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gosox41
11-04-2012, 10:57 PM
---I'm aware it's a long off season but having read Hahn's early comments about bringing back AJ and Youk, I am beginning to wonder if these are the right moves. The team won 85 games last year with this team. Outside of hopefully adding Danks back into the mix, I don't see how this puts the team over the top.

Of course I'm assuming that bringing the two of them back eats up most of the Sox remaining budget thus leaving little room to improve the bench or bullpen. These guys are past their primes. And I also know the FA Class is thin and thus most of the players will be over paid.

AJ will be 37 next year and is coming of a career year, in which he faded terribly in Sept. Youk had a great first 3 weeks with us, but I'm not impressed by the numbers he put up. He didn't exactly like the world on fire in September. A healthy Brent Morel (a big question mark) could hit better then .240, give you the 15-20 HR's Youk would give you play better D.

And what is the gap in numbers of Tyler Flowers versus an aging AJ? I always have doubts about players having their best years in their free agent years. It's hard to judge Tyler by last year as he didn't play more then 2-3 games in a week. But I am confident in saying AJ won't produce in 2013 like he did in 2012.

Why not give the job to Flowers or go after Mike Napoli? As for 3B, Mark Reynolds is available. While we don't need another slow, high strike out, power hitter is his offense that much worse then Youk's?

---Does anyone else think the Sox will trade Floyd? I'm betting he's not on the opening day roster. Trading him could solve one the problems listed above, but on the flipside we can go from 6 to 4 starters pretty quickly.

---I am fine with trading Dunn or Rios if it 1. fills a hole or two right away for 2013, and 2. we can then use the money to strengthen the bullpen or bench. Can Rios have two solid seasons in a row?

---2013 is the last chance for Gordo. If he doesn't hit (and he did turn it on this September) I think it's time to say adios or at make him your super utility player.

---Lastly, I think the Sox need to find a closer or back up closer. I'm hoping Addison Reed grows into the role but he makes things way to close right now. Feel free to have some 1-2-3 innings once in awhile.


Bob

TDog
11-04-2012, 11:08 PM
... As for 3B, Mark Reynolds is available. While we don't need another slow, high strike out, power hitter is his offense that much worse then Youk's? ...

The short answer is yes.

cards press box
11-05-2012, 01:40 AM
Does anyone else think the Sox will trade Floyd? I'm betting he's not on the opening day roster. Trading him could solve one the problems listed above, but on the flipside we can go from 6 to 4 starters pretty quickly. Bob

According to this article (http://www.sfgate.com/athletics/article/4-A-s-free-agents-now-free-to-go-4005094.php) from the San Francisco Chronicle, the Sox might have some interest in A's free agent Brandon McCarthy. If the Sox were to sign McCarthy, I could see the Sox dealing Floyd to address some other need.

At the end of the season, Floyd did look awfully good. But we have seen good stretches from Floyd before. It is not clear whether he can have sustained success.

guillensdisciple
11-05-2012, 08:24 AM
What's that saying about repeating the same thing that hasn't worked multiple times?

Ye, apply that here.

Noneck
11-05-2012, 08:43 AM
What's that saying about repeating the same thing that hasn't worked multiple times?

Ye, apply that here.

If at first you dont succeed, try, try again?

Golden Sox
11-05-2012, 08:49 AM
The White Sox only finished a few games behind the Tigers in 2012. If we upgrade the team a bit this offseason I don't see why we can't get into the playoffs in 2013. I hope that Dunn is not with the team. If we can get a third baseman for him I would move him in a heartbeat. I'm much more upbeat about the 2013 season than what I was last year at this time. I didn't expect the White Sox to contend in 2012 like they did. If we add a few pieces we can have a successful 2013.

russ99
11-05-2012, 09:18 AM
With the flexibility the Sox have on the starting pitching staff (5 good starters, and a few promising arms in the minors) and a young capable bullpen, I'd really like to see Hahn be proactive this year in trades and a few relatively inexpensive free agents.

Regardless of the success we had this year, the core of the team is getting older and some of them are flawed hitters. I wouldn't be averse to deal one or two and bring in some quality young talent at positions of need.

IMO, the worst path the Sox can follow is bring back the primarily same team as last year and plug Flowers in at C and Morel in at 3B, which only further weakens our poor situational/pressure hitting offense.

