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doublem23
08-05-2012, 01:21 PM
The youth movement continues

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-cubs/cubs-talk/Cubs-promote-Jackson-Vitters?blockID=751719&feedID=661&awid=6786098082900317298-915

Goose
08-05-2012, 03:44 PM
IF Baker goes to the Tigers.

I did not see in the article who they gave up for him. Anyone know?

doublem23
08-05-2012, 04:45 PM
IF Baker goes to the Tigers.

I did not see in the article who they gave up for him. Anyone know?

Pretty sure it's PTBNL

CubKilla
08-06-2012, 01:22 AM
THE Josh Vitters?

SephClone89
08-06-2012, 08:45 AM
IF Baker goes to the Tigers.

I did not see in the article who they gave up for him. Anyone know?

Pretty sure it's PTBNL

Yep, Trib this morning says two PTBNL.

DrCrawdad
08-06-2012, 11:05 AM
MiLB whiff rates:
Viciedo 19%
Dunn 33%
Brett Jackson 39% (this season)

Steelrod
08-06-2012, 12:03 PM
I thought that there was only one god!

DrCrawdad
08-06-2012, 12:06 PM
I thought that there was only one god!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Todd_Rundgren_at_Revolution_Live_%28cropped%29.jpg/220px-Todd_Rundgren_at_Revolution_Live_%28cropped%29.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Rundgren)

CoopaLoop
08-07-2012, 01:03 AM
4 k's for Jackson tonight. Couldn't see that coming taking a look at his minor league numbers.

DrCrawdad
08-07-2012, 11:50 PM
The youth movement continues

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-cubs/cubs-talk/Cubs-promote-Jackson-Vitters?blockID=751719&feedID=661&awid=6786098082900317298-915

2012 The Cubbies White Flag Season.

Mohoney
08-08-2012, 12:48 AM
Jackson should have played out the season in the minors and got his shot next year. He was foolishly rushed.

As for Vitters, he should be up at the big league level now. He probably should have been up a month ago. They need to see if he shows any potential to hit at the major league level, because if he doesn't, Theo might have to go another way at 3B.

I think that Vitters' clock strikes midnight if he doesn't hit in August and September.

CoopaLoop
08-11-2012, 12:01 PM
2012 The Cubbies White Flag Season.

This wasn't ever supposed to be a competitive season, how is it a white flag?

SephClone89
08-11-2012, 01:37 PM
This wasn't ever supposed to be a competitive season, how is it a white flag?

Yup.

I was actually at Wrigley yesterday--first time in about eight years. my mom is a Cubs fan and my aunt couldn't use her (pretty good) seats so I went with her. She's been to plenty of Sox games and I was free all day.

Not a pretty game defensively or on the basepaths, and Vitters and Jackson both look lost, understandably.

I was bummed that Votto still isn't back, but at least the Cub made a charge so I could see Chapman.

On the Red Line back we talked to a guy from New York who was taking his son (probably 5-6) on a baseball trip. Over the last week they saw a game in Pittsburgh, one in Cleveland, two of the Yankees-Tigers games in Detroit, and did the Red Line doubleheader yesterday. Pretty cool.

CoopaLoop
08-11-2012, 03:15 PM
Yup.

I was actually at Wrigley yesterday--first time in about eight years. my mom is a Cubs fan and my aunt couldn't use her (pretty good) seats so I went with her. She's been to plenty of Sox games and I was free all day.

Not a pretty game defensively or on the basepaths, and Vitters and Jackson both look lost, understandably.

I was bummed that Votto still isn't back, but at least the Cub made a charge so I could see Chapman.

On the Red Line back we talked to a guy from New York who was taking his son (probably 5-6) on a baseball trip. Over the last week they saw a game in Pittsburgh, one in Cleveland, two of the Yankees-Tigers games in Detroit, and did the Red Line doubleheader yesterday. Pretty cool.

I wanted to go to this series just to see him live. He is ridiculous. I hope he is in the rotation next season.

TheVulture
08-11-2012, 04:31 PM
I thought that there was only one god!
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h184/pinzo/apu.jpg

By the many arms of Vishnu, I swear it is a lie.

DrCrawdad
08-11-2012, 06:09 PM
This wasn't ever supposed to be a competitive season, how is it a white flag?

"The white flag is an internationally recognized protective sign of truce or ceasefire, and request for negotiation. It is also used to symbolize surrender, since it is often the weaker military party which requests negotiation..."

