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SephClone89
12-23-2012, 09:57 AM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/indians-to-sign-nick-swisher.html

They'll roll with an outfield of Brantley, Stubbs, and Swisher.

Not bad--I'm interested to see how the Indians do next year.

The AL Central is looking a little more interesting...

JohnTucker0814
12-23-2012, 10:16 AM
Couldn't happen to a better dude.

samurai_sox
12-23-2012, 10:19 AM
I still think the Sox should have kept Swisher for at least another year.

Wedema
12-23-2012, 10:45 AM
There is no way that I would want Swisher for that type of money.

#1swisher
12-23-2012, 11:26 AM
Ken Rosenthal
Full story on Swisher joining #Indians (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Indians&src=hash), including club's rationale: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/cleveland-indians-nick-swisher-agree-to-four-year-deal-122312 (http://t.co/Bb7flrkH)

Mr. Jinx
12-23-2012, 11:35 AM
I will thoroughly enjoy booing him more often now.

PaleHoser
12-23-2012, 11:38 AM
There is no way that I would want Swisher for that type of money.

I wouldn't want him for free.

It will be interesting to see how his "hey look at me" antics will play out when the club is losing 90+ a year.

SephClone89
12-23-2012, 11:44 AM
There is no way that I would want Swisher for that type of money.

I wouldn't want him for free.

It will be interesting to see how his "hey look at me" antics will play out when the club is losing 90+ a year.

He's obnoxious and I can't stand him, but he's above average both offensively and defensively. A bit of an overpay, but considering how the market's been trending upward, it's not a terrible deal.

slavko
12-23-2012, 11:45 AM
Got our own $56M/4 guy to worry about.

thomas35forever
12-23-2012, 01:41 PM
Sadly, he'll probably hit .350 against us this year to go with about 20 RBIs. Dude is just annoying as Hell and he'll do things like this.

blandman
12-23-2012, 03:01 PM
He still sucks.

CoopaLoop
12-23-2012, 11:18 PM
So a team with the second worst run differential in baseball and 90+ losses just paid a 32 year old 14 million a year for four years. Um, ok.

CoopaLoop
12-23-2012, 11:19 PM
I still think the Sox should have kept Swisher for at least another year.

Yeah buying high and selling extremely low wasn't the best move lol.

Procol Harum
12-24-2012, 09:36 AM
This move may well derail any team maturation and improvement on the shores of Lake Erie--I view it as subtraction by addition.

Golden Sox
12-24-2012, 09:52 AM
I keep being told that small market teams like Cleveland and Pittsburgh don't have the money to compete with the big market teams. Pittsburgh and Cleveland just spent millions of dollars on Liriano and Swisher. Either these teams really are making money or they spend their money foolishly. I wouldn't want either Liriano or Swisher on my team, especially for the type of money they just signed for.

Red Barchetta
12-24-2012, 09:52 AM
I wouldn't want him for free.

It will be interesting to see how his "hey look at me" antics will play out when the club is losing 90+ a year.

The guy so belongs in a Cubs uniform. He was born to be a matinee idol.

LoveYourSuit
12-24-2012, 10:20 AM
He still sucks.


Yeah. A guy who posted OPS:

.869
.870
.823
.837

in 4 seasons for the pressure packed environment which is the New York Yankees. Yeah, he sucks. :rolleyes:

Lip Man 1
12-24-2012, 12:03 PM
Love:

Unfortunately he didn't put up those numbers with the Sox did he? Not saying he was a bad player (he isn't) and in fact he was misused by Ozzie because of circumstances (like Mackowiak) but what pissed off Sox fans and why they will never forgive him is because of the way he acted the last month after the club got Griffey.

As a professional, being paid like a professional, it's reasonable to assume said player will ACT like a professional....not like a spoiled five year old.

Lip

StillMissOzzie
12-24-2012, 07:21 PM
Yeah. A guy who posted OPS:

.869
.870
.823
.837

in 4 seasons for the pressure packed environment which is the New York Yankees. Yeah, he sucks. :rolleyes:

I have always felt that Swisher was the beneficiary of a lot of protection in that Yankee lineup. I also think that Cleveland will have regrets within two years of this contract.

SMO
:gulp:

SephClone89
12-24-2012, 07:48 PM
Love:

Unfortunately he didn't put up those numbers with the Sox did he?

Lip

This is not pertinent to the conversation, though.

TDog
12-25-2012, 01:08 PM
I keep being told that small market teams like Cleveland and Pittsburgh don't have the money to compete with the big market teams. Pittsburgh and Cleveland just spent millions of dollars on Liriano and Swisher. Either these teams really are making money or they spend their money foolishly. I wouldn't want either Liriano or Swisher on my team, especially for the type of money they just signed for.

