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Johnny Mostil
07-24-2012, 11:20 PM
A friend recently claimed that Adam Dunn "has the best stats for a .206 hitter on the planet." Which got me to wondering how one might quantify such things.

I did a bit of searching of ratio of OPS to batting average, but didn't find much. I did see that Dunn's ratio of OPS to batting average entering tonight's game was 4.16, which I have to think would rank rather high for such things.

I did find something on ratio of OBP to batting average here (http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2011/11/highest-ratio-of-on-base-to-batting.html). Note that Dunn's ratio entering tonight's game, just below 1.72, would be among the top dozen all time.

(Edit: And, for his career, Dunn's ratio of OBP to batting average is apparently 8th all-time.)

Anyway, this was just something that intrigued me. I'd be interested in any thoughts others have on this.

Go Sox!

HomeFish
07-24-2012, 11:34 PM
Adam Dunn shouldn't exist. He's one of those things your college professor would say is theoretically possible, but doesn't actually happen. It's great.

Johnny Mostil
07-24-2012, 11:53 PM
For what it's worth, I calculated the ratio of OPS to BA (through the 2011 season) for players whose career ratio of OBP to BA ranks in the top 10. Dunn does indeed have the highest ratio of OPS to BA among those players.

Here are the top 10 (again, entering this season) for career OBP to BA followed by their ratio of OPS to BA:

Wes Westum, 1.64, 3.36
Gene Tenace, 1.61, 3.39
Eddie Lake, 1.58, 2.98
Ken Phelps, 1.56, 3.57
Max Bishop, 1.56, 2.91
Eddie Yost, 1.55, 3.01
Jack Cust, 1.55, 3.36
Adam Dunn, 1.54, 3.60
Mickey Tettleton, 1.53, 3.39
Eddie Stanky, 1.53, 2.83

Lip Man 1
07-24-2012, 11:53 PM
How do Dunn's numbers compare to Dave Kingman's?

Lip

Johnny Mostil
07-24-2012, 11:57 PM
How do Dunn's numbers compare to Dave Kingman's?

Lip

Good question.

For his career, Kingman's ratio of OBP (.302) to BA (.236) is 1.28.

Kingman's ratio of OPS (.780) to BA is 3.31.

DSpivack
07-24-2012, 11:59 PM
How do Dunn's numbers compare to Dave Kingman's?

Lip

Kingman didn't walk nearly as much. He had a career line of .236/.302/.478 for an OPS of .780.

Dunn's career lines: .241/.372/.502 for an OPS of .875.

In 12 seasons and just shy of 7000 plate appearances, Dunn has 1,380 hits, 1,140 walks, 394 HRs, and 989 RsBI.

In 16 seasons and 7,429 plate appearances, Kingman had 1,575 hits, 608 walks, 442 HRs and 1,210 RsBI.

Only once in his career did Kingman reach 40 HRs and twice 100 RsBI. Dunn has 5 40+ HR seasons and 7 100+ RBI seasons. He is also on pace for 50 HRs and 119 RsBI this season.

soxinem1
07-26-2012, 11:16 AM
Kingman didn't walk nearly as much. He had a career line of .236/.302/.478 for an OPS of .780.

Dunn's career lines: .241/.372/.502 for an OPS of .875.

In 12 seasons and just shy of 7000 plate appearances, Dunn has 1,380 hits, 1,140 walks, 394 HRs, and 989 RsBI.

In 16 seasons and 7,429 plate appearances, Kingman had 1,575 hits, 608 walks, 442 HRs and 1,210 RsBI.

Only once in his career did Kingman reach 40 HRs and twice 100 RsBI. Dunn has 5 40+ HR seasons and 7 100+ RBI seasons. He is also on pace for 50 HRs and 119 RsBI this season.

I believe Kingman hit the most HR of any player in MLB history in his last season. That was really all he was good for besides striking out.

I think the big difference between Dunn and Kingman was personality. Kingman was a colossal prick while Dunn is much more easy going.

Besides, I'll always hate him for his sucker mound charge of Richard Dotson back in 1984 when Dot wasn't looking. :angry:

Of course I was even more upset that the then-lifeless White Sox didn't even warn Dot that Kingman was running out to the mound. :angry::angry:

Johnny Mostil
07-26-2012, 01:50 PM
I believe Kingman hit the most HR of any player in MLB history in his last season. That was really all he was good for besides striking out.

I think the big difference between Dunn and Kingman was personality. Kingman was a colossal prick while Dunn is much more easy going.

Besides, I'll always hate him for his sucker mound charge of Richard Dotson back in 1984 when Dot wasn't looking. :angry:

Of course I was even more upset that the then-lifeless White Sox didn't even warn Dot that Kingman was running out to the mound. :angry::angry:

Indeed (http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15348) he did. I had not known that (before just now searching for it). Thanks!