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Domeshot17
12-20-2012, 09:39 AM
4 years - 52 mil, its on ESPN.Com

I liked Jackson, but thats a lot of money for him.

DeadMoney
12-20-2012, 09:44 AM
4 years - 52 mil, its on ESPN.Com

I liked Jackson, but thats a lot of money for him.

Sure is.

But... we now have a price tag on what Floyd will cost next year (if we still have him). Although, with an extra year on his arm the total could come down a tad:

Jackson -
70-71 Career, 29 Years Old
162 Avgs: 11-11 4.40 ERA 197 IP 22 HR 150 K 77 BB 1.43 WHIP
Floyd -
70-66 Career, 29 Years Old
162 Avgs: 13-12 4.46 ERA 204 IP 26 HR 159 K 68 BB 1.33 WHIP

doublem23
12-20-2012, 09:52 AM
I don't know what they're doing

Rocky Soprano
12-20-2012, 10:05 AM
How much longer until another team comes in and steals him away?
That would be hilarious.

johnnyg83
12-20-2012, 10:12 AM
I would say they're signing him now to trade for prospects in July, but is 4 years necessary?

Maybe that kind of control is attractive to a potential trader.

eriqjaffe
12-20-2012, 10:25 AM
Edwin Jackson might get a contract longer than 1 year? THE MAYANS WERE RIGHT!

doublem23
12-20-2012, 10:31 AM
Maybe that kind of control is attractive to a potential trader.

Not for anyone whose been paying attention to Edwin Jackson's career.

Maybe they'll get a haul for him in July 2016.

Foulke You
12-20-2012, 10:40 AM
I don't know what they're doing
It's very odd. Why lock up an innings eater type pitcher to big dollars this year when the team is going to lose 90-100 games again? Unless maybe they are going to go spend crazy next offseason and want to have him locked up now? Don't really understand this one. Congrats to Edwin though for finally getting his long term contract.



But... we now have a price tag on what Floyd will cost next year (if we still have him). Although, with an extra year on his arm the total could come down a tad:

Jackson -70-71 Career, 29 Years Old
162 Avgs: 11-11 4.40 ERA 197 IP 22 HR 150 K 77 BB 1.43 WHIPFloyd -70-66 Career, 29 Years Old
162 Avgs: 13-12 4.46 ERA 204 IP 26 HR 159 K 68 BB 1.33 WHIP
Wow...they aren't just similar, they are almost the exact same pitcher. I'm sure Floyd's agent is going to use that as a base whenever Gavin hits free agency.

kittle42
12-20-2012, 10:43 AM
Edwin Jackson's quest to play for every team continues.

I have no clue what the mighty Theo is doing here. If Edwin Jackson is part of your long-term plans, it is time to change your long-term plans.

DeadMoney
12-20-2012, 12:49 PM
Wow...they aren't just similar, they are almost the exact same pitcher. I'm sure Floyd's agent is going to use that as a base whenever Gavin hits free agency.

If you want to throw one more pitcher (with very, very similar stats to both of those guys) into that mix, let's look at fellow FA Joe Saunders:

Saunders -
78-65 Career, 31 Years Old
162 Avgs: 14-12 4.15 ERA 209 IP 26 HR 119 K 64 BB 1.36 WHIP

It'll be very interesting to see what he gets this off season to see just how much the Cubs would be overpaying (if this 4/$52M is accurate/true) and as a closer guide to what Floyd might/could get.

Oblong
12-20-2012, 12:56 PM
Jackson always intrigued me because he got moved so much. He's one of those guys that was attractive to other teams but not so good that you'd consider him an untouchable. If you had other good starters then he was a valuable chip to move.

seventyseven
12-20-2012, 01:03 PM
The only thing you can be sure of with Jackson is that on any given night, you have no idea what you're going to get.

Yeah, 4 years $52M sounds about right.

:fail:

doublem23
12-20-2012, 01:16 PM
Jackson always intrigued me because he got moved so much. He's one of those guys that was attractive to other teams but not so good that you'd consider him an untouchable. If you had other good starters then he was a valuable chip to move.