It's also possible that teams really are making money and are spening their money foolishly.

Swisher benefited from hitting in the Yankees lineup, although he leaves the Yankees at a point where their lineup is more questionable than it's been in a while. It wasn't just the other hitters in the lineup, but it involved a sharp attitude adjustment that comes with playing for the Yankees, which, for a player like Swisher, involves fading into the background.

Swisher made out like a bandit in his Indians contract. I was thinking that whoever signed Swisher this offseason was going to get quite a bit less than expected. Maybe his father's ties to the organization, for whom he managed in the minors many years ago, will make a difference.

Against the White Sox, I would rather see Nick Swisher playing right for the Indians than Sin-Shoo Choo.

blandman
12-26-2012, 02:02 PM
Yeah. A guy who posted OPS:

.869
.870
.823
.837

in 4 seasons for the pressure packed environment which is the New York Yankees. Yeah, he sucks. :rolleyes:

Haha...no, I just plain don't like him. I can't imagine many who are sox fans do. The guy whined and quit on a playoff team.

moochpuppy
12-26-2012, 03:06 PM
Everytime I think we traded away Gio Gonzalez (for a 2nd time) for this asswipe it makes my blood boil! :angry:

CoopaLoop
12-26-2012, 10:54 PM
Everytime I think we traded away Gio Gonzalez (for a 2nd time) for this asswipe it makes my blood boil! :angry:

Much more of a negative on Kenny imo.

palehozenychicty
12-28-2012, 03:43 AM
I keep being told that small market teams like Cleveland and Pittsburgh don't have the money to compete with the big market teams. Pittsburgh and Cleveland just spent millions of dollars on Liriano and Swisher. Either these teams really are making money or they spend their money foolishly. I wouldn't want either Liriano or Swisher on my team, especially for the type of money they just signed for.

It's a little bit of both. KC was a victim of this when they traded Will Myers for Shields. They wouldn't have had to do that if Guthrie and Chen were allowed to walk away.

That being said, Swisher, for all of his antics, is a decent player.

Mohoney
12-29-2012, 01:39 AM
Yeah. A guy who posted OPS:

.869
.870
.823
.837

in 4 seasons for the pressure packed environment which is the New York Yankees. Yeah, he sucks. :rolleyes:

He's not a bad regular season player, but he sure does suck out loud come playoff time.

.169/.283/.305

tstrike2000
12-29-2012, 03:24 PM
Love:

Unfortunately he didn't put up those numbers with the Sox did he? Not saying he was a bad player (he isn't) and in fact he was misused by Ozzie because of circumstances (like Mackowiak) but what pissed off Sox fans and why they will never forgive him is because of the way he acted the last month after the club got Griffey.

As a professional, being paid like a professional, it's reasonable to assume said player will ACT like a professional....not like a spoiled five year old.

Lip

That's pretty much it Lip. He hit very poorly and was benched. You can't fault Ozzie for that, especially when we were in such a tight race for the division in '08. He didn't handle it like a professional.

TheVulture
12-29-2012, 04:20 PM
in fact he was misused by Ozzie because of circumstances

Lip

Ozzie didn't use him much differently than Oakland had used him the previous couple seasons; he played about a quarter of his games at CF and about half the time at the top of the order just like with the Sox. In fact, he actually started more games in center the year before with the A's. Swisher just crapped his pants with the Sox for one reason or another.

Lip Man 1
12-29-2012, 11:28 PM
Swisher never was and never will be a center fielder. Swisher never was and never will be a lead off man. Ozzie misused him but the fault for that lies with Kenny for putting him in that situation in the first place.

When Anderson became a bust, Kenny kept trying everything BUT getting a real life, actual center fielder in the mold of say Curtis Granderson (just as an example...)

Lip

TDog
12-29-2012, 11:56 PM
Ozzie didn't use him much differently than Oakland had used him the previous couple seasons; he played about a quarter of his games at CF and about half the time at the top of the order just like with the Sox. In fact, he actually started more games in center the year before with the A's. Swisher just crapped his pants with the Sox for one reason or another.

Nick Swisher became the regular center fielder, more or less, for the 2007 A's after Mark Kotsay went down. If Swisher had not established himself as a center fielder, I don't know that the White Sox would have traded for him. The trade was made after the Sox failed to sign Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand to play center. Kenny Williams said in the trade-announcement news conference that Swisher was obtained as a center fielder who could play other positions. About two weeks later, the Sox signed Alexei Ramirez, who ended up starting in center on opening day. But Ramirez ended up on the infield. Swisher was the leadoff man becuase he had a strong on-base percentage with the A's, which didn't mean anything because he wasn't leading off for the A's.

