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chicagowhitesox1
08-23-2012, 12:19 PM
I just read that only four Redsox players attended the late Johnny Peskys funeral. These guys are a joke for only 4 guys to show up for something like this. The Redsox even had buses which would escort the players to his funeral. The worst part is most of the team showed up for Josh Beckets bowling party later that night.

SI1020
08-23-2012, 02:57 PM
History means little to most people, no matter what their profession or line of work is.

kittle42
08-23-2012, 03:06 PM
I'd rather go to a bowling party than a funeral.

kittle42
08-23-2012, 03:07 PM
History means little to most people, no matter what their profession or line of work is.

Robert Dunder was once brought in to stress the importance of this.

SI1020
08-23-2012, 03:19 PM
I'd rather go to a bowling party than a funeral. Who wouldn't want to go any kind of party rather than a funeral? Nevertheless some ethnic groups would really kick it in after burying a loved one.

Hitmen77
08-23-2012, 03:30 PM
I'd rather go to a bowling party than a funeral.

I think Yogi Berra once said that if you don't go to people's funerals, they won't go to your funeral.

DSpivack
08-23-2012, 05:17 PM
History means little to most people, no matter what their profession or line of work is.

Probably not true of historians.

TheVulture
08-23-2012, 05:47 PM
Maybe no one liked him?

chicagowhitesox1
08-23-2012, 06:11 PM
Johnny Pesky has his number retired by the Redsox, He has a pole named after him in Fenway Park, He has been associated with the Redsox for 60 years and he lost part of his playing career to WW2. He deserved alot more respect than this. Of course going to a bowling party would be more fun but you still go to his funeral and he was not disliked by players or management and especially the fans. This was just classless and selfish of these players not to attend.

I shouldn't have started a thread on this here I guess because most of you probably don't even know who he was.

RCWHITESOX
08-23-2012, 06:27 PM
This pretty much shows you the class or lack of this years Red Sox team.They showed up for Beckets bowling party because most of them have a me only mentallity.Show some respect for those before you!

chicagowhitesox1
08-23-2012, 06:34 PM
This pretty much shows you the class or lack of this years Red Sox team.They showed up for Beckets bowling party because most of them have a me only mentallity.Show some respect for those before you!

To be fair the bowling party was for charity which was planned months in advance but yeah these players seem to have a me only mentality. It would have been good not only for the Pesky family for more of them to show up but to the city of Boston as well.

DSpivack
08-23-2012, 06:42 PM
So Red Sox players are just as much *******s as their manager or their fan base? :shrug:

TDog
08-23-2012, 08:06 PM
How does this compare to the Moose Skowron funeral?

34rancher
08-23-2012, 08:22 PM
So Red Sox players are just as much *******s as their manager or their fan base? :shrug:

And who put that team together? Wonder if the north side will look Le this in 5-6 years.

voodoochile
08-23-2012, 09:00 PM
Maybe if they'd had fried chicken and beer on the buses more players would have gone.

I'm sorry, but I simply don't care how many players from today's Boston team showed up to Pesky's funeral. It's a meh story to me. I'm all for respecting traditions and all that, but I bet few of these players have met Pesky or had a chance to really get to know him. If Boston want's to take this as a slight on one of their heroes, so be it.

Will we be upset 40 years from now when only a couple Bulls' players show up to MJ's funeral?

And I think most people on these forums have at least heard of Pesky's pole, I just don't think people really give a crap how many players show up to some Boston team players' funeral. I know I sure don't and I'm not gonna pretend otherwise to seem politically correct.

chicagowhitesox1
08-23-2012, 09:02 PM
How does this compare to the Moose Skowron funeral?

I'm guessing not alot of Whitesox players attended his funeral. I guess the differance in this would be Skowron had his fans from Chicago but he was more of a Yankee so fans in Chicago didn't warm up to him the same way Boston fans did with Johnny Pesky. Skowron was a part of the Whitesox organization but not the same way Pesky was in Boston.

The players in Boston knew how important Pesky was to that city and they should have attended.

kittle42
08-23-2012, 10:33 PM
Maybe if they'd had fried chicken and beer on the buses more players would have gone.

I'm sorry, but I simply don't care how many players from today's Boston team showed up to Pesky's funeral. It's a meh story to me. I'm all for respecting traditions and all that, but I bet few of these players have met Pesky or had a chance to really get to know him. If Boston want's to take this as a slight on one of their heroes, so be it.

Will we be upset 40 years from now when only a couple Bulls' players show up to MJ's funeral?

And I think most people on these forums have at least heard of Pesky's pole, I just don't think people really give a crap how many players show up to some Boston team players' funeral. I know I sure don't and I'm not gonna pretend otherwise to seem politically correct.