Having spent about 1 season with Edwin over the course of 2 years, I can tell you he is one of those pitchers that absolutely dazzles you when he's on but frustrates the living hell out of you when he's not. It's very evident to me why pitching coaches salivate at the opportunity to work with him but throw their hands up in the air after a few months and look to the next project.

TheVulture
12-20-2012, 01:49 PM
Wow...they aren't just similar, they are almost the exact same pitcher. I'm sure Floyd's agent is going to use that as a base whenever Gavin hits free agency.

One difference is Jackson has put up better numbers since 2009.

Floyd: 4.20 ERA, average 185.5 IP/year

Jackson:3.98 ERA, 203 IP/year

SoxSpeed22
12-20-2012, 02:34 PM
Official now.
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal) Sources: #Cubs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Cubs&src=hash), free-agent RHP Edwin Jackson agree on four-year, $52M deal, pending physical. First reported by @CSNMooney (https://twitter.com/CSNMooney)
Details (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/281857859082403841) (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/281857859082403841)

PaleHoser
12-20-2012, 02:49 PM
he is one of those pitchers that absolutely dazzles you when he's on but frustrates the living hell out of you when he's not.

Sounds like Gavin Floyd.

thomas35forever
12-20-2012, 02:50 PM
Wish I could be paid that much to be mediocre at my job.

Chez
12-20-2012, 03:10 PM
I can't read or hear Edwin Jackson's name without flashing back to Khan's Epic Rants about Jackson's "boat-anchor salary."

Noneck
12-20-2012, 03:15 PM
There has to be a reason why hes been on 8 teams since 2008. I think it makes sense that the team with the boy genius locked him up.

kittle42
12-20-2012, 03:25 PM
There has to be a reason why hes been on 8 teams since 2008. I think it makes sense that the team with the boy genius locked him up.

He'll be on three more by the end of this contract.

Noneck
12-20-2012, 03:28 PM
He'll be on three more by the end of this contract.


I dont know, thats a nice chunk of change owed to him.

cws05champ
12-20-2012, 03:46 PM
Well, I guess we'll see Daniel Hudson traded to the Cubs for Jackson July 2014. :scratch:

Foulke You
12-20-2012, 04:26 PM
Sounds like Gavin Floyd.
Yep. They aren't just similar in stats, but also the ability to frustrate. Both Gavin and Edwin have front of the rotation "stuff" but neither has the consistency to put it all together for an entire year. With Gavin, he lives and dies with his curveball. With Edwin, it was his splitter that he needed to locate in order to succeed. Neither pitcher can overcome a start where they don't have command of their bread and butter pitch.

I can't read or hear Edwin Jackson's name without flashing back to Khan's Epic Rants about Jackson's "boat-anchor salary."
I remember those rants well. It's as if Edwin Jackson ran over the Khan family dog with his sports car or something.

RadioheadRocks
12-20-2012, 10:36 PM
There has to be a reason why hes been on 8 teams since 2008. I think it makes sense that the team with the boy genius locked him up.

And there, ladies and gentlemen, is the only real significant difference between Jackson and Floyd.

DumpJerry
12-20-2012, 10:44 PM
I thought they sacked Hendry.

StillMissOzzie
12-21-2012, 12:57 AM
I thought they sacked Hendry.

Yeah, but he left the checkbook behind.

SMO
:D:

LoveYourSuit
12-21-2012, 09:43 AM
I don't why but I'm a sucker for strikeout pitchers and pitchers who throw hard.

Loved Edwin Jackson and Javier Vazquez for those reasons, despite getting average results in the end.

TheVulture
12-21-2012, 12:23 PM
I don't why but I'm a sucker for strikeout pitchers and pitchers who throw hard.

Loved Edwin Jackson and Javier Vazquez for those reasons, despite getting average results in the end.

Jackson posted a 3.66 ERA with the Sox, and Vasquez had probably the best season by a Sox pitcher in the last 25 years. If that's average, I'll take it.

eriqjaffe
12-21-2012, 12:38 PM
Vasquez had probably the best season by a Sox pitcher in the last 25 years.Esteban Loaiza begs to differ.

