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doublem23
11-29-2011, 09:03 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Albert-Pujols-Prince-Fielder-Chicago-Cubs-pursuing-star-free-agents-112811

beasly213
11-29-2011, 10:02 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Albert-Pujols-Prince-Fielder-Chicago-Cubs-pursuing-star-free-agents-112811


Pretty much every interview given Theo has said "We're not going out and signing any big free agents" without flat out saying it. However with all of the rule changes about draft picks perhaps he's changed his tune....

veeter
11-29-2011, 10:19 AM
This is more Pujols' and Fielder's people driving up the price, to me. Cubs get neither IMO.

Risk
11-29-2011, 11:16 AM
This is more Pujols' and Fielder's people driving up the price, to me. Cubs get neither IMO.

I agree. Personally, I don't think the cute and cuddlies have very much money to spend, and still have a lot of holes to fill.

Risk

doublem23
11-29-2011, 11:49 AM
I agree. Personally, I don't think the cute and cuddlies have very much money to spend, and still have a lot of holes to fill.

Risk

I don't know, by my count, they've erased roughly $55 M off the books from Opening Day, 2011 -

Fukudome - $14.5
Aramis - $14.6
Silva - $11.5
Pena - $10
Grabow - $4.8

DumpJerry
11-29-2011, 12:30 PM
I don't know, by my count, they've erased roughly $55 M off the books from Opening Day, 2011 -

Fukudome - $14.5
Aramis - $14.6
Silva - $11.5
Pena - $10
Grabow - $4.8
According to Baseball-Reference (http://www.baseball-reference.com/), the Cubs' current payroll stands at 68.6M with only six guys under contract (not counting Arb-eligible and pre-arb) and they estimate the 2012 payroll for the Blues to be 102.5M Interestingly, the team with the most guys under contract right now? The White Sox and Phillies with 13 each.

Risk
11-29-2011, 12:39 PM
I don't know, by my count, they've erased roughly $55 M off the books from Opening Day, 2011 -

Fukudome - $14.5
Aramis - $14.6
Silva - $11.5
Pena - $10
Grabow - $4.8

Even with that cleared money, right there (sans Silva who wasn't even on the team last year) are 3 everyday players plus a lefty specialist. Not only that, they don't really have anything to speak of in their starting rotation (aging/bad Dempster, emotionally unstable/insane/expensive bad Zambrano, etc., etc.). Signing an expensive, top-tier (albeit all-world free agent like Pujols or Fielder) wouldn't help them since it would tie up too much money in one player and would lead to yet another losing season. As overrated as I think Epstein is (even though I think he is good, just not the savior he is being made out be), I don't think he's stupid.

Granted, as we all know that even as much as their fans deny it, the majority still have the "losing is cute mentality/winning doesn't matter attitude" and will still fill the world's largest, smelliest and crumbling beer garden and continously shell out top dollar to watch half-assed play.

Which leads me to my next point about said crumbling, smelly stadium--it is in need of major repairs/rebuild, which aren't going to be cheap, and I'd love to have whatever the Ricketts are drinking/smoking if they think they are going to get public financing from the state/city.

Not to mention that the Ricketts family overpaid for the franchise (by some estimates of up to $150M) and with the debt servicing they used to finance the purchase, I just don't think they have a ton of money to spend (but I certainly don't think that they are going poor, either).

Just my $0.02.

Risk

Fenway
11-29-2011, 08:02 PM
Cubs call Albert Pujols' reps

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7294424/source-chicago-cubs-call-st-louis-cardinals-free-agent-albert-pujols-reps-express-interest

WSox597
11-29-2011, 08:12 PM
Pujols will probably break the bank somewhere. Hopefully the Cards can keep him somehow.

The Cardinal fan base would collectively puke blood if the Cubs managed to sign him. I wouldn't blame them.

Fielder always looks like he's one cupcake away from a major injury. And they're both first basemen.

soxfanreggie
11-29-2011, 08:16 PM
Cubs call Albert Pujols' reps

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7294424/source-chicago-cubs-call-st-louis-cardinals-free-agent-albert-pujols-reps-express-interest

I'm sure a lot of other teams called Pujols' reps though. It will either come down to him staying with the Cards for a decent offer or trying to break the bank with as big of a deal as he can get. For most teams out there, doing that could hurt their chances of being able to get enough surrounding talent to help Albert out.

russ99
11-29-2011, 08:20 PM
I'm sure a lot of other teams called Pujols' reps though. It will either come down to him staying with the Cards for a decent offer or trying to break the bank with as big of a deal as he can get. For most teams out there, doing that could hurt their chances of being able to get enough surrounding talent to help Albert out.

Which is why I'm convinced that if he doesn't re-up with the Cards, he's going to the Yankees or Red Sox.

DSpivack
11-29-2011, 08:57 PM
I'm sure a lot of other teams called Pujols' reps though. It will either come down to him staying with the Cards for a decent offer or trying to break the bank with as big of a deal as he can get. For most teams out there, doing that could hurt their chances of being able to get enough surrounding talent to help Albert out.

They have quite a bit of money freed up after 2012, so I can actually see them signing Pujols or Fielder.

I do think they would be hampered in filling out the rest of the roster, however, and because of the situation of the park and Ricketts' themselves, I think that their budget may be less than it would be otherwise.

A. Cavatica
11-29-2011, 09:00 PM
I wish we could sign both Pujols and Fielder. Konerko could lead off and move to catcher...

thomas35forever
11-29-2011, 09:05 PM
Which is why I'm convinced that if he doesn't re-up with the Cards, he's going to the Yankees or Red Sox.
Would he DH or would those duties go to Texeira/Gonzalez?

Smokey Burg
11-30-2011, 12:55 PM
Rsik, I agree with your assesment. If they sign both, or even one, they will be surrounded by mediocrity. Not like that has ever happened before.

SOXPHILE
11-30-2011, 03:13 PM
It's not going to happen. I don't know where either will wind up (I think Pujols will probably stay a Cardinal) - but neither one will be wearing Cubs uniforms. Sorry Dave Kaplan. What is interesting is most Cubs Game Fans and the media seem to think so too. I just don't think they can afford them. If they did get either one, what kind of team would they be able to put around them ? Not enough cash to go around. It flies in the face of how they are "unofficially" re-building. It would not make any sense.