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Fenway
10-12-2011, 01:53 AM
I know the writer of this story. He has been an insider at Fenway for over 20 years but not a byline person.

You would only see a story like this in Boston, New York or Philadelphia papers...(would never happen in Chicago) -

This is on the FRONT PAGE of the Wednesday Globe.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/12/red_sox_unity_dedication_dissolved_during_epic_lat e_season_collapse/?page=full

DirtySox
10-12-2011, 02:18 AM
I know the writer of this story. He has been an insider at Fenway for over 20 years but not a byline person.

You would only see a story like this in Boston, New York or Philadelphia papers...(would never happen in Chicago) -

This is on the FRONT PAGE of the Wednesday Globe.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/12/red_sox_unity_dedication_dissolved_during_epic_lat e_season_collapse/?page=full

Just as one suspected. The majority of Red Sox players are gigantic douchebags.

Fenway
10-12-2011, 03:04 AM
Just as one suspected. The majority of Red Sox players are gigantic douchebags.

As someone who works in the ballparks and arenas the Red Sox are among the worst. Best athletes to work with are hockey players, followed by football -basketball and baseball players are the worst.

The Tim Wakefield drive to 200 wins set the tone. Remember he first has the chance to do it in Chicago in late July....finally happened in September.

Boston is where the Mets were in 2007....and they could easily become insignificant for the next few years.

DirtySox
10-12-2011, 03:16 AM
As someone who works in the ballparks and arenas the Red Sox are among the worst. Best athletes to work with are hockey players, followed by football -basketball and baseball players are the worst.

The Tim Wakefield drive to 200 wins set the tone. Remember he first has the chance to do it in Chicago in late July....finally happened in September.

Boston is where the Mets were in 2007....and they could easily become insignificant for the next few years.

At least Pedroia and Ellsbury sound like good guys. I was somewhat surprised at the lack of anything negative about Papelbon. He just oozes asshat while on the mound.

gobears1987
10-12-2011, 06:16 AM
I'm shocked there is no mention of Bobby Jenks in there. No teal.

DumpJerry
10-12-2011, 06:39 AM
I'm shocked there is no mention of Bobby Jenks in there. No teal.
It would help to be on the active roster for more than ten minutes to have any type of impact, negative or positive.

If I were a Cub fan, I would not want to read this article.

C-Dawg
10-12-2011, 06:45 AM
And they managed all this discontent and disinterest without a Manny Ramirez there to set an example? I'm impressed!

LITTLE NELL
10-12-2011, 07:47 AM
Reading that article warmed the cockles of my heart.

spawn
10-12-2011, 08:17 AM
I'm shocked there is no mention of Bobby Jenks in there. No teal.

He is mentioned in the article.

SoxfaninLA
10-12-2011, 09:04 AM
I know the writer of this story. He has been an insider at Fenway for over 20 years but not a byline person.

You would only see a story like this in Boston, New York or Philadelphia papers...(would never happen in Chicago) -

This is on the FRONT PAGE of the Wednesday Globe.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/12/red_sox_unity_dedication_dissolved_during_epic_lat e_season_collapse/?page=full

If the Boston media was so fearless and thorough how come none of this stuff came out until 2 weeks after the Red Sox started playing golf? Something tells me that if they had squeaked in and were still playing today this story would have never been written.

Fenway
10-12-2011, 12:02 PM
If the Boston media was so fearless and thorough how come none of this stuff came out until 2 weeks after the Red Sox started playing golf? Something tells me that if they had squeaked in and were still playing today this story would have never been written.

Fair question..

One writer I know well told me it was not until Labor Day that he got a real sniff that something was rotten. He asked Francona and was told he was wrong.

We knew players were upset about the DH when Hurricane Irene hit but now it appears the team just plain QUIT because of it. Sad reality - for many of these overpaid pampered babies, the playoff money isn't worth it to them.

Most likely other writters were picking up on things but out of deference to Francona kept quiet. Everybody knew he had been tossed out of his home but even the gossip columns said nothing. Everybody also knew how worried he was about his son in Afghanistan.

