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Foulke You
12-06-2012, 04:56 PM
So they trade Span and now Revere. Cupboard is pretty bare in that Twinkee outfield now:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/phillies-acquire-ben-revere.html

PaleHoser
12-06-2012, 05:03 PM
I'm surprised they moved both Span and Revere in the same off-season. I'd rather have Span, but they seem to have received a better return on Revere.

TheVulture
12-06-2012, 05:45 PM
I'd rather have Span, but they seem to have received a better return on Revere.

Revere isn't eligible for arbitration for two more years while Span is signed for 2/11.25 million; that might have something to do with it.

BTW, I noticed a Twin fan commented on the Span story that getting rid of Span was an absolute must for the off-season, any idea why?

DumpJerry
12-06-2012, 06:36 PM
BTW, I noticed a Twin fan commented on the Span story that getting rid of Span was an absolute must for the off-season, any idea why?
They feel bad for what he has done to White Sox pitching.

BleacherBandit
12-06-2012, 06:42 PM
Pitching, pitching, pitching. That's what the Twins must correct first.

I'm living in St. Paul and went to six or seven Twins games this past summer (three when the Sox were in town). Almost every starting pitcher was some no-name interloper with no long-term prospect.

The Twins must have some serviceable, swift outfielders who can hit around .250 in their minor leagues. Seems like they always do.

kittle42
12-06-2012, 06:44 PM
BTW, I noticed a Twin fan commented on the Span story that getting rid of Span was an absolute must for the off-season, any idea why?

I wanted to say, "because he is not that good," but I don't believe that.

Maybe it's because, per "Most similar batters" on baseball-reference.com, he should have been playing in the early 20th century!



Mel Almada (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/almadme01.shtml) (967)
Hersh Martin (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martihe01.shtml) (965)
Jigger Statz (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/statzji01.shtml) (963)
Heinie Mueller (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/muellhe01.shtml) (961)
Alex Metzler (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/metzlal01.shtml) (954)
Walton Cruise (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cruiswa01.shtml) (953)
Mike Menosky (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/menosmi01.shtml) (951)
Goody Rosen (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rosengo01.shtml) (951)
Homer Smoot (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/smootho01.shtml) (951)
Quinton McCracken (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mccraqu01.shtml) (949)

DumpJerry
12-06-2012, 06:53 PM
I wanted to say, "because he is not that good," but I don't believe that.

Maybe it's because, per "Most similar batters" on baseball-reference.com, he should have been playing in the early 20th century!



Mel Almada (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/almadme01.shtml) (967)
Hersh Martin (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martihe01.shtml) (965)
Jigger Statz (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/statzji01.shtml) (963)
Heinie Mueller (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/muellhe01.shtml) (961)
Alex Metzler (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/metzlal01.shtml) (954)
Walton Cruise (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cruiswa01.shtml) (953)
Mike Menosky (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/menosmi01.shtml) (951)
Goody Rosen (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rosengo01.shtml) (951)
Homer Smoot (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/smootho01.shtml) (951)
Quinton McCracken (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mccraqu01.shtml) (949)


Um......didn't Theo inquire about Homer Smoot recently? He must have something.

SoxSpeed22
12-06-2012, 07:52 PM
The Twins are starved for starting pitching, but Revere is an awfully steep price. I wonder if that means that they will fast-track Buxton. Worley should be a solid pitcher for them.
This is a nice trade for the Phils, Revere can patrol center field for them. They needed to get younger and faster and did so with this trade.

SephClone89
12-06-2012, 08:19 PM
A Twins fan in my teacher ed program once claimed that Revere was "the best young talent in the Midwest."

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-06-2012, 09:13 PM
A Twins fan in my teacher ed program once claimed that Revere was "the best young talent in the Midwest."

I would have countered with two words.

"Chris Sale."

SephClone89
12-06-2012, 10:01 PM
A Twins fan in my teacher ed program once claimed that Revere was "the best young talent in the Midwest."

I would have countered with two words.

"Chris Sale."

He wasn't even the best young centerfielder in his division. Arguably not even the second best young centerfielder in his division.

Foulke You
12-07-2012, 01:17 AM
He wasn't even the best young centerfielder in his division. Arguably not even the second best young centerfielder in his division.
I'd definitely rank Michael Brantley ahead of Revere. Austin Jackson #1. If you include De Aza in the "young centerfielder" discussion, Revere probably slides to 4th best in the division.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-07-2012, 01:31 AM
I'd definitely rank Michael Brantley ahead of Revere. Austin Jackson #1. If you include De Aza in the "young centerfielder" discussion, Revere probably slides to 4th best in the division.

Isn't De Aza near 30, if he isn't already?

SephClone89
12-07-2012, 06:43 AM
I'd definitely rank Michael Brantley ahead of Revere. Austin Jackson #1.

Yes and yes.

doublem23
12-07-2012, 09:03 AM
Isn't De Aza near 30, if he isn't already?

He's going to be 29 this season

palehosepub
12-07-2012, 10:05 AM
I dont understand what Minny is doing but I like it from a Sox perspective. They draw 3 million fans and they operate like the Pirates. You would think they would spend some $ on a free agent pitcher. Twinkees appear to be a lock for 5th place in 2013.

Chez
12-07-2012, 12:31 PM
I'd definitely rank Michael Brantley ahead of Revere. Austin Jackson #1. If you include De Aza in the "young centerfielder" discussion, Revere probably slides to 4th best in the division.


I think if Minnesota had offered Revere to the Sox for De Aza, Hahn would have taken that deal in a heartbeat. Don't you?

doublem23
12-07-2012, 12:44 PM
I think if Minnesota had offered Revere to the Sox for De Aza, Hahn would have taken that deal in a heartbeat. Don't you?

Trade value doesn't necessarily equal actual value. Right now, I could probably count the number of pitchers I would trade Chris Sale for straight up on one hand, but that doesn't mean there's only 3-4 guys in the world I would start ahead of him if the Sox were playing Game 7 of the World Series today.

Chez
12-07-2012, 12:59 PM
Trade value doesn't necessarily equal actual value. Right now, I could probably count the number of pitchers I would trade Chris Sale for straight up on one hand, but that doesn't mean there's only 3-4 guys in the world I would start ahead of him if the Sox were playing Game 7 of the World Series today.

Yes, but the point I was trying to make is that Revere is better than De Aza.

doublem23
12-07-2012, 01:06 PM
Yes, but the point I was trying to make is that Revere is better than De Aza.

You think so? The long term potential is obviously greater for Revere than De Aza but if we're talking RIGHT NOW, I don't know if it's that clear cut

Nellie_Fox
12-07-2012, 02:36 PM
I dont understand what Minny is doing but I like it from a Sox perspective. They draw 3 million fans and they operate like the Pirates. You would think they would spend some $ on a free agent pitcher. Twinkees appear to be a lock for 5th place in 2013.There's more to team revenue than box office receipts. I've been told that the Twins' total broadcasting revenue (radio and TV combined) are less than the Yankees' radio contract alone.

Ryan is back in charge of the front office, and apparently feels the need to re-tool.

ma-gaga
12-10-2012, 01:36 AM
It's goofy, but I like this deal much better than the Span deal. Revere is nice, but always seemed a little too over-hyped. Hell of a defensive player though.

I guess we'll see if Hicks can handle the pressure. He's the man.

ComiskeyBrewer
12-10-2012, 02:11 AM
There's more to team revenue than box office receipts. I've been told that the Twins' total broadcasting revenue (radio and TV combined) are less than the Yankees' radio contract alone.

Ryan is back in charge of the front office, and apparently feels the need to re-tool.

Yep, all the real money is in TV and Radio.

Foulke You
12-10-2012, 12:26 PM
Yes, but the point I was trying to make is that Revere is better than De Aza.
At this moment, De Aza is a better player. He pretty much does everything Revere does but hits for way more power. Gotta give an edge to Revere in speed and defense however, it's not like De Aza is a slouch in those two categories. Upside and youth go to Revere but if you are asking who is the better player right now, it is definitely De Aza. Also, the original point of my post was to counter the Twins fan who said Revere was the "best young talent in the midwest". Last season, Revere was only the 3rd best young CF in the AL Central and 4th best CF overall.


De Aza 2012 Stats:
.281 avg
9 HRs
50 RBI
29 Doubles
6 Triples
26 Stolen Bases
147 Hits
81 Runs scored
.760 OPS

Ben Revere 2012 Stats:
.294 avg
0 HRs
32 RBI
13 Doubles
6 Triples
40 Stolen Bases
150 Hits
70 Runs scored
.675 OPS

Deadguy
12-16-2012, 01:04 PM
So they trade Span and now Revere. Cupboard is pretty bare in that Twinkee outfield now:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/phillies-acquire-ben-revere.html

They are probably making room for Hicks.

For the life of me I can't understand why Hicks gets rated so high every year. He just hasn't produced at all in the Minors, yet he's always considered a Top 100 prospect. He's not that young anymore either.

I think the Twins long term have some nice looking players that could end up in the outfield (Buxton, Adam Brett Walker), but those guys are years away.

I thought they got rid of Span to make room for Revere, which makes this move very puzzling :scratch: