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DirtySox
01-24-2012, 02:56 PM
@TBrownYahoo
Tim Brown
Source: Prince is very close to a nine-year contract with the Detroit Tigers, according to sources.
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Wow!

Bravo Tigers.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:02 PM
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
fielder gets 9 yrs, $200_plus mil. @TBrownYahoo said close
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DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:02 PM
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
prince agrees with #tigers
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veeter
01-24-2012, 03:03 PM
Man, they are relentless. And they have more money than I thought. Holy ****!

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:04 PM
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
price deal is $214M, 9 yrs. #tigers
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ChiSoxGal85
01-24-2012, 03:04 PM
So much for Juan Pierre to the Tigers? :D:

Damn...not that I'm terrified of Fielder, but the Tigers are going All In. There, I said it...maybe it will curse them too.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:04 PM
Man, they are relentless. And they have more money than I thought. Holy ****!

Tigers. #MysteryTeam

doublem23
01-24-2012, 03:05 PM
V-Mart signed through 2014, Cabrera through 2015, and now Fielder through 2020.

Gonna need a few more DH spots.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:06 PM
V-Mart signed through 2014, Cabrera through 2015, and now Fielder through 2020.

Gonna need a few more DH spots.

Yep. Who knows what they do?

Fenway
01-24-2012, 03:08 PM
Mike Ilitch wants to win before he dies....

His empire is built to get people into downtown Detroit - where he owns many of the other attractions ( casino, Hockeytown )

#1swisher
01-24-2012, 03:08 PM
Bring it Detroit!

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:11 PM
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
prince will be the first baseman, for anyone asking. cabrera will have to change role. #tigers
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kittle42
01-24-2012, 03:12 PM
This just puts the Tigers in better position to compete with us.

Domeshot17
01-24-2012, 03:12 PM
This just puts the Tigers closer to competing with the White Sox

Also

Tigers are suckers, Prince Fielder hits home runs, that makes him a softball player, no one fills the middle of the order with power hitters anymore

hi im skot
01-24-2012, 03:12 PM
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
prince will be the first baseman, for anyone asking. cabrera will have to change role. #tigers
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Hmmm...seems like good news for the Sox.

doublem23
01-24-2012, 03:13 PM
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
prince will be the first baseman, for anyone asking. cabrera will have to change role. #tigers
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LF? He was the Marlins everyday LF in 2005 but that's the last time he stepped foot in the OF.

Back to 3B?

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:13 PM
DKnobler DKnobler
We'll see how it works out, but don't be shocked if Miguel Cabrera ends up as Tigers third baseman.
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Lol.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:14 PM
LF? He was the Marlins everyday LF in 2005 but that's the last time he stepped foot in the OF.

Back to 3B?

I have no clue honestly. I wonder if Victor is an option in a corner spot as well?

pythons007
01-24-2012, 03:15 PM
Good grief

beasly213
01-24-2012, 03:15 PM
:hawk

That's trouble!

The Immigrant
01-24-2012, 03:16 PM
KW is sure to counter this move...by signing Corey Patterson.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:16 PM
Defensive acumen aside.

A 3, 4, and 5, in whatever order of Prince, Victor, and Miggy? Yowza.

DSpivack
01-24-2012, 03:16 PM
I have no clue honestly. I wonder if Victor is an option in a corner spot as well?

At least for 2012, if Fielder is at 1B, why wouldn't Cabrera be the DH?

Chez
01-24-2012, 03:19 PM
The Tigers might lap the field by early July. Sorry, but the division was never "wide open." Of course, I felt the same way about the Sox after they picked up Thome!

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:20 PM
At least for 2012, if Fielder is at 1B, why wouldn't Cabrera be the DH?

He will be. Talking about when Victor returns in 2013.

palehozenychicty
01-24-2012, 03:22 PM
Ilitch has a good relationship with Boras, so for them to be the mystery team isn't that crazy.

But they have to figure something out with Cabrera. He really can't play third base unless he loses lbs. Right? Right?!

:scratch:

cards press box
01-24-2012, 03:24 PM
Defensive acumen aside.

A 3, 4, and 5, in whatever order of Prince, Victor, and Miggy? Yowza.

No Victor in 2012 or Maggs, either. As for me, I am wondering about all this Adam Dunn/A. J. Burnett speculation (http://nybaseballdigest.com/2012/01/24/can-brian-cashman-trade-for-a-hitter/). Joe Sheehan (http://twitter.com/#!/joe_sheehan/statuses/157999768407252992) apparently thinks there might be something to this, too. I'd love to see the Sox take a chance on turning around Burnett and signing another hitter out there, like Johnny Damon or Kouske Fukodome, or both.

DSpivack
01-24-2012, 03:24 PM
He will be. Talking about when Victor returns in 2013.

Ahh, ok.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:25 PM
No Victor in 2012 or Maggs, either.

I was considering 2013 when Victor returns. Especially because of the logjam of 1B/DH types. And Maggs sucked last year. He's done.

aryzner
01-24-2012, 03:26 PM
Oh fantastic.

palehozenychicty
01-24-2012, 03:26 PM
No Victor in 2012 or Maggs, either. As for me, I am wondering about all this Adam Dunn/A. J. Burnett speculation (http://nybaseballdigest.com/2012/01/24/can-brian-cashman-trade-for-a-hitter/). Joe Sheehan (http://twitter.com/#!/joe_sheehan/statuses/157999768407252992) apparently thinks there might be something to this, too. I'd love to see the Sox take a chance on turning around Burnett and signing another hitter out there, like Johnny Damon or Kouske Fukodome, or both.

If the Yankees take Adam Dunn, then hallelujah! I'd live with Burnett for two years.

veeter
01-24-2012, 03:30 PM
Sale vs. Fielder are going to be great matchups for a long time! Prince isn't going to like it very much, at least at the beginning.

asindc
01-24-2012, 03:31 PM
This just puts the Tigers in better position to compete with us.

Beat me to it.

asindc
01-24-2012, 03:31 PM
LF? He was the Marlins everyday LF in 2005 but that's the last time he stepped foot in the OF.

Back to 3B?

I hope so.

Sargeant79
01-24-2012, 03:32 PM
If the Yankees take Adam Dunn, then hallelujah! I'd live with Burnett for two years.