Declaring that you have given up and in their case before the start if the season, Isn't that the very epitome of raising a white flag?

The NL Central is not some impossibly difficult division to win. Given the Cubs resources, the money they have the Cubs should always be able to field a team with talent enough to contend.

CoopaLoop
08-11-2012, 08:39 PM
"The white flag is an internationally recognized protective sign of truce or ceasefire, and request for negotiation. It is also used to symbolize surrender, since it is often the weaker military party which requests negotiation..."

Declaring that you have given up and in their case before the start if the season, Isn't that the very epitome of raising a white flag?

The NL Central is not some impossibly difficult division to win. Given the Cubs resources, the money they have the Cubs should always be able to field a team with talent enough to contend.

They are rebuilding lol.

DrCrawdad
08-11-2012, 08:44 PM
They are rebuilding lol.

Yes, since 1908.

CoopaLoop
08-11-2012, 10:00 PM
And you're one of those...

I notice you didn't attempt to rebut my comment other than a trite "theyre rebuilding". Well no fecal matter. But as I said they completely white flagged this season. They are not the Pittsburgh Pirates nor the White Sox with the resources they have at their disposal.

There was nothing to rebut.

A white flag is like what the White Sox did within striking distance of the Indians.

The Cubs are tearing down what failed and rebuilding. The resources they had led to all the bad money Theo and Jed are trying to recover from.

DrCrawdad
08-11-2012, 10:59 PM
There was nothing to rebut.

A white flag is like what the White Sox did within striking distance of the Indians.

The Cubs are tearing down what failed and rebuilding. The resources they had led to all the bad money Theo and Jed are trying to recover from.

The Sox surrendered at a mid point in the season and decided to rebuild. That's a white flag to you.

The Cubbies surrendered before a pitch was thrown and decided to rebuild Thats not a white flag to you.

kittle42
08-12-2012, 12:57 PM
Everything the Cubs do is horrible and wrong. There is absolutely no way to look at them objectively or ever give them credit for anything. Even if they somehow won the World Series one year, it would probably be tainted or at least be the least convincing World Series win ever. When they score a run, it should only count for a half a run, because I am sure something is wrong with it.

Oh, and if Epstein had decided to try to pseudo-compete this year because he "has the resources," and failed, then he should have just rebuilt from day one! And if he rebuilt from day one, then he should have tried to compete! What a quitter and a blight upon baseball itself!

And, if a Sox fan in any way speaks objectively about the Cubs or - heaven forbid - ever *defends* an action of any Cubs player, executive, coach, vendor, ticket-taker, etc., they bleed the Cubbie blue, drink the Kool-Aid, are probably fake Sox fans, need to pick an allegiance, and, well, let's stop mincing words, should probably just go move to Europe and watch soccer. It is inconceivable that a White Sox fan could ever, ever give credit to or comment even mildly positively upon anything related to the Cubs. If they do, there is definitely something there to be criticized, investigated, and called out. For shame.

:happybday

doublem23
08-12-2012, 12:59 PM
The Sox surrendered at a mid point in the season and decided to rebuild. That's a white flag to you.

The Cubbies surrendered before a pitch was thrown and decided to rebuild Thats not a white flag to you.

I don't think you understand what the term "white flag" means.

aryzner
08-12-2012, 01:37 PM
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Moses_Scurry
08-12-2012, 01:42 PM
Everything the Cubs do is horrible and wrong. There is absolutely no way to look at them objectively or ever give them credit for anything. Even if they somehow won the World Series one year, it would probably be tainted or at least be the least convincing World Series win ever. When they score a run, it should only count for a half a run, because I am sure something is wrong with it.

Oh, and if Epstein had decided to try to pseudo-compete this year because he "has the resources," and failed, then he should have just rebuilt from day one! And if he rebuilt from day one, then he should have tried to compete! What a quitter and a blight upon baseball itself!

And, if a Sox fan in any way speaks objectively about the Cubs or - heaven forbid - ever *defends* an action of any Cubs player, executive, coach, vendor, ticket-taker, etc., they bleed the Cubbie blue, drink the Kool-Aid, are probably fake Sox fans, need to pick an allegiance, and, well, let's stop mincing words, should probably just go move to Europe and watch soccer. It is inconceivable that a White Sox fan could ever, ever give credit to or comment even mildly positively upon anything related to the Cubs. If they do, there is definitely something there to be criticized, investigated, and called out. For shame.

:happybday

Finally someone has it right!

DrCrawdad
08-12-2012, 03:22 PM
Everything the Cubs do is horrible and wrong. There is absolutely no way to look at them objectively or ever give them credit for anything. Even if they somehow won the World Series one year, it would probably be tainted or at least be the least convincing World Series win ever. When they score a run, it should only count for a half a run, because I am sure something is wrong with it.

Oh, and if Epstein had decided to try to pseudo-compete this year because he "has the resources," and failed, then he should have just rebuilt from day one! And if he rebuilt from day one, then he should have tried to compete! What a quitter and a blight upon baseball itself!

And, if a Sox fan in any way speaks objectively about the Cubs or - heaven forbid - ever *defends* an action of any Cubs player, executive, coach, vendor, ticket-taker, etc., they bleed the Cubbie blue, drink the Kool-Aid, are probably fake Sox fans, need to pick an allegiance, and, well, let's stop mincing words, should probably just go move to Europe and watch soccer. It is inconceivable that a White Sox fan could ever, ever give credit to or comment even mildly positively upon anything related to the Cubs. If they do, there is definitely something there to be criticized, investigated, and called out. For shame.

:happybday

What a mixture of hyperbole & simplistic generalizations.

Your first paragraph is true of many Cubbie fans. Consider their reactions to the Sox World Series Title of 2005.

You'll find a lot more balance here at WSI about the Cubbies than you'll correspondingly see when the Sox are discussed on Cubbie discussion groups. It's odd here at WSI though that points critical of the Cubbies get pummeled as often does the poster.

Balanced, reasonable discussion is helped without ad hominen attacks. Discuss the point, not the person.

kittle42
08-12-2012, 05:31 PM
Balanced, reasonable discussion is helped without ad hominen attacks. Discuss the point, not the person.

I was discussing your points.

guillensdisciple
08-12-2012, 06:39 PM
This reminds me of the 100th episode of South Park where the pro war and anti war parts of the city were arguing the merits of each side and the pro war guy said:

"If you don't like America you can geeeet ouuuuu" in a really really funny tone.

I feel like it should be

"If you don't like the White Sox, you can geeeeet ouuuu" due to these awesome threads

DrCrawdad
08-12-2012, 08:06 PM
I was discussing your points.

:rolleyes:

CoopaLoop
08-12-2012, 11:20 PM
Everything the Cubs do is horrible and wrong. There is absolutely no way to look at them objectively or ever give them credit for anything. Even if they somehow won the World Series one year, it would probably be tainted or at least be the least convincing World Series win ever. When they score a run, it should only count for a half a run, because I am sure something is wrong with it.

Oh, and if Epstein had decided to try to pseudo-compete this year because he "has the resources," and failed, then he should have just rebuilt from day one! And if he rebuilt from day one, then he should have tried to compete! What a quitter and a blight upon baseball itself!

And, if a Sox fan in any way speaks objectively about the Cubs or - heaven forbid - ever *defends* an action of any Cubs player, executive, coach, vendor, ticket-taker, etc., they bleed the Cubbie blue, drink the Kool-Aid, are probably fake Sox fans, need to pick an allegiance, and, well, let's stop mincing words, should probably just go move to Europe and watch soccer. It is inconceivable that a White Sox fan could ever, ever give credit to or comment even mildly positively upon anything related to the Cubs. If they do, there is definitely something there to be criticized, investigated, and called out. For shame.

:happybday

:rolling: Excellent.

kittle42
08-13-2012, 09:31 AM
:rolleyes:

If some folks choose to be blind to their own hatred of all things Cubs and to see how it pretty much invalidates a lot of what might be otherwise good points, that's fine. I used to be like that pre-2005, too. It's OK. There may be support groups.

SI1020
08-13-2012, 09:51 PM
A long time ago the rivalry was competitive but for the most part if not friendly, at least civil. It also used to be true that lots of people considered themselves "Chicago" fans and would pull for both teams while having one they considered a favorite. It also may shock some but I remember massive defections in the late 60s in response to the suddenly lowly Sox almost leaving town, and the 5 future HOFers on the Leo Durocher Cubs. To me the real turning point was 1984 when the surprising Cubs won the NL East, (before tanking against the Padres of course) and you could see that whole Wrigleyville thing in its infancy. It was obvious that there was no longer any semblance of objectivity in the media. The radio show The Sportswriters, on WGN voiced open contempt for the Sox often. So gradually over time the sands of fortune have shifted in favor of the Cubs for a variety of business and demographic reasons. Wilson, Swift, Armour and the Stockyards are gone. The International Amphitheatre is but a fading memory. So are the steel mills and factories. Every now and then a poster here will wax nostalgic for the old Chicago Cardinals. They're all gone but the Sox remain firmly entrenched on a depleted south side. For me it's now about survival. These are intense partisan times and the Cubs although stinking on the field have won the PR war. They can just go **** themselves for all I care. Y'all can bash DrCrawdad but I'm going to hang wiffem on this one. The Cubs and their sycophants can stuff it.

