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Lip Man 1
03-28-2012, 10:44 PM
I'll have to call him Thursday and see what's up:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0329-white-sox-chicago--20120329,0,3811215.story

Lip

Brian26
03-28-2012, 10:50 PM
Fantastic move. Torborg's my all-time favorite Sox manager. Still have no idea how he guided the '90 team to 94 wins.

BRDSR
03-29-2012, 12:34 AM
This is a great move. I really like how the Sox keep their people involved. It allows for somewhat of an institutional culture to develop. This will be even more true with Ozzie leaving. He had the ability to create a culture all by himself. (Which was either good or bad, depending on whether the team was playing well on the field.)

The more I think/hear about Ventura and how his first year managing is shaping up, the more I like the move. This season is not going to be a success or failure because of Ventura, but I think he is poised for long-term success.

October26
03-29-2012, 07:18 AM
Wonderful news! I thought I had read somewhere that Torborg was ill? So glad to hear that he is well enough to come back to the White Sox organization. I can't wait to see him. :D:

Wsoxmike59
03-29-2012, 07:58 AM
Fantastic move. Torborg's my all-time favorite Sox manager. Still have no idea how he guided the '90 team to 94 wins.

Mine too Brian. After the 2005 season, the 1990 Sox team is my 2nd fav Sox team in history. Jeff always had the boys prepared to play, and the "Doing the liitle things" mantra added up to many a victory for the Sox.

I also think the 1990 season made a big impact on Ozzie Guillen as a player and that carried over in to his managerial career.

Let's hope Robin who was also a huge part of the 1990 team, carries that torch and brings the fundamentals and preparation of the game to this years team.

At first I was really down on the upcoming season not really knowing what to expect in 2012, but now after a few weeks of spring training, I'm looking FW to the season and see what Robin has in store for us.

It might be a bit premature, but I'm dreaming of a 2nd place finish and a possible shot at the wild card?? Hey it could happen.

Chez
03-29-2012, 08:47 AM
Wonderful news! I thought I had read somewhere that Torborg was ill? So glad to hear that he is well enough to come back to the White Sox organization. I can't wait to see him. :D:

I thought I heard that he has Parkinson's Disease and has a difficult time getting around.

Jerko
03-29-2012, 09:26 AM
I always liked the Kiss Demon's father.

Lip Man 1
03-29-2012, 12:45 PM
To all:

Jeff does have Parkinson's. It is primarily in one of his arms right now, there are times he simply can't stop it from shaking. But it's not to the point where he's ever lost the ability to get around, work-out, work in his garden etc.

He noticed something was wrong early and immediately went to see doctors. One of the finest Parkinson specialists in the country sees him when he heads to the Jersey shore for a month each summer, (he's from there).

The man is 70 and seriously he could probably kick 90% of the folks here at WSI's rear end's because there are few guys that work out harder than he does especially for his age. Remember his son is the Sox strength and conditioning coach.

I'll pass along your regards to him today if I can reach him.

Lip

soxfanatlanta
03-29-2012, 12:52 PM
I like the move; Torborg had some very successful seasons, and success breeds success, right?

Lip Man 1
03-29-2012, 02:36 PM
Just got off the phone with Jeff from his home in Florida. He's flattered that the Sox asked him to come back and help. He just spent a few weeks at spring training and will be joining the team at times during the season.

His health is good, the only issue is with his right arm which he said he can control somewhat by holding on to a rubber ball and squeezing it.

He thinks Robin will make a good manager because of his disposition and Jeff said, he has an excellent coaching staff to help him, Jeff said it's really a first rate staff.

He talked about what he saw at spring training and he said, "Mark, remember the name Hector Santiago."

Jeff talked about him, how he's got a good physical makeup, is a tough kid from Jersey and he said that screwball he throws is a killer pitch. He said he actually throws the pitch out of a circle-change grip, which he's never seen before. Jeff said if he was managing, Santiago would be his closer even though he's just a rookie. He said with that pitch at times he's unhittable.

