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Dadawg_77
07-26-2002, 10:35 AM
Please, don't included any deals the the great Kenny The Lenny Williams made, those are just to easy. But as a younger Sox fan, but middle age on this board, I was wondering what was the worst trade the Sox made before Kenny took over.

wulfy
07-26-2002, 10:42 AM
Sosa for Taco Bell has to be up there, doesn't it?

KingXerxes
07-26-2002, 10:47 AM
1. Sosa for Bell

2. Norm Cash, Johnny Romano, and Bubba Phillips for Dick Brown, Don Ferrarese, Jake Striker and Minnie Minoso

3. Bobby Bonilla for Jose DeLeon

4. The jury is still out on this one, but if Lowe, Wells and Fogg continue to mature and pitch better - we may have a new #1 in a few years.

Tragg
07-26-2002, 10:49 AM
Gary Peters for Sid O'Brien was a nasty deal. Although probably not as bad as some mentioned above, I consider O'Brien the single worst starting infielder in my history with the Sox (1967). Peters was an excellent pitcher.

duke of dorwood
07-26-2002, 10:50 AM
Johnny Callison for Gene Freese

Iwritecode
07-26-2002, 10:54 AM
The Sox thinking Roger Clemens was "washed-up" and getting Jamie Navarro instead. :whiner:

NUKE_CLEVELAND
07-26-2002, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Iwritecode
The Sox thinking Roger Clemens was "washed-up" and getting Jamie Navarro instead. :whiner:

That wasn't a trade, but that was the single greatest act of stupidity ever committed by a Sox GM.

viagracat
07-26-2002, 02:30 PM
I agree, Bell for Sosa. Bell was an even bigger goof than Sam-me. If that's possible. But Sosa certainly can hit and probably would've help fill up Comiskey Park.

jlh221fan
07-26-2002, 02:42 PM
1) Sosa and Ken Patterson for George Bell (3-92);
2) Wickman, Melido Perez, and Domingo Jean for Steve Sax (1-92) - Melido only had 1 full season after this, so it cold have been worse;

I know there's plenty more, but those 2 come immediately to mind.

hold2dibber
07-26-2002, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by NUKE_CLEVELAND


That wasn't a trade, but that was the single greatest act of stupidity ever committed by a Sox GM.

:KW
"Well, maybe so far, but I'm not done yet ..."

soxrme
07-26-2002, 03:15 PM
TRADING NORM CASH AND ROMANO WAS THE WORST. IT PROBABLY COST US THE 1960 CHAMPIONSHIP AS CASH AND HIS CORKED BAT HIT ABOUT .360 AND ROMANO HAD A CAREER YEAR.
SOSA FOR BELL WOULD HAVE TO BE NEXT.
ANY TRADE BY KW HAS POTENTIAL TO BE THE WORST THOUGH!

ISUSoxfan
07-26-2002, 05:34 PM
--Chet Lemon for Steve Kemp

--Harold Baines for the pre-steroid Sosa

--James Baldwin for a bag of baseballs, made by Rellings

LongDistanceFan
07-26-2002, 05:45 PM
as much as i dislike kw, i am and will always say that sosa trade was not a bad one. he only came on in what, the last 3 yrs? where did all that power come from. regardless of that, he was a jerk, a clubhouse cancer and only worried about his own stats. i met him before at mother's and he was a royal jerk.

Iguana775
07-26-2002, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by LongDistanceFan
as much as i dislike kw, i am and will always say that sosa trade was not a bad one. he only came on in what, the last 3 yrs? where did all that power come from. regardless of that, he was a jerk, a clubhouse cancer and only worried about his own stats. i met him before at mother's and he was a royal jerk.

i agree with you LDF. at the time, it was a good trade.

Cheryl
07-26-2002, 06:05 PM
I agree about getting rid of Sosa as a good thing. He doesn't hit well in Comiskey, even now, so he's useless for us.

CiscoCarlos
07-26-2002, 09:13 PM
I agree with KingXerxes: Sosa For Bell was the worst ever.
But REAL old timers tell you that a big trade the Sox made after the 1937 was the ultimate stinko, matching the bad Veeck trades of 1960.