Thank you. This thread is ridiculous.

I'm guessing not alot of Whitesox players attended his funeral. I guess the differance in this would be Skowron had his fans from Chicago but he was more of a Yankee so fans in Chicago didn't warm up to him the same way Boston fans did with Johnny Pesky. Skowron was a part of the Whitesox organization but not the same way Pesky was in Boston.

The players in Boston knew how important Pesky was to that city and they should have attended.

Give me a break. This is such a non-story.

chicagowhitesox1
08-23-2012, 10:46 PM
Thank you. This thread is ridiculous.



Give me a break. This is such a non-story.

I put this in the Talking Baseball section if you don't like it don't respond. I think talking about Big Brother and what your favorite day of the week are ridiculous but i'm not gonna go over there and make comments.

Noneck
08-23-2012, 11:11 PM
Was Pesky involved in anyway recently with the boston organization? If not when was he last involved? If a former player is removed from an organization for many years, current players would not know him personally. He probably outlived the players of his era also. This stuff happens in all walks of life.

chicagowhitesox1
08-23-2012, 11:21 PM
Was Pesky involved in anyway recently with the boston organization? If not when was he last involved? If a former player is removed from an organization for many years, current players would not know him personally. He probably outlived the players of his era also. This stuff happens in all walks of life.

He raised the WS banners for the Redsox in 2004 and 2007. He was a team adviser up until 2007 when the Orioles complained and baseball had him stop being on the bench. He was a regular at Fenway afterwards so the players knew him well. He attended Fenway Parks 100th annerversery and is one of 6 Redsox players to have their number retired.

guillensdisciple
08-23-2012, 11:22 PM
I have always thought funerals were a family matter. Don't see how inviting everyone to someone's funeral does anything for anyone. The only people that truly matter are the ones you loved so unless any of those players knew pesky personally, I don't see what the uproar is all about.

Noneck
08-23-2012, 11:25 PM
He raised the WS banners for the Redsox in 2004 and 2007. He was a team adviser up until 2007 when the Orioles complained and baseball had him stop being on the bench. He was a regular at Fenway afterwards so the players knew him well. He attended Fenway Parks 100th annerversery and is one of 6 Redsox players to have their number retired.

I dont follow the team but the players should have known him. The only other thing is maybe they didnt like him.

chicagowhitesox1
08-23-2012, 11:30 PM
I have always thought funerals were a family matter. Don't see how inviting everyone to someone's funeral does anything for anyone. The only people that truly matter are the ones you loved so unless any of those players knew pesky personally, I don't see what the uproar is all about.

Johnny Pesky really enjoyed being around those players and he deserved more than 4 players showing up. If this was for Carl Yastrzemski I could see where you wouldn't have many showing up because he's pretty much stayed out of the Redsox stadium but Pesky was there all the time.

chicagowhitesox1
08-23-2012, 11:35 PM
I dont follow the team but the players should have known him. The only other thing is maybe they didnt like him.

I don't think thats it. I think there a bunch of self centered selfish players or two faced because they sure acted like they liked him.

I like the old ballplayers and I feel they should be given respect and especially a guy like Pesky who fought in WW2 and it does irk me that these players wouldn't show up for his funeral knowing how important he is to a baseball driven city like Boston. I can see alot of members on here could care less about this and thats their opinion.

voodoochile
08-23-2012, 11:42 PM
I put this in the Talking Baseball section if you don't like it don't respond. I think talking about Big Brother and what your favorite day of the week are ridiculous but i'm not gonna go over there and make comments.

No sorry, you invited the response. Your thread isn't about Pesky and his career or even the Boston Red Sox or their players. It's a thread asking, "isn't it a shame, the players don't care about Pesky?" It's a legitimate answer to say, "not really."

voodoochile
08-23-2012, 11:43 PM
I don't think thats it. I think there a bunch of self centered selfish players or two faced because they sure acted like they liked him.

Expecting overpaid performers to act like we want them to seems a bit out of touch with recent reality.

DSpivack
08-23-2012, 11:45 PM
Expecting overpaid performers to act like we want them to seems a bit out of touch with recent reality.

To be fair, Babe Ruth really did have a better year than President Hoover.

Brian26
08-23-2012, 11:47 PM
I can see alot of members on here could care less about this and thats their opinion.

I see a lot of members who could not care less.

Noneck
08-23-2012, 11:53 PM
I like the old ballplayers and I feel they should be given respect and especially a guy like Pesky who fought in WW2 and it does irk me that these players wouldn't show up for his funeral knowing how important he is to a baseball driven city like Boston. I can see alot of members on here could care less about this and thats their opinion.

