chicagoland.

BK59

Actually that great stretch started in 1951, 17 straight years of winning baseball.
Every year you knew that the Sox would contend. What made it better is that the Cubs had losing records most of those years and it was a Sox town.

BigKlu59
01-05-2013, 04:54 PM
Actually that great stretch started in 1951, 17 straight years of winning baseball.
Every year you knew that the Sox would contend. What made it better is that the Cubs had losing records most of those years and it was a Sox town.

Thank you for that timeline of historical correction, my distinquished colleague..But alas, in 1951 I was but a thought in the mind of my Pop's at Tuley High on the Nort-side.:D: Didnt comprehend the nuance of Sport till about 61 when family members and friends went bonkers about the Hawks that snowy April day...Hell, in 59 I was hearing about the Sox, but Pop's being a Cubbie fan, kept the propaganda from the Dark side to a minimum. Truthfully, he was "closet" happy for the Sox as it didnt matter who you followed , EVERYBODY HATED THE YANKEES outside of the Bronx. Besides, he was still stinging from that 56 championship loss to the Giants, Gifford, Huff et al...

Anyhoo... For a wee kid as me, between the Hawks and Sox and the Hard Luck Bears, pretty much made the decade of the 60's a fun time to follow sports in Chicago..

BK59

TheVulture
01-05-2013, 06:34 PM
Nell, you seem to be the old time guru on here so I'll ask you, why was it the Sox could never come up with the hitting they needed? Didn't want to pay for it? bad minor league development?

I always wondered why they trotted Tommy McCraw out there to first base so much. This guy would have been a below average hitter at second base, surely they could have at least found a half way decent hitting first basemen. Was this guy Keith Hernandez times ten with the glove or what?

Seems like Ward, Agee, and Berry were all guys that were expected to hit, but they just didn't come through in '67 for whatever reasons. Colavito was brought in to help and flopped as well, but McCraw didn't seem like a guy even expected to be a decent hitter based on the fact he had already established that he wasn't much of a hitter by '67.

Brian26
01-05-2013, 06:39 PM
Just got the 67 season for the APBA game ,I'm looking to right the wrong of the Sox not getting it done.

Do they still sell cards for APBA or is it all online now?

I have a few strat-o-matic seasons. I'm replaying 2005 Sox with as-played lineups. At my pace, it will probably take me 20 years to finish though. :D:

LITTLE NELL
01-05-2013, 07:12 PM
I always wondered why they trotted Tommy McCraw out there to first base so much. This guy would have been a below average hitter at second base, surely they could have at least found a half way decent hitting first basemen. Was this guy Keith Hernandez times ten with the glove or what?

Seems like Ward, Agee, and Berry were all guys that were expected to hit, but they just didn't come through in '67 for whatever reasons. Colavito was brought in to help and flopped as well, but McCraw didn't seem like a guy even expected to be a decent hitter based on the fact he had already established that he wasn't much of a hitter by '67.

Pete Ward was the opening day first baseman but McCraw had an excellent glove. Stanky moved guys all around trying to find a lineup that could hit but to no avail, team BA was .225 but they led the AL in pitching with a .245 ERA. Kenny Boyer was also brought in to help the hitting as was Colovito but their best years were behind them and helped very little.
As I said in a previous post, I was with the Air Force in NY in 67 but saw 1 game while home on leave in May, typical Sox win as they beat the Orioles in extra innings with a seeing eye single by Hansen up the middle in the 11th inning 3-2.

One other note, in 67 and 68 especially in the American League, the hitting was horrible, in 1968 only one player batted .300, that was Yaz as he wound up winning the batting crown with a .301 average. The next year (1969) MLB lowered the height of the mound by 5 inches to help the hitters.

chisox5967
01-06-2013, 09:15 AM
If you have interesting pictures from the 1967 Chicago White Sox baseball season and would enjoy sharing them on the 1967 blog site, you can send images to me along with your caption/story and maybe we can do a post in the blog and feature it.

The blog link is shown in my profile signature. Hope you enjoy it!

Go Sox!
Bob

mahagga73
01-06-2013, 07:42 PM
I always wondered why they trotted Tommy McCraw out there to first base so much. This guy would have been a below average hitter at second base, surely they could have at least found a half way decent hitting first basemen. Was this guy Keith Hernandez times ten with the glove or what?

Seems like Ward, Agee, and Berry were all guys that were expected to hit, but they just didn't come through in '67 for whatever reasons. Colavito was brought in to help and flopped as well, but McCraw didn't seem like a guy even expected to be a decent hitter based on the fact he had already established that he wasn't much of a hitter by '67.
Yeah my uncle's favorite player was Rocky Colavito, had pretty good stats, one of those near hall of famers they talk about like a Vada Pinson or Tommy John. My uncle might be the only kid in america that saved his original ceramic bobblehead collection and still has them in mint condition. He Had Mantle, Mays, the Braves, Sox,Colavito Indians, Whitey Ford on and on. Those things are worth a bit now.

mahagga73
01-06-2013, 07:45 PM
Do they still sell cards for APBA or is it all online now?