For the first time in a decade, the Sox had good, improving teams in '36 and '37 after years of excruciatingly bad teams. So after finishing 86-68 in '37 they promptly unhinged the heart of the team--Vern Kennedy, Dixie Walker and Tony Piet--to Detroit for Marv Owen, Dixie Walker and Mike Tresh.

The trade was a disaster--though Tresh did have a good year in 1940. The Sox dropped to 65-83 in 1938 and it was one of several factors in their so-so teams for the next decade (before they completely fell apart in 1948).

Of course, the Monty Stratton hunting mishap after the '38 season didn't help, either, but fans back then were fuming over the results of that trade.

StepsInSC
07-26-2002, 09:47 PM
Whatever your answer is just wait till the end of this season and you'll have a new #1

Ol Aches & Pains
07-26-2002, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
Please, don't included any deals the the great Kenny The Lenny Williams made, those are just to easy. But as a younger Sox fan, but middle age on this board, I was wondering what was the worst trade the Sox made before Kenny took over.

I'll mention one, not the worst, but still - Billy Pierce to San Francisco in 1962 for Eddie Fisher (the player, not the singer), Dom Zanni, Verie Tiefenthaler, and Bob Farley. In 1962 the Sox finished 11 games behind the Yankees, while Pierce won 16 games for the Giants.

But I agree the worst player move ever by the Sox was passing on Roger Clemens (who wanted to come here) because Reinsdorf and Schuler thought he was washed up, and giving $20 million to Jamie Friggin' Navarro instead. Sweet suffering Jesus! You think Todd Ritchie's bad? Navarro with the Sox was the worst pitcher I've ever seen, at any level of professional baseball.

ISUSoxfan
07-26-2002, 11:39 PM
Yeah, Ritchie is not as bad as Navarro was. Ritchie is more of a Kirk McCaskil, tied for second worst.

DVG
07-27-2002, 01:25 AM
The deals that the revered Bill Veeck made before the 1960
season have to stand as the worst ever. Callison for Freese,
Battey and Mincher for Sievers, Romano and Cash for Minoso.
Oh, the agony. Those deals demolished the farm system and
set the franchise back several years.

Sosa for Bell and Bonilla for DeLeon were two other gems. Let
us also not forget Tommie Agee, J.C Martin and Al Weis to the
Mets for Tommie Davis. Agee, Martin and Weis all made sig-
nificant contributions to the Miracle Mets of 1969, while Davis
hit .268 in one season and spent 1969 with the Seattle Pilots.
(He did achieve a bit of immortality here, as he was mentioned
several times in Jim Bouton's "Ball Four.")

As long as you're also talking about pitchers, here's another
great one-signing Denny McLain in 1963 right out of Mt. Carmel
High School, then releasing him before he even appeared in
one game. The last spot in the rotation that year went to the
immortal Bruce Howard.

Nellie_Fox
07-27-2002, 03:35 AM
You guys have covered most of the bad trades that haunt my dreams. So, I'll toss in a decision that wasn't a trade, but.... The decision to keep Bruce Howard and cut Denny McClain.

SI1020
07-27-2002, 01:18 PM
Those trades that were made before the 1960 season were terrible as several here pointed out. At the time many thought the Sox had insured themselves another pennant. The Sox hit the hell out of the ball in 60 but the pitching fell off drastically and they finished 10 back of the yanks. Of course losing Cash, Callison, Romano, Battey, and Mincher probably cost the Sox a pennant or two in the 60's. They had an extra catcher and first baseman among their prospects in 60 so trading either Battey or Romano (I would have preferred keeping Battey) and trading either Mincher or Cash (better to keep Cash) might have made sense if we had gotten some help where we needed it. Oh well, you can't bend space and time, but the Sox had some good teams up to 67 and were so close in 64 and 67. Regarding Pierce. He was my favorite as a kid and I was glad he got a chance to shine in the post season with the Giants in 62. I told him as much when I finally met him in 99 at the new Comiskey. He seemed to appreciate the sentiment and he told me he really enjoyed his big chance in 62.