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Fenway
01-25-2012, 11:40 AM
Interesting - in researching something else I stumbled across this.

The Red Sox offered $20,000 less to Ken Harrelson in 1967 than the White Sox did but Hawk did not want to come to Chicago.

Chisox top bidder for Hawk - August 29, 1967 (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8uTNeQAkQXQYWQxNmNmNDktOGM2Zi00NDI5LTk1O WMtZjlmNGY2MWQ3MDBl)

eriqjaffe
01-25-2012, 12:42 PM
Oh.

soltrain21
01-25-2012, 01:08 PM
I wish he never would have came. Ever.

TommyJohn
01-25-2012, 01:19 PM
Interesting - in researching something else I stumbled across this.

The Red Sox offered $20,000 less to Ken Harrelson in 1967 than the White Sox did but Hawk did not want to come to Chicago.

Chisox top bidder for Hawk - August 29, 1967 (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8uTNeQAkQXQYWQxNmNmNDktOGM2Zi00NDI5LTk1O WMtZjlmNGY2MWQ3MDBl)

http://www.amazon.com/Impossible-Dream-Remembered-1967-Red/dp/0828905568/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1327519057&sr=1-7

I knew that. This book (in the link) which came out in 1987, mentioned that the White Sox offered more money than Boston, but the Hawkaroo liked the Boston organization better.

beasly213
01-25-2012, 01:20 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Impossible-Dream-Remembered-1967-Red/dp/0828905568/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1327519057&sr=1-7

I knew that. This book (in the link) which came out in 1987, mentioned that the White Sox offered more money than Boston, but the Hawkaroo liked the Boston organization better.

Makes sense he did play there.

TommyJohn
01-25-2012, 02:03 PM
Makes sense he did play there.

I don't get it.

PKalltheway
01-25-2012, 03:58 PM
Interesting - in researching something else I stumbled across this.

The Red Sox offered $20,000 less to Ken Harrelson in 1967 than the White Sox did but Hawk did not want to come to Chicago.

Chisox top bidder for Hawk - August 29, 1967 (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8uTNeQAkQXQYWQxNmNmNDktOGM2Zi00NDI5LTk1O WMtZjlmNGY2MWQ3MDBl)
Perhaps he didn't like the abrasive Eddie Stanky?

gobears1987
01-25-2012, 05:08 PM
I wish he never would have came. Ever.

If you had mlb.tv and had to see the other announcers out there, you'd be bowing before the alter of Hawk.

SephClone89
01-25-2012, 05:10 PM
If you had mlb.tv and had to see the other announcers out there, you'd be bowing before the alter of Hawk.

I think he might, actually.

soltrain21
01-25-2012, 05:30 PM
If you had mlb.tv and had to see the other announcers out there, you'd be bowing before the alter of Hawk.

Hawk is terrible. Just because other terrible announcers exist doesn't make him any less terrible.

Fenway
01-25-2012, 05:49 PM
If you had mlb.tv and had to see the other announcers out there, you'd be bowing before the alter of Hawk.

Try 3 hours with Michael Kay on YES some day :tongue:

and Yankees radio? :rolling:

GoGoCrede
01-25-2012, 05:54 PM
If you had mlb.tv and had to see the other announcers out there, you'd be bowing before the alter of Hawk.

I had it for two years and I still don't like him.

Lip Man 1
01-25-2012, 09:09 PM
Stanky and Ed Short visited Hawk in an effort to try to get him to come to Chicago after the A's released him. According to Rich Lindberg, Hawk felt Boston had the best chance of getting to the World Series and that was the deciding factor.

It was the 3rd attempt over the mid 60's seasons that the Sox tried to get a big bat for the middle of the lineup but were turned down. They made the Reds a better offer for Frank Robinson than Baltimore but were rebuffed, they went after Yaz before the 1966 season and then Hawk in 1967.

Lip

LITTLE NELL
01-25-2012, 09:12 PM
Stanky and Ed Short visited Hawk in an effort to try to get him to come to Chicago after the A's released him. According to Rich Lindberg, Hawk felt Boston had the best chance of getting to the World Series and that was the deciding factor.