I think that would be a mistake. Just my opinion, but I think it's more likely that Dunn rebounds to hit .240 with 30 home runs than it is that Burnett gives you anything south of a 5.00 ERA over the next 2 years.

KMcMahon817
01-24-2012, 03:32 PM
Blows. But that is going to be a bad contract in a few years.

hi im skot
01-24-2012, 03:34 PM
I think that would be a mistake. Just my opinion, but I think it's more likely that Dunn rebounds to hit .240 with 30 home runs than it is that Burnett gives you anything south of a 5.00 ERA over the next 2 years.

I agree with this.

Hitmen77
01-24-2012, 03:35 PM
V-Mart signed through 2014, Cabrera through 2015, and now Fielder through 2020.

Gonna need a few more DH spots.

Yeah, they might end up with some huge bad contracts in a few years with a bunch of guys who can't field.

.....but, at least Tigers ownership knows how to really go "all in". As Sox fans, we're stuck doing something our team has become good at over the last few years: :tiphat:

asindc
01-24-2012, 03:36 PM
Man, they are relentless. And they have more money than I thought. Holy ****!

I've always said that those who automatically think that the Sox have the biggest market in the division are discounting the fact that the Tigers have the entire state of Michigan (except for parts of SW lower Michigan that the Sox and Cubs tap into) plus much of NW Ohio. Illitch is super rich and, as Fenway noted, he doesn't care about immediate profit on the team. He wants a WS ring more than he wants to make more money off the baseball team.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:36 PM
Yeah, they might end up with some huge bad contracts in a few years with a bunch of guys who can't field.

.....but, at least Tigers ownership knows how to really go "all in". As Sox fans, we're stuck doing something our team has become good at over the last few years: :tiphat:

Yep.

What's more is they still have the pieces to get Garza.

Hitmen77
01-24-2012, 03:39 PM
This also bring Fielder to his dad's old team. Cecil hit 51 HR for the Tigers in 1990.

thomas35forever
01-24-2012, 03:42 PM
I wake up from a nap to find this out? We better pray to God Dunn finds his stride this year or :whiteflag:

gobears1987
01-24-2012, 03:44 PM
9 years and $200 million to Fielder sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. There is no way he is producing at the end of that deal. 275 lbs on a 5'11 frame = disaster waiting to happen.

MUsoxfan
01-24-2012, 03:44 PM
Tigers will be regretting this deal in less than 3 years

#1swisher
01-24-2012, 03:45 PM
Fielders' contract will rank 4th largest in the games history, behind Alex Rodriguez two free-agent deals and Albert Pujols recent 10-year, $240 mil. agreement with the Angels.

Ken Rosenthal
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/prince-fielder-detroit-tigers-nine-year-deal-214-million-mlb-free-agency-hot-stove-012412

Boondock Saint
01-24-2012, 03:46 PM
The Tigers are really gonna regret that contract in a couple seasons. REALLY regret it.

asindc
01-24-2012, 03:47 PM
Fielders' contract will rank 4th largest in the games history, behind Alex Rodriguez two free-agent deals and Albert Pujols recent 10-year, $240 mil. agreement with the Angels.

Ken Rosenthal
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/prince-fielder-detroit-tigers-nine-year-deal-214-million-mlb-free-agency-hot-stove-012412

Fielder is not even the 4th-best current player. Yeah, this was a genius move, no doubt.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:49 PM
The Tigers are really gonna regret that contract in a couple seasons. REALLY regret it.

Agreed. But this is a short term win now type move. That's Illitch for you I suppose.

gobears1987
01-24-2012, 03:50 PM
We'll be laughing at the Tigers in 2015 when they are stuck with this. Sort of how they are probably laughing at us for being stuck with Rios, Dunn, and Peavy.

thomas35forever
01-24-2012, 03:52 PM
Agreed. But this is a short term win now type move. That's Illitch for you I suppose.
Yeah, I can see what everyone else is saying about this becoming bad in a few years, but in a season of uncertainty for the White Sox, this is not an encouraging sign and I didn't even have high expectations for the year to begin with.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:53 PM
beckjason Jason Beck
Source says #Tigers approached Miguel Cabrera about Prince Fielder move. He was on board with it. So no Hanley comparisons, please.
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MtGrnwdSoxFan
01-24-2012, 03:54 PM
They have three great hitters who can't play a position.

Maybe the Tigers can lobby MLB for "designated fielders".

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:54 PM
Yeah, I can see what everyone else is saying about this becoming bad in a few years, but in a season of uncertainty for the White Sox, this is not an encouraging sign and I didn't even have high expectations for the year to begin with.

Indeed. If Kenny is still sort of waffling on trading some pieces, his decision might have now been made easier.

TheVulture
01-24-2012, 03:55 PM
Agreed. But this is a short term win now type move. That's Illitch for you I suppose.

Hmm, things have changed when a 9 year 200 million deal can be considered a short term move.

veeter
01-24-2012, 03:56 PM
We'll be laughing at the Tigers in 2015 when they are stuck with this. Sort of how they are probably laughing at us for being stuck with Rios, Dunn, and Peavy.Yankees aside, 'Going for it' seems to always have consequenses. With the length and money on some of these Tiger contracts, one title might not even seem enough.

veeter
01-24-2012, 03:56 PM
Hmm, things have changed when a 9 year 200 million deal can be considered a short term move.Thinking the same thing.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 03:57 PM
Hmm, things have changed when a 9 year 200 million deal can be considered a short term move.

You know what I meant. He's going to be productive for at least the first few years of the deal and the Tigers are in a position to win during those years. Ilitch will hardly care about the tail-end of the contract if he brings them a World Series. Not totally unlike the Pujols signing.

Fenway
01-24-2012, 03:57 PM
I've always said that those who automatically think that the Sox have the biggest market in the division are discounting the fact that the Tigers have the entire state of Michigan (except for parts of SW lower Michigan that the Sox and Cubs tap into) plus much of NW Ohio. Illitch is super rich and, as Fenway noted, he doesn't care about immediate profit on the team. He wants a WS ring more than he wants to make more money off the baseball team.

The man wants a World Series winner. The Tigers are more of a hobby to him BUT as I said a winner brings people into downtown Detroit.

http://www.ilitchcompanies.com/

Lip Man 1
01-24-2012, 03:57 PM
Wow, just wow.