Another big issue is getting a capable bench. It would be nice to have guys that Robin can put in a day or two each week and not have our main players wear down in September.

Rocky Soprano
11-05-2012, 09:34 AM
The White Sox only finished a few games behind the Tigers in 2012. If we upgrade the team a bit this offseason I don't see why we can't get into the playoffs in 2013. I hope that Dunn is not with the team. If we can get a third baseman for him I would move him in a heartbeat. I'm much more upbeat about the 2013 season than what I was last year at this time. I didn't expect the White Sox to contend in 2012 like they did. If we add a few pieces we can have a successful 2013.

The Tigers were underachievers the entire season and still won the division by a few games. Can we expect them to underachieve next season? We also don't know if they make any moves to improve their team.

The Sox need to decide if they are going to try and win now or start building towards the future.

aryzner
11-05-2012, 10:00 AM
I agree that the Tigers underachieved for most of (if not all of) the regular season. I am admittedly concerned about the Sox' chances in 2013. The Tigers have some pretty solid starting pitching and I am assuming right now that Victor Martinez will return and be very good for their lineup.

I am somewhat satisfied with the Sox' rotation in 2013, but the lineup holes are glaring. I am hoping that Sale and Quintana's experience this season will help them go deep into next year without the obvious tired arms they were showing in 2012. Hopefully Peavy can continue this year's success and if Danks can return to form, the White Sox will have quite a formidable rotation.

It's the hitting I'm worried about.

But, it's only November. You never know what can happen and what players the Sox will end up with to start the season.

Lip Man 1
11-05-2012, 11:14 AM
I'd be surprised if Floyd wasn't traded myself as part of a deal for a 3rd baseman.

Lip

JB98
11-05-2012, 12:18 PM
What's that saying about repeating the same thing that hasn't worked multiple times?

Ye, apply that here.

I don't see what options the Sox have other than to add to the core that is already in place.

They have several veteran players with contracts that are tough to trade. They have little MLB-ready talent in the minor leagues.

Even if they wanted to overhaul the roster this offseason, I don't think they could.

JB98
11-05-2012, 12:20 PM
The Tigers were underachievers the entire season and still won the division by a few games. Can we expect them to underachieve next season? We also don't know if they make any moves to improve their team.

The Sox need to decide if they are going to try and win now or start building towards the future.

I think that decision has been made. The investment in Peavy is a clear sign the Sox are trying to win now. Whether they will be successful is an open question, but this is not going to be an offseason where the Sox starting looking toward 2015.

mahagga73
11-05-2012, 12:46 PM
The White Sox only finished a few games behind the Tigers in 2012. If we upgrade the team a bit this offseason I don't see why we can't get into the playoffs in 2013. I hope that Dunn is not with the team. If we can get a third baseman for him I would move him in a heartbeat. I'm much more upbeat about the 2013 season than what I was last year at this time. I didn't expect the White Sox to contend in 2012 like they did. If we add a few pieces we can have a successful 2013.
Right, the most important thing is pitching and they should be as good or better next year. Flowers will be an average offensive catcher but very good defensive catcher. Youk is replaceable at this point. If the Sox just add a piece or two here and there they are going to be a contender again I am sure. Nothings sure because of injuries, but I see no reason to not be optimistic next year. Even Robin will learn from his mistakes, which weren't all that many.

mahagga73
11-05-2012, 12:49 PM
The Tigers were underachievers the entire season and still won the division by a few games. Can we expect them to underachieve next season? We also don't know if they make any moves to improve their team.

The Sox need to decide if they are going to try and win now or start building towards the future.
There are 2 wild card spots to be had also. The Sox, if the Tigers live up to the hype next year, should compete for one of them.

TDog
11-05-2012, 02:24 PM
I agree that the Tigers underachieved for most of (if not all of) the regular season. I am admittedly concerned about the Sox' chances in 2013. The Tigers have some pretty solid starting pitching and I am assuming right now that Victor Martinez will return and be very good for their lineup.

I am somewhat satisfied with the Sox' rotation in 2013, but the lineup holes are glaring. I am hoping that Sale and Quintana's experience this season will help them go deep into next year without the obvious tired arms they were showing in 2012. Hopefully Peavy can continue this year's success and if Danks can return to form, the White Sox will have quite a formidable rotation.

It's the hitting I'm worried about.

