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GoGoCrede
04-15-2012, 05:22 PM
Oh well.

KnightSox
04-15-2012, 05:23 PM
We had our chances, but i'm loving the fight this team showed.

soltrain21
04-15-2012, 05:23 PM
Sweep would have been cool, just didn't have it today. It happens.

Someone needs to punch Valverde square in the testicles.

Frater Perdurabo
04-15-2012, 05:23 PM
Disappointing end to a good series.

GoGoCrede
04-15-2012, 05:24 PM
Yikes, I didn't see that a postgame thread(s) had already been made. :redface:

GoGoCrede
04-15-2012, 05:25 PM
Sweep would have been cool, just didn't have it today. It happens.

Someone needs to punch Valverde square in the testicles.

His Gamecast photo is especially punchable. :tongue:

RKMeibalane
04-15-2012, 05:25 PM
There are three different post-game threads. LOL!

KnightSox
04-15-2012, 05:26 PM
Yikes, I didn't see that a postgame thread(s) had already been made. :redface:We all waited, and then we all acted at once.

Broccoli Rob
04-15-2012, 05:29 PM
Mostly flat game from beginning to end. Stupid baserunning by Dunn and untimely hitting from just about the whole team. Sale needs to come out sharper, way too many 6+ pitch ABs--this rotation is thin enough already.

shingo10
04-15-2012, 05:34 PM
This upcoming series is a big one. We've played well against everyone up to this point but now it will be interesting to see how they come out against at home against a team that should be pretty beatable. Baltimore has been playing pretty decent so far but still...we should be thinking 3 of 4.

Good fight from the guys today even though they were outplayed in every facet.

Please learn how to win on Sundays. Please.

Viva Medias B's
04-15-2012, 05:38 PM
Win two out of every three, and the rest will take care of itself.

Crestani
04-15-2012, 05:39 PM
Two out of three is nice...Keep it up...However, I would not use Ohman anymore against right handed batters, he simply cannot get them out..!!

gobears1987
04-15-2012, 05:41 PM
Sale is looking to have the same problem Danks had his first few years. It's a common problem for young pitchers to be inefficient and try to strike everyone out. It's a problem he will fix as he pitches more.

Danks had Buehrle to teach him and fix him. Sale will now have Danks to do the same job.

Zakath
04-15-2012, 05:42 PM
Didn't get to Porcello and Detroit's lineup is one you're not going to hold down forever, even though Cabrera went 0-12 in the series.

We still need to find a 2 hitter. Morel is really struggling out there.

Nice to see Dunn come back after the Golden Sombrero on Friday to get 3 doubles between yesterday and today.

The forgotten guy in the rotation finally gets to go tomorrow.

Lip Man 1
04-15-2012, 05:46 PM
The loss today takes nothing away from the start. So far so good.

Pitching has been great, defense has been great...hitting...well there's the pitching and defense.

In my mind now comes the real test. Sox have usually played well against the good teams and lost far to many games against garbage.

Well the next 10 games are against mediocrity defined.

They need to win at least six.

We'll see.

Lip

Bucky F. Dent
04-15-2012, 05:53 PM
Happy to take two of three from the presumptive favorite to win the division.

Tragg
04-15-2012, 05:53 PM
My thoughts on the roster.
We're obviously thin.
We need to move someone else into the 2 hole. Maybe Morel will do better at the bottom where he can just swing and not know he's making key outs in front of Paul Konerko.
If Beckham can't hit, and if Escobar is playing good D at 2nd, send Beckham to the minors somewhere where he can regather that nice swing he once had. He's too valuable to waste in a bag-of-balls trade.
If Fukudome can't hit - and I really have no idea whether he has any bat speed left - he's useless. We need a bench bat on the team and he's holding that spot.
We're going to have some ups and downs with the middle relief. So far it's been great. Brian Bruney is the alternative, so leave these guys alone.
Interested to see how Humber does in his first start tomorrow.

TDog
04-15-2012, 05:54 PM
The Tigers won today the way the White Sox won the first two games of the series. The difference in the game was pitching and defense.