Regarding those who have said the Tigers will regret this, we'll have to wait and see. Many were making the same claim when the Yankees originally signed Sabathia (i.e. to fat, arm going to fall off, overworked etc.) That hasn't happened at least not yet and he's pitched very well for them in probably a more physically demanding situation.

Lip

TheOldRoman
01-24-2012, 03:58 PM
Fielders' contract will rank 4th largest in the games history, behind Alex Rodriguez two free-agent deals and Albert Pujols recent 10-year, $240 mil. agreement with the Angels.

Ken Rosenthal
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/prince-fielder-detroit-tigers-nine-year-deal-214-million-mlb-free-agency-hot-stove-012412 The biggest difference is, Pujols and Rodriguez were both better than average defensively at their position, were much better hitters and weren't horribly out of shape. This fills Martinez's role for 2012, and the Tigers lineup is going to be formidable in 2013 if everyone stays healthy.

Still, it pisses me off that Illitch was the imbecile who ONCE AGAIN bailed out Borass after got himself in a bad position. He did it with Pudge Roidriguez, then with Ordonez, and again with Johnny Damon in 2010. How is it that every time Borass passed up a better deal and the market is dead for one of his top clients, this fool Illitch comes around and gives far more in years and money than anyone else was willing to before Borass pissed them off? "He can't get 7 years and $140? Eh, let's give him 9/$214 just to be sure."

Boondock Saint
01-24-2012, 03:59 PM
Agreed. But this is a short term win now type move. That's Illitch for you I suppose.

Making a really long term commitment for a short term move shows poor decision making at the best. That contract takes him well past his prime, and if I'm Prince, I stick around for every cent of that contract, whether I plan on playing until I'm 38 or not.

kittle42
01-24-2012, 03:59 PM
This seems to be the direction in which baseball is headed.

We'll see if it wins championships.

gobears1987
01-24-2012, 04:01 PM
Wow, just wow.

Regarding those who have said the Tigers will regret this, we'll have to wait and see. Many were making the same claim when the Yankees originally signed Sabathia (i.e. to fat, arm going to fall off, overworked etc.) That hasn't happened at least not yet and he's pitched very well for them in probably a more physically demanding situation.

Lip

Sabathia has a full 8" on Fielder and only 15 pounds. That isn't an ideal frame, but it's much healthier than what Prince Fielder is carrying.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 04:02 PM
Making a really long term commitment for a short term move shows poor decision making at the best. That contract takes him well past his prime, and if I'm Prince, I stick around for every cent of that contract, whether I plan on playing until I'm 38 or not.

It is indeed. But Ilitch doesn't care. He hasn't cared about making a profit for the last 10 years. He wants to win, and win now. Hence the deal.

Foulke You
01-24-2012, 04:03 PM
We'll have to see what happens. Fielder will be facing tougher pitching in the AL now and in the short term for 2012, all they've done is replace Victor's lost production. They have solid pitching and a very good lineup but questionable defense. They are no doubt the favorites to win the Central but I'm not ready to crown 'em yet.

Noneck
01-24-2012, 04:03 PM
We'll be laughing at the Tigers in 2015 when they are stuck with this. Sort of how they are probably laughing at us for being stuck with Rios, Dunn, and Peavy.

2015 is a long way away. If the Tigers attendance keeps increasing and the team keeps winning, revenue will flow, if revenue flows you can buy your way through mistakes. I realize the money here is bigger than the Peavy, Dunn money but at this stage the return could also be big in the couple years to come. Now if Fielder busts from the start as what happened with Peavy and Dunn, thats a different story.

amsteel
01-24-2012, 04:03 PM
I like Prince Fielder, but now that he's in the division I hope he pulls an Adam Dunn better than Adam Dunn did.

gobears1987
01-24-2012, 04:04 PM
I like Prince Fielder, but now that he's in the division I hope he pulls an Adam Dunn better than Adam Dunn did.

I think only Adam Dunn can top Adam Dunn.

veeter
01-24-2012, 04:05 PM
This seems to be the direction in which baseball is headed.

We'll see if it wins championships.I hope it doesn't.

asindc
01-24-2012, 04:06 PM
Wow, just wow.

Regarding those who have said the Tigers will regret this, we'll have to wait and see. Many were making the same claim when the Yankees originally signed Sabathia (i.e. to fat, arm going to fall off, overworked etc.) That hasn't happened at least not yet and he's pitched very well for them in probably a more physically demanding situation.

Lip

Many were also saying the same things about the Yanks signing Burnett, Boston signing Lackey, Minny signing Mauer to his contract, the Tigers taking on Willis' contract, and the Yanks signing Vazquez for a second stint with him. The risk that was/is the Sabathia contract is not negated by its success. It is to be held up as an exception, not the rule.

Boondock Saint
01-24-2012, 04:09 PM
It is indeed. But Ilitch doesn't care. He hasn't cared about making a profit for the last 10 years. He wants to win, and win now. Hence the deal.

Hey, if he can live with it, great. It's not my job to care, and I couldn't be bothered to either way. But you know those fans are going to be raging pissed when the other shoe drops (not if, when. There is no doubt that it's going to happen, he damn sure isn't Pujols), and they're stuck with Prince and his anchor of a contract. Even if he's still worth it for the next five years, there's still four years and almost $100m left dragging them down.

Boondock Saint
01-24-2012, 04:12 PM
2015 is a long way away. If the Tigers attendance keeps increasing and the team keeps winning, revenue will flow, if revenue flows you can buy your way through mistakes. I realize the money here is bigger than the Peavy, Dunn money but at this stage the return could also be big in the couple years to come. Now if Fielder busts from the start as what happened with Peavy and Dunn, thats a different story.

Detroit is in a bad way financially. How long are those people going to keep selling out Comerica Park for?

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 04:12 PM
http://i.imgur.com/dVbhI.jpg

KMcMahon817
01-24-2012, 04:12 PM
Hey, if he can live with it, great. It's not my job to care, and I couldn't be bothered to either way. But you know those fans are going to be raging pissed when the other shoe drops (not if, when. There is no doubt that it's going to happen, he damn sure isn't Pujols), and they're stuck with Prince and his anchor of a contract. Even if he's still worth it for the next five years, there's still four years and almost $100m left dragging them down.