Jenks spent most of the season in Ft. Myers on rehab.

thedudeabides
10-12-2011, 12:26 PM
If the Boston media was so fearless and thorough how come none of this stuff came out until 2 weeks after the Red Sox started playing golf? Something tells me that if they had squeaked in and were still playing today this story would have never been written.

I had family who lived in Boston for a number of years, and maybe Fenway can confirm this, but The Globe has always been a mouthpiece for ownership. This isn't surprising, as they have a record worse than the White Sox with players/coaches leaving on bad terms.

This to me seems like a smear campaign, to cover the upheaval in the front office. The timing is curious, considering the Theo news today. Also, this is completely low-class garbage to accuse Tito of having a drug problem, without any proof, while the guy is looking for work. The White Sox have never even sunk that low.

TheOldRoman
10-12-2011, 12:39 PM
The mention of his son and son-in-law being in Afghanistan was either shameful journalism or chicken **** from the source who guessed at it. Unless he talked regularly about how much it worried him, that is a pretty big assumption to make. I guess we should all avoid hiring people with military members in their family, for fear they won't be able to do their jobs.:rolleyes:

Fenway
10-12-2011, 12:40 PM
The mention of his son and son-in-law being in Afghanistan was either shameful journalism or chicken **** from the source who guessed at it. Unless he talked regularly about how much it worried him, that is a pretty big assumption to make. I guess we should all avoid hiring people with military members in their family, for fear they won't be able to do their jobs.:rolleyes:

He talked about his son all the time so no news there.

Fenway
10-12-2011, 12:50 PM
I had family who lived in Boston for a number of years, and maybe Fenway can confirm this, but The Globe has always been a mouthpiece for ownership. This isn't surprising, as they have a record worse than the White Sox with players/coaches leaving on bad terms.

This to me seems like a smear campaign, to cover the upheaval in the front office. The timing is curious, considering the Theo news today. Also, this is completely low-class garbage to accuse Tito of having a drug problem, without any proof, while the guy is looking for work. The White Sox have never even sunk that low.


Shaughnessy and Lucchino are close going back to their Baltimore days.

Until a few weeks ago the NY Times owned 17% of the Red Sox but they just sold it. (The Times owns the Globe)

Francona angered ownership last week when he said on WEEI that if the option had been picked up he would have accepted it, which ended the charade that this was a mutual decision.

I do not envy the man who becomes the next manager here.

TheOldRoman
10-12-2011, 12:50 PM
He talked about his son all the time so no news there.Did he talk about the fact that his son was there, or did he talk about how it kept him up at night and he worried about him during games? It's a big jump to say it made him a worse manager.

Fenway
10-12-2011, 01:10 PM
Did he talk about the fact that his son was there, or did he talk about how it kept him up at night and he worried about him during games? It's a big jump to say it made him a worse manager.

He said numerous times on WEEI and other outlets he had trouble sleeping at night because he knew it was daylight where his son was.

The perception here is that John Henry is too preoccupied with Liverpool to really be concerned with the Red Sox.

Liverpool just dropped a bomb on the Premier League
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2048026/Liverpool-want-sell-TV-rights.html#ixzz1aY42YURS

TheOldRoman
10-12-2011, 01:43 PM
He said numerous times on WEEI and other outlets he had trouble sleeping at night because he knew it was daylight where his son was.

The perception here is that John Henry is too preoccupied with Liverpool to really be concerned with the Red Sox.

Liverpool just dropped a bomb on the Premier League
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2048026/Liverpool-want-sell-TV-rights.html#ixzz1aY42YURS Fair enough, I take back my statement.

Fenway
10-12-2011, 01:49 PM
ESPN Boston Red Sox writer Gordon Edes just unloads on the smearing of Francona...

Listening to fan reaction on sports radio management has badly miscalculated the mood of the fan base.


http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7092528/terry-francona-victim-latest-red-sox-smear-campaign

Fenway
10-12-2011, 02:54 PM
Sports Editor of the Boston Globe defends the article.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/discuss_the_red.html?p1=News_links


Example
12:09
Comment From Jon in Phoenix
Second question is Doesn't Terry Francona deserve better? After being used as a scapegoat, now he is having his reputation trashed on the way out the door?

