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KenBerryGrab
08-04-2012, 11:58 AM
With the good vibes and solid performance, wouldn't it give the team's psyche a boost to sign Anthony John now?

DonnieDarko
08-04-2012, 12:10 PM
I kinda get the feeling that part of the reason he's playing this well is because he's playing for his last big contract. If that gives him an edge, why take it away from him now? Not saying that Williams shouldn't begin negotiating with his agent soon, but to outright sign him now? No, let's let the season play out and see what happens.

DickAllen72
08-04-2012, 12:12 PM
Yes. Sign him to a three year extension, the sooner the better.

hawkjt
08-04-2012, 12:14 PM
I think at this point, AJ is going to get paid,but will want to stay with the Sox. Still, better to strike now,than wait,and let it get down to the wire in November. Sign him!

doublem23
08-04-2012, 12:23 PM
AJ's focus needs to be on the field. No point in the Sox opening up contract talks with a regular player when they are entering the final 3rd of the season neck-and-neck for the division lead.

Domeshot17
08-04-2012, 12:27 PM
Nope, AJ is playing way better than he is right now, you do not change anything. Reward guys with a contract extension after the season, not with a distraction in season.

Also, you have to really believe you he is going to be goo for 3 more years, because he was not very good the 2 years prior (sub 700 OPS in 2010 and a low 700 OPS last year with as many homers combined as he has this year). He is also a slightly below average defensive catcher (calls a good game, terrible at throwing guys out).

I love AJ, but if he wants a 3 year 24 mil deal or anything over 5-6 mil a year, he probably isn't worth it with what you can realistically expect out of him in the future. This is by far a career year and one we should enjoy, but not expect replication

SoxFanCPA
08-04-2012, 12:28 PM
Now isn't the time to worry about contracts. Plus, you don't pay guys on past performance, but on how you think they will play in the future.

Steelrod
08-04-2012, 12:38 PM
Now isn't the time to worry about contracts. Plus, you don't pay guys on past performance, but on how you think they will play in the future.
Unfortunately, you do pay guys for past performances. Plus the money has to come from somewhere. You are the one who thinks anyone who pays more than half of face value is crazy.

SephClone89
08-04-2012, 12:43 PM
Yes. Sign him to a three year extension, the sooner the better.

No thanks.

palehozenychicty
08-04-2012, 12:46 PM
No thanks.

What he said. I love AJ, but we need to find a younger, cheaper option with more upside at catcher. I don't want to keep paying him for the past.

SoxFanCPA
08-04-2012, 12:54 PM
Unfortunately, you do pay guys for past performances. Plus the money has to come from somewhere. You are the one who thinks anyone who pays more than half of face value is crazy.

How does signing AJ to a contract extension for more than he is worth have anything to do with overpriced tickets? And no, you shouldn't pay guys for past performance, that's what gets teams in trouble.

doublem23
08-04-2012, 01:17 PM
How does signing AJ to a contract extension for more than he is worth have anything to do with overpriced tickets? And no, you shouldn't pay guys for past performance, that's what gets teams in trouble.

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That's right, folks

palehozenychicty
08-04-2012, 01:33 PM
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That's right, folks

He and A-Fraud are shell plates of themselves.

KenBerryGrab
08-04-2012, 01:44 PM
Two years with a mutual option. He's thrown much better this year.

Who else is out there? Do you really want the return of Miguel Olivo?

SaltyPretzel
08-04-2012, 02:00 PM
Two years with a mutual option. He's thrown much better this year.

Who else is out there? Do you really want the return of Miguel Olivo?

I think the pitchers this year have a lot to do with that.

LITTLE NELL
08-04-2012, 02:09 PM
Yes. Sign him to a three year extension, the sooner the better.

No thanks.

At his age, no way. 2 years at most or maybe 1 year with an option year that has a buyout.

WLL1855
08-04-2012, 02:19 PM
I think the pitchers this year have a lot to do with that.

Pitchers always have a lot to do with it no matter how good an arm the guy has behind the plate. Get a guy on the mound that has no idea how to hold a runner close to the base and throw in a slow delivery and even a catcher like Molina will have a rough day getting guys out.

