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thomas35forever
12-25-2011, 02:07 PM
Kind of similar to the Hawk of today. Also, how long has Jim Angio been the director of Sox broadcasts?
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tebman
12-25-2011, 02:41 PM
Great rant by Harrelson. Does anybody know if there was an appeal after that?

Brian26
12-25-2011, 02:49 PM
Look at Hawk at about 4:12. LOL.

Can MLB just cancel the 2012 season and show old videos all season?

I remember this meltdown from August or September of '91. Love how the Sportschannel camera stays zoomed in on the Frankenstein lady that touched the ball while she's packing up her seat cushion and other assorted ****.

Lip Man 1
12-25-2011, 02:53 PM
He was justified.

Lip

Brian26
12-25-2011, 02:54 PM
Hawk was sporting the flat-brimmed hat 15 years before it became popular.

cub killer
12-25-2011, 03:18 PM
Kind of similar to the Hawk of today. Also, how long has Jim Angio been the director of Sox broadcasts?
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It seems like the black tops back then were thinner. I know they're missing the names on the back, and the numbers look to be of a different font. Does anyone know if those jerseys were indeed lighter?

DSpivack
12-25-2011, 03:27 PM
Was that at the Rangers' crappy stadium before they opened the mediocre new one?

Fenway
12-25-2011, 03:36 PM
Was that at the Rangers' crappy stadium before they opened the mediocre new one?

Yes and a rare afternoon game - the umpire most likely wanted a cold shower and beer.

Lip Man 1
12-25-2011, 06:35 PM
Spivak:

That was Arlington Stadium the original home to the Rangers franchise.

Lip

hi im skot
12-25-2011, 08:32 PM
This should be in the Smithsonian.

Johnny Mostil
12-25-2011, 08:48 PM
I remember this meltdown from August or September of '91.

This (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX199109080.shtml) game?

Fenway
12-25-2011, 09:00 PM
I *think* Jim Angio goes all the way back to WSNS. He did Hawks games as well for SportsChannel. Good guy and is very respected by crews in the AL.

He yelled at me once - somebody on the White Sox hit a ball to left.... and Manny took off in the wrong direction - Jim screamed 'follow the ball' - and I said 'I am' :tongue:

kba
12-25-2011, 09:44 PM
I *think* Jim Angio goes all the way back to WSNS. He did Hawks games as well for SportsChannel. Good guy and is very respected by crews in the AL.

Jim Angio does indeed go back to the WSNS days. He's been directing Sox telecasts since 1978.

tebman
12-25-2011, 11:23 PM
I remember seeing this, mostly because I remember Harrelson's post-game description of the "brutal call". No excuse for way that turned out.

DumpJerry
12-25-2011, 11:31 PM
Hawk is pissed because it ended the game thus depriving him of the opportunity to whine about it for a full nine innings.


I'm sure he made up for it the next day.

Fenway
12-25-2011, 11:35 PM
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SaltyPretzel
12-25-2011, 11:46 PM
It seems like the black tops back then were thinner. I know they're missing the names on the back, and the numbers look to be of a different font. Does anyone know if those jerseys were indeed lighter?

The font of the lettering didn't have the black outline before the silver outline. The buttons were also white and the sleeves didn't have the white and silver trim like they do today.

I like the old ones better. They're cleaner looking.

PKalltheway
12-26-2011, 12:37 AM
Look at Hawk at about 4:12. LOL.
Favorite part of the entire video. I also love how Hawk responds to Wimpy saying that today "was just a tough break."

:hawk

"Well, it's not a tough break!" :D:

Brian26
12-26-2011, 12:44 AM
Ok, a couple of more observations here because I went back and watched the video again.

First of all, after Sportschannel showed the replay no less than six times, it really looks like Juan Gonzalez would have scored from first base on that play easily even if McCray would have made a solid throw. Gonzalez was sliding into home while Ozzie was catching the relay.

Second, the woman who reached over the fence to grab the ball may have actually been a White Sox fan. It looks like there's a "Nellie Fox Fan Club" sign directly in front of her seats.

SOXSINCE'70
12-26-2011, 01:35 PM
Yes and a rare afternoon game - the umpire most likely wanted a cold shower and beer.

That was a Sunday afternoon game,IIRC.I remember feeling the need to vomit after that inning.Not pretty.:puking:

downstairs
12-26-2011, 02:46 PM
Hawk has worn thin on me lately, but I still love his liberal use of the term "B.S."