Also makes it much more difficult to keep Cabrera in the fold after his current contract expires.

palehozenychicty
01-24-2012, 04:12 PM
I think that would be a mistake. Just my opinion, but I think it's more likely that Dunn rebounds to hit .240 with 30 home runs than it is that Burnett gives you anything south of a 5.00 ERA over the next 2 years.

I don't expect too much out of Burnett. He is consistently inconsistent. I don't think even Coop's magic can fix this guy. I like him because of his deal's flexibility.

Even if Dunn rebounds and puts up that line, I'd rather take the last two years of his deal and improve the outfield, etc with those funds. You can do that with Burnett on the roster.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 04:13 PM
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
AL Exec: "Give Illitch credit. I think he spends more of his personal wealth than any owner in pro sports."
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soltrain21
01-24-2012, 04:17 PM
http://i.imgur.com/dVbhI.jpg

http://i2.listal.com/image/2037780/500full.jpg
Bangarang, Peter. You're doing it!

asindc
01-24-2012, 04:17 PM
http://i.imgur.com/dVbhI.jpg

Illitch needs to keep him away from his signature product.

Noneck
01-24-2012, 04:17 PM
Detroit is in a bad way financially. How long are those people going to keep selling out Comerica Park for?

Ive thought the same thing for the last 3-4 years and the economy tanks more and more. Why it hasnt happened yet and because of that maybe it never will. Why it doesnt is a mystery to me also.

gobears1987
01-24-2012, 04:18 PM
Detroit is in a bad way financially. How long are those people going to keep selling out Comerica Park for?

I keep telling myself that, but they still draw. Detroit itself may not be well off, but there are still some suburbs with people who can afford to go to the games.

DirtySox
01-24-2012, 04:20 PM
http://i2.listal.com/image/2037780/500full.jpg
Bangarang, Peter. You're doing it!

I wish I still had my Zubaz.

hi im skot
01-24-2012, 04:22 PM
http://i.imgur.com/dVbhI.jpg

Thank you.

ChiSoxGal85
01-24-2012, 04:24 PM
For whatever it's worth, Comerica's quite a bit bigger than the Brewers park. However, it probably will be painful seeing Fielder hitting at the Cell.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
01-24-2012, 04:24 PM
Cubs Zubaz.

No more needs to be said.

Tragg
01-24-2012, 04:26 PM
Burnett wasn't that good even when he was good.

palehozenychicty
01-24-2012, 04:26 PM
http://i.imgur.com/dVbhI.jpg

I guess his fan allegiances are in question, right? :redneck

Fenway
01-24-2012, 04:31 PM
I keep telling myself that, but they still draw. Detroit itself may not be well off, but there are still some suburbs with people who can afford to go to the games.

BINGO - There is still a lot of wealth in the Detroit burbs.

Cleveland struggles as people hate the owner. Their TV ratings were decent this year but they are not selling tickets.

soltrain21
01-24-2012, 04:33 PM
http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20120124&Category=SPORTS02&ArtNo=120124054&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Flashback-Prince-Fielder-son-Cecil-8-displays-his-dad-s-skill-bat

Style was a strong suit from the beginning.

hi im skot
01-24-2012, 04:36 PM
http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20120124&Category=SPORTS02&ArtNo=120124054&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Flashback-Prince-Fielder-son-Cecil-8-displays-his-dad-s-skill-bat

Style was a strong suit from the beginning.

He looked better in the Jordans.

tstrike2000
01-24-2012, 04:37 PM
Wonder if that 214 mill. includes a bigger buffet selection for both Prince and Miguel Cabrera.

hi im skot
01-24-2012, 04:37 PM
More fat jokes, please!

soltrain21
01-24-2012, 04:42 PM
Wonder if that 214 mill. includes a bigger buffet selection for both Prince and Miguel Cabrera.

*Looks at both player's career numbers*

Right.

Patrick134
01-24-2012, 04:47 PM
They'll be whining about this bloated contract for decades in detroit.

cws05champ
01-24-2012, 04:47 PM
No doubt this is a great move for this year, questionable move 4+ years from now. It will be really interesting next year when they have Victor back and what they do. Martinez is not going to catch anymore after ACL surgery and I doubt he or Miggy can play 3B/OF anymore.

PaleHoser
01-24-2012, 04:53 PM
Who pays to move in the fences when Fielder's power numbers drop?

ohiosoxfan
01-24-2012, 04:53 PM
Don't know if genetics mean anything, but Cecil was basically done as an everyday player at 32 and was out of the game at 34. So, why would you give Prince 9 years at age 27? I think Prince has an even worse body than dad did.

tstrike2000
01-24-2012, 04:55 PM
*Looks at both player's career numbers*

Right.

Nobody said they weren't great hitters, but 9 years is an awfully long contract for Fielder.

SephClone89
01-24-2012, 05:00 PM
wonder if that 214 mill. Includes a bigger buffet selection for both prince and miguel cabrera.

geddit!?

Because both are bigger than the average baseball player!

hi im skot
01-24-2012, 05:00 PM
Nobody said they weren't great hitters, but 9 years is an awfully long contract for Fielder.

Because he's fat?

mzh
01-24-2012, 05:02 PM
Because he's fat?
To be blunt, yes. I might yet be proven wrong, but players over 30 who weigh 300 pounds don't tend to last that long. Lord knows I don't want to pay $20 Million to a 300 pound 37 year old.

To be more specific than just "he's fat", what's he going to fall back on once he starts to lose bat speed on the wrong side of 30? When you look at guys like Pujols, Konerko, Thome, etc. who learn to adapt as they age, they are in absolutely in peak physical shape. It's hard to have any other tools other than sheer power when you are as out of shape as he is.

asindc
01-24-2012, 05:03 PM
To be blunt, yes. I might yet be proven wrong, but players over 30 who weigh 300 pounds don't tend to last that long. Lord knows I don't want to pay $20 Million to a 300 pound 37 year old.

That would be $23.7 million, to be exact.

gobears1987
01-24-2012, 05:04 PM
To be blunt, yes. I might yet be proven wrong, but players over 30 who weigh 300 pounds don't tend to last that long. Lord knows I don't want to pay $20 Million to a 300 pound 37 year old.