I have a few strat-o-matic seasons. I'm replaying 2005 Sox with as-played lineups. At my pace, it will probably take me 20 years to finish though. :D:
you can get them on the bay or the website, 33 bucks a season usually, about the the same as Strat. I like both games, just in an APBA mood right now. Always loved baseball stats and history. The computer stuff is so impersonal to me but you can get them for your PC , baseball seasons that is.

mahagga73
01-06-2013, 07:50 PM
I actually liked the 64 team more than the 59 pennant winner. What piching depth they had. Unfortunately they lost to the Yankees the first 10 times they played them and that sealed their fate. I hate to say it but the Sox seemed to usually get the lump in the throat when it was time to go up against the Yanks. In a 4 game series in old Comiskey Aug 17-20 the Sox got a measure of revenge and swept the Yanks 4 straight. They were 1/2 game ahead of the Orioles and 4 1/2 in front of the Yanks, who of course righted the ship and went on a September charge. That year was just tough to swallow because the Sox were good enough to make in interesting in the WS. I guess Bob Gibson was fated to begin creating his legendary status against NY.

The 67 team was a mirage to me. I enjoyed the run they had, but never believed they had what it took to go the distance. I thought the Red Sox, Tigers and Twins all had better clubs. It was still a crushing disappointment when they had it in their grasp late but then dropped 5 straight to the 2 AL bottom feeders. I'm looking forward to this blog.
sounds like the 2012 season to me. We all hoped they were that good, but knew sooner or later they would probably regress.

chisox5967
01-07-2013, 06:34 PM
I just uploaded a few game action images of White Sox Joel Horlen pitching during an April 22, 1967 game and of nice action shot of John Buzhardt.

Check 'em out if you have a moment.....

Go Sox!
Bob

chisox5967
01-13-2013, 05:52 AM
On April 30, 1967 the Sox began a scintillating 10 game winning streak. Watch for new uploads on winning streak recaps and images.

Go Sox!

Dan H
01-16-2013, 11:55 AM
The amazing thing about the 1967 Sox was that they got as far as they did. Even in the offensively challenged American League back then, the White Sox offense was pathetic. In a way, it was not suprising they blew it in those final games against Kansas City and Washington. Weaknesses eventually cathces up with every team. But the '67 team almost pulled it off, and they did great just be in the hunt during the last week of the season.

chisox5967
01-23-2013, 06:09 PM
Just uploaded a brief game summary of White Sox Jim O'Toole's May 13, 1967 masterful 10 inning 2 hit shutout ...

Included are images of his 1967 game worn jersey. For nostalgic fans, you may want to check it out.

Enjoy!

Go Sox!

LITTLE NELL
01-23-2013, 06:15 PM
I have a copy of the 1967 yearbook. The Sox put out some strange yearbooks in the mid 60s, they were in pocketbook form. I think for a spell they did not even issue yearbooks, just the yearly press guide.

chisox5967
02-10-2013, 11:59 AM
A recent image uploaded to the blog features Joel Horlen on a rare complete Wheaties Cereal box.

Check it out, the entry includes a comparison to Horlen's stats vs Seattle Mariners Fellix Hernandez' stats and ponders what Joel Horlen may have made in the contemporary marketplace....

just click on the link provided in my profile....

Go Sox !

Golden Sox
02-10-2013, 01:45 PM
If the 1967 White Sox had the hitting of the 2012 White Sox, they would of clinched the pennant by Labor Day.

Paulwny
02-11-2013, 11:19 AM
67, The year Stanky was accused of freezing the baseballs to keep the scores low and his comment on Yaz, " an all star from the neck down".

LITTLE NELL
02-11-2013, 02:25 PM
If the 1967 White Sox had the hitting of the 2012 White Sox, they would of clinched the pennant by Labor Day.
If they had the hitting of the worst Sox team ever (1970) they would have clinched by Labor Day.

chisox5967
02-17-2013, 06:23 PM
That's too unreal... 1967 Visitors... (I might just win the lottery!!)

Hey, I just posted 3 cool oldtime game jerseys on my site.
Joel Horlen
Gary Peters
Tommy John (I don't have the TJ any longer...only the pic)

Go Sox !!

chisox5967
03-01-2013, 07:36 PM
This is an over the top exciting happening for this longtime fan of Joel Horlen:

Go Sox !

Brian26
03-01-2013, 08:58 PM
This is an over the top exciting happening for this longtime fan of Joel Horlen:

Go Sox !

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