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DumpJerry
07-17-2012, 10:15 PM
With your hit tonight (7/12), you have now equaled your hit production for all of last year.

This is the thread that should be titled "He's Back!":wink:

For those of you who keep score, that would be 66 hits.

Zakath
07-17-2012, 11:06 PM
He passed last year's HR total on May 14, and passed his RBI total from last year on June 9. He's only 2 behind his BB total from last year.

Unfortunately, he's also only 37 behind his K total from last year too. But, when you're hitting over 50 points higher in average, 70 points in OBP, and almost 250 points in slugging, you can live with some of the K's, especially when about 60% of them come with the bases empty.

He's not having an Alex Rios-type of comeback year, but anything's better than last year.

He also stole a base, his first since 2008.

soxinem1
07-18-2012, 10:07 AM
He passed last year's HR total on May 14, and passed his RBI total from last year on June 9. He's only 2 behind his BB total from last year.

Unfortunately, he's also only 37 behind his K total from last year too. But, when you're hitting over 50 points higher in average, 70 points in OBP, and almost 250 points in slugging, you can live with some of the K's, especially when about 60% of them come with the bases empty.

He's not having an Alex Rios-type of comeback year, but anything's better than last year.

He also stole a base, his first since 2008.

Thome still would have more productive at a FAR less cost, even if it was against RHP only.

Dunn is on pace for 55HR and 260K's...... And may squashed rallies. He's making Mark Reynolds look like a contact hitter.

He is striking out over 40% of the time. And he has three years left.

So honestly, to be happy because his numbers are better than what he had the year prior is not much consolation, because if you take the production of the player he replaced, there is no comparison.

If there is one thing KW and all of MLB should have learned from this is to never give a DH this kind of contract.

doublem23
07-18-2012, 10:36 AM
Thome still would have more productive at a FAR less cost, even if it was against RHP only.

Dunn is slugging over 80 points higher than Thome so I don't think that's true. In fact, looking at this season (because really, what does 2011 have to do with anything any more) there is only a small handful of players who have been more productive than Dunn.

It should also be pointed out that even though Adam strikes out (ZOMG), he's making outs at a slower pace than Thome. Dunn's made 250 outs in 387 plate appearances (64.6%) while Thome has made 77 in 115 (67%).

I don't understand why we have to keep having these fights. I get that people may not like the strike out or nothing approach Adam has at the plate, and I get that people may still be upset over last year's debacle, but there's no way anyone can deny Dunn is producing big time at the plate. His OPS is .879, which is 16th in the AL and 3rd among DH's in the AL. He's 3rd in the AL in RBI behind only Cabrera and Hamilton. I get there's a hole in his game, but he's producing exactly what is expected of him. Who cares how often he strikes out?

hoosiersoxfan
07-18-2012, 11:39 AM
I'd rather see him strike out with runners on base than hit into double plays. When he makes contact its normally making it to the outfield.

gobears1987
07-18-2012, 11:45 AM
You really can't complain about his strikeouts when he is driving in runs the way he is. RBI's are the one stat I really care about with Dunn and he has performed damn well in that line.

BigKlu59
07-18-2012, 11:49 AM
He passed last year's HR total on May 14, and passed his RBI total from last year on June 9. He's only 2 behind his BB total from last year.

Unfortunately, he's also only 37 behind his K total from last year too. But, when you're hitting over 50 points higher in average, 70 points in OBP, and almost 250 points in slugging, you can live with some of the K's, especially when about 60% of them come with the bases empty.

He's not having an Alex Rios-type of comeback year, but anything's better than last year.

He also stole a base, his first since 2008.


Hey, I'm counting my blessings right now with Adam. Considering last season this is a hell of a turnaround. As you say he has alot of naked K's and I can live with that stat. Its when ducks are quacking and if he doesnt crush one, I just want to see him hit something high and long for a sac fly now and then...Right now he's in the trifecta mode... HR, K, or BB.

