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Jerry_Manuel
07-19-2002, 11:58 PM
Was I the only person who found this funny:

December 14, 1982- The Sox sign the top free agent pitcher in the off season, Floyd Bannister to a five year, 4.5 million dollar contract. The Sox outbid 16 other teams for his services. Yankees owner George Steinbrenner is infuriated and calls the tandem of Reinsdorf and Einhorn, the "Katzenjammer Kids" who are out to ruin baseball. Steinbrenner also expresses regret that he voted against allowing Bill Veeck to sell the team to Eddie DeBartolo.

nut_stock
07-20-2002, 12:03 AM
Just another what if in Sox history. What if the team was sold to DeBartolo?

If somebody has info on the guy please share it. I think I read once that he owned a bunch of horse-racing tracks, not sure.

PaleHoseGeorge
07-20-2002, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by nut_stock
Just another what if in Sox history. What if the team was sold to DeBartolo?

If somebody has info on the guy please share it. I think I read once that he owned a bunch of horse-racing tracks, not sure.

This is the place where Daver jumps in.

:)

Chisox_cali
07-20-2002, 12:05 AM
I didn't expect the article to end with Maggs HR at last years All-Star game. I'm sure that there were some other crappy moments that year. Not to mention 9/11 or the comeback game that we played against the Yanks.

NUKE_CLEVELAND
07-20-2002, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel
Was I the only person who found this funny:



That tears it. Stienbrenner is the biggest hypocrite in MLB.

Daver
07-20-2002, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by nut_stock
Just another what if in Sox history. What if the team was sold to DeBartolo?

If somebody has info on the guy please share it. I think I read once that he owned a bunch of horse-racing tracks, not sure.

This has been posted ad nauseam,Eddie Debartolo Sr. tried to buy the White Sox and was rejected by the rest of the owners,for his gambling interests and his ties with a certain "family" that need not be mentioned,his son later went on to buy the San Francisco 49's and be forced out of his ownership for his concealed interest in a casino and other undisclosed reasons.

RedPinStripes
07-20-2002, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by daver


This has been posted ad nauseam,Eddie Debartolo Sr. tried to buy the White Sox and was rejected by the rest of the owners,for his gambling interests and his ties with a certain "family" that need not be mentioned,his son later went on to buy the San Francisco 49's and be forced out of his ownership for his concealed interest in a casino and other undisclosed reasons.

Stienbrenner owns race tracks.

Wonder why they let him own a team . No further comment.

Daver
07-20-2002, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by RedPinStripes


Stienbrenner owns race tracks.

Wonder why they let him own a team . No further comment.

I never mentioned race tracks now did I?

NUKE_CLEVELAND
07-20-2002, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by daver


I never mentioned race tracks now did I?

Nah, he hired Pete Rose as his personal gambling consultant.

LongDistanceFan
07-20-2002, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by daver


This has been posted ad nauseam,Eddie Debartolo Sr. tried to buy the White Sox and was rejected by the rest of the owners,for his gambling interests and his ties with a certain "family" that need not be mentioned,his son later went on to buy the San Francisco 49's and be forced out of his ownership for his concealed interest in a casino and other undisclosed reasons.

which debartolo was involve in the LA scandal of money laundering, bribes, and other such actions?

Jerry_Manuel
07-20-2002, 12:18 AM
This one is so true today:

November 1997- Sox 3rd base coach Doug Rader quits in disgust citing communication problems, executive meddling and G.M. Ron Schueler’s control of pitching decisions. Rader says, "it seemed like the whole place revolved around silly little games and politics."

LongDistanceFan
07-20-2002, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by daver


I never mentioned race tracks now did I? but he did own some in the chicago area, right?

NUKE_CLEVELAND
07-20-2002, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel
This one is so true today:



Sounds like the ship that Manuel is running these days with the guys.

:jerry "I'm the president!"

:nardi "I'm the vice president!"

:hitless "I'm ...uh... the QUEEN!"

LongDistanceFan
07-20-2002, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel
This one is so true today:

yup, kw involvment with JM

RedPinStripes
07-20-2002, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by daver


I never mentioned race tracks now did I?

Neither did I

PaleHoseGeorge
07-20-2002, 12:22 AM
Let me just say, clearly and equivocally, that I'm 100 percent in favor of Mob ownership of the Sox if it means the Sox will win a championship.

Let me state further, I'm also in favor of Mob ownership of the Sox if it means Jerry Reinsdorf's 22 season-long "Reign of Error" is finally brought to an end.

Thank you. Discuss among yourselves.

Daver
07-20-2002, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by LongDistanceFan


which debartolo was involve in the LA scandal of money laundering, bribes, and other such actions?

That would be Debartolo Jr.

RedPinStripes
07-20-2002, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
Let me just say, clearly and equivocally, that I'm 100 percent in favor of Mob ownership of the Sox if it means the Sox will win a championship.

Let me state further, I'm also in favor of Mob ownership of the Sox if it means Jerry Reinsdorf's 22 season-long "Reign of Error" is finally brought to an end.

Thank you. Discuss among yourselves.

YES :cool: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LongDistanceFan
07-20-2002, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
Let me just say, clearly and equivocally, that I'm 100 percent in favor of Mob ownership of the Sox if it means the Sox will win a championship.

Let me state further, I'm also in favor of Mob ownership of the Sox if it means Jerry Reinsdorf's 22 season-long "Reign of Error" is finally brought to an end.

Thank you. Discuss among yourselves.

i can imagine the offers some of these players will get.......... and afraid if they say no, i want a better contract.

Kilroy
07-20-2002, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
Let me just say, clearly and equivocally, that I'm 100 percent in favor of Mob ownership of the Sox if it means the Sox will win a championship.

I'm there with ya, as long as the baseball was clean. I couldn't care less where the $$ to pay players came from, as long as the games weren't messed with...

Daver
07-20-2002, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
Let me just say, clearly and equivocally, that I'm 100 percent in favor of Mob ownership of the Sox if it means the Sox will win a championship.

Let me state further, I'm also in favor of Mob ownership of the Sox if it means Jerry Reinsdorf's 22 season-long "Reign of Error" is finally brought to an end.

Thank you. Discuss among yourselves.

It will never happen,as closely as MLB is watched these by the US Government the mob would never put money in it.Keep in mind the mafia suffers from money constipation,they need to find unkknown places to launder it,the MLB is a really rotten choice right now.

LongDistanceFan
07-20-2002, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by daver


It will never happen,as closely as MLB is watched these by the US Government the mob would never put money in it.Keep in mind the mafia suffers from money constipation,they need to find unkknown places to launder it,the MLB is a really rotten choice right now.

maybe the Vatican can help with that.

Daver
07-20-2002, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by LongDistanceFan


maybe the Vatican can help with that.

LMAO!!!!!!

LongDistanceFan
07-20-2002, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by daver


LMAO!!!!!!

i was wondering if some people didn't know what i was talking about.

PaleHoseGeorge
07-20-2002, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by daver


It will never happen,as closely as MLB is watched these by the US Government the mob would never put money in it.Keep in mind the mafia suffers from money constipation,they need to find unkknown places to launder it,the MLB is a really rotten choice right now.

Yeah, and besides, would you really want to know what they put in the hotdogs?

I have visions of Todd Ritchie's leg sticking out of a wood chipper.

:)

LongDistanceFan
07-20-2002, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge



I have visions of Todd Ritchie's leg sticking out of a wood chipper.

:) oh man, what a sight that would be. LMAO

Daver
07-20-2002, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge


Yeah, and besides, would you really want to know what they put in the hotdogs?

I have visions of Todd Ritchie's leg sticking out of a wood chipper.

:)
Get your Parque dog,hey you want fries with that?

LongDistanceFan
07-20-2002, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by daver

Get your Parque dog,hey you want fries with that? can you imagine what part of your agent will come back to you with your request for a new contract.