12:10

Joe Sullivan: He's a public figure who is paid a great deal of money. He bares a large part of responsibility.

Fenway
10-12-2011, 03:17 PM
Good gawd now Keith Olbermann attacks Red Sox ownership over the Globe story

http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/2011/10/12/the-curse-of-the-lucchino/

TheOldRoman
10-12-2011, 03:25 PM
Good gawd now Keith Olbermann attacks Red Sox ownership over the Globe story

http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/2011/10/12/the-curse-of-the-lucchino/Oh good. I was hoping to hear from someone irrelevant. I am eagerly awaiting the "Dude, you're getting a Dell" guy's take on this.

Fenway
10-12-2011, 11:50 PM
Oh good. I was hoping to hear from someone irrelevant. I am eagerly awaiting the "Dude, you're getting a Dell" guy's take on this.

Olbermann went on his show tonight attacking the Globe and Boston ownership

http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/keith-olbermann-decries-the-boston-globe-article-that-blames-the-former-gm-and-manager-of-the-red-sox-for-late-season-collapse

Mohoney
10-13-2011, 12:52 AM
Boston is where the Mets were in 2007....and they could easily become insignificant for the next few years.

:praying:

Zakath
10-13-2011, 06:43 AM
At least Pedroia and Ellsbury sound like good guys.

Ellsbury pretty much tried to put the team on his back and carry them. 105 RBI all year, but 65 of them were in July-September, as well as 23 of his team-leading 32 HR. .321 BA for the year, but .382 in July and .358 in September, with an OPS over 1.000 in both months and OBP over .400.

If there's anyone that should be allowed to take a step back from the firing line, he's it.

Vernam
10-13-2011, 07:45 AM
I had family who lived in Boston for a number of years, and maybe Fenway can confirm this, but The Globe has always been a mouthpiece for ownership. This isn't surprising, as they have a record worse than the White Sox with players/coaches leaving on bad terms.

This to me seems like a smear campaign, to cover the upheaval in the front office. The timing is curious, considering the Theo news today. Also, this is completely low-class garbage to accuse Tito of having a drug problem, without any proof, while the guy is looking for work. The White Sox have never even sunk that low.

Someone in Boston agrees with you: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/14943/schilling-accuses-sox-owners-of-character-assassination

Vernam

Fenway
10-13-2011, 10:42 AM
The anger towards the team and ownership is getting worse

Maybe it’s time to show real fans that you are back in the business of baseball and junk “Sweet Caroline’’ in the middle of the eighth.
Bad times never seemed so bad.

Dan Shaughnessy (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/13/theo_epsteins_departure_latest_sign_on_chaos_with_ red_sox/?page=full)

Ortiz threatens to jump to Yankees (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/ortiz_threateni.html?p1=News_links)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/321498_2397286924286_1014362077_32735707_183870691 6_n.jpg

http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/2011_1013cleanupstarts_withbeckett_ridding_clubhou se_of_stench_means_josh_must_go/srvc=home&position=also

SI1020
10-13-2011, 11:08 AM
Ellsbury pretty much tried to put the team on his back and carry them. 105 RBI all year, but 65 of them were in July-September, as well as 23 of his team-leading 32 HR. .321 BA for the year, but .382 in July and .358 in September, with an OPS over 1.000 in both months and OBP over .400.

If there's anyone that should be allowed to take a step back from the firing line, he's it. I so wish that we had Ellsbury on our team. As for the article it was unnecessarily vicious and cruel towards Francona and I'm glad that many are coming to his defense.

SI1020
10-13-2011, 11:31 AM
Oh good. I was hoping to hear from someone irrelevant. I am eagerly awaiting the "Dude, you're getting a Dell" guy's take on this. For obvious reasons I can't do a critique on Olberman, but that is one fine article, and also a very useful one. When hatchet journalism such as this Globe article appears, it must be challenged as much as possible.

asindc
10-13-2011, 12:54 PM
Another take on the situation: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/6378/boston-the-red-sox-and-anonymous-sources

I like the last line of the piece, in which the author basically says a team has problems if a player like John Lackey is more popular in the clubhouse than Jacoby Ellsbury this year.