Well at least Pesky wasnt hurt by the lack of consideration.

kittle42
08-23-2012, 11:58 PM
I put this in the Talking Baseball section if you don't like it don't respond. I think talking about Big Brother and what your favorite day of the week are ridiculous but i'm not gonna go over there and make comments.

Totally different things. I hope you can see why.

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 12:01 AM
Well at least Pesky wasnt hurt by the lack of consideration.

Yeah I suppose your right. I always liked Pesky and maybe this Voodoo guy has a point about players being out of touch. It does bother me but I guess its really not a big deal.

kittle42
08-24-2012, 12:03 AM
Please provide a list of living ballplayers important enough to teams and cities that if they died, current team player attendance should be assumed at their funerals. I see Yaz doesn't make that list.

Distribute said list to all 30 MLB teams.

Make sure we don't double book with "selfish" players attending charity events (the most puzzling part of this thread).

Problem solved!

RKMeibalane
08-24-2012, 12:11 AM
:hitless

"I wonder how many White Sox players will come to my funeral."

:hurt

"Royce, your two seasons with the White Sox were a funeral, because our chances of winning died every time you came to the plate."

:jerry

"And I kept giving him more and more playing time."

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 12:18 AM
Please provide a list of living ballplayers important enough to teams and cities that if they died, current team player attendance should be assumed at their funerals. I see Yaz doesn't make that list.

Distribute said list to all 30 MLB teams.

Make sure we don't double book with "selfish" players attending charity events (the most puzzling part of this thread).

Problem solved!

Theres not too many left. Ernie banks would have to be one and Yogi Berra would be another one who their team should pay their respects too. Johnny Pesky was one too. I would say Stan Musial and Al Kaline would deserve that type of respect too. I don't think Willie Mays would be on this list because he really doesn't attend Giants games like the rest of these guys do with their teams.

chisoxfanatic
08-24-2012, 12:30 AM
Even Kevin Youkilis made it, and it was a huge inconvenience for him. He paid for a private jet.

Noneck
08-24-2012, 12:53 AM
Even Kevin Youkilis made it, and it was a huge inconvenience for him. He paid for a private jet.

Did Harrelson go with him?

RKMeibalane
08-24-2012, 01:12 AM
Theres not too many left. Ernie banks would have to be one and Yogi Berra would be another one who their team should pay their respects too. Johnny Pesky was one too. I would say Stan Musial and Al Kaline would deserve that type of respect too. I don't think Willie Mays would be on this list because he really doesn't attend Giants games like the rest of these guys do with their teams.

You'd better believe Henry Aaron gets a full turnout.

soxnut1018
08-24-2012, 01:18 AM
Was Yaz there? That's all that counts.

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 01:48 AM
You'd better believe Henry Aaron gets a full turnout.

He might be in with those guys but it wouldn't be out of being close with the Braves players like Pesky was with the Redsox players. He would be honored because he's Hank Aaron and I could see where the Braves players wouldn't attend his funeral. Johnny Pesky was the one guy who actually was really close to the players. I can almost see why Cubs players wouldn't attend Banks funeral or Sox players attending Minoso's funeral. But with Johnny Pesky that's just a shame more players didn't attend his.

I think Berra would have most if not the whole Yankee team show up and Musial and Kaline would get quite a few too.

TDog
08-24-2012, 02:23 AM
... I don't think Willie Mays would be on this list because he really doesn't attend Giants games like the rest of these guys do with their teams.

Where did you hear that?

Actually, Willie Mays remains something of a baseball god in San Francisco.

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 02:42 AM
Where did you hear that?

Actually, Willie Mays remains something of a baseball god in San Francisco.

I'm sure he is to fans and even the Giants players but he's never been close to the team like Pesky was with the Redsox. Willie Mays is by all means a legend but in SF McCovey and Cepeda were more well liked. I think Mays liked to be associated with the old NewYork Giants more than the SF Giants too. He did wear that NY hat to some Giants event a few years back which angered alot of people out there I recall.

Maybe alot would attend. I really don't know but I doubt there would be much of a outrage if only a few showed up unlike Peskys funeral.

cub killer
08-24-2012, 05:25 AM
I see a lot of members who could not care less.
A lot of members here cared enough to comment on this, so it was possible they could care less from that point forward. So, basically all members who commented could care less. In fact, I will care less after hitting "submit".

Would Pesky himself be mad if he saw only 4 attended? I doubt it. You'd have to be an egomaniac to be angry about whether people mourn your death. So it's a non-story.

SephClone89
08-24-2012, 07:06 AM
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And for the line of "People who don't attend funerals won't have people attend theirs"... many don't believe in an afterlife, so they care ****-all if anyone attends an event they will be unaware of.

