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billyvsox
08-23-2012, 03:01 PM
The pitching roatations as of today will have the Sox missing Verlander BOTH time they play, in Detroit and in Chicago. I imagine this is unacceptable to the Kitties and they will move him up. They have an off day this Monday, so I expect they will skip over Sanchez and move up Verlander by one day.

If they do this, Verlader and Sale will be on the exact same schedule the rest of the season and would face off against each in both series.

Also, after monday, Sox and Tigers will have exact same schedule of games and days off the rest of season.

Lip Man 1
08-23-2012, 03:51 PM
Billy:

I'd be willing to wager you that the Sox will face Verlander in BOTH series. Leyland will adjust the rotation...he's not stupid, he knows what is at stake. Given the fact that Verlander is 13-1 in his last 14 decisions against the Sox nobody is that stupid.

Lip

PorkChopExpress
08-23-2012, 04:28 PM
Billy:

I'd be willing to wager you that the Sox will face Verlander in BOTH series. Leyland will adjust the rotation...he's not stupid, he knows what is at stake. Given the fact that Verlander is 13-1 in his last 14 decisions against the Sox nobody is that stupid.

Lip

That stat is disgusting. I know he is good/great, but come on.

ohiosoxfan
08-23-2012, 04:37 PM
Was watching the Blue Jays/Tigers game on MLB.TV today and was disgusting were the pitches that Verlander was getting for strikes. I know he's good, but he doesn't need the adulation of the umpire to help him out. . .

kittle42
08-23-2012, 04:41 PM
There's little point in mapping this out - if possible, the Sox will give Quintana and Sale rest, too.

Thus, we can't really predict with much accuracy who will be pitching when.

Harry Potter
08-23-2012, 04:58 PM
Well, for the sake of projecting out next weekend's series and assuming Sanchez gets skipped on Monday, it could be

Friday: Floyd vs. Fister/Smyly
Saturday: Liriano vs. Sanchez
Sunday: Sale vs. Verlander

And that Sunday game is now the ESPN Sunday Night game

kobo
08-23-2012, 05:00 PM
I made plans yesterday with a couple friends to go to the Sat game in Detroit next weekend. First time to Comerica. Any advice?

Harry Potter
08-23-2012, 05:06 PM
I made plans yesterday with a couple friends to go to the Sat game in Detroit next weekend. First time to Comerica. Any advice?

Bulletproof vest

Marqhead
08-23-2012, 05:11 PM
Billy:

I'd be willing to wager you that the Sox will face Verlander in BOTH series. Leyland will adjust the rotation...he's not stupid, he knows what is at stake. Given the fact that Verlander is 13-1 in his last 14 decisions against the Sox nobody is that stupid.

Lip


I wish he'd go back to tipping his pitches like he did pre-2009.

kittle42
08-23-2012, 05:12 PM
I made plans yesterday with a couple friends to go to the Sat game in Detroit next weekend. First time to Comerica. Any advice?

Great ballpark. Good pregame atmosphere a few blocks around the stadium. Enjoy yourself! The rest of Detroit sucks, unless you like casinos.

SaltyPretzel
08-23-2012, 05:26 PM
Bulletproof vest

I've been to over 20 different ballparks and their fans were the nastiest I've encountered.

:tealpolice:

Foulke You
08-23-2012, 05:41 PM
That stat is disgusting. I know he is good/great, but come on.
Struggling against Verlander is easier to swallow than struggling against Bruce Chen. Verlander is a legit AL Cy Young winner. Chen is a Cy Young against one team.

I remember not too long ago when the Sox were one of the only teams that regularly got to Verlander. I think the biggest difference is that he doesn't throw nearly as many fastballs against our lineup as he once did.

Lip Man 1
08-23-2012, 05:42 PM
I think it's going to be very important for the Sox to have any kind of lead over the Tigers going into the series there, even if it's only a half game...something to make it more difficult for Detroit to potentially pass them that weekend.

They need to leave Comerica still in first place. Verlander be damned.

By the way the Sox have lost the last eight in a row at Comerica dating back to last year. Maybe that place needs to be included in the Sox "Houses of Horrors..." If they ever needed to get a win or two at that place it's going to be next weekend.