Edit: This wasn't meant as a defense of AJ so much as making the point that you can't just look at the steal percentage against a catcher and say it is all his fault. AJ is still mediocre against would be base stealers.

Steelrod
08-04-2012, 03:26 PM
How does signing AJ to a contract extension for more than he is worth have anything to do with overpriced tickets? And no, you shouldn't pay guys for past performance, that's what gets teams in trouble.
Money has to come from somewhere.
If you use your philosophy, the market for players you desire will be very small. What to expect Konerko to be like at the end of next year. How much would you offer him for a 3 year extension now?

Chez
08-04-2012, 03:56 PM
If possible, A.J. should be re-signed. Regardless of how much emphasis you place on his intangible value to the team and its fan base, there is no denying that he is having a terrific season and shows no sign of slowing down. I haven't decided if it makes more sense to do it now or after the season. I haven't read anything in which A.J. comes off as miffed or unhappy that he hasn't been extended yet. Has anyone seen or heard anything to that effect?

thomas35forever
08-04-2012, 04:03 PM
The Sox would be stupid not to consider it. He's hot, Flowers isn't ready and I don't like the market for catchers right now. The last thing I want is him in another uniform.

SoxFanCPA
08-04-2012, 04:07 PM
Money has to come from somewhere.
If you use your philosophy, the market for players you desire will be very small. What to expect Konerko to be like at the end of next year. How much would you offer him for a 3 year extension now?

I'm not understanding the point you are trying to make. You want to pay guys more as they age simply because they were good players? Let's offer Thome $20 million this winter then.

Lip Man 1
08-04-2012, 04:54 PM
JR personally stepped in at the last minute two years ago when AJ was headed to the Dodgers. There's no hurry on this. When the time comes I'm sure the Sox will make a good offer and if needed JR will step in again. (Kenny had already opened discussions with Olivo's agent and they were close to a deal)

Catching is just one of an off season list that's going to be long and important especially getting the starting pitching situation worked out.

Lip

kufram
08-04-2012, 05:09 PM
What is AJ's history playing after signing a new contract? What is his history when playing for a new contract? I don't know the answer to those questions but I think we should leave well enough alone until the end of the season.

Steelrod
08-04-2012, 07:03 PM
I'm not understanding the point you are trying to make. You want to pay guys more as they age simply because they were good players? Let's offer Thome $20 million this winter then.
What would you offer AJ and how many years?

Frater Perdurabo
08-04-2012, 07:25 PM
What would you offer AJ and how many years?

I don't know about money, but I'd offer two years with a team option for a third year.

Tragg
08-04-2012, 08:07 PM
Sox have a lot of players up for contract after this year, especially pitching: Peavy, Floyd (option), Youk, Liriano and AJ. Figure it out in the offseason.

Frontman
08-04-2012, 10:11 PM
Now's not the time to start this stuff, realistically. AJ (as well as the rest of the players) should be allowed to focus on playing.

The off-season will work this stuff out.

rdivaldi
08-04-2012, 10:46 PM
Love AJ, but this year is a complete and utter fluke.

OPS:
2005 .728
2006 .769
2007 .712
2008 .728
2009 .755
2010 .688
2011 .728
2012 .876

One of these numbers is not like the others. I think it's safe to say that a lot of us wanted his era to end in 2010 and it's not unreasonable to say that if we do sign him to a 3 year deal, we should expect numbers closer to 2010 than 2012.

soxinem1
08-04-2012, 10:49 PM
I remember when KW was thinking about offering Kenny Lofton an extension during the season based on his hot start. He was in SF 60 days later.

I remember when we were discussing JD getting an extension during the season because he was hitting.300+ at the ASB in 2009.

This same type of bantering was going on two years ago with AJ.

Honestly, I think contract talk should not go past Spring Training, and be left alone until after the World Series.

As much as I love AJ, the odds of him ever having a season like this again are extremely thin.

He should have been using that short-stroke HR swing more often his whole career.

sullythered
08-05-2012, 01:11 AM
Love AJ, but this year is a complete and utter fluke.