...Yeah, that's kind of the point of that line...it's supposed to be a joke...

Since, y'know, people who've had funerals won't be going to any, since they are, y'know, dead.

Johnny Mostil
08-24-2012, 08:56 AM
Deadspin (http://deadspin.com/5937309/red-sox-skip-johnny-peskys-funeral-probably-to-get-chicken-and-beer-or-something), of all sources, notes another reason players had for not attending: the team landed at 4 a.m. from a road trip.

For what it's worth (maybe nothing!), I note that I've sung with the choir for funeral masses at my parish. And I don't recall funerals of those who lived into their 90s drawing many persons, for well-understood reasons (e.g., the deceased have outlived nearly all their generation, and a good number of their children's generation). I do recall a funeral of a very old federal judge drawing a bit of a crowd, but that crowd was older as well. I've never thought the sparsely-attended funerals of 90-somethings meant they weren't as "respected" in their lives as younger persons who had better-attended funerals.

And apparently even the Boston Herald column (http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1061155131) stoking outrage on this quoted a Red Sox spokesman as saying, “Between the ownership, front office, current players and staff, and former players, we were well represented by the people who knew Johnny best.”

SI1020
08-24-2012, 09:29 AM
Probably not true of historians. You really had my number yesterday didn't you?

SI1020
08-24-2012, 09:35 AM
I put this in the Talking Baseball section if you don't like it don't respond. I think talking about Big Brother and what your favorite day of the week are ridiculous but i'm not gonna go over there and make comments. I'm getting tired of people telling others what is worthy or relevant. This place is full of light puffy threads. Not only that but the Red Sox players were *******s for not showing more respect for Pesky. Relevant that.

delben91
08-24-2012, 09:41 AM
Theres not too many left. Ernie banks would have to be one and Yogi Berra would be another one who their team should pay their respects too. Johnny Pesky was one too. I would say Stan Musial and Al Kaline would deserve that type of respect too. I don't think Willie Mays would be on this list because he really doesn't attend Giants games like the rest of these guys do with their teams.

How do you know this? I'm not being snarky I'm actually curious. I remember when the Giants were in the world series and when Bonds was chasing the records before the whole BALCO thing seeing Mays around PacBell a ton, at least on TV.

I don't have a lot of first hand knowledge of what former players in other cities attend their teams games, that's why I'm wondering how you've come by this information on several players.

Frater Perdurabo
08-24-2012, 10:00 AM
What I find amusing is that despite the absence of Fenway, and our own team being in first place, WSI gets up in arms over an off-the-field episode in the melodrama of an overhyped fourth place team in another division.

kittle42
08-24-2012, 11:31 AM
This place is full of light puffy threads.

I like sunshine and flowers. What do you all think of sunshine and flowers?

Johnny Mostil
08-24-2012, 11:35 AM
What I find amusing is that despite the absence of Fenway, and our own team being in first place, WSI gets up in arms over an off-the-field episode in the melodrama of an overhyped fourth place team in another division.

I'm sure it's not, but I did briefly wonder if the OP was Fenway.

I like sunshine and flowers. What do you all think of sunshine and flowers?

They kick ass!

Paulwny
08-24-2012, 12:35 PM
Bob Sheppard announced line-ups at Yankee Stadium for 57 yrs. He was "loved" by Yankee players and the fans. Not one Yankee player attended his funeral.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/Yankee-Players-Didnt-Go-to-Bob-Sheppards-Funeral-98614524.html

kittle42
08-24-2012, 12:43 PM
Bob Sheppard announced line-ups at Yankee Stadium for 57 yrs. He was "loved" by Yankee players and the fans. Not one Yankee player attended his funeral.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/Yankee-Players-Didnt-Go-to-Bob-Sheppards-Funeral-98614524.html

And I'm glad you cited a well-reasoned, level-headed response to it. Which was basically, "So what? Nothing to see here."

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 01:25 PM
How do you know this? I'm not being snarky I'm actually curious. I remember when the Giants were in the world series and when Bonds was chasing the records before the whole BALCO thing seeing Mays around PacBell a ton, at least on TV.

I don't have a lot of first hand knowledge of what former players in other cities attend their teams games, that's why I'm wondering how you've come by this information on several players.

He was going to the games when Bonds was nearing the record because he's Barry Bonds godfather. He still goes to games, mostly important games and in one of these games he wore a old NY Giants cap and from what I remember the Giants management wasn't happy and some fans from SF were offended. It wasn't that big of a deal though.

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 01:34 PM
Bob Sheppard announced line-ups at Yankee Stadium for 57 yrs. He was "loved" by Yankee players and the fans. Not one Yankee player attended his funeral.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/Yankee-Players-Didnt-Go-to-Bob-Sheppards-Funeral-98614524.html

The Yankees players took alot of heat for that but they were never informed about it either. I know Derek Jeter apologized and stated he was never made aware of when it would be.