DSpivack
08-13-2012, 10:26 PM
A long time ago the rivalry was competitive but for the most part if not friendly, at least civil. It also used to be true that lots of people considered themselves "Chicago" fans and would pull for both teams while having one they considered a favorite. It also may shock some but I remember massive defections in the late 60s in response to the suddenly lowly Sox almost leaving town, and the 5 future HOFers on the Leo Durocher Cubs. To me the real turning point was 1984 when the surprising Cubs won the NL East, (before tanking against the Padres of course) and you could see that whole Wrigleyville thing in its infancy. It was obvious that there was no longer any semblance of objectivity in the media. The radio show The Sportswriters, on WGN voiced open contempt for the Sox often. So gradually over time the sands of fortune have shifted in favor of the Cubs for a variety of business and demographic reasons. Wilson, Swift, Armour and the Stockyards are gone. The International Amphitheatre is but a fading memory. So are the steel mills and factories. Every now and then a poster here will wax nostalgic for the old Chicago Cardinals. They're all gone but the Sox remain firmly entrenched on a depleted south side. For me it's now about survival. These are intense partisan times and the Cubs although stinking on the field have won the PR war. They can just go **** themselves for all I care. Y'all can bash DrCrawdad but I'm going to hang wiffem on this one. The Cubs and their sycophants can stuff it.

That first part is a good point. Both of my parents grew up in Rogers Park big baseball fans, and neither of them said they were a Cubs or Sox fan growing up. They loved to hope on the streetcar and the El to go to both parks in the summer. My dad absolutely loved baseball, whether that was going to Comiskey Park in the summer to watch Billy Pierce take on Whitey For; to Wrigley to watch Ernie Banks; taking me to the '93 ALCS and being surrounded by the Jays' wives; taking me to St. Louis in the 90s to watch Ray Lankford, Ron Gant and the Cardinals; or in going on numerous road trips and seeing baseball in Denver, Toronto, Detroit, San Francisco, and LA. Thus, I got instilled with a love of baseball, but not directed towards any one team. The White Sox love I developed on my own. :cool:

SI1020
08-13-2012, 10:48 PM
That first part is a good point. Both of my parents grew up in Rogers Park big baseball fans, and neither of them said they were a Cubs or Sox fan growing up. They loved to hope on the streetcar and the El to go to both parks in the summer. My dad absolutely loved baseball, whether that was going to Comiskey Park in the summer to watch Billy Pierce take on Whitey For; to Wrigley to watch Ernie Banks; taking me to the '93 ALCS and being surrounded by the Jays' wives; taking me to St. Louis in the 90s to watch Ray Lankford, Ron Gant and the Cardinals; or in going on numerous road trips and seeing baseball in Denver, Toronto, Detroit, San Francisco, and LA. Thus, I got instilled with a love of baseball, but not directed towards any one team. The White Sox love I developed on my own. :cool: Your dad must have been a really great guy. I believe your parents were born 5 or so years before me, but I can relate to all of that. It was much nicer back then, and a great experience for a kid to live in a city with two baseball teams. I was no stranger to Wrigley Field. Also, in case I came off as kind of an ******* or ogre, some of my most treasured baseball memorabilia was given to me by an old Cub fan who has gone to his reward. I loved hearing his stories about Hack Wilson and the really good Cub teams of the 20s and 30s. Things are nastier today and the advent of interleague play had made it more intense. In 2006 we were in Shea watching the Mets. In about the 7th inning above us in the upper deck some spirited Yankee and Mets fans were seriously brawling. The Mets were playing the Pirates that night. In any case my sympathies will always lie in favor of the Sox. To me they are truly the local underdog, and yes I hope they don't disappear like all the other south side institutions I mentioned previously.