Mr. Jinx
12-21-2012, 03:16 PM
Esteban Loaiza begs to differ.

So does Chris Sale.

eriqjaffe
12-21-2012, 03:34 PM
So does Chris Sale.And Jack McDowell.

SoxSpeed22
12-21-2012, 04:28 PM
And Mark Buehrle.

TheVulture
12-21-2012, 05:37 PM
Esteban Loaiza begs to differ.

I feel like a dumb ass, I was actually thinking of Loaiza. :redface:

TaylorStSox
12-21-2012, 07:05 PM
And Jose Contreras?

cws05champ
12-22-2012, 09:05 AM
And Jose Contreras?

Best 2nd half and postseason...yes.

Mr. Jinx
12-22-2012, 12:31 PM
And Mark Buehrle.


And Dewayne Wise.

sullythered
12-22-2012, 10:05 PM
While we're on it, Jon Garland can throw his hat in that ring, too. That '05 rotation was silly.

JoeYoung
01-13-2013, 12:28 PM
It's the main reason they won the Series that year, the next being the shutdown, lights out bullpen.

LoveYourSuit
01-14-2013, 03:14 PM
It's the main reason they won the Series that year, the next being the shutdown, lights out bullpen.

I disagree on that.

They used 3 closers that year and Cotts + Polite were the only reliable arms night in and night out.

Those 3 closers all had shaky moments throughout the year. Shingo was bad. Hermanson had a bad back. Jenks was a rookie who actually blew a save in the WS.

All the credit to me goes on that starting staff. They carried that team to a Championship.

SI1020
01-14-2013, 03:50 PM
I disagree on that.

They used 3 closers that year and Cotts + Polite were the only reliable arms night in and night out.

Those 3 closers all had shaky moments throughout the year. Shingo was bad. Hermanson had a bad back. Jenks was a rookie who actually blew a save in the WS.

All the credit to me goes on that starting staff. They carried that team to a Championship. JoeYoung is correct about the bullpen. It was an outstanding lockdown bullpen the likes of which we haven't seen since then. Just look at the stats.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2005.shtml

Bob Roarman
01-14-2013, 04:39 PM
I disagree on that.

They used 3 closers that year and Cotts + Polite were the only reliable arms night in and night out.

Those 3 closers all had shaky moments throughout the year. Shingo was bad. Hermanson had a bad back. Jenks was a rookie who actually blew a save in the WS.

All the credit to me goes on that starting staff. They carried that team to a Championship.

Noooo, no, no, no my friend. Even if we go with just Neal Cotts and Cliff Polittte being "dependable" that year, that's 2 guys that posted sub .200 batting averages against, pitching at least 60 innings each. A handful of players do that every season. Teams would love to have ONE guy do that, just one. And that being their best reliever, which is usually their closer if anyone. The Mariano Rivera's of the league. But to have that be middle relief? And to have TWO of them do that in the same season? Quite a luxury.

Especially in the case with Cotts that season. It could be that maybe his stat line is bolstered by dominating lefties, but it's not. He pitched very well against them, but you could argue he pitched even more effectively against righties, and actually faced more righties than lefties. That season, it didn't matter, you could throw him out there against basically anyone.

Overall, the White Sox relievers allowed the 2nd lowest percentage of inherited runners to score. All while having the 6th most games where a reliever entered the game with runners on base. They were huge that year.

Tragg
01-14-2013, 08:50 PM
Jenks was a rookie who actually blew a save in the WS.


Jenks was awesome that year. No one is perfect. As it is that save was blown on a doink hit. And that doink hit only scored the tying run because it was hit to Podsednik.

Falstaff
01-28-2013, 01:49 AM
One difference is Jackson has put up better numbers since 2009.

Floyd: 4.20 ERA, average 185.5 IP/year

Jackson:3.98 ERA, 203 IP/year

Also Jackson has completed a no-hitter. Speaks to just how brilliant his flashes of brilliance can be. Remember, their is no "i" in "team" but there is a "win" in Edwin.

