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gosox41
08-18-2012, 03:17 PM
Everyone else seems to. The guy has a 5.66 ERA on this year. Take out his starts against the Sox and it approaching 6.

So why can't the Sox make the necessary adjustments to hit this guy. Seriously, it's ridiculous. Sure some pitchers may have a teams number, but the Sox consistently face better pitchers day in and day out.

Does anyone consider Bruce Chen even average as a ML starting pitcher? I don't.
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It's a shame Sox hitters haven't figured him out and made necessary adjustments. Do we need to play more small ball against him and bunt and steal bases more? Sitting Dunn might be a start. Do we need an all lefty line up. All righty? Should they do shots before the game?

What gives with the Sox and being able to hit Chen? It's frustrating. Even more frustrating after Mendoza baffled us for the second time in a row yesterday against our ace.


Bob

kittle42
08-18-2012, 03:24 PM
Do this:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...pitching::none (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA201207130.shtml#KansasCityRoyalspitching::none)

DumpJerry
08-18-2012, 03:32 PM
Do this:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...pitching::none (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA201207130.shtml#KansasCityRoyalspitching::none)
Stop messing up a perfectly good rant with facts.

kittle42
08-18-2012, 03:38 PM
Plus it was just 5 weeks ago.

It's absolutely amazing how humans are able to completely ignore anything contrary to a belief when the belief is established.

Lip Man 1
08-18-2012, 05:23 PM
Chen I think is 4-1 in his last five starts against the Sox....that also says something.

Good question, gosox....why did the Sox have such issues in the Metrodome, Oakland, Toronto for so many years?

Why do they seem to have so much trouble against soft tossing, junkballers??

I can't answer other than I think when something like this happens, it starts to feed on itself and it becomes a mental issue for the players...not saying it's even a conscious issue but something happens.

Confidence at the big league level is huge, players are human, I'm sure at times they start to get frustrated, doubt themselves and make matters worse.

Hell after Chen beat them a few weeks ago even Hawk angeridly called him, "Cy ****ing Chen" as he was leaving the press box according to Gonzo.

For the last decade the Sox have basically had an "all of nothing" mindset approach to hitting, that feeds right into what garbage pitchers like Chen try to do...frustrate the Sox and let them get themselves out.

Lip

sullythered
08-18-2012, 05:40 PM
Chen I think is 4-1 in his last five starts against the Sox....that also says something.

Good question, gosox....why did the Sox have such issues in the Metrodome, Oakland, Toronto for so many years?

Why do they seem to have so much trouble against soft tossing, junkballers??

I can't answer other than I think when something like this happens, it starts to feed on itself and it becomes a mental issue for the players...not saying it's even a conscious issue but something happens.

Confidence at the big league level is huge, players are human, I'm sure at times they start to get frustrated, doubt themselves and make matters worse.

Hell after Chen beat them a few weeks ago even Hawk angeridly called him, "Cy ****ing Chen" as he was leaving the press box according to Gonzo.

For the last decade the Sox have basically had an "all of nothing" mindset approach to hitting, that feeds right into what garbage pitchers like Chen try to do...frustrate the Sox and let them get themselves out.

Lip
A quick look at the numbers doesn't show the Sox as "all or nothing." They're middle of the pack in batting average, On base pct, and strikeouts. They hit a lot of home runs. That's all.

FielderJones
08-18-2012, 06:55 PM
For the last decade the Sox have basically had an "all of nothing" mindset approach to hitting, that feeds right into what garbage pitchers like Chen try to do...frustrate the Sox and let them get themselves out.

That era is over. It's Mantoball now. Rios standing up straighter, hands higher, etc.

PalehosePlanet
08-18-2012, 07:22 PM
Plus it was just 5 weeks ago.

It's absolutely amazing how humans are able to completely ignore anything contrary to a belief when the belief is established.

With all due respect that game was the exception and not the norm, he came back to beat us yet again just a couple of weeks ago.

SI1020
08-18-2012, 07:30 PM
On the first pitch tonite Hawk called him "Cy" Chen. The facts are in recent years Chen has had good success against the Sox, especially in Chicago. Hopefully the game on July 13 means things will be different from here on out. There was no need to rip the OP.