LITTLE NELL
08-24-2012, 01:41 PM
Theres not too many left. Ernie banks would have to be one and Yogi Berra would be another one who their team should pay their respects too. Johnny Pesky was one too. I would say Stan Musial and Al Kaline would deserve that type of respect too. I don't think Willie Mays would be on this list because he really doesn't attend Giants games like the rest of these guys do with their teams.

I think our own Billy Pierce would make the list.

TDog
08-24-2012, 01:59 PM
I'm sure he is to fans and even the Giants players but he's never been close to the team like Pesky was with the Redsox. Willie Mays is by all means a legend but in SF McCovey and Cepeda were more well liked. I think Mays liked to be associated with the old NewYork Giants more than the SF Giants too. He did wear that NY hat to some Giants event a few years back which angered alot of people out there I recall.

Maybe alot would attend. I really don't know but I doubt there would be much of a outrage if only a few showed up unlike Peskys funeral.

The Giants wore NY uniforms against the Cubs in a game this season. References to the New York Giants tradition aren't a PR problem in San Francisco. Even in Oakland, there are references celebrating the Philadelphia A's and their championships at their ballpark. Willie Mays remains the most popular player with the fans, and he holds a special place in the hearts of Giants fans and the Giants franchise. He is more than just a great former local player. Cepeda and McCovey also have statues. McCovey even has the cove in the Bay beyond right field named for him. But the statue where you regularly see parents holding babies to have their picture taken in front of it, the statue where you see people milling around when the team isn't in town, is the Willie Mays statue. When the 1962 team was introduced in pregame ceremonies not long ago, there was thunderous applause for everyone, but when Willie Mays was introduced at the end, the applause was not only louder, but it began soon enough so that it drowned out his name over the public address system.

I expect that when there eventually is a funeral for Willie Mays, if it comes during the baseball season, it will be scheduled on a day when the entire team can (and will attend). And it will be televised live on Comcast.

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 02:02 PM
I think our own Billy Pierce would make the list.

I think he deserves alot more consideration for the hof but honestly I don't think he attends alot of games and he's another one who probably isn't close to the players the way Pesky was.

Red Schoendienst of the Cardinals might be the one who is comparable to Pesky. I think thats what Kittle was wanting to know. I can't really say for sure how close some of these guys are but I know Pesky was very well liked in Boston.

I posted this thread because I saw it on the news and I didn't feel it was right only 4 players attended but then again who am I to judge.

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 02:15 PM
The Giants wore NY uniforms against the Cubs in a game this season. References to the New York Giants tradition aren't a PR problem in San Francisco. Even in Oakland, there are references celebrating the Philadelphia A's and their championships at their ballpark. Willie Mays remains the most popular player with the fans, and he holds a special place in the hearts of Giants fans and the Giants franchise. He is more than just a great former local player. Cepeda and McCovey also have statues. McCovey even has the cove in the Bay beyond right field named for him. But the statue where you regularly see parents holding babies to have their picture taken in front of it, the statue where you see people milling around when the team isn't in town, is the Willie Mays statue. When the 1962 team was introduced in pregame ceremonies not long ago, there was thunderous applause for everyone, but when Willie Mays was introduced at the end, the applause was not only louder, but it began soon enough so that it drowned out his name over the public address system.

I expect that when there eventually is a funeral for Willie Mays, if it comes during the baseball season, it will be scheduled on a day when the entire team can (and will attend). And it will be televised live on Comcast.

Maybe they would, for his sake I hope they do attend his funeral. But he's never been close to the team like Pesky was and thats why theres a difference. He makes appearances but thats about it.

The Giants are actually one of the few teams who do a good job of paying tribute to their roots. But Willie Mays back in the 60's wasn't the fan favorite because alot of fans liked the fact that Cepeda and McCovey were home grown and Mays came from NY. When Mays wore his NY hat to some big game in SF some fans and management took it as a kind of dis loyalty to the city of SF. Again it wasn't a big deal but to some it was.

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 02:19 PM
And I'm glad you cited a well-reasoned, level-headed response to it. Which was basically, "So what? Nothing to see here."

Why do you keep posting if theres nothing to see? Is the "What color should I paint my living room thread getting boring."

kittle42
08-24-2012, 02:22 PM
Why do you keep posting if theres nothing to see? Is the "What color should I paint my living room thread getting boring."

It was explained earlier in this thread what the difference is between a thread of this type and one like "Breaking Bad Season 5." Do we need to re-hash it?

