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Lip Man 1
05-11-2012, 04:23 PM
From this week's print edition of S.I.

Since Rivera became the Yankee closer in 1997 they have had only four players get 10 or more saves in that span.

The White Sox have had the most in that time period with 15 guys getting 10 or more saves in a season.

The Padres with three players has had the fewest in that span.

OK someone list the 15 Sox players.

Lip

kevingrt
05-11-2012, 04:50 PM
From this week's print edition of S.I.

Since Rivera became the Yankee closer in 1997 they have had only four players get 10 or more saves in that span.

The White Sox have had the most in that time period with 15 guys getting 10 or more saves in a season.

The Padres with three players has had the fewest in that span.

OK someone list the 15 Sox players.

Lip

I mean seriously who cares. The save stat is so overrated and pointless it is stupid but...

R. Hernandez
K. Foulke
B. Jenks
S. Takatsu
D. Hermanson
S. Santos
B. Simas
M. Karchner
D. Marte
T. Gordon
B. Koch

And I'm out....

mzh
05-11-2012, 04:53 PM
Off the top of my head-

Bobby Hernandez, Keith Foulke, Antonio Osuna, Billy Koch, Damaso Marte (the 2002 trifecta mentioned in a thread recently), Boom Boom Bob Howry, Shingo, Dustin Hermanson, Bobby Jenks, Sergio Santos.

That's 10. Who the other 5 are will take some research :cool:

Foulke You
05-11-2012, 06:02 PM
I mean seriously who cares. The save stat is so overrated and pointless it is stupid but...

R. Hernandez
K. Foulke
B. Jenks
S. Takatsu
D. Hermanson
S. Santos
B. Simas
M. Karchner
D. Marte
T. Gordon
B. Koch

And I'm out....
I dunno, I checked baseball reference for 10+ save seasons from 1997 through 2011 and the only two not on kevingrt's list are:

Bob Howry
Antonio Osuna

Unless I made an error, that means there were 13 and not 15. Perhaps SI got it wrong?

Marqhead
05-11-2012, 07:03 PM
I dunno, I checked baseball reference for 10+ save seasons from 1997 through 2011 and the only two not on kevingrt's list are:

Bob Howry
Antonio Osuna

Unless I made an error, that means there were 13 and not 15. Perhaps SI got it wrong?

Both Thornton and Sale have 10 or more in their careers, but they each have a season high of 8. Maybe that's where the mistake is?

Lip Man 1
05-11-2012, 08:11 PM
No they said the Sox had 15 guys with 10 or more saves in a season since 1997.

Checking Retrosheet.org here's what I get:

97: Hernandez-27, Karchner-15
98: Simas-18, Karchner-11
99: Howry-28
00: Foulke-34
01: Foulke-42
02: Foulke-11, Osuna-11, Marte-10
03: Gordon-12, Marte-11, Koch-11
04: Takatsu-19
05: Hermanson-34
06: Jenks-41
07: Jenks-40
08: Jenks-30
09: Jenks-29
10: Jenks-27
11: Santos-30

Comes out to 13 by my count.

Oh and Kevin, when you've got over 600 like Rivera and a postseason ERA of less than one...it's not meaningless. The guy's going into the Hall of Fame based on a meaningless stat? Come on.

Lip

Marqhead
05-11-2012, 08:39 PM
Oh and Kevin, when you've got over 600 like Rivera and a postseason ERA of less than one...it's not meaningless. The guy's going into the Hall of Fame based on a meaningless stat? Come on.

Lip

The save stat is meaningless, Mariano's effectiveness and HOF qualifications are not.

DSpivack
05-11-2012, 08:52 PM
The save stat is meaningless, Mariano's effectiveness and HOF qualifications are not.

Yeah, unless you're as good as Mariano you're pretty replaceable and turnover is very high.

fram40
05-12-2012, 12:43 PM
The save stat is meaningless, Mariano's effectiveness and HOF qualifications are not.

I'll nit pick - I wouldn't call it meaningless, but I would say it is somewhat overrated