OPS:
2005 .728
2006 .769
2007 .712
2008 .728
2009 .755
2010 .688
2011 .728
2012 .876

One of these numbers is not like the others. I think it's safe to say that a lot of us wanted his era to end in 2010 and it's not unreasonable to say that if we do sign him to a 3 year deal, we should expect numbers closer to 2010 than 2012.
Man, I would gladly take those .700+ OPS numbers at the catcher position along with his undeniable intangibles. I would only go, maybe 2 years at 4.5 per, if he wants to give us a discount, which is not outside the realm of possibility.

russ99
08-05-2012, 01:17 AM
Love AJ, but this year is a complete and utter fluke.

OPS:
2005 .728
2006 .769
2007 .712
2008 .728
2009 .755
2010 .688
2011 .728
2012 .876

One of these numbers is not like the others. I think it's safe to say that a lot of us wanted his era to end in 2010 and it's not unreasonable to say that if we do sign him to a 3 year deal, we should expect numbers closer to 2010 than 2012.

So what. An average season from A.J. Is good enough, as long as his playing time is managed.

I have to wonder if Flowers will ever get there. His numbers haven't been great since AA, and while he may be a decent backup, the Sox would take a big risk handing him the starting job.

Otherwise, we din't really have a "catcher of the future" in the system, so if we're going to upgrade the position, it will be expensive, in dollars or players.

sullythered
08-05-2012, 01:24 AM
So what. An average season from A.J. Is good enough, as long as his playing time is managed.

I have to wonder if Flowers will ever get there. His numbers haven't been great since AA, and while he may be a decent backup, the Sox would take a big risk handing him the starting job.

Otherwise, we din't really have a "catcher of the future" in the system, so if we're going to upgrade the position, it will be expensive, in dollars or players.

I will say, over the last month, getting regular playing time, Flowers has not been terrible at the plate.

Daver
08-05-2012, 01:29 AM
Love AJ, but this year is a complete and utter fluke.

OPS:
2005 .728
2006 .769
2007 .712
2008 .728
2009 .755
2010 .688
2011 .728
2012 .876

One of these numbers is not like the others. I think it's safe to say that a lot of us wanted his era to end in 2010 and it's not unreasonable to say that if we do sign him to a 3 year deal, we should expect numbers closer to 2010 than 2012.

Baseball is not an offensive sport.


If you are going to judge someone that plays the most purely defensive position on the field, judge him on his performance there, not on his performance at the plate.

So is his defense worthy of a contract extension?

MUsoxfan
08-05-2012, 02:00 AM
Baseball is not an offensive sport.


If you are going to judge someone that plays the most purely defensive position on the field, judge him on his performance there, not on his performance at the plate.

So is his defense worthy of a contract extension?

I'd say yes, but simply because the catching market is thin

kittle42
08-05-2012, 04:07 AM
AJ would be silly not to get every dime he can with this ridiculous season he's having.

HaroMaster87
08-05-2012, 06:37 AM
So what. An average season from A.J. Is good enough, as long as his playing time is managed.

I have to wonder if Flowers will ever get there. His numbers haven't been great since AA, and while he may be a decent backup, the Sox would take a big risk handing him the starting job.

Otherwise, we din't really have a "catcher of the future" in the system, so if we're going to upgrade the position, it will be expensive, in dollars or players.

This^^^

And to further the point, look at who is catching for most other teams? How about who caught for the Angels this past evening?? Yuck...no thanks. I'll take #12...

SoxFanCPA
08-05-2012, 11:17 AM
What ever happened to Josh Phegley?

rdivaldi
08-05-2012, 09:08 PM
Man, I would gladly take those .700+ OPS numbers at the catcher position along with his undeniable intangibles. I would only go, maybe 2 years at 4.5 per, if he wants to give us a discount, which is not outside the realm of possibility.

You would take his .700- .725 OPS numbers, but you must realize that we'd be paying at an .800+ OPS price. If we wants to give us a discount, great. But if he wants to be paid based on this year, no thanks.

rdivaldi
08-05-2012, 09:09 PM
So what. An average season from A.J. Is good enough, as long as his playing time is managed.

I have to wonder if Flowers will ever get there. His numbers haven't been great since AA, and while he may be a decent backup, the Sox would take a big risk handing him the starting job.