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 02:38 PM
It was explained earlier in this thread what the difference is between a thread of this type and one like "Breaking Bad Season 5." Do we need to re-hash it?

I don't really see what the problem with this thread is. I mean it made headline news. I can see where alot of people don't care though. I guess I thought it was strange only 4 players attended his funeral. He really was like a grandfather type to alot of the players in Boston. I was looking at their team after I posted this and there are alot of newer players who probably didn't even know him though.

SoxandtheCityTee
08-24-2012, 02:59 PM
I don't really see what the problem with this thread is. I mean it made headline news. I can see where alot of people don't care though. I guess I thought it was strange only 4 players attended his funeral. He really was like a grandfather type to alot of the players in Boston. I was looking at their team after I posted this and there are alot of newer players who probably didn't even know him though.

You did nothing wrong in posting this. I understand you completely, but still recommend that you just let it go. The "we do not approve this message" posts will always be with us, and the tone will get snarkier and snarkier.

And yes, if there is still a Bulls team when MJ goes -- may it be long years from now -- players will be at his funeral. They'll know it's the guy whose statue is outside the UC and someone will mention what he did for the NBA. Don't know if he's an apt comparison to Pesky for that reason, but then I don't care.

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 03:14 PM
You did nothing wrong in posting this. I understand you completely, but still recommend that you just let it go. The "we do not approve this message" posts will always be with us, and the tone will get snarkier and snarkier.

And yes, if there is still a Bulls team when MJ goes -- may it be long years from now -- players will be at his funeral. They'll know it's the guy whose statue is outside the UC and someone will mention what he did for the NBA. Don't know if he's an apt comparison to Pesky for that reason, but then I don't care.

Agreed, thanks for the input.

TommyGavinFloyd
08-24-2012, 03:17 PM
I thank you for making this thread because it was a story I hadn't heard about until I saw it here. Good work.

kittle42
08-24-2012, 04:06 PM
Never did I say this thread shouldn't be made.

How did this become that? It's like playing a ****ing game of telephone.

I said that I think whether current team players show up to a former player's funeral is irrelevant (and certainly not some blight on their character in and of itself).

If I didn't say that clearly enough before, I'm sorry. There it is.

seventyseven
08-24-2012, 04:12 PM
I don't put wrong on the Red Sox players for not going, but it does say something about a team when they do go as a group -- ex: Hawks as a team decided to show up announced to Dale Tallon's father's funeral.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-12-15/sports/0812140296_1_big-macs-happy-meals-hawks

kittle42
08-24-2012, 04:50 PM
I don't put wrong on the Red Sox players for not going, but it does say something about a team when they do go as a group -- ex: Hawks as a team decided to show up announced to Dale Tallon's father's funeral.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-12-15/sports/0812140296_1_big-macs-happy-meals-hawks

Can't disagree.

TDog
08-24-2012, 07:26 PM
Maybe they would, for his sake I hope they do attend his funeral. But he's never been close to the team like Pesky was and thats why theres a difference. He makes appearances but thats about it.

The Giants are actually one of the few teams who do a good job of paying tribute to their roots. But Willie Mays back in the 60's wasn't the fan favorite because alot of fans liked the fact that Cepeda and McCovey were home grown and Mays came from NY. When Mays wore his NY hat to some big game in SF some fans and management took it as a kind of dis loyalty to the city of SF. Again it wasn't a big deal but to some it was.

It's irrelevant who the fan favorite was in the 1960s, and I don't know enough about that to comment. Cepeda, though, played more than half of his career for teams other than the Giants and was a Cardinal by the end of the 1960s. I have read biographies of Ted Williams and it seems quite apparent that Johnny Pesky was more popular than Ted Williams. But Ted Williams' death hit Boston and the country much harder and his funeral was a much bigger deal.

When I went to White Sox games in the early part of this century (driving down from Wisconsin), I heard from a lot of White Sox fans who didn't like Frank Thomas. I suspect such sentiments today are harder to find. I have never heard anything negative in about five years in Northern California said of Willie Mays, but I have talked to men older than I who teared up when telling me their Willie Mays stories. That was even true when I went to spring training games in Scottsdale in the 1990s.

And, I should have pointed out that I beleive the aggressive Giants' PR department will assure that the team, current and former players, will show great, perhaps over-the-top reverence to the memory of Willie Mays. The Red Sox didn't, couldn't or woudn't do more for Johnny Pesky.

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 08:08 PM
It's irrelevant who the fan favorite was in the 1960s, and I don't know enough about that to comment. Cepeda, though, played more than half of his career for teams other than the Giants and was a Cardinal by the end of the 1960s. I have read biographies of Ted Williams and it seems quite apparent that Johnny Pesky was more popular than Ted Williams. But Ted Williams' death hit Boston and the country much harder and his funeral was a much bigger deal.