It isn't just that he's nearly 300 pounds. It's that he's putting that weight on a 5'11 frame. C.C. Sabathia may weigh 290 lbs, but that isn't so terrible when he's 6'7.

soltrain21
01-24-2012, 05:07 PM
Nobody said they weren't great hitters, but 9 years is an awfully long contract for Fielder.

It's an awfully long contract for any player. You just wanted to get in your oh so hilarious fat joke.

WhiteSox5187
01-24-2012, 05:08 PM
Well the Tigers might regret this deal later on but I think Fielder can be a productive DH for at least five years. And it's hard for me as a White Sox fan to talk about regretting long term deals because that is what we are doing NOW.

mzh
01-24-2012, 05:08 PM
It isn't just that he's nearly 300 pounds. It's that he's putting that weight on a 5'11 frame. C.C. Sabathia may weigh 290 lbs, but that isn't so terrible when he's 6'7.
Exactly. Like I said, with that body, it's going to be very difficult to develop other tools to stay in the league when his bat speed inevitably starts to go away.

You hate to see that much talent go to waste, but unless something changes with him I (and many executives as well, perhaps) could see a future that plays out more like Mo Vaughn than Jim Thome.

Hitmen77
01-24-2012, 05:11 PM
KW is sure to counter this move...by signing Corey Patterson.

Is Coco Crisp available?

sullythered
01-24-2012, 05:21 PM
Wonder if that 214 mill. includes a bigger buffet selection for both Prince and Miguel Cabrera.

No need. They both FEAST on Major League pitching.

Fenway
01-24-2012, 05:36 PM
Drew Sharp: Prince Fielder makes a lot of sense for Tigers in 2012, but not beyond


http://www.freep.com/article/20120124/COL08/120124057/Drew-Sharp-Fielder-makes-lot-sense-Tigers-2012-not-beyond?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE

Rocky Soprano
01-24-2012, 05:37 PM
Had the Sox signed Fielder, I wonder how many would still be throwing out the fat jokes.

Fat or not, its a huge move for the Tigers. One that makes them the front runner for the division for the next few years. How I wish the Sox were in that position.

Domeshot17
01-24-2012, 05:49 PM
Exactly. Like I said, with that body, it's going to be very difficult to develop other tools to stay in the league when his bat speed inevitably starts to go away.

You hate to see that much talent go to waste, but unless something changes with him I (and many executives as well, perhaps) could see a future that plays out more like Mo Vaughn than Jim Thome.


Mo's career was cut short by a degenatrive hip if I am remembering right. Not being fat. David Ortiz might be a better comparison.

PKalltheway
01-24-2012, 05:51 PM
Mo's career was cut short by a degenatrive hip if I am remembering right. Not being fat. David Ortiz might be a better comparison.
You're thinking of Albert Belle. Mo Vaughn had a bad knee, which hastened the end of his career.

asindc
01-24-2012, 05:57 PM
Had the Sox signed Fielder, I wonder how many would still be throwing out the fat jokes.

Fat or not, its a huge move for the Tigers. One that makes them the front runner for the division for the next few years. How I wish the Sox were in that position.

I dispute this. I think some are glossing over the fact that among Cabrera, Prince, and Martinez, Cabrera is the one who is most equipped to play 3B... by far. No problem, put one of them in LF? In Comerica? I am looking forward to that.

PalehosePlanet
01-24-2012, 05:58 PM
Mo's career was cut short by a degenatrive hip if I am remembering right. Not being fat. David Ortiz might be a better comparison.

Ortiz is 6'4" and about 250.

I can't remember a player with Prince's build EVER in MLB to tell the truth. At 5'11" 285-295ish he's one of a kind. Even his father was 6'3" and anywhere from 260-290, depending on the year, and did not have Prince's body type.

Fenway
01-24-2012, 06:19 PM
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tstrike2000
01-24-2012, 06:27 PM
It's an awfully long contract for any player. You just wanted to get in your oh so hilarious fat joke.

You're judging my humor? Ok. The point isn't that it's JUST a long contract for a player, giving Prince Fielder that long of a contract doesn't seem to be a smart idea given his frame and wear and tear an MLB player takes.

SOXSINCE'70
01-24-2012, 06:57 PM
This just puts the Tigers closer to competing with the White Sox

Also

Tigers are suckers, Prince Fielder hits home runs, that makes him a softball player, no one fills the middle of the order with power hitters anymore


He should have a looooong talk with Adam Dunn.The pitching in the NL is different from the pitching in the AL. More fastballs in the NL,IMO.

mjmcend
01-24-2012, 07:32 PM
He should have a looooong talk with Adam Dunn.The pitching in the NL is different from the pitching in the AL. More fastballs in the NL,IMO.

That's not true, they are pretty darn equal when looking at Pitch F/X data.

RockJock07
01-24-2012, 07:59 PM
If the Yankees take Adam Dunn, then hallelujah! I'd live with Burnett for two years.

Adam Dunn had 1 bad season, Burnett has been below-average for longer then that. I'll stick with Dunn.

palehozenychicty
01-24-2012, 08:05 PM
Adam Dunn had 1 bad season, Burnett has been below-average for longer then that. I'll stick with Dunn.

Fair enough. In terms of pure economics, I'd rather have Burnett. He's better trade bait, even as a mediocre pitcher, with a shorter deal.

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Fenway
01-24-2012, 08:22 PM
Yankees fans have some funny comments

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php/129382-Tigers-To-Sign-Prince-Fielder

as do Red Sox fans

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/70474-prince-agrees-with-tigers-on-nine-year-deal-worth-214million/

VMSNS
01-24-2012, 09:20 PM
Had the Sox signed Fielder, I wonder how many would still be throwing out the fat jokes.


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/966/061/86371388_display_image.jpg?1306395181

Vernam
01-24-2012, 09:35 PM
My Sox fan self in 2014 totally loves this deal. Or maybe 2015, but definitely no later than 2016.

Vernam

ChiSox81
01-24-2012, 10:08 PM
If you want a superstar more then likely you will have to overpay. Tigers will regret it in a few years but it should make for a few exciting seasons for them.