DSpivack
08-13-2012, 11:20 PM
Your dad must have been a really great guy. I believe your parents were born 5 or so years before me, but I can relate to all of that. It was much nicer back then, and a great experience for a kid to live in a city with two baseball teams. I was no stranger to Wrigley Field. Also, in case I came off as kind of an ******* or ogre, some of my most treasured baseball memorabilia was given to me by an old Cub fan who has gone to his reward. I loved hearing his stories about Hack Wilson and the really good Cub teams of the 20s and 30s. Things are nastier today and the advent of interleague play had made it more intense. In 2006 we were in Shea watching the Mets. In about the 7th inning above us in the upper deck some spirited Yankee and Mets fans were seriously brawling. The Mets were playing the Pirates that night. In any case my sympathies will always lie in favor of the Sox. To me they are truly the local underdog, and yes I hope they don't disappear like all the other south side institutions I mentioned previously.

I do think things were much worse towards the beginning of interleague play than they are know. Whether that's because the novelty has worn off or because of 2005, I don't know. It does seem to me though that things were nastier in Chicago amongst interleague rivals than anywhere else. I don't get the sense that Yankees-Mets is that big a rivalry.

DrCrawdad
08-14-2012, 12:11 AM
A long time ago the rivalry was competitive but for the most part if not friendly, at least civil. It also used to be true that lots of people considered themselves "Chicago" fans and would pull for both teams while having one they considered a favorite. It also may shock some but I remember massive defections in the late 60s in response to the suddenly lowly Sox almost leaving town, and the 5 future HOFers on the Leo Durocher Cubs. To me the real turning point was 1984 when the surprising Cubs won the NL East, (before tanking against the Padres of course) and you could see that whole Wrigleyville thing in its infancy. It was obvious that there was no longer any semblance of objectivity in the media. The radio show The Sportswriters, on WGN voiced open contempt for the Sox often. So gradually over time the sands of fortune have shifted in favor of the Cubs for a variety of business and demographic reasons. Wilson, Swift, Armour and the Stockyards are gone. The International Amphitheatre is but a fading memory. So are the steel mills and factories. Every now and then a poster here will wax nostalgic for the old Chicago Cardinals. They're all gone but the Sox remain firmly entrenched on a depleted south side. For me it's now about survival. These are intense partisan times and the Cubs although stinking on the field have won the PR war. They can just go **** themselves for all I care. Y'all can bash DrCrawdad but I'm going to hang wiffem on this one. The Cubs and their sycophants can stuff it.

It's amazing to me, here at White Sox Interactive post critical or (god forbid) negative comments about the Cubs at your peril. You will get your head chopped off by the odd Cubbie Defenders and those who dislike "flubsession."

I can partly understand those obsessed with "flubsession," those who don't think there should be Cubs discussion on Sox site. I can see where they are coming from. However, The Cubbie Defenders are the odd lot to me. What a shock that Sox fans would bash the Cubbies on a Sox discussion site?

Try looking sometime at a Cubs discussion site. See if there are Cubs fans who patrol the site waiting to pounce on anti-Sox comments. You can bet if in the rare chance that might happen how quickly you'd be called a Sox fan. So get over the hypersensitivity for being called a Cubbie fan when you defend the Cubs, on a White Sox fan discussion site!

This is an unabashed White Sox fan site, bashing our neighbors to the north is not some phenomenon. They routinely bash us and then deny they do it. We do it and don't deny it. That's one of the many reasons I love my fellow Sox fans.

I posted an honest comment about the Cubs. Folks can disagree with the point, as some here have done, but notice how fast and furious the attacks were about me and quickly pushed my comment to the side so they could launch into their usual personal attacks.

For the record, I do not hate all things Cubs. I honestly admire several current and past Cubs players. I enjoy going to see a game every now and then at Wrigley. I didn't grow up hating the Cubs. They were foreign to me. They meant about as much to me as did the Cincinnati Reds. That said, some of my best friends are Cubs fans...

For my part, I truly want to follow my own words, "Balanced, reasonable discussion is helped without ad hominem attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). Discuss the point, not the person."

And finally, thanks SI1020 for the kind, supportive comments!

Bob Roarman
08-14-2012, 06:28 AM
Holy cheez-its. If we're so much better than Cubs fans, why the hell do we feel the need to stoop to such stupid insults like "Hurrr durr remember 1908 hahaha..." It has nothing to do with going out of the way to defend the Cubs or not liking the Sox, it's simply looking at things objectively. That's all it is.