When I went to White Sox games in the early part of this century (driving down from Wisconsin), I heard from a lot of White Sox fans who didn't like Frank Thomas. I suspect such sentiments today are harder to find. I have never heard anything negative in about five years in Northern California said of Willie Mays, but I have talked to men older than I who teared up when telling me their Willie Mays stories. That was even true when I went to spring training games in Scottsdale in the 1990s.

And, I should have pointed out that I beleive the aggressive Giants' PR department will assure that the team, current and former players, will show great, perhaps over-the-top reverence to the memory of Willie Mays. The Red Sox didn't, couldn't or woudn't do more for Johnny Pesky.

Ted Williams didn't have a funeral he was frozen. The Redsox honored him at a game though, I don't want to get into a who's right or wrong deal here. Willie Mays is by all means liked by alot of fans in SF but lets be honest he's a bit of a jerk and he never was too nice to fans out there and you can say i'm wrong but it's the truth. As far as the Giants PR Department if they do make Willie Mays funeral mandatory thats up to them but I have to agree with previous posters you really shouldn't have to go to a funeral if you don't want too. I still think it's a shame more Redsox players didn't show up for Pesky though.

The case for Johnny Pesky is alot different than Willie Mays. Willie Mays is nowhere as close to the Giants players as Pesky was with the Redsox.

DSpivack
08-24-2012, 08:12 PM
Ted Williams didn't have a funeral he was frozen. The Redsox honored him at a game though, I don't want to get into a who's right or wrong deal here. Willie Mays is by all means liked by alot of fans in SF but lets be honest he's a bit of a jerk and he never was too nice to fans out there and you can say i'm wrong but it's the truth. As far as the Giants PR Department if they do make Willie Mays funeral mandatory thats up to them but I have to agree with previous posters you really shouldn't have to go to a funeral if you don't want too. I still think it's a shame more Redsox players didn't show up for Pesky though.

The case for Johnny Pesky is alot different than Willie Mays. Willie Mays is nowhere as close to the Giants players as Pesky was.

Huh?

chicagowhitesox1
08-24-2012, 08:20 PM
Huh?

I re-edited it. Willie mays was nowhere as close to Giants players as Pesky was to Redsox players.

Vernam
08-24-2012, 09:02 PM
I re-edited it. Willie mays was nowhere as close to Giants players as Pesky was to Redsox players.

RIP Willie Mays? Nah, that would probably deserve its own thread. Or maybe he just stopped hanging around with players less than half his age who have no respect for their elders or appreciation for the game.

Vernam

PeteWard
08-25-2012, 03:58 AM
I'd rather go to a bowling party than a funeral.

Solution: Have the funeral at a bowling alley. :gulp:

chicagowhitesox1
08-25-2012, 04:47 AM
Solution: Have the funeral at a bowling alley. :gulp:

Yeah real classy. I bet Peskys family would have been happy if that happened. I'm not from Boston but to make a remark like this is classless. Johnny Pesky was a WW2 vet who more than likely lost being inducted into the Hall Of Fame for fighting for our country. But yeah a bowling alley seems like a great place for his funeral. Quit drinking those Keystones Lights before you make a comment like this.

I don't mean to offend you so much so I apologize now.

kittle42
08-25-2012, 04:58 AM
Yeah real classy. I bet Peskys family would have been happy if that happened. I'm not from Boston but to make a remark like this is classless. Johnny Pesky was a WW2 vet who more than likely lost being inducted into the Hall Of Fame for fighting for our country. But yeah a bowling alley seems like a great place for his funeral. Quit drinking those Keystones Lights before you make a comment like this.

I don't mean to offend you so much so I apologize now.

They should have the wedding at a VFW bowling alley, then. Problem solved.

chicagowhitesox1
08-25-2012, 05:09 AM
They should have the wedding at a VFW bowling alley, then. Problem solved.

I'm sure Pesky may have had VFW members show up to his funeral and maybe if he was a bowler his bowling pals attended but unlike you and the previous poster they would have preferred a funeral somewhere else besides a bowling alley or VFW. Thats kinda how most vets are. Which I have no doubt either of you probably were.

Not so sorry if I offended you.

kittle42
08-25-2012, 05:40 AM
I'm sure Pesky may have had VFW members show up to his funeral and maybe if he was a bowler his bowling pals attended but unlike you and the previous poster they would have preferred a funeral somewhere else besides a bowling alley or VFW. Thats kinda how most vets are. Which I have no doubt either of you probably were.

Not so sorry if I offended you.