Soxman219
01-24-2012, 10:30 PM
Now, I'm scared how good the Tigers will be. 4 years from now, I'll be laughing at how bad the Tigers are.

guillensdisciple
01-25-2012, 12:07 AM
What I don't get about everyone using his weight as a factor is the fact that this guy has never Been injured before. I understand he is a big body, but so was tony Gwynn and that guy lasted forever. I imagine that Prince can pull it off. I don't believe he will for nine years but the tigers have found their anchor for 6 years at a minimum. The White Sox are in trouble.

Noneck
01-25-2012, 12:51 AM
What I don't get about everyone using his weight as a factor is the fact that this guy has never Been injured before. I understand he is a big body, but so was tony Gwynn and that guy lasted forever. I imagine that Prince can pull it off. I don't believe he will for nine years but the tigers have found their anchor for 6 years at a minimum. The White Sox are in trouble.

Gwynn really didnt put on weight until later in his career. Regarding Prince, I think the only way to say if he can or cant carry that load is by looking at his dad. Cecil carried it pretty good till he was about 33 so I would expect the same out of Prince.

Foulke You
01-25-2012, 02:12 AM
The White Sox are in trouble.
It's like I've gone into a time warp and I'm reading the same thread after the Tigers picked up Miguel Cabrera, Edgar Renteria, and Dontrelle Willis heading into the 2008 season. It was repeatedly mentioned that the Sox were in "trouble" and the season was over before it began. The Tigers finished 74W-88L that year while we won the Central. I'm not saying the Sox will do this again in 2012 but I'm illustrating a point that baseball is unpredictable. This is why it is such a great game.

DSpivack
01-25-2012, 02:35 AM
It's like I've gone into a time warp and I'm reading the same thread after the Tigers picked up Miguel Cabrera, Edgar Renteria, and Dontrelle Willis heading into the 2008 season. It was repeatedly mentioned that the Sox were in "trouble" and the season was over before it began. The Tigers finished 74W-88L that year while we won the Central. I'm not saying the Sox will do this again in 2012 but I'm illustrating a point that baseball is unpredictable. This is why it is such a great game.

Someone linked to article on the Cabrera trade on Southside Sox. Crazy that the Braves got more, in the end, for Edgar Renteria than the Marlins did for Miguel Cabrera.

doublem23
01-25-2012, 09:48 AM
It's like I've gone into a time warp and I'm reading the same thread after the Tigers picked up Miguel Cabrera, Edgar Renteria, and Dontrelle Willis heading into the 2008 season. It was repeatedly mentioned that the Sox were in "trouble" and the season was over before it began. The Tigers finished 74W-88L that year while we won the Central. I'm not saying the Sox will do this again in 2012 but I'm illustrating a point that baseball is unpredictable. This is why it is such a great game.

People are just being down right now, but I can see how its disheartening that the Tigers are making big splashes on the field and the Sox are praying that change in field manager will magically pull some guys out of their funks.

Fenway
01-25-2012, 10:03 AM
Mitch Albom also points out Illitch's age (82) and how badly he wants to win before he dies. The old saying is 'you can't take it with you' - and his family is set for life.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120125/COL01/201250421/Mitch-Albom-Ilitch-pays-king-s-ransom-land-his-slugging-Prince?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE

Dave Dombrowski said less than a week ago that Prince "Was not a good fit."

guillensdisciple
01-25-2012, 10:32 AM
It's like I've gone into a time warp and I'm reading the same thread after the Tigers picked up Miguel Cabrera, Edgar Renteria, and Dontrelle Willis heading into the 2008 season. It was repeatedly mentioned that the Sox were in "trouble" and the season was over before it began. The Tigers finished 74W-88L that year while we won the Central. I'm not saying the Sox will do this again in 2012 but I'm illustrating a point that baseball is unpredictable. This is why it is such a great game.

I'm not going into panic mode or anything like that just have a sense of realism. What's different with all of that is the fact that the Tigers did not have anything to build off of when they got those players. The tigers are already pretty well established and adding a fielder does make them a legitimate favorite. I get your point though, baseball is a crazy game, and I hope that the same things happen this year as they did the year you spoke of.

HomeFish
01-25-2012, 11:06 AM
Dave Dombrowski said less than a week ago that Prince "Was not a good fit."

KW said the same thing about AJ shortly before the Sox signed him.

WhiteSox5187
01-25-2012, 02:01 PM
KW said the same thing about AJ shortly before the Sox signed him.

And I think in both of those cases the owner went over the GM and signed the guy.

Foulke You
01-25-2012, 02:40 PM
I'm not going into panic mode or anything like that just have a sense of realism. What's different with all of that is the fact that the Tigers did not have anything to build off of when they got those players. The tigers are already pretty well established and adding a fielder does make them a legitimate favorite. I get your point though, baseball is a crazy game, and I hope that the same things happen this year as they did the year you spoke of.
I definitely get some of the angst. It's never fun to watch your division rivals sign big free agents while we watch players like Buehrle sign elsewhere. Recent baseball history shows that the season often doesn't play out the way people think it will. Look at last year's Cardinals. They were not even a favorite to win their weak division let alone the World Series and that was BEFORE they lost Wainwright for the season yet they got hot in September and shocked everyone. The Sox won't be the favorites and we don't deserve to be but I do believe we have a shot in the Central in 2012.

Just to dispute one of your points, the Tigers did indeed have a solid team to build on when they picked up Miguel Cabrera, Edgar Renteria, and Dontrelle in the offseason preceding 2008. They were an 88 win team in 2007 and were only one year removed from an AL Pennant in 2006. On paper, Cabrera, Renteria, and Willis were the missing pieces. Most experts picked the Tigers that year to run away with the AL Central. The Sox were coming off a 72W-90L season in 2007 and ended up winning 89 in 2008 and won the Central. I stand by my original comparison of the two situations to offer hope for the coming 2012 season.

Nellie_Fox
01-25-2012, 04:46 PM
I do believe we have a shot in the Central in 2012.

http://www.ocdqblog.com/resource/WindowsLiveWriter-TheDumbandDumberGuidetoDataQuality_D66B-?fileId=5549546

So you're sayin' there's a chance!