55 Hr's.... I'll take that any day, if 66% of the time it ends up in a crooked number on the board..

BK59

kobo
07-18-2012, 11:59 AM
Thome still would have more productive at a FAR less cost, even if it was against RHP only.

Dunn is on pace for 55HR and 260K's...... And may squashed rallies. He's making Mark Reynolds look like a contact hitter.

He is striking out over 40% of the time. And he has three years left.

So honestly, to be happy because his numbers are better than what he had the year prior is not much consolation, because if you take the production of the player he replaced, there is no comparison.

If there is one thing KW and all of MLB should have learned from this is to never give a DH this kind of contract.
Every hitter has squashed a rally at some point. Unless you can statistically prove Dunn is squashing rallies moreso than any other hitter on the team this is a moot point. And he has 2 years left on his deal, not 3 (signed through 2014).

NardiWasHere
07-18-2012, 01:23 PM
I don't know how any sane person can look at Dunn and not be super pleased with him.

asindc
07-18-2012, 01:40 PM
Thome still would have more productive at a FAR less cost, even if it was against RHP only.

Dunn is on pace for 55HR and 260K's...... And may squashed rallies. He's making Mark Reynolds look like a contact hitter.

He is striking out over 40% of the time. And he has three years left.

So honestly, to be happy because his numbers are better than what he had the year prior is not much consolation, because if you take the production of the player he replaced, there is no comparison.

If there is one thing KW and all of MLB should have learned from this is to never give a DH this kind of contract.

While I'm not the President of the I-Hate-Strikeouts-Club, I am an ardent card-carrying member. That said, 1) Dunn is much, much better than Thome at this point; and 2) as much as I hate his strikeouts, Dunn is definitely one of the key reasons why the Sox are in first place now.

SCCWS
07-18-2012, 01:52 PM
My problem is w Robin. Dunn should not hit 3rd when a lefty starts. Drop him to 6th or 7th. Against lefties he has struck out 61 times in 112 abs. That is 55%........................

DonnieDarko
07-18-2012, 01:56 PM
I don't know how any sane person can look at Dunn and not be super pleased with him.

This. I think that people just need something to bitch and moan about.

asindc
07-18-2012, 02:32 PM
My problem is w Robin. Dunn should not hit 3rd when a lefty starts. Drop him to 6th or 7th. Against lefties he has struck out 61 times in 112 abs. That is 55%........................

I agree.

34rancher
07-18-2012, 03:39 PM
My problem is w Robin. Dunn should not hit 3rd when a lefty starts. Drop him to 6th or 7th. Against lefties he has struck out 61 times in 112 abs. That is 55%........................

Ignoring the k's because we all have clearly stated where we stand on that, let's look at him hitting in the 7th inning and beyond. Going back to June 15 (arbitrary date I got tired of looking), he should be benched after the 6th inning. He's 1-23 (single), 7 walks, 0 rbis, 0 runs.
He's dunn well in the first at bats in games recently, but late in games we should be considering pinch hitting for our highest priced hitter.

spawn
07-18-2012, 03:40 PM
Ignoring the k's because we all have clearly stated where we stand on that, let's look at him hitting in the 7th inning and beyond. Going back to June 15 (arbitrary date I got tired of looking), he should be benched after the 6th inning. He's 1-23 (single), 7 walks, 0 rbis, 0 runs.
He's dunn well in the first at bats in games recently, but late in games we should be considering pinch hitting for our highest priced hitter.

Way to cherry pick stats to suit your argument. :thumbsup:

34rancher
07-18-2012, 03:56 PM
Way to cherry pick stats to suit your argument. :thumbsup:

I think my "cherry picked stats" support getting him out of the 3 hole where he will be batting more in the later innings.

doublem23
07-18-2012, 03:56 PM
Ignoring the k's because we all have clearly stated where we stand on that, let's look at him hitting in the 7th inning and beyond. Going back to June 15 (arbitrary date I got tired of looking), he should be benched after the 6th inning. He's 1-23 (single), 7 walks, 0 rbis, 0 runs.
He's dunn well in the first at bats in games recently, but late in games we should be considering pinch hitting for our highest priced hitter.