Nelfox02
08-18-2012, 07:53 PM
8 in a row and counting so far tonight......jeez

GoSox2K3
08-18-2012, 08:02 PM
Do this:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...pitching::none (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA201207130.shtml#KansasCityRoyalspitching::none)

...and then follow that up with this (item #3):

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/outlier

GoSox2K3
08-18-2012, 08:02 PM
The Royals pitchers must be on par with the 90s Braves rotation the way they shut down the Sox. Too bad nobody told the Tigers that the Royals really don't suck.

guillensdisciple
08-18-2012, 08:17 PM
I think that's 11 in a row

russ99
08-18-2012, 10:52 PM
Sox hitters primarily are fastball hitters, and most are pull hitters. They're overly aggressive at the plate, (Manto's philosophy) don't have the patience to stretch an at bat, are always behind the count, and rarely go the other way with a breaking pitch.

This is why soft-tossing junk all pitchers kill us.

gosox41
08-18-2012, 11:06 PM
Do this:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...pitching::none (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA201207130.shtml#KansasCityRoyalspitching::none)



I did. Now do this and check out the bottom portion where it shows stats against teams. Add that to his numbers this year and he has flat out shut us down if 6n of his last 7 starts.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=chenbr01&year=2011&t=p


Bob

kittle42
08-18-2012, 11:42 PM
Well, I kinda posted that for wishful thinking's sake!

Nellie_Fox
08-19-2012, 01:23 AM
Sox hitters primarily are fastball hitters, and most are pull hitters. They're overly aggressive at the plate, (Manto's philosophy) don't have the patience to stretch an at bat, are always behind the count, and rarely go the other way with a breaking pitch.

This is why soft-tossing junk all pitchers kill us.Wait, last year we were told this was Walker's philosophy.

Over By There
08-19-2012, 09:18 AM
Even KC realizes how absurd this has gotten - this tweet was sent by a writer from anther site last might (not sure if I'm allowed to reference other Sox fan sites):

The Royals pregame show just called Bruce Chen their "White Sox specialist". I laughed heartily.

amsteel
08-19-2012, 12:35 PM
If you're the Tigers would you consider picking up Chen for 2 starts against the Sox?

Patrick134
08-19-2012, 12:41 PM
If you're the Tigers would you consider picking up Chen for 2 starts against the Sox?

No. If I was the Tigers, I would pick up Bruce Chen, and continuously trade him and get him back to trade him to whatever team the Sox are playing every 5th day.

kittle42
08-19-2012, 12:56 PM
If you're the Tigers would you consider picking up Chen for 2 starts against the Sox?

Didn't some team do this just a few years back? I don't think it was to face the Sox, but I seem to recall it at least being an AL team - a so-so pitcher was acquired in September (and thus postseason ineligible) just to face a team he had dominated.

SpartanSoxFan
08-19-2012, 05:02 PM
I would like to watch a few of those games again and look closely at the actual at-bats the Sox hitters had against Chen. Yes, self-confidence is important, but if you try something and it doesn't work, don't just blindly do the same thing again and expect different results!!! Take a few pitches, then swing the bat, DO SOMETHING to take him out of his comfort zone. All too often it seems like when the Sox struggle offensively, they simply tip their cap to the pitcher and expect that it was a fluke and won't happen again. Then once reality sets in in the next meeting and the players realize that maybe that performance wasn't a fluke, they freeze up mentally and physically.

SpartanSoxFan
08-19-2012, 05:03 PM
No. If I was the Tigers, I would pick up Bruce Chen, and continuously trade him and get him back to trade him to whatever team the Sox are playing every 5th day.

Nicely done. Thank you for putting a smile on my face on this dreary Sox weekend.

Lip Man 1
08-19-2012, 05:19 PM
It was a relief pitcher. I think the Red Sox got him for the final series of the year (with the Yankees?) He was left handed as I remember.

Was it Mike Stanton??????????????

Lip

WLL1855
08-20-2012, 06:38 PM
"We should've got the live chicken." - Willie Mays Hayes

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DSpivack
08-20-2012, 09:43 PM
It was a relief pitcher. I think the Red Sox got him for the final series of the year (with the Yankees?) He was left handed as I remember.

Was it Mike Stanton??????????????

Lip

He didn't start, but good memory. Pitched one inning in the penultimate game for the Red Sox in 2005 vs the Yankees. He pitched one scoreless after Wakefield got bombed.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200510010.shtml