Lip

Chez
08-23-2012, 05:45 PM
Struggling against Verlander is easier to swallow than struggling against Bruce Chen. Verlander is a legit AL Cy Young winner. Chen is a Cy Young against one team.


Tigers fans probably feel the same way about facing Gavin Floyd as Sox fans feel about facing Bruce Chen.

Chez
08-23-2012, 05:47 PM
I think it's going to be very important for the Sox to have any kind of lead over the Tigers going into the series there, even if it's only a half game...something to make it more difficult for Detroit to potentially pass them that weekend.

They need to leave Comerica still in first place. Verlander be damned.

Lip

Realistically, if the Sox go 3-4 against Detroit the rest of the way, they'll be just fine. 2-5 would be a big swing.

bunkaroo
08-23-2012, 05:49 PM
I've been to over 20 different ballparks and their fans were the nastiest I've encountered.


I've heard that too. That's too bad because I was pleasantly surprised at how civil the Red Wings fans are at the Joe - both times I've been there in the past few years for Hawks games (we won), and there was nothing ****ty being said to us. Maybe they're more at peace with themselves given their championship history.

kufram
08-23-2012, 06:20 PM
The pitching roatations as of today will have the Sox missing Verlander BOTH time they play, in Detroit and in Chicago. I imagine this is unacceptable to the Kitties and they will move him up. They have an off day this Monday, so I expect they will skip over Sanchez and move up Verlander by one day.

If they do this, Verlader and Sale will be on the exact same schedule the rest of the season and would face off against each in both series.

Also, after monday, Sox and Tigers will have exact same schedule of games and days off the rest of season.


I hope that Leyland juggles his rotation and Robin keeps ours as steady as possible. When it's your day to pitch... you pitch... no matter who the opposition is.

billyvsox
08-23-2012, 06:23 PM
Billy:

I'd be willing to wager you that the Sox will face Verlander in BOTH series. Leyland will adjust the rotation...he's not stupid, he knows what is at stake. Given the fact that Verlander is 13-1 in his last 14 decisions against the Sox nobody is that stupid.

Lip

No wager Lip, I agree he will adjust the rotation. Suprised he didnt do it sooner. I'm guessing Verlander moves up to Tuesday start and Sanchez gets pushed back a day to Wednesday.

billyvsox
08-23-2012, 06:24 PM
Well, for the sake of projecting out next weekend's series and assuming Sanchez gets skipped on Monday, it could be

Friday: Floyd vs. Fister/Smyly
Saturday: Liriano vs. Sanchez
Sunday: Sale vs. Verlander

And that Sunday game is now the ESPN Sunday Night game

I think we will get Fister/Smyly of fri, but most likely Scherzer stays on for Saturday, Verlander Sunday and we miss Sanchez all together.

skobabe8
08-23-2012, 09:40 PM
I made plans yesterday with a couple friends to go to the Sat game in Detroit next weekend. First time to Comerica. Any advice?

You like Little Caesars?

rainbow6
08-24-2012, 01:16 AM
There was a debate this morning on the Score when someone suggested that if Sale is lined up to go against Verlander the Sox should adjust their roation so the "Sale Start" won't get wasted against a very likely typlical Verlander start against us (8, 9 innings, 1 or 2 ER).

Whoever brought it was called a moron but after thinking about a bit I don't think it is an all-together terrrible idea.

LoveYourSuit
08-24-2012, 01:39 AM
That stat is disgusting. I know he is good/great, but come on.

There was once a myth going around here that the Sox give Verlander trouble.

TDog
08-24-2012, 02:04 AM
There was once a myth going around here that the Sox give Verlander trouble.

It wasn't a myth. In 2006, when Verlander was making his first-ever start against the White Sox, the Sox were all over him, scoring seven runs against him and knocking him out in the third. Those post-World Series Guillen teams never could hit pitchers they had never seen before. He ended up 17-9 in his first full season with the Tigers, and he was 1-4 against the White Sox. They weren't heartbreaking losses. In his first five starts aganst the White Sox, he had an ERA over 7, and the Sox as a team were hitting over .350 against him.