Frater Perdurabo
12-26-2011, 03:08 PM
I recall Thigpen blowing a lot of leads that year, especially against the Rangers.

SI1020
12-26-2011, 03:42 PM
Hawk's voice was clearer and crisper back then. The timbre of his voice has changed a little as he's aged.

PalehosePlanet
12-27-2011, 05:03 PM
I recall Thigpen blowing a lot of leads that year, especially against the Rangers.

As soon as I read your post, I instantly remembered this game from 1990.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX199004240.shtml

To this day the only other games where I've been this pissed at our closer were the Jenks blowup in Minny in 2010, and Foulke's blowup in Minny (the Denny Hocking game.)

apbaball
12-29-2011, 09:32 AM
Look at Hawk at about 4:12. LOL.

Can MLB just cancel the 2012 season and show old videos all season?

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Good idea. I have a couple I can contribute to the cause; Baines's 3 HR game from 1982, the AJ-Barrett fight from '06, AJ's game winning HR off Dempster in 06, the 2005 World Series of course and a few others from the 83 and 93.

gobears1987
12-29-2011, 10:40 AM
I know he gets a lot of hate, but I still love The Hawk. I had MLB.tv this last year and seeing the other broadcast teams out there really made me appreciate Hawkeroo.

TommyJohn
12-29-2011, 10:44 AM
As soon as I read your post, I instantly remembered this game from 1990.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX199004240.shtml

To this day the only other games where I've been this pissed at our closer were the Jenks blowup in Minny in 2010, and Foulke's blowup in Minny (the Denny Hocking game.)

THIS game is seared into my brain as solidly as the Omega scar on Michael Jordan's chest.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BAL/BAL198507110.shtml

soxinem1
12-29-2011, 01:38 PM
THIS game is seared into my brain as solidly as the Omega scar on Michael Jordan's chest.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BAL/BAL198507110.shtml

I remember that game extremely well. Bob James blew his knee and Mike Stanton came in and just stunk up the place.

It was the first time my Mom heard me say '****!!!!!' I didn't know she was anywhere near me when I said it. :D:

This game was one I was at and I sure remember the crowd reaction when the immortal Lee Stevens launched a bomb on Thigpen:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA199008250.shtml

TommyJohn
12-29-2011, 02:01 PM
I remember that game extremely well. Bob James blew his knee and Mike Stanton came in and just stunk up the place.

It was the first time my Mom heard me say '****!!!!!' I didn't know she was anywhere near me when I said it. :D:

This game was one I was at and I sure remember the crowd reaction when the immortal Lee Stevens launched a bomb on Thigpen:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA199008250.shtml


I remember the Lee Stevens game well. I was watching the end of it in the NIU student commons. It was a Saturday night, so I was the only loser there, along with two other guys who were Cub fans. I remember one guy looked like your typical frat boy "I'm going to pick on you because you're a lower life form" douchebag. When Stevens hit the home run, they both clapped furiously.

The next day I was watching a Cubs-Braves game in Atlanta. The Cubs blew a 9th inning lead. I clapped passionately and dedicated the game to my two new friends, who I hoped were watching.

SOXPHILE
12-29-2011, 04:20 PM
I remember this game. To this day, I still reference it to other people when talking about stuff Hawk has said. I always tell people how he said "he makes the DAMN call...". Pissed at the time, but I always laugh about it now.

Brian26
12-29-2011, 05:25 PM
This game was one I was at and I sure remember the crowd reaction when the immortal Lee Stevens launched a bomb on Thigpen:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA199008250.shtml

The Lee Stevens bomb was the "dagger" game of 1990. I can still see that ball sailing into the centerfield bullpen.

Hitmen77
12-29-2011, 05:35 PM
I remember this game. To this day, I still reference it to other people when talking about stuff Hawk has said. I always tell people how he said "he makes the DAMN call...". Pissed at the time, but I always laugh about it now.

I didn't remember this specific blown call vs. Texas, but what I do remember is Hawk shouting "he makes the DAMN call".


This game was one I was at and I sure remember the crowd reaction when the immortal Lee Stevens launched a bomb on Thigpen:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA199008250.shtml

I was at this game too. :angry:

That 1990 team was a terrific ball club. It's a damn shame they couldn't have benefited from the current playoff alignment (3 divisions plus wild card). The Sox finished 10 games behind the 104-win A's, but I believe they were 7 games better than the AL East champion BlowSox.