Otherwise, we din't really have a "catcher of the future" in the system, so if we're going to upgrade the position, it will be expensive, in dollars or players.

An average season is definitely "good enough", but it's not about that, it's about $$$.

rdivaldi
08-05-2012, 09:18 PM
Baseball is not an offensive sport.


If you are going to judge someone that plays the most purely defensive position on the field, judge him on his performance there, not on his performance at the plate.

So is his defense worthy of a contract extension?

Baseball is not a defensive sport either, you must be able to hit, pitch and play defense. AJ is not a great defensive catcher, he's pretty ordinary. Usually middle, lower middle in caught stealing and passed balls.

rdivaldi
08-05-2012, 09:22 PM
What ever happened to Josh Phegley?

Had to spend 2011 dealing with a rare blood disease. He's on the road back, been playing better behind the plate, but his power numbers are disappointing. Hasn't been hitting for a high average either, in the .260-.270 range.

Daver
08-05-2012, 10:29 PM
Baseball is not a defensive sport either, you must be able to hit, pitch and play defense. AJ is not a great defensive catcher, he's pretty ordinary. Usually middle, lower middle in caught stealing and passed balls.

Baseball is the most defensive sport there is when it comes to stick and ball sports, the other team controls the ball when you are on offense, if you can find a better definition of defensive sport I would like to see it.

kittle42
08-06-2012, 11:19 AM
Baseball is the most defensive sport there is when it comes to stick and ball sports, the other team controls the ball when you are on offense, if you can find a better definition of defensive sport I would like to see it.

Golf.

SephClone89
08-06-2012, 11:25 AM
Baseball is the most defensive sport there is when it comes to stick and ball sports, the other team controls the ball when you are on offense, if you can find a better definition of defensive sport I would like to see it.

Tennis.

Domeshot17
08-06-2012, 11:54 AM
Team Handball

DickAllen72
08-06-2012, 11:16 PM
3 years $15M should do it. Get it done, KW.

Lip Man 1
08-06-2012, 11:18 PM
I wouldn't give A.J. three years...not at 35, not with the milage. I seriously doubt anyone else would either.

Lip

Noneck
08-06-2012, 11:22 PM
Lip,

AJ will be 36 in december

Lip Man 1
08-06-2012, 11:23 PM
Which means he's 35 right now and this season.

Lip

Noneck
08-07-2012, 12:33 AM
3 years which will make him 39 ( almost 40) at the end of contract is too long.

Tragg
08-07-2012, 12:46 AM
Among Peavy, Liriano, Youk and AJ, AJ would probably be my last choice to sign. Still, he will be cheaper than the rest and I doubt he gets an open market offer equivalent to what others would be paid if they had his offensive year this year.

I really like AJ because he wants to win. (also because he can hit and there are so many lousy hitting catchers around the league). I can see him grating on other players' nerves if they don't know him, especially in a down season. Fortunately, his first season with the Sox was a winning one.

I will say it would be weirder to see AJ in another uniform than any other Sox player.

Nellie_Fox
08-07-2012, 01:06 AM
3 years which will make him 39 ( almost 40) at the end of contract is too long.Interesting math.

If he's 35 now, and will be 36 in December, he'd be 38 (almost 39) at the end of a three-year contract.

Noneck
08-07-2012, 01:12 AM
Interesting math.

If he's 35 now, and will be 36 in December, he'd be 38 (almost 39) at the end of a three-year contract.


Yes i messed up, thanks for correction.

Nellie_Fox
08-07-2012, 01:17 AM
AJ isn't Pudge, but Fisk put up a .919 OPS at age 40, appearing in 137 games. At age 37, he hit 37 homers and 107 RBI. So, it is possible to still be productive in the late 30's at catcher.

CoopaLoop
08-07-2012, 01:25 AM
Sign him because Flowers is a terrible terrible hitter.

DSpivack
08-07-2012, 01:33 AM
AJ isn't Pudge, but Fisk put up a .919 OPS at age 40, appearing in 137 games. At age 37, he hit 37 homers and 107 RBI. So, it is possible to still be productive in the late 30's at catcher.

I think that says more about how amazing Fisk was than anything else.

It's possible for catcher to be productive at that age, it's just very unusual.