Foulke You
01-25-2012, 05:31 PM
So you're sayin' there's a chance!
Everyone has a chance in January! Here is a sip of silver and black kool aid for everyone: :gulp: Just a sip though...don't chug it like they do 8 miles north.

asindc
01-25-2012, 05:33 PM
Everyone has a chance in January! Here is a sip of silver and black kool aid for everyone: :gulp: Just a sip though...don't chug it like they do 8 miles north.

They would spike it first and then forget who is playing.

balke
01-25-2012, 10:07 PM
Tigers are going to dominate the division. Still can't see them beating the Yankees. I don't see the Tigers running away with anything. I do see the Sox having 4 rough years ahead at least.

Vmart/Cabrera/Prince/Verlander

Arod/Teixera/Cano/Sabathia

all*star quentin
01-25-2012, 10:10 PM
Everyone has a chance in January! Here is a sip of silver and black kool aid for everyone: :gulp: Just a sip though...don't chug it like they do 8 miles north.

:gulp: I think I'll join you, just a sip.:smile:

FloridaTigers
01-27-2012, 01:16 AM
Tigers are going to dominate the division. Still can't see them beating the Yankees. I don't see the Tigers running away with anything. I do see the Sox having 4 rough years ahead at least.

Vmart/Cabrera/Prince/Verlander

Arod/Teixera/Cano/Sabathia

Seriously? The Yankees? We seem to be the only team in the Central that's beaten the Yankees in the postseason this last decade, and they haven't really gotten better. Mention the Rangers or even Angels and you have an argument. But not the Yanks. :scratch:

doublem23
01-27-2012, 06:38 AM
Seriously? The Yankees? We seem to be the only team in the Central that's beaten the Yankees in the postseason this last decade, and they haven't really gotten better. Mention the Rangers or even Angels and you have an argument. But not the Yanks. :scratch:

The addition of Pineda makes their pitching staff a lot better

Golden Sox
01-27-2012, 08:39 AM
Maybe I'm one of the few White Sox fans who's optimistic about 2012, but if Dunn, Rios and Beckham have good years offensively, I feel we can contend in 2012.

asindc
01-27-2012, 10:21 AM
Seriously? The Yankees? We seem to be the only team in the Central that's beaten the Yankees in the postseason this last decade, and they haven't really gotten better. Mention the Rangers or even Angels and you have an argument. But not the Yanks. :scratch:

Actually, almost the opposite is true. Minny is the only AL Central team that the Yanks have beaten in the postseason in the past decade. Your team and Cleveland have beaten the Yanks without having lost to them, and the Sox haven't played the Yanks in the postseason.

That said, I agree you. Until the Yanks prove they can beat an AL Central team besides the pretender Twinkees, I would give Detroit the edge over them.

Nellie_Fox
01-27-2012, 02:19 PM
Maybe I'm one of the few White Sox fans who's optimistic about 2012, but if Dunn, Rios and Beckham have good years offensively, I feel we can contend in 2012.And if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass.

mzh
01-27-2012, 03:29 PM
And if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass.
Frogs have never been known to have wings, but those three have had good seasons. Not saying I think it's gonna happen but it's not out of the question.

Fenway
01-28-2012, 11:25 PM
Bill Madden thinks the Tigers are nuts

But as one baseball executive, noting that the Tigers are actually revenue-sharing recipients, said the other day: “There’s no way to stop an old owner like Ilitch from digging into his own pocket and breaking the bank in an all-out effort to win, other than a hard salary cap.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/scott-boras-finds-dumb-owner-prince-fielder-a-fit-detroit-tigers-article-1.1013453#ixzz1kolxQNfK

Oblong
01-29-2012, 06:21 PM
Why would you want to stop an owner from doing what he can to win?

It would be a horrible day if baseball ever got a hard salary cap. That would be the single worst thing you could do to the sport.

Lip Man 1
01-29-2012, 06:36 PM
Agreed.

Lip

asindc
01-29-2012, 07:15 PM
Why would you want to stop an owner from doing what he can to win?

It would be a horrible day if baseball ever got a hard salary cap. That would be the single worst thing you could do to the sport.

Yeah, it has ruined the NFL.

SoxSpeed22
01-29-2012, 07:16 PM
Why would you want to stop an owner from doing what he can to win?

It would be a horrible day if baseball ever got a hard salary cap. That would be the single worst thing you could do to the sport.At first, it seems like a good idea, but then there would have to be cap-regulation rules, balancing salaries in trades, cap hits, and minimum salary rules that would actually be worse for small market teams. I hate to see superstars from small market teams leave for bigger markets as much as the next guy, but a salary cap would make things worse.

Daver
01-29-2012, 07:20 PM
Bill Madden thinks the Tigers are nuts

But as one baseball executive, noting that the Tigers are actually revenue-sharing recipients, said the other day: “There’s no way to stop an old owner like Ilitch from digging into his own pocket and breaking the bank in an all-out effort to win, other than a hard salary cap.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/scott-boras-finds-dumb-owner-prince-fielder-a-fit-detroit-tigers-article-1.1013453#ixzz1kolxQNfK

Name the exec. I would love to know who is this stupid and still a top executive of anything.

TheVulture
01-29-2012, 10:32 PM
Ortiz is 6'4" and about 250.

I can't remember a player with Prince's build EVER in MLB to tell the truth. At 5'11" 285-295ish he's one of a kind. Even his father was 6'3" and anywhere from 260-290, depending on the year, and did not have Prince's body type.

I rode an elevator with Cecil Fielder once, no way he was 6'3". I doubt he was any taller than 5'11" himself.

Oblong
01-29-2012, 11:07 PM
Yeah, it has ruined the NFL.

apples and oranges. The NFL plays 16 games a year and there's not as much disparity, if at all, between the teams in terms of TV/Media revenue. The NFL could play in front of empty stadiums each week and still profit.

A hard cap works in hockey because that league was facing serious revenue problems. Not revenue sharing but pure revenue. Baseball does not have that problem. They are rolling in the dough. Sometimes organizations simply make the business decision that it's more important to make a certain amount of money in exchange for winning more games. Winning's great, they want to win, but their #1 priority is that threshold. That's ok. That's their right and in some cases may be a requirement due to investor needs. There is no moral obligation to go all out and try to win. Some owners couldn't care less about the money, they just want a trophy. Some owners do not market their team the right way and some are intentionally screwing things up so that they can get more taxpayer assistance to build their stadium.

