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Madvora
05-31-2012, 12:04 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/ben_reiter/05/30/paul.konerko/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

everafan
05-31-2012, 12:11 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/ben_reiter/05/30/paul.konerko/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

He is the King as far as White Sox fans are concerned. I love how these national guys come out and say Paulie is unappreciated or underated. All they need to do is start "appreciating" and "rating" him accordingly and problem solved. We know he's great.

dwalteroo
05-31-2012, 01:19 PM
I seriously compare almost every major league player to Paully in terms of how they handle themselves on and off the field, how they produce, and how they act when they don't. And almost no one compares.

BleacherBandit
05-31-2012, 02:06 PM
I've always thought of Paul and Todd Helton as similarly overlooked players. Of course, Helton plays in a launching-pad, but look at his numbers, too. These guys will probably fade with little fanfare, unfortunately.

HomeFish
05-31-2012, 10:16 PM
Everyone knows Helton because he is the face of the Rockies. If you know one Rockie, you know Todd Helton.

Konerko has never been the face of the White Sox. Frank Thomas, Ozzie Guillen, A.J Pierzynski, etc., have always garnered more attention because of their antics.

rdivaldi
05-31-2012, 10:20 PM
I wonder if they realize the irony (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/featured/10174/index.htm) of this story...

Brian26
05-31-2012, 10:35 PM
Is Konerko getting the cover this week?

doublem23
05-31-2012, 11:21 PM
Konerko hasn't really been a "star" for most of his career, though. He's been a steady 1B and mostly reliable, but it's not like he's been putting up eye-popping numbers for his 14 years here and people are just starting to realize it.

Here is his career, 1999-2009, his first 11 seasons with the Sox:

.280/.355/.497... Averages per 162 G: 32 HR, 102 RBI, 31 2B, OPS+ of 118. These are fine numbers but they're far from superstar material at an offensive first position like 1B.

Here he is 2010-present:

.316/.399/.564... 162 G averages: 38 HR, 117 RBI, 32 2B, OPS+ of 156.

That's a drastic improvement. Those are legitimate superstar numbers for a 1B. It's an incredible, basically never-before-seen, transformation for a guy at this stage of his career.

HomeFish
05-31-2012, 11:23 PM
Konerko hasn't really been a "star" for most of his career, though. He's been a steady 1B and mostly reliable, but it's not like he's been putting up eye-popping numbers for his 14 years here and people are just starting to realize it.

Here is his career, 1999-2009, his first 11 seasons with the Sox:

.280/.355/.497... Averages per 162 G: 32 HR, 102 RBI, 31 2B, OPS+ of 118. These are fine numbers but they're far from superstar material at an offensive first position like 1B.

Here he is 2010-present:

.316/.399/.564... 162 G averages: 38 HR, 117 RBI, 32 2B, OPS+ of 156.

That's a drastic improvement. Those are legitimate superstar numbers for a 1B. It's an incredible, basically never-before-seen, transformation for a guy at this stage of his career.

Konerko is some kind of reverse-Samson. Only logical explanation IMO.

RKMeibalane
05-31-2012, 11:53 PM
Everyone knows Helton because he is the face of the Rockies. If you know one Rockie, you know Todd Helton.

Konerko has never been the face of the White Sox. Frank Thomas, Ozzie Guillen, A.J Pierzynski, etc., have always garnered more attention because of their antics.

What antics are Frank and AJ guilty of, exactly? And why did you group them with that piece of ****? Even for you, HomeFish, this post was brutal.

HomeFish
06-01-2012, 01:05 AM
What antics are Frank and AJ guilty of, exactly? And why did you group them with that piece of ****? Even for you, HomeFish, this post was brutal.

Frank, AJ, and Ozzie all said and did things that got them media attention. Stuff other than hitting and fielding a ball or managing. I don't see how you can dispute that.

Konerko doesn't really do that. He mostly just hits and fields, and his media comments are extremely forgettable.

Nowhere did I imply that any of these people are morally equivalent, or equivalent in talent, or anything like that. Nowhere in my post did I pass judgment on people. My post boils down to "Konerko received little media attention at least in part because he has had teammates who draw attention to themselves in ways that Paulie does not."

thomas35forever
06-01-2012, 02:07 AM
Echoing the media aspect of this, Paulie is basically the Tim Duncan of the White Sox.

HomeFish
06-01-2012, 02:14 AM
But now the media is on to him. If you are hitting over .380 at the start of June, you get to a point where Dayan Viciedo or somebody can have a great game, and Paulie still gets the headline.

TDog
06-02-2012, 01:46 AM
I wonder if they realize the irony (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/featured/10174/index.htm) of this story...

Not to mention the irony of Sports Illustrated overlooking the White Sox as a team before the season started. Or so I read here.

MISoxfan
06-02-2012, 11:03 AM
Konerko hasn't really been a "star" for most of his career, though. He's been a steady 1B and mostly reliable, but it's not like he's been putting up eye-popping numbers for his 14 years here and people are just starting to realize it.

Here is his career, 1999-2009, his first 11 seasons with the Sox:

.280/.355/.497... Averages per 162 G: 32 HR, 102 RBI, 31 2B, OPS+ of 118. These are fine numbers but they're far from superstar material at an offensive first position like 1B.

Here he is 2010-present:

.316/.399/.564... 162 G averages: 38 HR, 117 RBI, 32 2B, OPS+ of 156.

That's a drastic improvement. Those are legitimate superstar numbers for a 1B. It's an incredible, basically never-before-seen, transformation for a guy at this stage of his career.

I'm curious to see what the rest of the leagues OPS+ would look like if you removed all of the busted roiders. I realize that you can't do that, but he would have certainly stood out more in at least the HR category, and actually had a bit of black ink.

2004 (1st)
2005 (2nd)
2006 (6th)
2007 (3rd)

Edit - I had listed all of the HR leaders from those years to show how many roiders were there, but the formet was screwed up.

PatK
06-02-2012, 12:54 PM
I wonder where Paulie will show up in the All-Star voting.

Comparing his stats with other 1B' on the mlb ballot at mlb.com, he's leading in every category but RBIs (1 behind Fielder) and stolen bases. He's clearly the best in the AL right now.

Also, looking at the comparison on the ballots, Fielder has a stolen base?

HomeFish
06-02-2012, 01:09 PM
Also, looking at the comparison on the ballots, Fielder has a stolen base?

Konerko has an inside the park home run and *several* career stolen bases. It can happen if somebody screws up or as part of a double steal.