Procol Harum
07-20-2002, 12:01 PM
My kudos to Lip for the re-counting of the Reinsdorf years--a very nice memory jogger, indeed! But, my Lord, what a depressing catalogue of reasons why Reinsdorf may very well prove to be the death knell of the Chicago White Sox as a MLB franchise--particularly in light of events as they have evolved this season, the prospect of yet another strike, and the frightening possibility that somehow the pathetic Cubs may actually have stumbled their way to assembling the makings of a great corps of young players in Wood, Patterson, Prior, and several more in the minors.

Folks, the stage has been set for the Chicago Cardinalization of the Pale Hose. With all the insult and injury that has been the lot of Sox fans during Reinsdorf's regime, it's almost enough to make you start looking for another baseball rooting interest because these guys--as long as they can end up with a buck--have no concern for the reputation, tradition and fan-base of the Chicago White Sox.

SI1020
07-20-2002, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by nut_stock
Just another what if in Sox history. What if the team was sold to DeBartolo?

If somebody has info on the guy please share it. I think I read once that he owned a bunch of horse-racing tracks, not sure. With all due respect to others who have posted about this I request that you read what I posted in the thread Please Resign Mr Williams which is I believe in the Parking Lot. The story of Edward J DeBartolo Sr is much more complicated and multifacted than some would have you believe. I don't know if he was "pristine" or not. Hell he grew up in Youngstown, Ohio and that is one tough place and quite unique in its politics and economics too. I do know that his background was no worse than many owners of professional sports franchises in my lifetime. He did run many businesses that would be described as "legitimate" and his sports teams won titles. The Penguins won their first Stanley Cup Title under his ownership and this was the Siberia of Hockey for years and is about to be the same once again.

LongDistanceFan
07-20-2002, 04:10 PM
talking about checkered past, look at writz.

SI1020
07-20-2002, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by LongDistanceFan
talking about checkered past, look at writz. Exactly my point. Wirtz doesn't try very hard to win either. DeBartolo Sr. loved to win in business and in sports.

LongDistanceFan
07-20-2002, 06:20 PM
writz financial empire in massive. his vending company is what supplies the stadium, stl, tpa, fl and others. like the molson beer company take cares of the Canadians, writz shares the rest with another owner. i can't remember who.

his illegal dealings even rival that of any mobsters. there is a book written that tells of his back alley dealings.

DVG
07-21-2002, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by Procol Harum
My kudos to Lip for the re-counting of the Reinsdorf years--a very nice memory jogger, indeed! But, my Lord, what a depressing catalogue of reasons why Reinsdorf may very well prove to be the death knell of the Chicago White Sox as a MLB franchise--particularly in light of events as they have evolved this season, the prospect of yet another strike, and the frightening possibility that somehow the pathetic Cubs may actually have stumbled their way to assembling the makings of a great corps of young players in Wood, Patterson, Prior, and several more in the minors.

Folks, the stage has been set for the Chicago Cardinalization of the Pale Hose. With all the insult and injury that has been the lot of Sox fans during Reinsdorf's regime, it's almost enough to make you start looking for another baseball rooting interest because these guys--as long as they can end up with a buck--have no concern for the reputation, tradition and fan-base of the Chicago White Sox.


I concur. The team is dead, especially if the Cubs contend in the
next few years, which is a definite possibility. The thing I'm not
looking forward to are the grave-dancers; those small-minded,
morally bankrupt people whose sole pleasure in life is to enjoy
other people's pain. Jay Mariotti springs to mind. When the Sox
leave town, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he takes all
the credit.Morrissey, Rogers, Cub fans who have no idea what a baseball is, let alone how to use it. It'll be extremely rough.

DVG
07-21-2002, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
Let me just say, clearly and equivocally, that I'm 100 percent in favor of Mob ownership of the Sox if it means the Sox will win a championship.

Let me state further, I'm also in favor of Mob ownership of the Sox if it means Jerry Reinsdorf's 22 season-long "Reign of Error" is finally brought to an end.


Mob ownership, eh? Now that would lead to some interesting
situations. Especially when it comes time to whack the manager.
The players' union would probably merge with the Teamsters.
The GM position would be phased out and replaced with a
consigliere. Also, any player dissatisfied with how underpaid he
is would be taken into a room for ten minutes, then come out
singing that he's the luckiest guy on the face of the earth.