The Tigers scored in their last at bat to put widen the lead, just as the Sox did in their wins, but before that, they scored on a solo home run and two wild pitches. The second run was set up by poor defense, the misplayed, wind-blown flyball that De Aza turned into a double for the first Tigers hit with a runner in scoring position this series. By contrast, with Dunn on second, the Tigers shortstop robbed Konerko of a hit and turned it into a double play. Unless Dunn's first movement on hard line drive is back to second, he isn't going to avoid being doubled up on that.

It may have been a winnable game for the White Sox, but Sale didn't go deep enough into that game. It was good to see Ohman in the game if only because of the old-style stirrups, but he in that game too long, probably becaue the starter only went five. Going to the same relievers every day will burn out your bullpen, and it looked like he was trying to avoid bringing in Reed. You want to limit relievers warming up on days they don't get into the game.

The Tigers blew some chances today, but Porcello pitched well enough that it didn't matter. Until the ninth, the Tigers played great defense. Cabrera looked much better at third than I expected, despite going hitless in the series.

I had hoped for a better outing from Sale, but as tough as Porcello was today, he needed to go deeper into the game with fewer mistakes.

DickAllen72
04-15-2012, 05:57 PM
My thoughts on the roster.
If Beckham can't hit, and if Escobar is playing good D at 2nd, send Beckham to the minors somewhere where he can regather that nice swing he once had. He's too valuable to waste in a bag-of-balls trade.

I'd start Escobar at 2B and let him bat second in the lineup. Let Morel bat ninth and give him a month or two to see what he could do.

If Beckham can't regain his swing in the minors, I still think he would make an excellent utility infielder.

SoxSpeed22
04-15-2012, 05:58 PM
Can't complain about 2 of 3 against the Tigers.

October26
04-15-2012, 05:59 PM
Happy to take two of three from the presumptive favorite to win the division.

Me too. Obviously, a Sox sweep would have been great but I'll take the series win against the Tigers. And I am loving Viciedo's swing right now (although I did not get to see his home run today, as I am out running errands this afternoon).

SCCWS
04-15-2012, 06:14 PM
In fairness to Humber, he has been sitting for a few weeks w/o game action. May be a little rusty tomorrow.

Zakath
04-15-2012, 06:33 PM
In fairness to Humber, he has been sitting for a few weeks w/o game action. May be a little rusty tomorrow.

He pitched in the last exhibition game in Houston on April 4, so it'll have been 12 days by tomorrow.

Lip Man 1
04-15-2012, 06:46 PM
Just wondering. Perhaps someone has the answer. The Sox have hit 11 home runs this year. How many have come with someone actually on base as opposed to solo shots?

Lip

russ99
04-15-2012, 06:47 PM
Despite the loss, nice game to be at. Awesome to be first row in the bleachers on an 80 degree day on April 15th.

Plus, Viciedo's homer hit the concrete about 2 feet away from me. :D:

Sadly, Robin's "no-role bullpen" that was praised yesterday unraveled today.

Nice when it works, but sucks when you have to bring in Ohman to keep us within two in the ninth. The guy needed work, but asking a LOOGY to get through an inning against that lineup is too much. Should have brought Reed in to start the inning.

I'll take it a bit easy on Nate Jones, since he did well to limit the damage in a tough situation. Again, Sale shouldn't have started that inning.

Morel had a tough day. Hopefully just a bad day or we may need to figure something out about 3B.

Also, seemed there were two strike zones today (with binoculars), Porcello's and the portion of it that was a strike for Sale.

Huge props for the 1972 players race, similar to the sausage race in Milwaukee. Not sure if Gossage belongs with Melton and Allen, I'd have gone with Wilbur Wood as the third player.

all*star quentin
04-15-2012, 06:58 PM
I'm not a fan of Fukudome, and I'll keep the stat on how many W/L when Beckham isn't in the line up.

palehozenychicty
04-15-2012, 07:01 PM
It seemed like Detroit's talent got them a game, and this was it.

On to the Birds, who have played decently so far.

Zakath
04-15-2012, 07:04 PM
Just wondering. Perhaps someone has the answer. The Sox have hit 11 home runs this year. How many have come with someone actually on base as opposed to solo shots?

Lip

If I'm counting right, 8 of the 11 have been solo shots. And all 3 of the non-solo shots came in Cleveland.

vinny
04-15-2012, 07:12 PM
If I'm counting right, 8 of the 11 have been solo shots. And all 3 of the non-solo shots came in Cleveland.

Baseball Reference agrees with you. One by AJ in the first game, one each by De Aza and AJ in the second game.


Through today:
Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
RISP 7 56 51 19 14 3 1 2 17 0 0 4 16 .275 .321 .490 .812 25 0 0 0 1 2 0 .353 118 125
--- 7 161 151 7 35 8 2 7 7 0 0 8 40 .232 .280 .450 .730 68 0 2 0 0 0 2 .269 95 112
Men On 7 95 83 23 21 3 2 3 21 2 2 9 24 .253 .323 .446 .768 37 2 0 2 1 2 1 .316 109 111
1-- 7 39 32 4 7 0 1 1 4 2 2 5 8 .219 .324 .375 .699 12 2 0 2 0 0 1 .261 93 93
-2- 7 26 24 6 6 0 1 1 6 0 0 2 9 .250 .308 .458 .766 11 0 0 0 0 2 0 .357 106 121
--3 4 9 7 3 2 1 0 0 3 0 0 1 1 .286 .333 .429 .762 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 .286 108 78
12- 6 11 10 6 4 1 0 1 6 0 0 1 2 .400 .455 .800 1.255 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 .429 232 253
1-3 3 5 5 3 2 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 2 .400 .400 .600 1.000 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 .667 169 164
-23 2 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 -100 -100
123 2 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 -100 -100
on 1st lt 2 out 7 29 26 3 6 1 0 0 3 1 2 1 7 .231 .259 .269 .528 7 2 0 2 0 0 1 .316 48 50
on 3rd lt 2 out 5 9 8 6 4 2 0 0 5 0 0 0 1 .500 .444 .750 1.194 6 0 0 0 1 0 0 .500 217 201
on 3rd 2 out 5 10 9 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 .000 .100 .000 .100 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 -66 -72

LongLiveFisk
04-15-2012, 07:16 PM
Can't complain about 2 of 3 against the Tigers.

I feel better about that outcome when the series is tied after two games, but your point is well taken.

Moses_Scurry
04-15-2012, 07:17 PM
Wasn't here for the game thread, so I don't know if I am alone on this, but I thought they should have pinch hit Lillibeast for Morel in the 8th when he struck out with 2 runners on. I don't know if the lefty-righty matchup was there, but I definitely didn't feel very confident in Morel (or Beckham if he had pinch hit).

RKMeibalane
04-15-2012, 07:30 PM
Despite the loss, nice game to be at. Awesome to be first row in the bleachers on an 80 degree day on April 15th.

Plus, Viciedo's homer hit the concrete about 2 feet away from me. :D:


What were you wearing? The camera does a nice job zooming in as the ball clears the fence.

ChiSoxGal85
04-15-2012, 07:37 PM
Sweep would have been cool, just didn't have it today. It happens.

Someone needs to punch Valverde square in the testicles.
Yes please. Even better would have been to score enough runs off of him to boot him from the game, then take the win. :D:

Happy to take two of three from the presumptive favorite to win the division.

:thumbsup: A sweep would have been sweet, but I'll take it.

I remember the Sox rolling over for the lesser teams last year, and feel confident we won't see that again. Go Sox!

Bucky F. Dent
04-15-2012, 07:44 PM
Sweep would have been cool, just didn't have it today. It happens.

Someone needs to punch Valverde square in the testicles.

Truth!

StillMissOzzie
04-15-2012, 08:00 PM
Can't complain about 2 of 3 against the Tigers.

My thoughts exactly. At least Robin didn't trot the B-team out there, knowing that a series win was already in hand.

SMO
:gulp:

Railsplitter
04-15-2012, 08:00 PM
Win two out of every three, and the rest will take care of itself.
And .625 winning percentage isn't too bad to have for a full season.

Zakath
04-15-2012, 08:10 PM
And .625 winning percentage isn't too bad to have for a full season.

Would be 101 wins. That'll get you in the playoffs...

Wedema
04-15-2012, 08:12 PM
The Tiger fans sitting around me today (and there were a lot of them) were real cocky considering their team had already lost the series going into the game. One guy a few rows back kept shouting, "How 'bout those Tigers' whenever they got a hit or made a nice fielding play. Speaking about nice fielding plays, Cabrera actually played a tough third base toay.

Frontman
04-15-2012, 08:18 PM
Eh, it happens. Even Dunn's brain fart was a 50/50 call. That ball could of easily have been over the SS's head and he got caught in no-man's land.

I'll take winning 2 out of 3 every series, or winning 2 out of three series of games, as it means competitive White Sox baseball the whole year.

One week in, I can't find a reason to complain about this team. Go-Go-White Sox!!!

RKMeibalane
04-15-2012, 08:42 PM
My thoughts exactly. At least Robin didn't trot the B-team out there, knowing that a series win was already in hand.

SMO
:gulp:

:jerry

"You know what I would have done."

russ99
04-15-2012, 09:05 PM
What were you wearing? The camera does a nice job zooming in as the ball clears the fence.

Powder blue 70's Sox shirt and red 70's Sox hat. I'm right in the shot. :D:

Glad none of the younger guys right there tried to make a grab, as that ball was scalded.

The good part is when the Sox security guy was in the "pit" to get the ball, he gave it to the little kid sitting next to me.

RKMeibalane
04-15-2012, 09:11 PM
Powder blue 70's Sox shirt and red 70's Sox hat. I'm right in the shot. :D:

Glad none of the younger guys right there tried to make a grab, that ball was scalded.

The good part is when the Sox security guy was in the "pit" to get the ball, he gave it to the little kid sitting next to me.

Yes, you're easy to spot in the shot. That home run reminded me of some of the missiles that Frank used to hit- barely any lift, but absolutely scalded.

JB98
04-15-2012, 10:33 PM
Today, I hope Robin learned you just can't trust Ohman to get right-handed hitters out. He's not a mop-up guy. He's not a guy to trust in high leverage spots. He's just a LOOGY. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sox would have been better off with Stewart working a second inning, or with Reed starting the ninth. Those two insurance runs eliminated most of the hope the Sox had for a comeback.

In any case, it wasn't our game to win. We were outplayed today. Just got beat. It happens.

TomBradley72
04-15-2012, 10:53 PM
Huge props for the 1972 players race, similar to the sausage race in Milwaukee. Not sure if Gossage belongs with Melton and Allen, I'd have gone with Wilbur Wood as the third player.

+1

24 wins-

Foulke You
04-16-2012, 03:38 AM
Today, I hope Robin learned you just can't trust Ohman to get right-handed hitters out. He's not a mop-up guy. He's not a guy to trust in high leverage spots. He's just a LOOGY. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sox would have been better off with Stewart working a second inning, or with Reed starting the ninth. Those two insurance runs eliminated most of the hope the Sox had for a comeback.
I was going to bring this up but you pretty much said exactly what I wanted to say. Ohman should only be used as a LOOGY and up until today, Robin had been using him primarily in that role. He just can't be trusted against right handed batters. Stewart has barely pitched and is your long man in the pen. With no off day tomorrow and a four game series coming up, it would have made sense to stick with Stewart to try to keep the pen fresh for next week as he could have gone multiple innings. It didn't lose us the ballgame and is a minor complaint but definitely worth mentioning. As you said, hopefully the lesson was learned.

WisSoxFan
04-16-2012, 09:10 AM
Wasn't here for the game thread, so I don't know if I am alone on this, but I thought they should have pinch hit Lillibeast for Morel in the 8th when he struck out with 2 runners on. I don't know if the lefty-righty matchup was there, but I definitely didn't feel very confident in Morel (or Beckham if he had pinch hit).

My thought as to why Morel was allowed to hit is that it was the 8th game of the year and he (Ventura) was letting Morel sink or swim. Same with Ohman. My guess is if it where later in the year there would have been a pinch hitter in there for Morel. Just my two cents.

russ99
04-16-2012, 09:45 AM
My thought as to why Morel was allowed to hit is that it was the 8th game of the year and he (Ventura) was letting Morel sink or swim. Same with Ohman. My guess is if it where later in the year there would have been a pinch hitter in there for Morel. Just my two cents.

IMO, he's trying to work both Beckham and Morel out of their collective funks. If Beckham was given a mental health day, and if Morel is pinch hit, who plays third? Lillibridge has only 17 big league innings there and I don't know if Escobar has ever played 3B in the minors

doublem23
04-16-2012, 09:57 AM
IMO, he's trying to work both Beckham and Morel out of their collective funks. If Beckham was given a mental health day, and if Morel is pinch hit, who plays third? Lillibridge has only 17 big league innings there and I don't know if Escobar has ever played 3B in the minors

He has not

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=escoba001edu

WisSoxFan
04-16-2012, 10:06 AM
IMO, he's trying to work both Beckham and Morel out of their collective funks. If Beckham was given a mental health day, and if Morel is pinch hit, who plays third? Lillibridge has only 17 big league innings there and I don't know if Escobar has ever played 3B in the minors

I think we're in violent agreement.

Moses_Scurry
04-16-2012, 10:08 AM
IMO, he's trying to work both Beckham and Morel out of their collective funks. If Beckham was given a mental health day, and if Morel is pinch hit, who plays third? Lillibridge has only 17 big league innings there and I don't know if Escobar has ever played 3B in the minors

That makes sense. Pinch hitting Beckham for Morel probably does more harm than good. I guess I just figured that Lillibridge and/or Escobar had more experience. It's kind of depressing knowing that Beckham and Morel are the only options at 3rd. If Morel continues to be terrible or gets injured, then Beckham moves to third and Escobar/Bridge platoon at second? I can't say I'm thrilled by that scenario.

russ99
04-16-2012, 10:27 AM
That makes sense. Pinch hitting Beckham for Morel probably does more harm than good. I guess I just figured that Lillibridge and/or Escobar had more experience. It's kind of depressing knowing that Beckham and Morel are the only options at 3rd. If Morel continues to be terrible or gets injured, then Beckham moves to third and Escobar/Bridge platoon at second? I can't say I'm thrilled by that scenario.

We have Dallas McPherson at 3B in AAA too, but he'd probably only be a stopgap.

Unless we're leading the division in July, I'd prefer the Sox to give Morel and Beckham a good season-long shot to get their careers moving before looking for upgrades.

TomBradley72
04-16-2012, 10:42 AM
That makes sense. Pinch hitting Beckham for Morel probably does more harm than good. I guess I just figured that Lillibridge and/or Escobar had more experience. It's kind of depressing knowing that Beckham and Morel are the only options at 3rd. If Morel continues to be terrible or gets injured, then Beckham moves to third and Escobar/Bridge platoon at second? I can't say I'm thrilled by that scenario.

That's why we need to stick with Morel- we don't really have any other options within the organization- moving Beckham back to 3rd isn't one of them.

I'm willing to give Morel a little more time to settle in this year- I do like the way he can get a bunt down in the 2 slot- and with a little time that could be a good place for him- see more fastballs, focus on moving runners along, etc.

ChiSoxGal85
04-16-2012, 11:09 AM
That's why we need to stick with Morel- we don't really have any other options within the organization- moving Beckham back to 3rd isn't one of them.

I'm willing to give Morel a little more time to settle in this year- I do like the way he can get a bunt down in the 2 slot- and with a little time that could be a good place for him- see more fastballs, focus on moving runners along, etc.
I concur. Morel can lay down the bunt and he is capable of hitting to right field. It's painful to watch him right now, but I'm hoping he can eventually get comfortable and do the job in the #2 hole...otherwise, you're right - not too many other options anyway. I think his defensive play is a reason to keep him in the lineup, even if not in the #2 spot.

Paulwny
04-16-2012, 01:15 PM
Hopefully the Sox keep winning every series.
I was surprised with some of the plays Cabrera made at 3rd.

TDog
04-16-2012, 02:23 PM
Wasn't here for the game thread, so I don't know if I am alone on this, but I thought they should have pinch hit Lillibeast for Morel in the 8th when he struck out with 2 runners on. I don't know if the lefty-righty matchup was there, but I definitely didn't feel very confident in Morel (or Beckham if he had pinch hit).

Morel had hits in each of the first two games against the Tigers, including an RBI single on opening day. Morel had two more hits and one more RBI in the series than the Tigers third baseman.

I believe the only White Sox player on the bench to have at least one career hit against Benoit was Rios, and I think it was just one in maybe five at bats. Lillibridge, I think, was 0-for-1 in his career against Benoit. facing him once last year. Morel was 0-for-1 against Benoit having faced him last year.