Even in his good starts against the Sox early in his career, the Sox would wear him down in the middle innings. Then there reached a point a couple of years ago, where Verlander essentially learned to pitch. He didn't come out throwing 100 mph fastballs in the first inning. He changed speeds and seemed to have better movement. He paced himself, saved something for the later innings and became very tough for the White Sox to beat. And come the ninth inning, the Tigers didn't have to bring in a closer throwing 100 mph, because they had Verlander throwing harder than he was throwing in the first.

Jollyroger2
08-24-2012, 08:41 AM
Realistically, if the Sox go 3-4 against Detroit the rest of the way, they'll be just fine. 2-5 would be a big swing.

The Sox need to better against them. Much better. They won the first two games way back in April but since then have only won 2 of the next 9.

Given the teams remaining schedules, the Sox have to beat them head to head or they'll get passed. This upcoming trip is huge, fighting Detroit for the division and then Baltimore for a potential wild card.

Hitmen77
08-24-2012, 09:08 AM
The Sox need to better against them. Much better. They won the first two games way back in April but since then have only won 2 of the next 9.

Given the teams remaining schedules, the Sox have to beat them head to head or they'll get passed. This upcoming trip is huge, fighting Detroit for the division and then Baltimore for a potential wild card.

The Sox at least need to avoid getting swept in Detroit. I don't want them to lose 2 out of 3 in that series either, but at least that would only cost them 1 game in the standings.

Giving up 3 games in the standings to Detroit next weekend would be a disaster. We can't count on Detroit simply coughing those 3 games back to us like they did last time they swept us in July.

IMO, the Sox season is going to rest on those 13 games against the teams we haven't been able to beat: Detroit and Kansas City. There are only 39 games left in the season and 1/3 of those games are against these two teams that have owned us. If the Sox can't turn that around, they'll be watching the playoffs on TV.

palehosepub
08-24-2012, 10:32 AM
I've heard that too. That's too bad because I was pleasantly surprised at how civil the Red Wings fans are at the Joe - both times I've been there in the past few years for Hawks games (we won), and there was nothing ****ty being said to us. Maybe they're more at peace with themselves given their championship history.

Ive been to a lot of ballparks (20+) mostly following the White Sox and Detroit is the toughest place to wear your colors and support your team. Ive only had one incident in my travels - a group of drunk Metrodome a**holes that were bothering my family and it escalated and got ugly - but the other Twin fans around us actually came up to us and apologized for the drunk's behavior.

Detroit fans will get on you if you are just cheering for your team. I guess I'd be frustrated too living in that hellhole of a city.

Best fan behavior I have noticed is in Kansas City and St Louis. They will talk baseball with you, give you tips about their city etc. Maybe because the Sox don't directly compete with STL and haven't with KC for a long time

shingo10
08-24-2012, 10:37 AM
Have the Sox really lost 8 in a row in Detroit? Didn't they have that Dunn comeback win in the 9th inning there? That's when Reed came in and got his first save I believe.

He's got the look.

Marqhead
08-24-2012, 11:28 AM
There was once a myth going around here that the Sox give Verlander trouble.

Look at his stats against the Sox pre-2009. He was 2-9 with an ERA over 5 against the Sox.

kittle42
08-24-2012, 11:33 AM
Those post-World Series Guillen teams never could hit pitchers they had never seen before.

False, false, false, and by far the most unsupported yet widely believed "fact" in these parts.

Lip Man 1
08-24-2012, 12:43 PM
Shingo:

You are right, I somehow misread the schedules when I was checking on this yesterday. The Sox have lost nine of the last 10 games at Detroit dating back to July 17, 2011.

They lost five straight, won on Dunn's 9th inning home run and had lost four straight before that.

My apologies.

Lip

hawkjt
08-24-2012, 12:52 PM
I think it will end up being as follows:

Smyly/Fister vs Floyd
Scherzer vs Lirano
Verlander vs Sale

Tough matchups for the Sox in Detroit,where they play great.
I wish we had Peavy going,but do not think we should juggle to get him in.
Floyd has a good record vs the Tigers...he is the key...win that game,and the Sox get out of Detroit in 1st...I think.

Sale vs Verlander on Labor Day Weekend Sunday nite baseball should be a classic....no NFL yet,so baseball still center stage.