I personally don't ever want a funeral, but if I were to tell someone to have one for me, it would be at Chuck E. Cheese. My coffin would be set up like a skee-ball machine. There would be great prizes for exemplary skill. I'm not sure how many members of my 16 inch softball team would show, but I would certainly hope ill was spoken of those who did not.

chicagowhitesox1
08-25-2012, 06:04 AM
So your sarcasm was directed at who? I respect your view of not wanting to attend a funeral but to make light of Pesky is a bit out of line. I'm sure your a good guy but cmon sarcasm or not Johnny Pesky deserves more than that. Maybe if you looked up guys like Cecil Travis you would think twice about making inappropriate comments. I have a feeling your from the Ninendo generation.

doublem23
08-25-2012, 06:12 AM
I personally don't ever want a funeral, but if I were to tell someone to have one for me, it would be at Chuck E. Cheese. My coffin would be set up like a skee-ball machine. There would be great prizes for exemplary skill. I'm not sure how many members of my 16 inch softball team would show, but I would certainly hope ill was spoken of those who did not.

I would only go to a Chuck E Cheese funeral if they catered in the food

chicagowhitesox1
08-25-2012, 06:42 AM
I would only go to a Chuck E Cheese funeral if they catered in the food

i'm guessing anyone with over 10,000 posts here agrees with you.

Frater Perdurabo
08-25-2012, 08:30 AM
I would only go to a Chuck E Cheese funeral if they catered in the food

Chipotle burritos with double meat?

When I die, I want my ashes shot from a cannon shaped like a fist with two thumbs.

SephClone89
08-25-2012, 08:35 AM
I have a feeling your from the Ninendo generation.

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Railsplitter
08-25-2012, 09:24 AM
For what it's worth (maybe nothing!), I note that I've sung with the choir for funeral masses at my parish. And I don't recall funerals of those who lived into their 90s drawing many persons, for well-understood reasons (e.g., the deceased have outlived nearly all their generation, and a good number of their children's generation). I do recall a funeral of a very old federal judge drawing a bit of a crowd, but that crowd was older as well. I've never thought the sparsely-attended funerals of 90-somethings meant they weren't as "respected" in their lives as younger persons who had better-attended funerals.

And apparently even the Boston Herald column (http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1061155131) stoking outrage on this quoted a Red Sox spokesman as saying, “Between the ownership, front office, current players and staff, and former players, we were well represented by the people who knew Johnny best.”

Indeed.
When my grandmother died in May of last year she was 97. She had outlived my grandfather by nearly 20 years, as well as all the couple's siblings. In fact any one cousin from my dad's generation was able to make the funeral.

kittle42
08-25-2012, 10:38 AM
So your sarcasm was directed at who? I respect your view of not wanting to attend a funeral but to make light of Pesky is a bit out of line. I'm sure your a good guy but cmon sarcasm or not Johnny Pesky deserves more than that. Maybe if you looked up guys like Cecil Travis you would think twice about making inappropriate comments. I have a feeling your from the Ninendo generation.

Hey, you finally got the sarcasm!

I'm making light of your comments, not of Johnny Pesky, who I am sure was a fine gent in baseball circles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Travis

No, I'd make the same comments regardless. He also seems like an admirable person, I will say.

Warning: off-topic grammar issue - it's "you're." I am also from the generation that is generally destroying this nation's use of the English language, but thank you for showing it spans all generations!

Methinks you're off point.

kittle42
08-25-2012, 10:40 AM
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Watch out, Seph - only 5,300 more posts until you want to come to Chuck E. Cheese with me and doubs!

SephClone89
08-25-2012, 10:58 AM
Hey, you finally got the sarcasm!

I'm making light of your comments, not of Johnny Pesky, who I am sure was a fine gent in baseball circles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Travis

No, I'd make the same comments regardless. He also seems like an admirable person, I will say.

Warning: off-topic grammar issue - it's "you're." I am also from the generation that is generally destroying this nation's use of the English language, but thank you for showing it spans all generations!

Methinks you're off point.

Judging by your profiles, the two of you actually are not too far apart in terms of age...

kittle42
08-26-2012, 01:21 AM
Judging by your profiles, the two of you actually are not too far apart in terms of age...

Must admit I am totally surprised. I would have guessed we were 25+ years apart.

Why would someone from the Nintendo generation himself call me out for being from the Nintendo generation?

Hitmen77
08-26-2012, 02:56 PM
Never did I say this thread shouldn't be made.

How did this become that? It's like playing a ****ing game of telephone.

I said that I think whether current team players show up to a former player's funeral is irrelevant (and certainly not some blight on their character in and of itself).

If I didn't say that clearly enough before, I'm sorry. There it is.


"We'll show him! Especially for that purple monkey, dishwasher remark!"