The White Sox never should have traded for Swisher. Perhaps if Kotsay had remained healthy, the Sox never would have traded for Swisher. And maybe the A's wouldn't have let Kotsay go.

Irishsox1
01-03-2013, 03:11 PM
Is he allowed to have the number 30 with the Indians? When I met him he referred to himself as Dirty 30.

eriqjaffe
01-03-2013, 03:16 PM
Is he allowed to have the number 30 with the Indians? When I met him he referred to himself as Dirty 30.Chicago was the only place he wore #30.

edit: Looks like he'll be wearing #33.

https://twitter.com/BerniePleskoff/status/286945233281884160

doublem23
01-03-2013, 03:46 PM
Swisher never was and never will be a center fielder. Swisher never was and never will be a lead off man. Ozzie misused him but the fault for that lies with Kenny for putting him in that situation in the first place.


I don't believe Swisher was ever acquired with the intent of being the Sox's everyday CF, as was noted, he was the Opening Day LF in 2008. He was displaced more, IIRC, by the emergence of Carlos Quentin as the everyday LF, which limited Swisher's defensive flexibility

WhiteSox5187
01-03-2013, 05:04 PM
I don't believe Swisher was ever acquired with the intent of being the Sox's everyday CF, as was noted, he was the Opening Day LF in 2008. He was displaced more, IIRC, by the emergence of Carlos Quentin as the everyday LF, which limited Swisher's defensive flexibility

I think you're right that Swisher was brought in to play left but Kenny was saying that he could play anywhere in the outfield. The plan was originally to have Jerry Owens in center with Swisher in left. Owens got hurt early on and I THINK Kenny was the proponent of having him bat leadoff and play center. I think that is when Ozzie said that there is more to lead off than OBP and that caused a bit of brouhaha. I could be wrong.

CoopaLoop
01-03-2013, 06:40 PM
either way, the two Swisher trades were the worst thing Kenny Williams has ever done.

ohiosoxfan
01-04-2013, 09:13 AM
Sounds a lot like winter of 2007-2008 at the press conference in Cleveland. . . wonder how long this euphoria will last??? (I'd say until about June 1.)
http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130103&content_id=40841674&vkey=news_cle&c_id=cle

I gotta believe that the Indians were bidding against themselves in this one. Why would a guy whose wife is a TV actress pick Cleveland unless there weren't any other options?

Foulke You
01-04-2013, 02:20 PM
either way, the two Swisher trades were the worst thing Kenny Williams has ever done.
I'd have to say the Todd Ritchie deal was his worst. Even KW himself admits that was his worst move as GM. The Swisher deals were definitely among his poorest moves though.

doublem23
01-04-2013, 03:22 PM
I'd have to say the Todd Ritchie deal was his worst. Even KW himself admits that was his worst move as GM. The Swisher deals were definitely among his poorest moves though.

I don't know, Ritchie really sucked but at least he didn't cost the Sox anything. Kip Wells, Josh Fogg, and Sean Lowe all had pretty forgettable post-Sox careers. Wells has had the most success putting up a total 1.1 career WAR since the deal spread out over 9 journeyman seasons.

Swisher, Part I cost the Sox Gio who is probably the only guy Williams dealt in his tenure that you can get Sox fans to universally agree we would like to have back. Swisher, Part II netted the Sox absolutely nothing for a guy who put up a .268/.367/.483 slash line over the last 4 years in New York. Adding insult to injury was the fact that in the off-season between 2008 and 2009, the Sox were also dangling Jermaine Dye and supposedly had a deal with the Reds in place before opting to sell low on Nick.

CoopaLoop
01-04-2013, 05:59 PM
I'd have to say the Todd Ritchie deal was his worst. Even KW himself admits that was his worst move as GM. The Swisher deals were definitely among his poorest moves though.

All the Todd Ritchie deal did was give the Pirates a chance to see our prospects fail. You could argue, those guys could have been used in a different deal to get a better player, but the Sox didn't really get burned there.

The Sox gave up Gio Gonzalez for one year of Swisher and then sold him for NOTHING.

They missed out on a huge talent in Gio and had a hot prospect in DLS that could have been used in a different deal.

Just freaking a terrible. That move still makes me angry.