But, it's only November. You never know what can happen and what players the Sox will end up with to start the season.

The Tigers may have been underachievers in the division, but Cabrera had a career year. Fielder had a great year. Verlander had a great year. Scherzer had the best season of his career after getting off to a slow start. Young was probably every bit the player he was expected to be.

Meanhwile, the White Sox dealt with Konerko playing hurt for the seocnd half of the year, an offensive black hole hitting third and a jerry-rigged solution to an offensive black hole from third base. The opening day starter missed most of the season. Giving up on this team because Rios and Pierzyski may have had career years and still finished three games behind the Tigers is failing to look at the years Cabrera, Fielder and Verlander had for the Tigers while they could only finish three games ahead of the White Sox.

I would like to see the White Sox improve their offense and tweak their pitching. But with all the challenges the White Sox faced last year, they weren't that far behind a Tigers team that couldn't be said to have phoned the season in.

TaylorStSox
11-05-2012, 02:31 PM
It's a mistake to assume the Tigers won't be adding to their roster as well.

I'm hoping that Peavy's contract was a sign that AJ is gone. They aren't exactly friendly.

pythons007
11-05-2012, 03:08 PM
---I'm aware it's a long off season but having read Hahn's early comments about bringing back AJ and Youk, I am beginning to wonder if these are the right moves. The team won 85 games last year with this team. Outside of hopefully adding Danks back into the mix, I don't see how this puts the team over the top.

Of course I'm assuming that bringing the two of them back eats up most of the Sox remaining budget thus leaving little room to improve the bench or bullpen. These guys are past their primes. And I also know the FA Class is thin and thus most of the players will be over paid.

AJ will be 37 next year and is coming of a career year, in which he faded terribly in Sept. Youk had a great first 3 weeks with us, but I'm not impressed by the numbers he put up. He didn't exactly like the world on fire in September. A healthy Brent Morel (a big question mark) could hit better then .240, give you the 15-20 HR's Youk would give you play better D.

And what is the gap in numbers of Tyler Flowers versus an aging AJ? I always have doubts about players having their best years in their free agent years. It's hard to judge Tyler by last year as he didn't play more then 2-3 games in a week. But I am confident in saying AJ won't produce in 2013 like he did in 2012.

Why not give the job to Flowers or go after Mike Napoli? As for 3B, Mark Reynolds is available. While we don't need another slow, high strike out, power hitter is his offense that much worse then Youk's?

---Does anyone else think the Sox will trade Floyd? I'm betting he's not on the opening day roster. Trading him could solve one the problems listed above, but on the flipside we can go from 6 to 4 starters pretty quickly.

---I am fine with trading Dunn or Rios if it 1. fills a hole or two right away for 2013, and 2. we can then use the money to strengthen the bullpen or bench. Can Rios have two solid seasons in a row?

---2013 is the last chance for Gordo. If he doesn't hit (and he did turn it on this September) I think it's time to say adios or at make him your super utility player.

---Lastly, I think the Sox need to find a closer or back up closer. I'm hoping Addison Reed grows into the role but he makes things way to close right now. Feel free to have some 1-2-3 innings once in awhile.
Bob

I would hate the see the Sox with a middle of the order of Dunn, Reynolds and Flowers. You'd get a lot of Ks and meaningless solo shots. What this team needs are more players that will get on base at better clip, too many free swingers right now.

It's a mistake to assume the Tigers won't be adding to their roster as well.

I'm hoping that Peavy's contract was a sign that AJ is gone. They aren't exactly friendly.

The Tigers will already be adding Victor Martinez back to the middle of the lineup. Fielder, Cabrera, and Martinez (L,R,L...3,4,5). Yeeesh! I've already heard rumblings that they want to resign Anibal Sanchez as well. We already know their owner wants to win a championship before he dies. So expect some more big splashes in the FA market from Detroit this winter.

SI1020
11-05-2012, 03:37 PM
Tyler Flowers is not the answer at catcher. Imagine Flowers and Dunn in the lineup together for 120 or so games. I shudder to think of it.

TaylorStSox
11-05-2012, 03:54 PM
Tyler Flowers is not the answer at catcher. Imagine Flowers and Dunn in the lineup together for 120 or so games. I shudder to think of it.

65 home runs, 160 walks, 160 RBIs. Oh the humanity. :tongue:

WhiteSox5187
11-05-2012, 05:05 PM
I don't see what options the Sox have other than to add to the core that is already in place.

They have several veteran players with contracts that are tough to trade. They have little MLB-ready talent in the minor leagues.

Even if they wanted to overhaul the roster this offseason, I don't think they could.

I think that decision has been made. The investment in Peavy is a clear sign the Sox are trying to win now. Whether they will be successful is an open question, but this is not going to be an offseason where the Sox starting looking toward 2015.

I think, hope is probably the better word, that the White Sox are going to be retooling their farm system while continuing to plug holes with veterans and hope to catch lightening in a bottle. The immediate plan calls for the Tigers to continue to struggle over the course of 162 games and that they can stay close. With their rotation they should be able to compete, whether or not it is enough to get over the hump I am not sure. But hopefully they can develop some more guys so by 2014, 2015 they can have a team of young and talented guys under contract who can compete for years to come. Kind of like where the White Sox were in 1991 or so.

65 home runs, 160 walks, 160 RBIs. Oh the humanity. :tongue:

While those are nice totals, I think the White Sox have too many low average, low OBP guys in their lineup already. I know that Dunn walked over 100 times last year but his OBP was STILL .333 and his OPS was "just" .800, that doesn't make up for his .205 average. He leaves way too many runners on base in scoring position. Maybe with a healthy Konerko hitting behind him his production will increase. I know that some people say that batting average doesn't matter but I think if you watch Dunn every game you get to see how many guys he leaves on base and how much that average DOES matter.

Daver
11-05-2012, 05:15 PM
The thought of Tyler Flowers behind the plate for 100 + games makes me somewhat slightly nauseous.

TaylorStSox
11-05-2012, 05:21 PM
yThe thought of Tyler Flowers behind the plate for 100 + games makes me somewhat slightly nauseous.
Why? You've watched AJ suck behind the plate for years. I'll go with the youngster who is a good defender, has some power and doesn't show up his teammates.

@5187
I agree that we need some guys that make more contact. However, If we get those numbers out of a DH and C, I'm not going to complain. We need to get more contact out of 3rd and 2nd.

Daver
11-05-2012, 05:33 PM
y
Why? You've watched AJ suck behind the plate for years. I'll go with the youngster who is a good defender

Where is this player you speak of?

TaylorStSox
11-05-2012, 05:44 PM
Where is this player you speak of?

Did you watch Flowers behind the plate this year? He's improved by leaps and bounds. He's athletic for his size and mobile. He has a good arm and isn't afraid to call for pitches in the dirt. There is no comparison between him and AJ.

Tragg
11-05-2012, 06:20 PM
65 home runs, 160 walks, 160 RBIs. Oh the humanity. :tongue:

Terrible isn't it.
But we'll be weak at bunting or moving those runners up.

WLL1855
11-05-2012, 07:55 PM
65 home runs, 160 walks, 160 RBIs. Oh the humanity. :tongue:

So Dunn's going to hit 50+ homers and have 120+ RBI's and walks next year? Sign me up for that!

Nellie_Fox
11-05-2012, 11:49 PM
65 home runs, 160 walks, 160 RBIs. Oh the humanity. :tongue:Don't forget the 400 strikeouts.

WhiteSox5187
11-06-2012, 12:01 AM
Did you watch Flowers behind the plate this year? He's improved by leaps and bounds. He's athletic for his size and mobile. He has a good arm and isn't afraid to call for pitches in the dirt. There is no comparison between him and AJ.

Flowers has a better arm but I think that both he and AJ still struggle with pitches in the dirt. AJ struggles are largely a result of him being 36 and approaching the end of his career, Flowers has just always been bad.

SI1020
11-06-2012, 07:18 AM
So Dunn's going to hit 50+ homers and have 120+ RBI's and walks next year? Sign me up for that! That's a production assumption I'm not willing to make. Even if it comes true both will be flirting with the Mendoza line and striking out at record rates. No thank you.

LoveYourSuit
11-06-2012, 11:00 AM
Eric Chavez had himself a nice comeback season.

Would he be someone to kick the tires on?

Perhaps 100- 110 games at 3B?

TaylorStSox
11-06-2012, 11:13 AM
Don't forget the 400 strikeouts.

Blatant hyperbole!!!

doublem23
11-06-2012, 11:18 AM
Eric Chavez had himself a nice comeback season.