Fenway
10-13-2011, 01:34 PM
Bob Ryan
http://www.csnne.com/pages/video?PID=uvXM2-TNJUdisd7vLckp12C3YTNwrO4LZlQIf9

Dan Patrick
http://www.csnne.com/pages/video?PID=uvXM2-TNJUdisd7vLckp12C3YTNwrO4LZlQIf9#


Lucchino doesn't refute facts of Globe story (http://www.csnne.com/10/13/11/Lucchino-doesnt-refute-facts-of-Globe-st/landing_redsox.html?blockID=576674&feedID=3352)

Fenway
10-13-2011, 08:15 PM
Howard Bryant piles on

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/bryant-111013/mlb-classless-end-red-sox-greatest-glory

as does Bill Madden in NY
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2011/10/13/2011-10-13_theoretically_bad.html?print=1&page=all

Vernam
10-13-2011, 09:55 PM
For obvious reasons I can't do a critique on Olberman, but that is one fine article, and also a very useful one. When hatchet journalism such as this Globe article appears, it must be challenged as much as possible.

Agreed, and these words ought to resonate for fans of both Sox:

If you ever need to de-construct a newspaper story based on anonymous sources – especially one printed in one of the so-called “more respectable” papers – all you need to know is who the writer savages and who he lets get away with it. Follow the blame. Whoever doesn’t get it, is probably the source.

Among several despicable things, anonymously criticizing a guy because he has loved ones in combat posts is one of the sleaziest bits of speculation.

Vernam

Fenway
10-13-2011, 10:00 PM
Agreed, and these words ought to resonate for fans of both Sox:

If you ever need to de-construct a newspaper story based on anonymous sources – especially one printed in one of the so-called “more respectable” papers – all you need to know is who the writer savages and who he lets get away with it. Follow the blame. Whoever doesn’t get it, is probably the source.

Among several despicable things, anonymously criticizing a guy because he has loved ones in combat posts is one of the sleaziest bits of speculation.

Vernam

The Globe has not had a good 5 days

Sunday they outed the woman who turned in Whitey Bulger to the FBI and now this.... The Globe is now the tabloid while the Herald (so far) has taken the high road.

Fenway
10-14-2011, 02:34 AM
Gammons disgusted as well

http://audio.weei.com/a/46984238/peter-gammons-mlb-insider.htm

TommyJohn
10-14-2011, 06:43 AM
The Globe has not had a good 5 days

Sunday they outed the woman who turned in Whitey Bulger to the FBI and now this.... The Globe is now the tabloid while the Herald (so far) has taken the high road.


They outed the woman who turned him in????? Why the hell would they do that? That is disgusting. Hey, does Whitey still have his friends in the Boston FBI? Sure sounds like it.

Fenway
10-14-2011, 11:07 AM
They outed the woman who turned him in????? Why the hell would they do that? That is disgusting. Hey, does Whitey still have his friends in the Boston FBI? Sure sounds like it.

FBI was not happy about it

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_1013globe_gets_cold_shoulder_from_feds_in_tip ster_leak/

Fenway
10-14-2011, 11:49 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/318505_2399653583451_1014362077_32737903_531530282 _n.jpg

Something like this has happened before in Boston and we would be wise to remember "A vivid cautionary tale about the dangers of isolationism, extremism, false accusations, lapses in due process, and intrusion on individual liberties".

That tale that seems all too familiar: The Salem Witch Trials.

Fenway
10-14-2011, 01:52 PM
Red Sox owner was just on WBZ-FM and said - WE DID NOT FIRE FRANCONA

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/10/14/felger-mazz-john-henry-invades-felger-and-massarotti/


Henry showed up at the station unannounced and was livid - amazing radio followed for 70 minutes.