SI1020
01-05-2013, 01:30 PM
I don't know, Ritchie really sucked but at least he didn't cost the Sox anything. Kip Wells, Josh Fogg, and Sean Lowe all had pretty forgettable post-Sox careers. Wells has had the most success putting up a total 1.1 career WAR since the deal spread out over 9 journeyman seasons.

Swisher, Part I cost the Sox Gio who is probably the only guy Williams dealt in his tenure that you can get Sox fans to universally agree we would like to have back. Swisher, Part II netted the Sox absolutely nothing for a guy who put up a .268/.367/.483 slash line over the last 4 years in New York. Adding insult to injury was the fact that in the off-season between 2008 and 2009, the Sox were also dangling Jermaine Dye and supposedly had a deal with the Reds in place before opting to sell low on Nick. Kip Wells was actually pretty good his first 2 years in Pittsburgh, and then of course fell off drastically. In keeping with my excellent record as a talent evaluator I predicted stardom for Wells. I was mad when the Ritchie trade was made, even before Ritchie had that unbelievably horrendous year.

Hitmen77
01-05-2013, 03:23 PM
4/56M sure sounds like a lot for a player like Nick Swisher - especially coming from a small market team.

It might be the Indians spending their money stupidly. But, it may also be a sign that team profits are going up and up and so are salaries.

At least other teams are looking to add MLB quality players to their roster.

I don't know, Ritchie really sucked but at least he didn't cost the Sox anything. Kip Wells, Josh Fogg, and Sean Lowe all had pretty forgettable post-Sox careers. Wells has had the most success putting up a total 1.1 career WAR since the deal spread out over 9 journeyman seasons.

Swisher, Part I cost the Sox Gio who is probably the only guy Williams dealt in his tenure that you can get Sox fans to universally agree we would like to have back. Swisher, Part II netted the Sox absolutely nothing for a guy who put up a .268/.367/.483 slash line over the last 4 years in New York. Adding insult to injury was the fact that in the off-season between 2008 and 2009, the Sox were also dangling Jermaine Dye and supposedly had a deal with the Reds in place before opting to sell low on Nick.

That's probably as much a condemnation of the talent level in the Sox system over the past 10 years as it is a kudos to KW for not giving up any other good players during his tenure.

I agree that the Swisher trade with the A's was worse than the Todd Ritchie trade.

palehozenychicty
01-06-2013, 01:17 AM
4/56M sure sounds like a lot for a player like Nick Swisher - especially coming from a small market team.

It might be the Indians spending their money stupidly. But, it may also be a sign that team profits are going up and up and so are salaries.

At least other teams are looking to add MLB quality players to their roster.



That's probably as much a condemnation of the talent level in the Sox system over the past 10 years as it is a kudos to KW for not giving up any other good players during his tenure.

I agree that the Swisher trade with the A's was worse than the Todd Ritchie trade.


This is a key point which I'm surprised that nobody here has brought up. Teams are flush with cash, but not spending as much as soon. It's probably because they know that more players are hitting the open market later on before spring training and during the early part of the season. Why rush? i can't blame them.

Tragg
01-06-2013, 08:53 AM
I don't believe Swisher was ever acquired with the intent of being the Sox's everyday CF, as was noted, he was the Opening Day LF in 2008. He was displaced more, IIRC, by the emergence of Carlos Quentin as the everyday LF, which limited Swisher's defensive flexibility

Guillen, and that keen eye for talent, had it in his mind that Jerry Owens was a ML center fielder and lead-off hitter. Swisher would play left. Quentin - Guillen pencilled him in for Charlotte.
Owens got hurt, and Guillen messed around with TCM in center for a couple of games. Swisher was put there by default.
But also by default, he was cast as leadoff hitter.
Swisher is a good hitter - really a quality #6 or so with good power and on base skills. The Sox needed him to play roles which were not his strength.

WhiteSox5187
01-06-2013, 01:10 PM
Guillen, and that keen eye for talent, had it in his mind that Jerry Owens was a ML center fielder and lead-off hitter. Swisher would play left. Quentin - Guillen pencilled him in for Charlotte.
Owens got hurt, and Guillen messed around with TCM in center for a couple of games. Swisher was put there by default.
But also by default, he was cast as leadoff hitter.
Swisher is a good hitter - really a quality #6 or so with good power and on base skills. The Sox needed him to play roles which were not his strength.

Kenny was a big believer in Jerry Owens too. At SoxFest after the 2007 season when Kenny failed to acquire a CF (after announcing his plan 1, plan 1a, etc) said that Jerry Owens was a "fantastic" center fielder and was the leadoff man "for the foreseeable future."