Survival? This "battle" doesn't even really exist anymore, now more than ever it's just another series. The Chicago Cardinals, the stockyards, the International Amphitheatre, steel mills and factories disappearing has nothing, nothing to do with it. Nothing to do with it at all. This is ridiculous.

kittle42
08-14-2012, 11:19 AM
For the record, I do not hate all things Cubs. I honestly admire several current and past Cubs players. I enjoy going to see a game every now and then at Wrigley. I didn't grow up hating the Cubs. They were foreign to me. They meant about as much to me as did the Cincinnati Reds.

Really, that's all you had to say. Your posts consistently convey something else - a Hangar18-esque level of Cub hatred.

There are no "Cubbie Defenders." You have given yourself a false group to align against. There are merely Sox fans who are embarrassed by the perception that Sox fans are wrapped up in their hate for the Cubs. To that point, I do not care what Cubs fans do on their site - let them look like fools. We shouldn't.

I am not saying ignore them. I am not saying don't have them and the free pass they get from the media and their "fun-loving" non-Chicago fanbase. I'm saying don't make it look like every single thing the Cubs do needs to be torn apart and ridiculed. I just think it makes us as Sox fans look bad.

CoopaLoop
08-14-2012, 11:35 AM
It's amazing to me, here at White Sox Interactive post critical or (god forbid) negative comments about the Cubs at your peril. You will get your head chopped off by the odd Cubbie Defenders and those who dislike "flubsession."

I can partly understand those obsessed with "flubsession," those who don't think there should be Cubs discussion on Sox site. I can see where they are coming from. However, The Cubbie Defenders are the odd lot to me. What a shock that Sox fans would bash the Cubbies on a Sox discussion site?

Try looking sometime at a Cubs discussion site. See if there are Cubs fans who patrol the site waiting to pounce on anti-Sox comments. You can bet if in the rare chance that might happen how quickly you'd be called a Sox fan. So get over the hypersensitivity for being called a Cubbie fan when you defend the Cubs, on a White Sox fan discussion site!

This is an unabashed White Sox fan site, bashing our neighbors to the north is not some phenomenon. They routinely bash us and then deny they do it. We do it and don't deny it. That's one of the many reasons I love my fellow Sox fans.

I posted an honest comment about the Cubs. Folks can disagree with the point, as some here have done, but notice how fast and furious the attacks were about me and quickly pushed my comment to the side so they could launch into their usual personal attacks.

For the record, I do not hate all things Cubs. I honestly admire several current and past Cubs players. I enjoy going to see a game every now and then at Wrigley. I didn't grow up hating the Cubs. They were foreign to me. They meant about as much to me as did the Cincinnati Reds. That said, some of my best friends are Cubs fans...

For my part, I truly want to follow my own words, "Balanced, reasonable discussion is helped without ad hominem attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). Discuss the point, not the person."

And finally, thanks SI1020 for the kind, supportive comments!

I have only read a handful of posts since I have been here and I can tell you can't look at things objectively with the Cubs.

I love to bust balls with Cubs fans I know, but I got over my hatred for them a long time ago. I can make fun of them, but still talk about them objectively.

This season has been successful for the Cubs in the long term plan. Do you agree with that?

doublem23
08-14-2012, 11:37 AM
This season has been successful for the Cubs in the long term plan. Do you agree with that?

I think that is still yet to be seen

DrCrawdad
08-14-2012, 11:55 AM
I think that is still yet to be seen

I agree.

DrCrawdad
08-14-2012, 12:09 PM
Really, that's all you had to say. Your posts consistently convey something else - a Hangar18-esque level of Cub hatred.

There are no "Cubbie Defenders." You have given yourself a false group to align against. There are merely Sox fans who are embarrassed by the perception that Sox fans are wrapped up in their hate for the Cubs. To that point, I do not care what Cubs fans do on their site - let them look like fools. We shouldn't.

I am not saying ignore them. I am not saying don't have them and the free pass they get from the media and their "fun-loving" non-Chicago fanbase. I'm saying don't make it look like every single thing the Cubs do needs to be torn apart and ridiculed. I just think it makes us as Sox fans look bad.

Just my opinion but I think this site and discussion in general would be better served by stopping the regular attacks on those who don't do or say as you wish. Maybe if posters dont conform to your concept consider letting it go.

Discuss points and not the person. I know thats what I'm going to endeavor to do from this point forward.

kittle42
08-14-2012, 12:28 PM
Just my opinion but I think this site and discussion in general would be better served by stopping the regular attacks on those who don't do or say as you wish. Maybe if posters dont conform to your concept consider letting it go.