Always great to talk to Jeff, you'll never meet a better man anywhere and yes he had a ton of stories because he ran into so many of his former players at spring training, Thigpen, Radinsky, Bo Jackson.

Just a wonderful way to spend an hour in late March!

Lip

TomBradley72
03-29-2012, 04:29 PM
Just got off the phone with Jeff from his home in Florida. He's flattered that the Sox asked him to come back and help. He just spent a few weeks at spring training and will be joining the team at times during the season.

His health is good, the only issue is with his right arm which he said he can control somewhat by holding on to a rubber ball and squeezing it.

He thinks Robin will make a good manager because of his disposition and Jeff said, he has an excellent coaching staff to help him, Jeff said it's really a first rate staff.

He talked about what he saw at spring training and he said, "Mark, remember the name Hector Santiago."

Jeff talked about him, how he's got a good physical makeup, is a tough kid from Jersey and he said that screwball he throws is a killer pitch. He said he actually throws the pitch out of a circle-change grip, which he's never seen before. Jeff said if he was managing, Santiago would be his closer even though he's just a rookie. He said with that pitch at times he's unhittable.

Always great to talk to Jeff, you'll never meet a better man anywhere and yes he had a ton of stories because he ran into so many of his former players at spring training, Thigpen, Radinsky, Bo Jackson.

Just a wonderful way to spend an hour in late March!

Lip

Thanks Lip!

I always loved Torborg- other than the LaRussa firing- I was very disappointed when Schueler "allowed" Jeff to go to New York and replaced him with Gene Lemont- that long losing streak in later 1991 just did him in.

Great guy and he seemed to get the most out his players- the White Sox were at their best in executing fundamentals ("Doin' the little things") under Torborg- great move by the Sox (and Robin?) to bring him back.

Brian26
03-29-2012, 08:34 PM
Just got off the phone with Jeff from his home in Florida. He's flattered that the Sox asked him to come back and help. He just spent a few weeks at spring training and will be joining the team at times during the season.

His health is good, the only issue is with his right arm which he said he can control somewhat by holding on to a rubber ball and squeezing it.

He thinks Robin will make a good manager because of his disposition and Jeff said, he has an excellent coaching staff to help him, Jeff said it's really a first rate staff.

He talked about what he saw at spring training and he said, "Mark, remember the name Hector Santiago."

Jeff talked about him, how he's got a good physical makeup, is a tough kid from Jersey and he said that screwball he throws is a killer pitch. He said he actually throws the pitch out of a circle-change grip, which he's never seen before. Jeff said if he was managing, Santiago would be his closer even though he's just a rookie. He said with that pitch at times he's unhittable.

Always great to talk to Jeff, you'll never meet a better man anywhere and yes he had a ton of stories because he ran into so many of his former players at spring training, Thigpen, Radinsky, Bo Jackson.

Just a wonderful way to spend an hour in late March!

Lip

Great stuff, Lip.

Noneck
03-29-2012, 09:22 PM
I wonder why Torborg was never involved in the previous regime, considering he managed ozwaldo and had him on his staff with the expos.

Lamp81
03-30-2012, 12:29 AM
Thanks Lip!

I always loved Torborg- other than the LaRussa firing- I was very disappointed when Schueler "allowed" Jeff to go to New York and replaced him with Gene Lemont- that long losing streak in later 1991 just did him in.

Great guy and he seemed to get the most out his players- the White Sox were at their best in executing fundamentals ("Doin' the little things") under Torborg- great move by the Sox (and Robin?) to bring him back.

I've always wondered how the Sox fortunes in the 90s would have been different if Torbrog stayed. Would we have made more playoff appearances? A World Series?

At the very least, it could have prevented the Bevington Era.

BainesHOF
03-30-2012, 02:29 AM
A few quick comments...

Torborg was awesome when he managed us. That 1990 club played the game the way it's supposed to be played. I remember the ridiculous criticism of Torborg around the time he left us that he had too many meetings.

I don't think Torborg, Bell and the rest of these part-time coaches should be in uniform or watch the games from the dugout. Players often don't take kindly to such short-term interlopers.

So far, I have nothing but good feelings about the coaching staff. Cooper needs to watch his mouth, though. His attitude on his Score appearances continues to suck.

I liked Santiago a lot when he pitched for us last season. It was a joke that he didn't pitch more.

I think we have a chance to have a pretty good year. It's funny that the media perception has become more positive toward the team lately. I didn't understand how we were somehow being lumped in with the Cubs, who are going to be completely awful.

thomas35forever
03-30-2012, 02:50 AM
Was only a year old in '90, so I don't know much about him other than he won AL Manager of the Year. What was his style like?

tstrike2000
03-30-2012, 07:27 AM
Fantastic move. Torborg's my all-time favorite Sox manager. Still have no idea how he guided the '90 team to 94 wins.

He was a good one and it was unfortunate he didn't stay around longer with the Sox. Good to see him back in the mix.

Bucky F. Dent
03-30-2012, 08:30 AM
Glad to see Torborg back with the club!!!

Thanks, Lip!

Lip Man 1
03-30-2012, 12:45 PM
Thomas:

Jeff is a very 'straight-arrow' type person with strong religious beliefs. He handled players and managed that way as in the fact that he put "family" and "team" first.

The players were a young, close knit group, Jeff treated them like men and expected them to do certain things. He gave them respect and they respected him in return.

He strongly believed in defense and was shrewed in his evaluations. He decided to move Ivan Calderon from right to left field because he felt Ivan would be better defensively and he was right.

Offensively he played to get an early lead if he could, that usually worked because he had a strong, deep bullpen that he wasn't afraid to use. The 90 bullpen had three left handers and three right handers and he'd mix and match in game situations. He also was very careful about overusing pitchers, his players strongly backed Jeff when I brought up the talk of him ruining Bobby Thigpen by 'overuse.'

Here's about the best example I can give you about Jeff's style and the way he treated players, from my interview with him:

"We were in Kansas City and had a day off before that series. I told the guys ‘look I want you to come out here on your off day for a practice. I want to emphasize the things we worked on in spring training…relay throws, hitting the cutoff man, bunting and so on. If you do this and really work hard, instead of having you guys come back early for a practice before we start the second half, you can have all three days off.’

So we get to the ballpark and you know this Mark, it’s very hot in Kansas City in July. I told the guys, ‘wear anything you want’ for the practice. I turned it over to the coaches and went back to my office to start working on lineups and stuff for the series. After about an hour I went back outside and figured that everybody would be gone but I saw their clothes were still in the lockers…so I went on the field and the guys were done with the workout but were still on the field just playing ball! They were having a great time so I said to myself, ‘OK let’s do something with this.’ So I ordered pizzas and we had soda and beer, sat around the locker room and had a really great time.”

Lip

chisox77
03-30-2012, 10:57 PM
Thomas:

Jeff is a very 'straight-arrow' type person with strong religious beliefs. He handled players and managed that way as in the fact that he put "family" and "team" first.

The players were a young, close knit group, Jeff treated them like men and expected them to do certain things. He gave them respect and they respected him in return.

He strongly believed in defense and was shrewed in his evaluations. He decided to move Ivan Calderon from right to left field because he felt Ivan would be better defensively and he was right.

Offensively he played to get an early lead if he could, that usually worked because he had a strong, deep bullpen that he wasn't afraid to use. The 90 bullpen had three left handers and three right handers and he'd mix and match in game situations. He also was very careful about overusing pitchers, his players strongly backed Jeff when I brought up the talk of him ruining Bobby Thigpen by 'overuse.'

Here's about the best example I can give you about Jeff's style and the way he treated players, from my interview with him:

"We were in Kansas City and had a day off before that series. I told the guys ‘look I want you to come out here on your off day for a practice. I want to emphasize the things we worked on in spring training…relay throws, hitting the cutoff man, bunting and so on. If you do this and really work hard, instead of having you guys come back early for a practice before we start the second half, you can have all three days off.’