It was the 3rd attempt over the mid 60's seasons that the Sox tried to get a big bat for the middle of the lineup but were turned down. They made the Reds a better offer for Frank Robinson than Baltimore but were rebuffed, they went after Yaz before the 1966 season and then Hawk in 1967.

Lip

Instead we picked up has beens Rocky Colovito and Ken Boyer.
What a shame that year turned out to be with all that great pitching and no hitting.

Fenway
01-25-2012, 09:16 PM
Stanky and Ed Short visited Hawk in an effort to try to get him to come to Chicago after the A's released him. According to Rich Lindberg, Hawk felt Boston had the best chance of getting to the World Series and that was the deciding factor.

It was the 3rd attempt over the mid 60's seasons that the Sox tried to get a big bat for the middle of the lineup but were turned down. They made the Reds a better offer for Frank Robinson than Baltimore but were rebuffed, they went after Yaz before the 1966 season and then Hawk in 1967.

Lip

In today's $$$'s Hawk turned down an extra $135,590.17 to sign with the Red Sox which was a LOT of money for a ballplayer back then.

Hawk would make that all back in 1968 with outside deals in Boston. He had a sub shop in the Back Bay and a nightclub in East Boston which one night mysteriously burnt down.

Noneck
01-25-2012, 09:31 PM
Instead we picked up has beens Rocky Colovito and Ken Boyer.


And Eddie The Creeper Stroud. Or was that the year they got rid of him?

Lip Man 1
01-25-2012, 09:54 PM
I don't have the info right in front of me, I'm in Northern Colorado on a road trip (game tomorrow night) but I think Stroud and Tommy McCraw were traded to Washington in 68.

Roland realized "The Creeper" could be a good bench guy and got him back for 1971.

Lip

Lip Man 1
01-25-2012, 09:55 PM
Nell:

True, but I at least give Short credit for trying anything to put them over the top down the stretch that season.

Lip

TommyJohn
01-26-2012, 12:35 AM
Stanky and Ed Short visited Hawk in an effort to try to get him to come to Chicago after the A's released him. According to Rich Lindberg, Hawk felt Boston had the best chance of getting to the World Series and that was the deciding factor.

It was the 3rd attempt over the mid 60's seasons that the Sox tried to get a big bat for the middle of the lineup but were turned down. They made the Reds a better offer for Frank Robinson than Baltimore but were rebuffed, they went after Yaz before the 1966 season and then Hawk in 1967.

Lip

Always wondered why the Reds turned down the Sox' offer for Frank Robinson. I know Ed Short offered Floyd Robinson plus two pitchers (I think), and the Reds GM went for Milt Pappas instead.

tstrike2000
01-26-2012, 09:11 AM
After listening to our radio team the last few years, listening to Hawk isn't that bad.

Lip Man 1
01-26-2012, 10:42 AM
TJ:

One of the two pitchers involved was the late Johnny Buzhardt. I can't remember who the other one was.

In total it was a much better offer than Baltimore gave and I'm sure after Robby won the MVP award that year the heat was really on whomever the Reds G.M. was for not getting more in return.

Pappas as I recall was mediocre for them.

Lip

Fenway
01-26-2012, 11:16 AM
TJ:

One of the two pitchers involved was the late Johnny Buzhardt. I can't remember who the other one was.

In total it was a much better offer than Baltimore gave and I'm sure after Robby won the MVP award that year the heat was really on whomever the Reds G.M. was for not getting more in return.

Pappas as I recall was mediocre for them.

Lip

Interesting look back at why the Reds traded him.

http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/26/redleg-trade-review-frank-robinson/

MikeW
01-31-2012, 08:40 PM
Ed Stroud was dealt to the Senators in July of 1967 for Of Jim King. McCraw was traded to Washington during spring training of 1971 for Rick Reichardt. I still cry inside over the 1967 collapse and the awful trades that were made that winter which sunk the Sox for the next 3 seasons.

Lip Man 1
01-31-2012, 09:48 PM
That's right King was another veteran that Short got to try to shore up the offense.

Lip

SOXSINCE'70
02-01-2012, 07:36 AM
If you had mlb.tv and had to see the other announcers out there, you'd be bowing before the alter of Hawk.

Agreed. At least he's not John Sterling.:puking: