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DirtySox
11-22-2011, 12:29 PM
Changes so far are a doozy. Pretty ****ty overall for small market teams. Especially those that realize the need to invest in the draft and to build from within.


International:


JeffPassan Jeff Passan
International bonuses undergoing drastic overhaul. Among the biggest: Starting in 2013-14, teams can trade $ from their international pool.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
For example: Worst team in baseball gets $5M to spend internationally. If team doesn't want to spend it all, it can trade $ to another team.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Teams can trade for only 50% more than their international spending cap. So if a team has a $2.5M cap, most it can trade for is $1.25M.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Every team will have $2.9M to spend in international bonus money this season. Money is not tradeable this year.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Sources: Cubans under 23 years old and with less than three years in pro ball will be considered "amateurs" and count against int'l bonus $.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
In other words, players like Yoenis Cespedes are safe. Had Aroldis Chapman defected now, however, he would have received way less than $30M.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Overall money to be spent in draft and int'l FA in line with 2010 figures. CBA attempts to give advantage to bad teams via larger pools.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Worst teams, for example, will receive ~$5M in int'l $. Best teams will get ~$1.8M. Not sure on exact figures for draft, but similar %.
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DKnobler DKnobler
Teams with the worst records get the most money to sign international players. Other teams can exceed limits, but lose rights in future yrs
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DKnobler DKnobler
International signing limits will go into effect next winter, so won't limit Cespedes bonus
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DKnobler DKnobler
International signing limits will not affect the posting system for players from Japan
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Draft:


JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Draft tax is harsh: Teams that go more than 5% over slot get a 75% tax. From 5-10% over, a 75% tax and loss of 1st-round pick the next year.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
More draft tax: Go 10-15% over, 100% tax and loss of 1st- and 2nd-round picks. 15% and higher is 100% tax and loss of two first-round picks.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
What MLB wanted more than anything with draft is players to get selected in order of talent. MLB believes this system will force that.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Draft signing deadline moves from Aug. 15 to between July 12 and 18.
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DKnobler DKnobler
Teams will lose a draft pick if they exceed their "draft pool" by even 5 percent
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DKnobler DKnobler
Lose 1st and 2nd round picks the next year if they exceed "pool" by 10-15 percent
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DKnobler DKnobler
If you don't exceed your "draft pool" (basically slot), then you have a chance to be awarded the picks lost by teams that did exceed it
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
If a player signs after the 10th round for more than $100,000, the excess money will go against a team's draft pool.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Very interesting: There is a "competitive balance lottery" that awards lowest-revenue and smallest-market teams extra draft picks.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
There will be six draft picks immediately after the first round given out via lottery to teams with 10 lowest revenues, 10 smallest markets.
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JeffPassan Jeff Passan
From an MLB/MLBPA release: "A club’s odds of winning the lottery will be based on its prior season’s winning percentage."
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SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Drafted players may only sign minor-league deals now. #MLB, #cba
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DKnobler DKnobler
Pre-draft drug testing for the top 200 prospects
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DirtySox
11-22-2011, 12:32 PM
Still need time to digest. As a White Sox fan, the changes are rather beneficial. Teams like the Pirates and Royals are severely hurt. Supposedly the majority of the GMs hate the changes. The owners don't though.

doublem23
11-22-2011, 12:33 PM
Changes so far are a doozy. Pretty ****ty overall for small market teams. Especially those that realize the need to invest in the draft and to build from within.

This looks great for small market teams, top prospects won't be able to play the signability card and get skipped over for lesser players who will take less, only to wind up with a bigger spender who will pay their demands.

DirtySox
11-22-2011, 12:34 PM
This looks great for small market teams, top prospects won't be able to flaunt their signability and get skipped over for lesser players who will take less.

The majority of the small market teams have been the ones selecting those players that would be skipped. Pirates, Jays, Nationals, Royals have all been picking those hard signs and throwing money at them. That's why they've been at the top of bonus spending for a few years now. This merely helps teams that are cheap and unwilling to go over slot.

Conversely, I'm pleased that this is going to hurt teams like the Red Sox. Should also hurt the Cubs who just recently started unloading bags of money in the draft. Theo's Red Sox model which he was bringing to the Cubs is pretty ****ed.

DirtySox
11-22-2011, 12:40 PM
JeffPassan Jeff Passan
The big question is if this will prevent amateur talent from coming into baseball. And the overwhelming sentiment from the industry is: Yes.
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DirtySox
11-22-2011, 12:41 PM
JeffPassan Jeff Passan
The teams that amateur rules affect most: Successful, low-revenue teams like Tampa Bay, which now have even less room for error than before.
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jimcallisBA Jim Callis
By my calculations, TWENTY teams went 16% or more over slot this year, which would have triggered 100% tax & loss of two 1st-rders #mlbdraft
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SoxSpeed22
11-22-2011, 12:42 PM
These changes bode pretty well for us since it puts more emphasis on the proper amount based on slot. International signing used to be a free for all, but now there is some regulation to it.