TommyJohn
12-29-2011, 05:51 PM
I didn't remember this specific blown call vs. Texas, but what I do remember is Hawk shouting "he makes the DAMN call".



I was at this game too. :angry:

That 1990 team was a terrific ball club. It's a damn shame they couldn't have benefited from the current playoff alignment (3 divisions plus wild card). The Sox finished 10 games behind the 104-win A's, but I believe they were 7 games better than the AL East champion BlowSox.

You are correct, sir. The Sox were 94-68 (The A's were actually 103-59) and the Red Sox went 88-74 (beating the White Sox on the last day of the season at Fenway to clinch the division). In fact, the White Sox had a better record than that year's World Series champion Reds, who went 91-71! It is one of three seasons in which a White Sox team that did not play in the postseason had a better record than that year's World Series winner.

JorgeFabregas
12-29-2011, 07:28 PM
You are correct, sir. The Sox were 94-68 (The A's were actually 103-59) and the Red Sox went 88-74 (beating the White Sox on the last day of the season at Fenway to clinch the divsion). In fact, the White Sox had a better record than that year's World Series champion Reds, who went 91-71! It is one of three seasons in which a White Sox team that did not play in the postseason had a better record than that year's World Series winner.
What's the other season besides 2006?

Brian26
12-29-2011, 07:47 PM
Probably '64 or '67.

Edit - just checked, 1964. Sox lost the American League by one game to the Yankees. Sox had 98 wins.

Cards beat NYY in the series. Cards had 93 wins.

WhiteSox5187
12-29-2011, 08:08 PM
Probably '64 or '67.

Edit - just checked, 1964. Sox lost the American League by one game to the Yankees. Sox had 98 wins.

Cards beat NYY in the series. Cards had 93 wins.

Lip would know this better than me but I think in 1964 the White Sox won something like their last ten games in a row, the problem was the Yankees won their last 11. Or maybe it was nine and ten.

soxinem1
12-29-2011, 09:23 PM
The Lee Stevens bomb was the "dagger" game of 1990. I can still see that ball sailing into the centerfield bullpen.

I watched it sitting by the White Sox bullpen. :angry::angry:

It's an old cliche' but I had a bad feeling about that game from the sixth inning on..... It was just one of those games (like the blown 6-0 lead against DET this year, and Keith Foulke giving up the bomb to Denny Hocking) you just did not have a good feeling about..... and knew they would lose :(:

As great as 1990 was, there were several games that the White Sox grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory.

The April games against TEX when everything Thigpen threw wound up in the seats, the Turn-Back-The-Clock Game that squandered a big lead against MIL, and the heart-breaker against OAK when Barry Jones choked away a win.

TommyJohn
12-29-2011, 10:35 PM
What's the other season besides 2006?

Probably '64 or '67.

Edit - just checked, 1964. Sox lost the American League by one game to the Yankees. Sox had 98 wins.

Cards beat NYY in the series. Cards had 93 wins.

1964:
White Sox 98-64
World Series winner Cardinals 93-69

2006
White Sox 90-72
World Series winner Cardinals 83-78

Lip Man 1
12-30-2011, 01:17 AM
5187:

The 64 Sox finished the year winning nine in a row.

The problem was the Yankees after the Sox swept them four straight and the famous Phil Linz harmonica incident went on to win 23 of 30 including 11 in a row against the Angels, Athletics, Indians and Senators from September 16 through September 26.

The Sox were four or five out in the middle of the month before making their final push. It was to late.

What killed them was something Milo Hamilton reminded me of when I interviewed him for WSI, the crushing double header loss to the garbage Senators in Washington on September 7. They lost both games to starting pitchers who had a combined record of 7-17 starting the day, Bennie Daniels and Dave Stenhouse.

Lip

Tragg
12-31-2011, 10:11 AM
What killed them was something Milo Hamilton reminded me of when I interviewed him for WSI, the crushing double header loss to the garbage Senators in Washington on September 7. They lost both games to starting pitchers who had a combined record of 7-17 starting the day, Bennie Daniels and Dave Stenhouse.

Lip

As I recall, losing to the Senators and Athletics, the 2 worst AL teams, cost us a pennant in 1967, my first year following the Sox.

Lip Man 1
12-31-2011, 11:30 AM
Tragg:

It was the A's that really did it in 67. Washington just put the final nail in the coffin the final weekend.

Lip