SI1020
10-14-2011, 03:49 PM
Red Sox owner was just on WBZ-FM and said - WE DID NOT FIRE FRANCONA

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/10/14/felger-mazz-john-henry-invades-felger-and-massarotti/


Henry showed up at the station unannounced and was livid - amazing radio followed for 70 minutes. I could only devote part of my attention to it. JH did a lot of dancing in my view. Did they ask him about Carmine the computer making out lineups?

Fenway
10-14-2011, 03:58 PM
I could only devote part of my attention to it. JH did a lot of dancing in my view. Did they ask him about Carmine the computer making out lineups?

He did say Carmine had a seat at the draft table.

Fenway
10-14-2011, 05:28 PM
Henry did make one miscalculation as by showing up at WBZ-FM. When he tried to leave the station, every other Boston media outlet was outside waiting.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/10/john-henry-tries-to-set-record-straight-on-misinformation-says-red-sox-are-just-as-disappointed-as-f.html

PKalltheway
10-14-2011, 11:47 PM
One team that has to be loving this right now is the Atlanta Braves. Similar collapse and not nearly enough distraction/attention drawn to it (which is great for them). They can quietly regroup and prepare for next year without the media constantly looking for answers as to why they fell apart.

Fenway
10-15-2011, 10:05 AM
One team that has to be loving this right now is the Atlanta Braves. Similar collapse and not nearly enough distraction/attention drawn to it (which is great for them). They can quietly regroup and prepare for next year without the media constantly looking for answers as to why they fell apart.

What has happened in Boston the last 2 1/2 weeks was simply astonishing even by our nutty standards.

The Terry-Theo news conference.

The Terry is leaving news conference.

The beer video.

Lucchino and Henry going on WEEI which is the Red Sox flagship.

The Boston Globe article.

The topper of course was Henry showing up unannounced at WBZ-FM which has overtaken WEEI in listeners. The station which is the Patriots flagship and works closely with CSN-NE was all set with Patriots Friday when Henry showed up in the lobby.

WEEI/NESN execs must have cringed when Henry said I am on your station because you have more listeners you can lie to.

Henry saying on-air he didn't want Crawford in the first place ( he said he was overruled by baseball operations) will cause problems down the line.

This could be the 2007 Mets all over again.

guillensdisciple
10-15-2011, 11:55 AM
What has happened in Boston the last 2 1/2 weeks was simply astonishing even by our nutty standards.

The Terry-Theo news conference.

The Terry is leaving news conference.

The beer video.

Lucchino and Henry going on WEEI which is the Red Sox flagship.

The Boston Globe article.

The topper of course was Henry showing up unannounced at WBZ-FM which has overtaken WEEI in listeners. The station which is the Patriots flagship and works closely with CSN-NE was all set with Patriots Friday when Henry showed up in the lobby.

WEEI/NESN execs must have cringed when Henry said I am on your station because you have more listeners you can lie to.

Henry saying on-air he didn't want Crawford in the first place ( he said he was overruled by baseball operations) will cause problems down the line.

This could be the 2007 Mets all over again.
Dude, you have said this 5 times in the past week. I don't care but we get it.

Fenway
10-17-2011, 12:31 PM
Jon Lester admits much of the story is true

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/jon_lester_spea.html


Admits that the players pretty much ignored Francona at the end.

tstrike2000
10-17-2011, 12:38 PM
Jon Lester admits much of the story is true

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/jon_lester_spea.html


Admits that the players pretty much ignored Francona at the end.

That organization is just full of class acts.

Fenway
10-17-2011, 12:57 PM
That organization is just full of class acts.

Lester is the shocker.

Their biggest problem right now is Lackey. There are whispers that the Red Sox would be willing to take Carlos Zambrano if the Cubs take Lackey.

Fenway
10-17-2011, 01:43 PM
Didn't take Shaughnessy long to attack - he usually waits for the print edition...

Not this time

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/18/lesters_confession_is_little_consolation/?page=full

tstrike2000
10-17-2011, 02:12 PM
Lester is the shocker.