Baseball does not need a cap and it's a moot point anyway as the owners don't really want it and the players don't want it.

DSpivack
01-29-2012, 11:24 PM
apples and oranges. The NFL plays 16 games a year and there's not as much disparity, if at all, between the teams in terms of TV/Media revenue. The NFL could play in front of empty stadiums each week and still profit.

A hard cap works in hockey because that league was facing serious revenue problems. Not revenue sharing but pure revenue. Baseball does not have that problem. They are rolling in the dough. Sometimes organizations simply make the business decision that it's more important to make a certain amount of money in exchange for winning more games. Winning's great, they want to win, but their #1 priority is that threshold. That's ok. That's their right and in some cases may be a requirement due to investor needs. There is no moral obligation to go all out and try to win. Some owners couldn't care less about the money, they just want a trophy. Some owners do not market their team the right way and some are intentionally screwing things up so that they can get more taxpayer assistance to build their stadium.

Baseball does not need a cap and it's a moot point anyway as the owners don't really want it and the players don't want it.

There really is none,or at least hardly any (I don't know about radio deals, but I assume they are a pittance in comparison) as the NFL's media contracts are with all 32 teams; while in baseball there are 30 separate media deals. That's just the facts of each sport, and not something that I see that could be easily changed.

Fenway
01-29-2012, 11:52 PM
Name the exec. I would love to know who is this stupid and still a top executive of anything.

Crain's Detroit says the Tigers DO get some revenue sharing :?::scratch:

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20120129/FREE/301299952/in-signing-fielder-ilitch-isnt-stretching-dough

Daver
01-30-2012, 12:40 AM
Crain's Detroit says the Tigers DO get some revenue sharing :?::scratch:

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20120129/FREE/301299952/in-signing-fielder-ilitch-isnt-stretching-dough

I was not questioning Detroit getting money, every team in MLB does.

cards press box
01-30-2012, 01:26 AM
Bill Madden thinks the Tigers are nuts.

I don't know if the Tigers are nuts. I will say that the 2012 Tiger infield could be one of the worst fileding of all time. They will have a first baseman (Cabrera) at 3rd, a 3rd baseman (Peralta) at SS, a left fielder (Raburn) at 2B and a DH (Fielder) at 1B.

I am hard pressed to recall any championship team with that porous an infield.

Fenway
01-30-2012, 01:32 AM
I was not questioning Detroit getting money, every team in MLB does.

Yes every team gets $40M from the the shared network TV, merchandise and internet BUT apparently they also get additional revenue sharing money as MLB considers them a small market.

The Crain's article posted late Sunday night says that.

WhiteSox5187
01-30-2012, 03:16 AM
I don't know if the Tigers are nuts. I will say that the 2012 Tiger infield could be one of the worst fileding of all time. They will have a first baseman (Cabrera) at 3rd, a 3rd baseman (Peralta) at SS, a left fielder (Raburn) at 2B and a DH (Fielder) at 1B.

I am hard pressed to recall any championship team with that porous an infield.

Cabrera will not be playing third this year, it's next year that they are looking to make him a third baseman.

ChiSoxGal85
01-30-2012, 08:29 AM
Cabrera will not be playing third this year, it's next year that they are looking to make him a third baseman.

Where did you hear that? At the press conference last week, Leyland clearly stated that Cabrera would be moved to 3B.

I agree that's a pretty weak infield defensively. Guess we'll see if the offense can offset it.

Oblong
01-30-2012, 09:28 AM
I don't know if the Tigers are nuts. I will say that the 2012 Tiger infield could be one of the worst fileding of all time. They will have a first baseman (Cabrera) at 3rd, a 3rd baseman (Peralta) at SS, a left fielder (Raburn) at 2B and a DH (Fielder) at 1B.

I am hard pressed to recall any championship team with that porous an infield.

It's worth noting, even Tigers fans screw this up, that the reason Cabrera was moved from 3B to 1B in 2008 was because Carlos Guillen was beyond bad at 1B. Of Cabrera's 5 or 6 errors at 3B that year, at least 3 from memory, were on throws to Guillen that he rightly should have had, but were charged to Cabrera. Since the team had Inge already for 3B they decided to move Cabrera to 1B and find somewhere else for Guillen to hurt himself.

I'm not suggesting Cabrera will win a gold glove, or even be average, but I don't think he's going to be a historic butcher. The Giants won the WS with Pablo Sandoval at 3B. The Yankees won with AROd and Jeter on the left side and those 2 have no range.

Daver
01-30-2012, 12:12 PM
Yes every team gets $40M from the the shared network TV, merchandise and internet BUT apparently they also get additional revenue sharing money as MLB considers them a small market.

The Crain's article posted late Sunday night says that.

It still doesn't keep you from supplying the name of the dumbest exec in all of professional baseball.

Foulke You
01-30-2012, 12:59 PM
I'm not suggesting Cabrera will win a gold glove, or even be average, but I don't think he's going to be a historic butcher. The Giants won the WS with Pablo Sandoval at 3B. The Yankees won with AROd and Jeter on the left side and those 2 have no range.
I don't think anyone is suggesting just Cabrera at 3B alone would be the cause of the Tigers struggling to win a World Series but the overall poor defense in the infield might be an issue in a playoff series. The Tigers will be defensively weak at every single infield position and not just 3B. An infield of Cabrera, Peralta, Raburn, and Fielder will easily be one of the worst infield defenses in the AL. It's not just the errors, it is the complete lack of range on the plays that should have been made. I really felt that this lack of range hurt the Tigers in last year's ALCS and now they have downgraded the defense further by adding Fielder.

However, the Tigers offense should definitely be able to mash out a ton of runs and it will be a fearsome middle of the order which could be enough to offset the errors. Verlander is also primarily a strikeout guy so it won't effect him much either. However, if I'm Dombrowski, I would stay away from loading up on ground ball pitchers if they want to go deep in the playoffs the next few seasons.

Fenway
01-30-2012, 01:06 PM
It still doesn't keep you from supplying the name of the dumbest exec in all of professional baseball.

Ask Bill Madden he was the one that wrote it. Hopefully it isn't anyone from Chicago. :tongue: