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soxnut1018
04-02-2012, 07:25 PM
Per Bob Nightengale (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2012/04/joey-votto-reds-contract-extension/1#.T3pCUavyB2C)

The deal with run through 2023, when he's 39. Votto's a great player, but that's a huge commitment to a player who likely will be past his prime for half the contract.


Fangraph's take (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/joey-vottos-massive-extension-changes-the-game/)

palehozenychicty
04-02-2012, 07:30 PM
Market value deal. I have no problem with it. I think Toronto is kind of down. If he had tested the market, I'm really confident that they would pull out all the stops to sign him. But alas, it's not to be for them.

Good for the Reds.

DirtySox
04-02-2012, 07:34 PM
Love it. I really didn't think the Reds were going to be able to retain him.

ComiskeyBrewer
04-02-2012, 09:11 PM
Votto's projected WAR over the length of this contract:

2012: +6 WAR
2013: +6 WAR
2014: +5.5 WAR
2015: +5.0 WAR
2016: +4.5 WAR
2017: +4.0 WAR
2018: +3.5 WAR
2019: +2.8 WAR
2020: +2.1 WAR
2021: +1.4 WAR
2022: +0.7 WAR
2023: +0.0 WAR

That's over 90 million in the 2020-2023 seasons, with a total WAR of 4.2.

All this for a player who plays a position that is by far the easiest to replace in terms of offense(the top 10 1B in baseball have OPS above .830, the top 7 all above .900. 3 years ago the top 14 had OPS above .900).

I just don't see this as a good deal for the reds. If you could make it an 6 year deal(at the same yearly avg salary), it looks great. Heck, even 8 would be ok. But this deal is at least 4 years too long. I have a feeling the reds will regret this the same way the cubs now regret the Soriano signing. Just not smart, especially when you still had him under control for the next two years(which you would expect would have netted them a discount of some sort, apparently not).

SI1020
04-02-2012, 10:05 PM
Votto's projected WAR over the length of this contract:

2012: +6 WAR
2013: +6 WAR
2014: +5.5 WAR
2015: +5.0 WAR
2016: +4.5 WAR
2017: +4.0 WAR
2018: +3.5 WAR
2019: +2.8 WAR
2020: +2.1 WAR
2021: +1.4 WAR
2022: +0.7 WAR
2023: +0.0 WAR

That's over 90 million in the 2020-2023 seasons, with a total WAR of 4.2.

All this for a player who plays a position that is by far the easiest to replace in terms of offense(the top 10 1B in baseball have OPS above .830, the top 7 all above .900. 3 years ago the top 14 had OPS above .900).

I just don't see this as a good deal for the reds. If you could make it an 6 year deal(at the same yearly avg salary), it looks great. Heck, even 8 would be ok. But this deal is at least 4 years too long. I have a feeling the reds will regret this the same way the cubs now regret the Soriano signing. Just not smart, especially when you still had him under control for the next two years(which you would expect would have netted them a discount of some sort, apparently not). I think the deal is way too long, but who the hell knows what his WAR, PECOTA, VORP or even his waist size will be year to year over the duration of this contract.

TomBradley72
04-02-2012, 10:16 PM
Votto's projected WAR over the length of this contract:

2012: +6 WAR
2013: +6 WAR
2014: +5.5 WAR
2015: +5.0 WAR
2016: +4.5 WAR
2017: +4.0 WAR
2018: +3.5 WAR
2019: +2.8 WAR
2020: +2.1 WAR
2021: +1.4 WAR
2022: +0.7 WAR
2023: +0.0 WAR

That's over 90 million in the 2020-2023 seasons, with a total WAR of 4.2.

All this for a player who plays a position that is by far the easiest to replace in terms of offense(the top 10 1B in baseball have OPS above .830, the top 7 all above .900. 3 years ago the top 14 had OPS above .900).

I just don't see this as a good deal for the reds. If you could make it an 6 year deal(at the same yearly avg salary), it looks great. Heck, even 8 would be ok. But this deal is at least 4 years too long. I have a feeling the reds will regret this the same way the cubs now regret the Soriano signing. Just not smart, especially when you still had him under control for the next two years(which you would expect would have netted them a discount of some sort, apparently not).

Great point- contracts like this belong for rare players- GG shortstop who can also rake, a great hitting catcher, etc.- DH's and 1st basemen are very easy to find/replace- if you're building a roster/payroll- save the big money for the positions that are tough to fill.

guillensdisciple
04-02-2012, 10:55 PM
Holy ****!! That's insane- 21 million a year for votto. Never saw it coming