Their biggest problem right now is Lackey. There are whispers that the Red Sox would be willing to take Carlos Zambrano if the Cubs take Lackey.

Really? I think that would essentially be another Carl Everett. For some reason Lackey doesn't really surprise me. And I'm sure his divorced isn't helping him either.

Fenway
10-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Really? I think that would essentially be another Carl Everett. For some reason Lackey doesn't really surprise me. And I'm sure his divorced isn't helping him either.

Lackey simply can not come back.

Zambrano is another head case but he would at least have a clean slate here.

This story just refuses to die and it has been almost 3 weeks. The Patriots are playing well but even their nice win over Dallas is being ignored by sports media over the Red Sox soap opera.

Why this Theo situation is dragging on is a :scratch:

SI1020
10-17-2011, 09:11 PM
Didn't take Shaughnessy long to attack - he usually waits for the print edition...

Not this time

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/18/lesters_confession_is_little_consolation/?page=full In this cold cruel unpredictable world, when someone has your back at your most vulnerable time, you don't repay the favor by stabbing them in the back when they need you the most. This is a really sad and disgusting story.

Fenway
10-17-2011, 09:20 PM
Curt on a car phone has pretty much burned his bridges with ownership

http://audio.weei.com/a/47121746/curt-schilling-calls-in-to-discuss-jon-lester-john-henry-and-the-state-of-the-red-sox-ownership.htm


This hysteria is showing no signs of settling down

guillensdisciple
10-17-2011, 10:06 PM
I have begun to think that Boston is the biggest drama city in the world. Wow, no sports team should get this much coverage this many weeks after the fact- seriously annoying.

This happens in Chicago you might have a week run.

DumpJerry
10-17-2011, 10:12 PM
I have begun to think that Boston is the biggest drama city in the world. Wow, no sports team should get this much coverage this many weeks after the fact- seriously annoying.

This happens in Chicago you might have a week run.
Yeah, that never happened anywhere else......http://avatarmaker.eu/free-avatars/avatars/sports_218/baseball_248/chicago_white_sox_logo_avatar_96x96_91107.gif

TheVulture
10-17-2011, 10:13 PM
Surprisingly, the writer fails to mention poor attendance inhibiting the Red Sox from being able to compete with playoff bound teams such as the Devil Rays.

Fenway
10-17-2011, 10:20 PM
I have begun to think that Boston is the biggest drama city in the world. Wow, no sports team should get this much coverage this many weeks after the fact- seriously annoying.

This happens in Chicago you might have a week run.

The Red Sox rule this town. This is not on the sports page, this is been on the front page and leading local news now for 3 weeks.

It drives the Patriots nuts.

guillensdisciple
10-17-2011, 10:24 PM
Yeah, that never happened anywhere else......http://avatarmaker.eu/free-avatars/avatars/sports_218/baseball_248/chicago_white_sox_logo_avatar_96x96_91107.gif


Come on man, not three weeks after the fact. I have not heard anything about Ozzie in three weeks and that's when he left.

guillensdisciple
10-17-2011, 10:26 PM
The Red Sox rule this town. This is not on the sports page, this is been on the front page and leading local news now for 3 weeks.

It drives the Patriots nuts.


Which is a shame considering how much the Patriots have done to put football on the map over there.

Ehh, nothing against it I just know that I would be going crazy over there if I had to read about this everyday.

DumpJerry
10-17-2011, 10:26 PM
Come on man, not three weeks after the fact. I have not heard anything about Ozzie in three weeks and that's when he left.
He was in Spain on vacation. He's back now. Go check out the Sun Times site (or the Cowley thread in the Roadhouse) and you'll see he still throwing bombs at the Sox......(not to mention the melodrama that surrounded him for the past two or so years).

TheVulture
10-17-2011, 10:35 PM
This happens in Chicago you might have a week run.

I don't know. The Sox "almost blew it" in 2005, and you've still got people bringing it up.