DirtySox
11-22-2011, 12:43 PM
These changes bode pretty well for us since it puts more emphasis on the proper amount based on slot. International signing used to be a free for all, but now there is some regulation to it.

Quite right. This certainly helps the White Sox. I'll be happy in that regard.

DirtySox
11-22-2011, 12:47 PM
These changes will also cause more of the prep talent to attend college. It essentially eliminates the leverage these players had in threats of going to school instead.

sox1970
11-22-2011, 12:48 PM
I like the draft signing deadline is moving up to July. That August 15th deadline was terrible.

DirtySox
11-22-2011, 12:49 PM
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
You know how the Royals have a great system? They did that through spending big money on the draft. Strategy now basically illegal.
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Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
You know how the Rangers have a remarkable wealth of high-ceiling talent due to incredible international work? Strategy now illegal.
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DirtySox
11-22-2011, 12:55 PM
A positive; Boras is probably super pissed.

cws05champ
11-22-2011, 07:27 PM
Pretty good breakdown here:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2011/2612639.html

DirtySox
11-23-2011, 03:18 PM
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
slot numbers for 1st 6 picks r $7.2M, 6.2M, 5.2M, 4.2M, 3.5M, 3.2M. final pick of 1st round will have $1.6M slot. #cba
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Tannerfan
11-23-2011, 08:18 PM
What I find fascinating is how the agents seem to have been in the dark, and not a part of this negotiation.
My understanding is Scott Boras has been on radio, ripping the new CBA.
It sounds like he did not know what was coming, or if he did he did he could not influence it.
I am pro union, but if Boras is losing some of his influence in baseball, then this is a good thing.

rdivaldi
11-24-2011, 12:07 AM
I love the new draft rules, puts more emphasis on actually scouting the players and less emphasis on $$$. The "over slot" signings by the big spenders always bothered me, glad to see that gone.

DirtySox
11-28-2011, 11:50 AM
jimcallisBA Jim Callis
#mlbdraft changes looking more dire. Just heard from club exec who said pool for first 10 rounds closer to $180 mil than reported $200 mil
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jimcallisBA Jim Callis
More from exec: If you don't sign a pick, you lose his cap value. You can't not sign 1st-rder & spend his $ elsewhere. #mlbdraft
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asindc
11-28-2011, 12:00 PM
I love the new draft rules, puts more emphasis on actually scouting the players and less emphasis on $$$. The "over slot" signings by the big spenders always bothered me, glad to see that gone.

I agree. They basically just solidified the chances that the system will work as intended all along. I would have liked to see them make it mandatory that international players enter the draft, like the NBA does, but this is progress IMO.

Harry Chappas
11-29-2011, 02:07 PM
This will be pretty interesting. So does this in any way encourage/force someone like Kenny Williams to draft for talent and not necessarily signability? It seems like it would but maybe I'm misreading it. Any thoughts?

Harry Chappas
11-29-2011, 02:39 PM
This will be pretty interesting. So does this in any way encourage/force someone like Kenny Williams to draft for talent and not necessarily signability? It seems like it would but maybe I'm misreading it. Any thoughts?

RichO
11-29-2011, 03:20 PM
This will be pretty interesting. So does this in any way encourage/force someone like Kenny Williams to draft for talent and not necessarily signability? It seems like it would but maybe I'm misreading it. Any thoughts?

Yes and no. Signability in the "will this guy want too much money" sense is largely off the table in early rounds anyway. Signability remains a factor for guys with college commitments, as it always will, but the leverage that commitment creates is wildly reduced.

Instead of the onus being on teams to buy players out of college, it shifts to being more on the player to decide whether to enter pro ball immediately or not.

There could be an emphasis on drafting higher ceiling high school talent sooner in order to make sure you're drafting them in spots where you can give them the money it takes to sign without incurring penalties, with an accompanying inefficiency with regards to the "safer" college seniors. So the system could encourage teams to take more risks, betting on tools.

But deeper into the draft you could see teams drifting toward safer picks, and moving away from the idea of drafting on talent. Under the old system, guys with talent who were seen as firm in their college commitment would fall until a team was willing to take a chance on money-whipping him.

I think this probably helps the Sox- they've been full of talk about drafting aggressively in recent years but have never put in the resources it takes to actually do it. Now that everyone is forced to play by the Sox self-imposed rules, they should have better access to talent. Maybe even start going after high school talent finally.