Would he be someone to kick the tires on?

Perhaps 100- 110 games at 3B?

This was the 1st season Chavez has hit the 100 game plateau since 2006 so I'd think that's being a bit optimistic

russ99
11-06-2012, 11:31 AM
This was the 1st season Chavez has hit the 100 game plateau since 2006 so I'd think that's being a bit optimistic

Also, Chavez fits our usual profile of a low average, homer/strikeout hitter and we need some variety in the lineup.

What would be optimal is a .280+ hitter with some pop, a patient hitter who hits to all fields and can run a little and field at least league average.

doublem23
11-06-2012, 11:36 AM
Also, Chavez fits our usual profile of a low average, homer/strikeout hitter and we need some variety in the lineup.

What would be optimal is a .280+ hitter with some pop, a patient hitter who hits to all fields and can run a little and field at least league average.

Uh, what? Chavez hit .281/.343/.496 last year with only 59 K and 16 HR in 313 PA. All of this while playing in a very HR friendly Yankee Stadium. I think he has reinvented himself offensively to be more of a role player and not a line-up carrying slugger.

PalehosePlanet
11-06-2012, 12:15 PM
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As for 3B, Mark Reynolds is available. While we don't need another slow, high strike out, power hitter is his offense that much worse then Youk's?

Bob

Mark Reynolds is an absolutely awful defensive 3rd baseman; so bad that he was moved to 1B; and sucked there also.

Frater Perdurabo
11-06-2012, 12:50 PM
Uh, what? Chavez hit .281/.343/.496 last year with only 59 K and 16 HR in 313 PA. All of this while playing in a very HR friendly Yankee Stadium. I think he has reinvented himself offensively to be more of a role player and not a line-up carrying slugger.

That would fit nicely in our lineup.

Nellie_Fox
11-06-2012, 01:35 PM
Blatant hyperbole!!!Not at all. Four hundred strikeouts between them would not be out of the question, since Dunn will go well over 200 all by himself. With Flowers being an everyday player, 350 strikeouts between them would be fairly conservative, and 400 a not unreasonable number.

You'll note that nowhere did I make an idiotic statement like "I would strike out less than Flowers and Dunn."

doublem23
11-06-2012, 01:40 PM
That would fit nicely in our lineup.

I agree, problem is expecting Chavez to play 1/2 the season is a real roll of the dice.

If the Sox could find a guy whose maybe not quite 100% ready to play 3B everyday at the MLB level, then Chavez is a real nice addition. You bring in Chavez to be your 3B most of the time, find a utility IF who can play a little 3B to spell him 1-2 times per week, and then you have your new guy in Charlotte waiting if (when) he needs to spend some time on the DL.

TaylorStSox
11-06-2012, 01:55 PM
Not at all. Four hundred strikeouts between them would not be out of the question, since Dunn will go well over 200 all by himself. With Flowers being an everyday player, 350 strikeouts between them would be fairly conservative, and 400 a not unreasonable number.

You'll note that nowhere did I make an idiotic statement like "I would strike out less than Flowers and Dunn."

Lol. Now I'm an idiot.

TDog
11-06-2012, 02:42 PM
Not at all. Four hundred strikeouts between them would not be out of the question, since Dunn will go well over 200 all by himself. With Flowers being an everyday player, 350 strikeouts between them would be fairly conservative, and 400 a not unreasonable number.

You'll note that nowhere did I make an idiotic statement like "I would strike out less than Flowers and Dunn."

I agree, but it would like to believe Flowers would strike out less frequently as an everyday player because it would be easier for him to maintain his timing at the plate. I'm not so sure that is the case anymore.

Chez
11-06-2012, 02:43 PM
What would be optimal is a .280+ hitter with some pop, a patient hitter who hits to all fields and can run a little and field at least league average.

Well; sure. Sox could use about three of those kind of hitters -- preferably all with club friendly contracts!

SCCWS
11-06-2012, 05:09 PM
I agree, but it would like to believe Flowers would strike out less frequently as an everyday player because it would be easier for him to maintain his timing at the plate. I'm not so sure that is the case anymore.

When he was a regular at Charlotte, in 196 games over 3 seasons he struck out 237 times. I guess he will be a 1+ SO per game guy.