Fenway
10-18-2011, 01:52 AM
It goes on and on and on

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7116960/boston-red-sox-jon-lester-calls-clubhouse-backlash-witch-hunt

TheOldRoman
10-18-2011, 09:05 AM
Which is a shame considering how much the Patriots have done to put football on the map over there.Not really. It doesn't come close to making up for the media/ESPN orgasm over nearly meaningless football games while glossing over playoff baseball. *Cue up SI's "battle of the century" cover on an annual regular season Colts-Patriots game which bumped the Sox' championship from the cover.*

On that note, it was really, really dumb for baseball to move its World Series dates from a saturday start to a wednesday start. There will most likely be a game on a monday night, at which point the network which give the most people their sports news will devote only 5-10 min of the hour to the World Series so we can hear Trent ****ing Dilfer devoting 40 minutes to analyzing the Jacksonville Jaguars losing by three scores to the Ravens.

DirtySox
10-18-2011, 04:43 PM
Evidently Beckett, Lester, and Lackey would drink beer in the dugout during games as well.

http://www1.whdh.com/blogs/sports/posts/BO146701

Fenway
10-18-2011, 05:37 PM
Evidently Beckett, Lester, and Lackey would drink beer in the dugout during games as well.

http://www1.whdh.com/blogs/sports/posts/BO146701

Now Varitek speaks


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/varitek_red_sox.html

Lip Man 1
10-18-2011, 05:43 PM
Not sure if this goes in this thread or not. Mods feel free to change as you see fit:

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7120356/report-boston-red-sox-players-had-beer-dugout

Lip

Dibbs
10-18-2011, 05:44 PM
It worked so well for the White Sox and Red Sox this year, so maybe this beer drinking isn't such a bad idea after all.

Fenway
10-18-2011, 06:43 PM
Evidently Beckett, Lester, and Lackey would drink beer in the dugout during games as well.

http://www1.whdh.com/blogs/sports/posts/BO146701

Globe has confirmed the report


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/channel_7_sox_p.html?p1=News_links

voodoochile
10-18-2011, 07:05 PM
Not sure if this goes in this thread or not. Mods feel free to change as you see fit:

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7120356/report-boston-red-sox-players-had-beer-dugout

Lip

Yeah I moved it this is busting out here and the Sox thread is mostly dead.

thomas35forever
10-18-2011, 07:58 PM
C'mon, Jon. We all know it's true now.
@GordonEdes (http://twitter.com/#%21/GordonEdes) Gordon Edes
Lester calls report of Sox drinking in dugout "completely false"

Fenway
10-18-2011, 08:05 PM
C'mon, Jon. We all know it's true now.

Seriously - there are a lot of things going on the world more important than this, but you would never know that in this town.. :angry:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/298832_2415659343585_1014362077_32751009_348867859 _n.jpg

Fenway
10-19-2011, 02:36 AM
The Red Sox are all in agreement that there was no drinking in the dugout

:rolleyes:


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/red_sox_deny_re.html?p1=News_links

Fenway
10-19-2011, 10:54 AM
http://www.weei.com/sites/default/files/c-images/rumor.jpg

Fenway
10-23-2011, 05:50 PM
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/mlb_concerned_w.html?camp=localsearch:on:twit:hp

Fenway
10-24-2011, 09:54 AM
Only the Boston Globe could link the 2011 Red Sox with the 1919 Black Sox :?:

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/10/24/hotel_site_connects_red_sox_black_sox/?p1=Well_Sports_links

hi im skot
10-24-2011, 09:57 AM
Oh. People still care about this "story"?

thomas35forever
10-24-2011, 02:34 PM
Alcohol ban coming?
http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-10-23/mlb-to-consider-alcohol-ban-in-clubhouses-after-red-sox-revelations

Fenway
11-04-2011, 02:59 PM
This maybe the most damaging story yet.

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21152541/fired-sox-coach-page-4-players-fell-track


I have to say this all has a real ring of truth to it and may be one of the
best assessments of the situation the team was in that we have seen.

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2011/11/04/transcript-of-fired-sox-conditioning-coach-dave-page-on-mm-there-was-a-lot-of-grumbling-among-team/