So we get to the ballpark and you know this Mark, it’s very hot in Kansas City in July. I told the guys, ‘wear anything you want’ for the practice. I turned it over to the coaches and went back to my office to start working on lineups and stuff for the series. After about an hour I went back outside and figured that everybody would be gone but I saw their clothes were still in the lockers…so I went on the field and the guys were done with the workout but were still on the field just playing ball! They were having a great time so I said to myself, ‘OK let’s do something with this.’ So I ordered pizzas and we had soda and beer, sat around the locker room and had a really great time.”

Lip

Great stuff, Lip, thanks for sharing this. When I think of Jeff Torborg, I think of a really great time to be a White Sox fan, with a good young team on the rise with the right manager. I have great memories of that time in White Sox history. Good move to bring him back in some capacity.

palehozenychicty
04-01-2012, 09:01 AM
I became a fan of the team when the Torborg era started, as a kid. I really think the era would have been different had he stayed on as the manager.

They didn't have the steroid-laden roster of Oakland or the athleticism of the Jays. But they played hard and smart. That goes a long way with Sox fans.

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Frontman
04-01-2012, 10:08 AM
Awesome to hear. Both his involvement and his health!

SCCWS
04-01-2012, 12:06 PM
Great move. I believe a young or an inexperienced manager/coach should add a former coach to their staff as a sounding board. It obviously needs to be someone they choose( as opposed to their boss) and respect. This is a very popular trend in college hoops where even veteran coaches ( Calhoun, Pitino, Huggins to name a few) have added a retired coach to their staff on occasion.

Lamp81
04-01-2012, 05:25 PM
I just went back through Lip's interview with Torborg.

He was really pushed out the door to the Mets. If Torborg turned the Mets down, Shueler indicated he still could be fired. While I could understand wanting to bring Jim Leyland in, there is no way Gene Lamont would be a better manager than Torborg.

Sure Lamont won the division in 93 and 94, but with those teams, most managers (except Bevington) would have wom the AL West/Central.

At the time, I really wanted Fisk to be appointed manager. He was clearly done as a player, just hanging on to get the catching record (and then promptly released).

Of course, I didn't know that Fisk had his troubles with Shueler and Reinsdorf, so he never would have been given the reigns.

Summing this up, I'm glad Schueler resigned, and was replaced by KW, although it may now be time to replace KW.

soxfanreggie
04-01-2012, 05:43 PM
Just got off the phone with Jeff from his home in Florida. He's flattered that the Sox asked him to come back and help. He just spent a few weeks at spring training and will be joining the team at times during the season.

His health is good, the only issue is with his right arm which he said he can control somewhat by holding on to a rubber ball and squeezing it.

He thinks Robin will make a good manager because of his disposition and Jeff said, he has an excellent coaching staff to help him, Jeff said it's really a first rate staff.

He talked about what he saw at spring training and he said, "Mark, remember the name Hector Santiago."

Jeff talked about him, how he's got a good physical makeup, is a tough kid from Jersey and he said that screwball he throws is a killer pitch. He said he actually throws the pitch out of a circle-change grip, which he's never seen before. Jeff said if he was managing, Santiago would be his closer even though he's just a rookie. He said with that pitch at times he's unhittable.

Always great to talk to Jeff, you'll never meet a better man anywhere and yes he had a ton of stories because he ran into so many of his former players at spring training, Thigpen, Radinsky, Bo Jackson.

Just a wonderful way to spend an hour in late March!

Lip

Great info, especially about his health and Santiago! Glad he's back where he belongs - working with the Sox, hopefully for many years!

soxinem1
04-03-2012, 08:33 AM
The crap Scheuler pulled with both Jeff Torborg and Robin were two of the largest blemishes of his GM tenure.

Let's just hope the reunion tour does not include Scheuler himself.