Falstaff
11-06-2012, 05:21 PM
When he was a regular at Charlotte, in 196 games over 3 seasons he struck out 237 times. I guess he will be a 1+ SO per game guy.

For CATCHER we need a guy with heft of Ed Herrman, the HRs or Carlton Fisk, the heart of Miguel Olivo, and the hustle of Brian Downing.

For 3rd Base we need in one player the hands of Crede, the power of Melton, and the clutch of Ventura (the player).

Do these players exist in MLB or high minors?
Trade Floyd and a package to get them, shed AJ, Youk, dead meat old wood.

WLL1855
11-06-2012, 08:08 PM
Assuming Flowers is expected to be a major contributor next year, who is going to be backing him up? Gimenez? Or do we go out and get a guy like Kelly Shoppach to split time behind the plate?

Chi Dye
11-06-2012, 08:39 PM
Mark Reynolds is an absolutely awful defensive 3rd baseman; so bad that he was moved to 1B; and sucked there also.
Reynolds actually played quite well at 1st base after he made the move over.

CWSpalehoseCWS
11-06-2012, 09:39 PM
Assuming Flowers is expected to be a major contributor next year, who is going to be backing him up? Gimenez? Or do we go out and get a guy like Kelly Shoppach to split time behind the plate?

If Flowers is the starter, I think you almost have to bring in a veteran backup, someone like Shoppach. I don't trust Gimenez to be that guy.

russ99
11-07-2012, 02:04 PM
If Flowers is the starter, I think you almost have to bring in a veteran backup, someone like Shoppach. I don't trust Gimenez to be that guy.

This may be a little too much of a video game type move, but what about dealing Beckham, Floyd and + for a new younger mid-order starting catcher (akin to the deals that landed Santana in Cleveland and Montero in Seattle) then have Flowers back up, sign Keppinger for 2B and Polanco for 3B.

That way we get two good contact bats and a young emerging run producer to balance the lineup.

And yes, I'm not averse to selling high on either Beckham or Viciedo at this point as long as we get back a guy who will impact the roster for a number of years.

SoxSpeed22
11-07-2012, 05:38 PM
Lesson learned with young players, either commit to them as starters or send them somewhere else. Flowers did not understand how to stay sharp as a bench player and as a result, his timing was way off the entire season. Either **** or get off the pot with him. Veteran help will be needed regardless.

TheVulture
11-08-2012, 02:59 AM
You'll note that nowhere did I make an idiotic statement like "I would strike out less than Flowers and Dunn."

...even though you probably would.

TheVulture
11-08-2012, 03:00 AM
I don't think the Sox need to worry about adding any significant pieces to the staff. Yes, it's always good to pick up some more arms, but I don't think they should invest much resources into acquiring any. Clearly, pitching depth is a strength for the Sox, and if that's where the talent in the organization is you've got to just go with those guys like Reed in the closer role, Santiago, Quintana, Jones, etc.

It was the batters who failed the team for the most part. I'd like to see some moves in that realm for sure. Obviously, I'm not a fan of Dunn in the lineup. If he stays he should be put into a platoon and in that case I'd like to see the Sox acquire a right handed hitter who can play first base. Against lefties, bench Dunn, DH Konerko and put your right handed hitter at first and use him as a utility man against righties. This player would only have to have minimal success at the plate to improve upon Dunn's production likely production, and allow Konerko a good rest.

I'm in favor of Viciedo in left and Ramirez and Beckham still holding the double play combo.

As far catcher, I really don't know what they should do but it should be interesting. Whether or not Flowers is given the job, obviously they'll need to acquire another catcher.


For CATCHER we need a guy with heft of Ed Herrman, the HRs or Carlton Fisk, the heart of Miguel Olivo, and the hustle of Brian Downing.

For 3rd Base we need in one player the hands of Crede, the power of Melton, and the clutch of Ventura (the player).

Do these players exist in MLB or high minors?
Trade Floyd and a package to get them, shed AJ, Youk, dead meat old wood.

Man, I hope Hahn reads this post.

But for hands of Crede, power of Melton and clutch of Ventura, couldn't you have just said 'Ventura'?

Nellie_Fox
11-08-2012, 11:48 AM
...even though you probably would.LOL...I figure if I got 500 major league at bats, I'd strike out in 450 of them, get hit by pitches in about 30 because I can't get out of the way, and maybe draw 20 walks by pure luck.