The advent of specialists in the bullpen has meant there is a general drop in offensive production late in games. In the American League in 2012, the 3 worst innings of production are the 9th, 8th, and 7th (in that order). So calling to bench Adam because his numbers aren't up to snuff in those 3 innings really seems to be nothing more than kneejerk psycho nonsense. Second, who, exactly, do you propose we replace our most productive run producer with off our **** bench in the late innings? Hudson? Danks? Flowers?

I think my "cherry picked stats" support getting him out of the 3 hole where he will be batting more in the later innings.

Its probably about time you just deal with the fact that Robin knows more about baseball than you and whatever he decides to do with Dunn is likely the correct move.

soxinem1
07-18-2012, 05:13 PM
Its probably about time you just deal with the fact that Robin knows more about baseball than you and whatever he decides to do with Dunn is likely the correct move.

I agree that K's are not the total story-teller, but a guy with such an alarming rate is one thing, but when he struggles to hit .210 that's another. At least Thome always hit for something of an average, even as an older player.

After all, Dunn will likely have the highest percentage of K/AB in MLB history after this is all said and done.

So after reading all this I can justify him in the lineup batting third against RHP, but not LHP.

WLL1855
07-18-2012, 05:39 PM
The last thing I want to see is musical chairs being played with the lineup while the team is in first place.

Everyone else has their opinion. That's mine.

#1swisher
07-18-2012, 06:29 PM
Chuck Garfien
Did the psychic power of Adam Dunn bring Kevin Youkilis to Chicago? The inside story.

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/Sox-Drawer-Does-Adam-Dunn-have-ESP?blockID=742529&feedID=661

Nellie_Fox
07-19-2012, 01:09 AM
I'd rather see him strike out with runners on base than hit into double plays.I'm so tired of this argument. So let's just instruct him to deliberately strike out when in a possible DP situation to avoid that possibility.

Putting the ball in play when there are runners on base is preferable to striking out; that simply cannot be argued. The disadvantage of the double plays will be more than offset by runners advanced, hits, and errors that result from balls in play.

Boondock Saint
07-19-2012, 01:31 AM
I agree that K's are not the total story-teller, but a guy with such an alarming rate is one thing, but when he struggles to hit .210 that's another. At least Thome always hit for something of an average, even as an older player.

After all, Dunn will likely have the highest percentage of K/AB in MLB history after this is all said and done.

So after reading all this I can justify him in the lineup batting third against RHP, but not LHP.

And he'll likely rank in or near the top 20 in HR's all time, too.

doublem23
07-19-2012, 05:56 AM
I'm so tired of this argument. So let's just instruct him to deliberately strike out when in a possible DP situation to avoid that possibility.

Putting the ball in play when there are runners on base is preferable to striking out; that simply cannot be argued. The disadvantage of the double plays will be more than offset by runners advanced, hits, and errors that result from balls in play.

Agreed, but it should be noted that Dunn's slash line with runners on is currently .250/.392/.588, so he does perform better at the plate with runners on base than with them empty.

TheVulture
07-19-2012, 04:46 PM
My problem is w Robin. Dunn should not hit 3rd when a lefty starts. Drop him to 6th or 7th. Against lefties he has struck out 61 times in 112 abs. That is 55%........................

His line against lefties is .164/.285/.388. Maybe he should just sit against lefties all together. DH Konerko and let Escobar start at 3rd. Escobar is one of the few batters who has hit lefties - .316 BA in granted a small sample of 20 PA. Then you can put Dunn in when the lefty leaves the game and move Youk back over to 3rd.

As for Dunn batting 3rd, I like the fact if you go through the first four batters in the Sox lineup of the first inning you still have to face Rios/AJ/Tank the next inning. If you are going to have a low average, high OBP hitter, the 3rd spot is better because he's still setting the table for PK and the aforementioned crew. Putting him 5th or 6th, then you've got a guy that can be pitched around if needed who is going to leave a lot of runners on base without our best hitters to clean up after.