Listening to Drew Sharp,columnist for Detroit Free Press, on the Score today,he said that the Tigers and their fans expectations are that when the Tigers finish a long stretch of home games(Angels for three,Royals in KC,Sox for three,Tribe for three) on Sept 5,they will be in first place. Then they go to the Angels for 3,Chicago for 4,and Minny for 3....if somehow the Sox are still in 1st place on Sept 5....the Sox will be in position to build a working margin over that Detroit road trip.

russ99
08-24-2012, 12:58 PM
The key to beating Verlander is scratching a few runs off him early, then hope your pitcher can hold the Tigers until their subpar pen is in the game, and work the count vs. Verlander so he can't go all nine innings.

The Sox have followed the script a few times, most often at home, but then couldn't hold the lead. Hopefully Sale gives us that shot.

I'm not so worried about Detroit on the schedule (hopefully we'll do no worse than split with them), it's the rest of it that's worrysome:

Four games at Baltimore, and home/away series against KC and the Twins. Those teams seem to always give the Sox a hard time, though we've been good vs. the Twins this year.

Huisj
08-24-2012, 01:52 PM
I miss the good old days. Here are some selections from back when the Sox owned Verlander before 2009:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET200604130.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200608110.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200609190.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET200804060.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200804120.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET200807260.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200808060.shtml

Crazy that he was 2-9 against the Sox through 2008, and now he's 11-1 since.

thomas35forever
08-24-2012, 01:58 PM
I know the Sox need to beat Detroit to realistically win this thing, but even if we lose most head-to-head matchups from here on out, we've done well against mostly everyone else. Continue to beat who you're facing and good things will happen.

JimmyJames
08-25-2012, 08:50 AM
I was all set to head to Detroit the Sunday of Labor Day and making it a day trip but now ESPN has made it their Sunday night game so now we will have to get a hotel. Any recommendations? We pretty much want to get in, watch the game, and get out.

TomBradley72
08-25-2012, 09:14 AM
I was all set to head to Detroit the Sunday of Labor Day and making it a day trip but now ESPN has made it their Sunday night game so now we will have to get a hotel. Any recommendations? We pretty much want to get in, watch the game, and get out.

If that's your plan- you might want to find a place along I94 around Ann Arbor, etc. you knock off 45-60 mins off your return to Chicago with your drive to the hotel after the game. Check in and dump your stuff on the way to the game.

rookie
08-25-2012, 02:37 PM
Ive been to a lot of ballparks (20+) mostly following the White Sox and Detroit is the toughest place to wear your colors and support your team. Ive only had one incident in my travels - a group of drunk Metrodome a**holes that were bothering my family and it escalated and got ugly - but the other Twin fans around us actually came up to us and apologized for the drunk's behavior.

Detroit fans will get on you if you are just cheering for your team. I guess I'd be frustrated too living in that hellhole of a city.

Best fan behavior I have noticed is in Kansas City and St Louis. They will talk baseball with you, give you tips about their city etc. Maybe because the Sox don't directly compete with STL and haven't with KC for a long time

Interesting, I've had the exact opposite experience. I had an incident at Target Field that makes me uncomfortable to even think of going back there. Whereas I've been to Comerica the last two years and have only good experiences with their fans. We're going to the Saturday game next weekend.

Huisj
08-25-2012, 09:05 PM
Interesting, I've had the exact opposite experience. I had an incident at Target Field that makes me uncomfortable to even think of going back there. Whereas I've been to Comerica the last two years and have only good experiences with their fans. We're going to the Saturday game next weekend.

I've also had nothing but fine experiences as a Sox fan going to games in Detroit. I've been to more games there than in Chicago actually. Act normal and don't be obnoxious, and you'll have no problems at all.

#1swisher
08-26-2012, 12:10 PM
Chuck Garfien
Justin Verlander listed to pitch Tuesday for Tigers, meaning he's lined up to face Chris Sale next Sunday night.

sox1970
08-26-2012, 12:18 PM
Chuck Garfien
Justin Verlander listed to pitch Tuesday for Tigers, meaning he's lined up to face Chris Sale next Sunday night.

Things that Garfien could have tweeted three days ago.