Discuss points and not the person. I know thats what I'm going to endeavor to do from this point forward.

I stated that I feel the "Cubsession" is embarrassing to Sox fans. I stated how I think it looks when posters post those types of comments. That is no more a personal attack than saying a group of posters are "Cubbie Defenders." By the way, I addressed that point and responded to it, as well.

Thank you for not addressing any point I made.

Cangelosi CF
08-16-2012, 10:14 AM
Vitters hitting .108. Jackson hitting .188 with 18 Ks in 32 ABs.
Gotta wonder how much this is stunting their growth.

meanwhile, as much as I dislike Phil "Cubs Apologist" Rogers, his article today in the Cubune is spot on: Why the eff does Crane Kenney still have a job? Extending the farm director's contract (who just got sacked) while trying to find a GM=BOGGLE.

I went to a Cubs game last week, the 2 hour rain delay. $6.50 for a bison dog on a stale bun.

doublem23
08-16-2012, 10:26 AM
I went to a Cubs game last week, the 2 hour rain delay. $6.50 for a bison dog on a stale bun.

Cubs Baseball - Major League prices for minor league talent

SOXPHILE
08-16-2012, 11:33 AM
A long time ago the rivalry was competitive but for the most part if not friendly, at least civil. It also used to be true that lots of people considered themselves "Chicago" fans and would pull for both teams while having one they considered a favorite. It also may shock some but I remember massive defections in the late 60s in response to the suddenly lowly Sox almost leaving town, and the 5 future HOFers on the Leo Durocher Cubs. To me the real turning point was 1984 when the surprising Cubs won the NL East, (before tanking against the Padres of course) and you could see that whole Wrigleyville thing in its infancy. It was obvious that there was no longer any semblance of objectivity in the media. The radio show The Sportswriters, on WGN voiced open contempt for the Sox often. So gradually over time the sands of fortune have shifted in favor of the Cubs for a variety of business and demographic reasons. Wilson, Swift, Armour and the Stockyards are gone. The International Amphitheatre is but a fading memory. So are the steel mills and factories. Every now and then a poster here will wax nostalgic for the old Chicago Cardinals. They're all gone but the Sox remain firmly entrenched on a depleted south side. For me it's now about survival. These are intense partisan times and the Cubs although stinking on the field have won the PR war. They can just go **** themselves for all I care. Y'all can bash DrCrawdad but I'm going to hang wiffem on this one. The Cubs and their sycophants can stuff it.


That part about 1984 hits the nail right on the head. I used to not hate the Cubs. I was always a die hard Sox fan, but I hoped the Cubs would do well too (unless they played the Cardinals). I'd usually watch them lose in the afternoon, be a bit disappointed, but really look more forward to watching the Sox that night.

In 1983, the Sox were Winnin' Ugly, and this town was on fire with all the excitement it seemed. I don't really recall seeing a whole hell of a lot of Cubs fans walking around with their hats on or mouthing off. The Sox were the story, and rightly so. The Cubs were just kind of there, playing in front of 8-10K people at Wrigley, and that was it.

In 1984, it was like someone flipped a switch. The Sox were doing bad, and the Cubs were the big surprise. Obviously, like the previous year, the winning team gets more press and attention. But it was more than that. Suddenly, everyone seemed to come out of the woodwork in ways that didn't happen in 1983. There were people who couldn't tell the difference between a baseball and their own ass, who were suddenly HUGE Cubs fans, walking around with Cubs painters caps and t-shirts. Wrigley Field was suddenly Mardi Gras North. Instead of the usual small crowds who actually were fans, the park and surrounding neighborhood were overrun with people who were the very essence of what we still make fun of today. Thousands and thousands of "fans" who always loved the Cubs, but most of the time were just drunken idiots there to party, because the park and neighborhood became the new "in" place to be. It is still the same today, 25+ years later. Then, right then and there, when I started getting grief and hearing some pretty vile insults from these new fans about being a Sox fan, is when I started hating anything to do with the Cubs.

white sox bill
08-16-2012, 01:15 PM
Whenever I run into a cub fan, I give them a litmus test to see what their knowledge of baseball is. I will say something like "Oh cub fan? Well if I'd know that...." and they usually pick up the banter and smile. I then announce that I'm South Side all the way.


90% of them look at me like I'm speaking Chinese. They have no clue and most just change the subject to prevent looking ignorant.