HomeFish
01-28-2013, 09:57 AM
Edwin Jackson had a losing record last year on a team that won 90+ games and the NL East.

In both Chicago and Washington I tried hard, very hard, to like Edwin Jackson. I am probably in the 95th percentile in terms of how hard I've tried to like Edwin Jackson. But the consistency just really isn't there: I've given up on it recently.

eriqjaffe
01-28-2013, 10:59 AM
Also Jackson has completed a no-hitter. Speaks to just how brilliant his flashes of brilliance can be. Remember, their is no "i" in "team" but there is a "win" in Edwin.It was probably one of the ugliest no-hitters in baseball history, what with the wild pitch, hit-by-pitch, 8 walks, and all.

asindc
01-28-2013, 11:48 AM
Edwin Jackson had a losing record last year on a team that won 90+ games and the NL East.

In both Chicago and Washington I tried hard, very hard, to like Edwin Jackson. I am probably in the 95th percentile in terms of how hard I've tried to like Edwin Jackson. But the consistency just really isn't there: I've given up on it recently.

I have a similar assessment. The consistency really is the problem, and I don't think he'll ever get it at this point. He really should be a strong #2 on a contending team, but he can't focus more than 2-3 starts in a row it seems.

Falstaff
01-29-2013, 05:05 AM
It was probably one of the ugliest no-hitters in baseball history, what with the wild pitch, hit-by-pitch, 8 walks, and all.
That is what they call "ugly brilliant". Some players don't even have that.

Mohoney
01-29-2013, 08:03 PM
It was probably one of the ugliest no-hitters in baseball history, what with the wild pitch, hit-by-pitch, 8 walks, and all.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SDN/SDN197006121.shtml

WhiteSox5187
01-29-2013, 08:12 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SDN/SDN197006121.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TBA/TBA201006250.shtml

It's the same line except Ellis didn't throw a wild pitch...and Jackson wasn't on acid.

Mohoney
01-29-2013, 11:08 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TBA/TBA201006250.shtml

It's the same line except Ellis didn't throw a wild pitch...and Jackson wasn't on acid.

Eerie, isn't it?

DSpivack
01-29-2013, 11:15 PM
AJ Burnett one-upped them in his 2001 no-no, with 9 BBs.

Falstaff
01-30-2013, 01:36 AM
Sure is.

But... we now have a price tag on what Floyd will cost next year (if we still have him). Although, with an extra year on his arm the total could come down a tad:

Jackson - 70-71 Career, 29 Years Old
162 Avgs: 11-11 4.40 ERA 197 IP 22 HR 150 K 77 BB 1.43 WHIPFloyd - 70-66 Career, 29 Years Old
162 Avgs: 13-12 4.46 ERA 204 IP 26 HR 159 K 68 BB 1.33 WHIP
I am intrigued by these comparisons. I looked up Nolan Ryan , another hard throwing stud with control issues, who did make a name for himself in MLB history BTW. At a similar point in his career, Nolan Ryan was
69-70 Career at age 26 , and after 7 seasons averaged 160.1 innings per year. (lifetime 162 game average 14-13, 3.19era, 232 innings)
So there you have it, maybe the Cubs are aware of this similarity and see a long hard throwing future for Edwin. If he turns out to be Nolan Ryan Jr, that would be a steal! Also Ryan threw some ugly no-hitters, lots of walks too.

TheVulture
01-30-2013, 05:28 PM
I am intrigued by these comparisons. I looked up Nolan Ryan , another hard throwing stud with control issues, who did make a name for himself in MLB history BTW. At a similar point in his career, Nolan Ryan was
69-70 Career at age 26 , and after 7 seasons averaged 160.1 innings per year. (lifetime 162 game average 14-13, 3.19era, 232 innings)
So there you have it, maybe the Cubs are aware of this similarity and see a long hard throwing future for Edwin. If he turns out to be Nolan Ryan Jr, that would be a steal! Also Ryan threw some ugly no-hitters, lots of walks too.

Nolan Ryan actually had more complete game no hitters than complete games with no walks. Prior to 1988 he had only one complete game with no walks before doing it back to back in September of that year.