SoxSpeed22
08-16-2012, 01:36 PM
Oneri Fleita fired as VP of player personnel.
http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-cubs/cubs-talk/Theo-triggers-shakeup-in-Cubs-front-offi?blockID=757419&feedID=10336
Another Hendry guy gone, but a price must be paid when what you've been doing isn't working.

TheVulture
08-17-2012, 06:10 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flubsessed

DrCrawdad
08-23-2012, 08:21 PM
... This season has been successful for the Cubs in the long term plan. Do you agree with that?

Steve Rosenbloom says, no. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-cubs-are-worse-than-you-thought-20120823,0,6563946.column)

Rosenbloom, another biased, Flubsessed Sox fan that is henceforth barred from commenting on the Cubbies.

CoopaLoop
08-27-2012, 07:55 PM
Steve Rosenbloom says, no. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-cubs-are-worse-than-you-thought-20120823,0,6563946.column)

Rosenbloom, another biased, Flubsessed Sox fan that is henceforth barred from commenting on the Cubbies.

Yes the Cubs roster right now sucks. Good point?

SI1020
08-27-2012, 10:44 PM
Just my opinion but I think this site and discussion in general would be better served by stopping the regular attacks on those who don't do or say as you wish. Maybe if posters dont conform to your concept consider letting it go.

Discuss points and not the person. I know thats what I'm going to endeavor to do from this point forward. It's because of this attitude I take periodic sabbaticals from posting and just lurk around. I mean more than once I've thanked a poster who countered a lousy post of mine with a superior argument. I just get tired of reading this or that post and its author is irrelevant or unworthy. Some posters that I usually don't agree with still manage to hold a lot of my interest. I don't find it necessary to attack their manhood or intellect. You're going to get all different kinds of styles and abilities on a message board.

doublem23
08-28-2012, 08:52 AM
Steve Rosenbloom says, no. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-cubs-are-worse-than-you-thought-20120823,0,6563946.column)

Rosenbloom, another biased, Flubsessed Sox fan that is henceforth barred from commenting on the Cubbies.

Nobody in their right mind would actually use Steve Rosenbloom as a defense of their argument. In a town full of bad sports writers, he's easily the worst. The guy doesn't even attempt to make coherernt arguments any more, just trolls on the Trib's website, pimping for pageviews.

jdm2662
08-28-2012, 09:18 AM
Nobody in their right mind would actually use Steve Rosenbloom as a defense of their argument. In a town full of bad sports writers, he's easily the worst. The guy doesn't even attempt to make coherernt arguments any more, just trolls on the Trib's website, pimping for pageviews.

I don't know, too many people even on this board take him seriously. His act got old over ten years ago and is nothing more than a basement blogger. He hasn't even formed his own opinion in, well, probably never.

SaltyPretzel
08-28-2012, 01:31 PM
That part about 1984 hits the nail right on the head. I used to not hate the Cubs. I was always a die hard Sox fan, but I hoped the Cubs would do well too (unless they played the Cardinals). I'd usually watch them lose in the afternoon, be a bit disappointed, but really look more forward to watching the Sox that night.

In 1983, the Sox were Winnin' Ugly, and this town was on fire with all the excitement it seemed. I don't really recall seeing a whole hell of a lot of Cubs fans walking around with their hats on or mouthing off. The Sox were the story, and rightly so. The Cubs were just kind of there, playing in front of 8-10K people at Wrigley, and that was it.

In 1984, it was like someone flipped a switch. The Sox were doing bad, and the Cubs were the big surprise. Obviously, like the previous year, the winning team gets more press and attention. But it was more than that. Suddenly, everyone seemed to come out of the woodwork in ways that didn't happen in 1983. There were people who couldn't tell the difference between a baseball and their own ass, who were suddenly HUGE Cubs fans, walking around with Cubs painters caps and t-shirts. Wrigley Field was suddenly Mardi Gras North. Instead of the usual small crowds who actually were fans, the park and surrounding neighborhood were overrun with people who were the very essence of what we still make fun of today. Thousands and thousands of "fans" who always loved the Cubs, but most of the time were just drunken idiots there to party, because the park and neighborhood became the new "in" place to be. It is still the same today, 25+ years later. Then, right then and there, when I started getting grief and hearing some pretty vile insults from these new fans about being a Sox fan, is when I started hating anything to do with the Cubs.

You hit the nail on the head. I didn't dislike the Cubs until 1984. I remember WGN showing a fan with a poster that said "Keep America beautiful, shoot a Sox fan." That was it for me.