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Fenway
09-29-2011, 01:27 AM
Who can bet against Tampa now?

WhiteSox5187
09-29-2011, 01:28 AM
I think Tampa is going to pull this off.

Nellie_Fox
09-29-2011, 01:31 AM
I think Tampa will have a let-down after the emotion of all this.

Mohoney
09-29-2011, 01:32 AM
Texas seems to be like all those really good Seattle teams that were deep 1-25 but lacked the makeup to win a short series.

They're built to be really good over the course of 162, but lack the top-end talent for 5 or 7 game series. The only guys that really scare you are Josh Hamilton and Michael Young, and considering the other 3 teams in the AL playoff field, I don't think it's enough.

HomeFish
09-29-2011, 01:33 AM
Tampa reminds me of the 2007 Rockies, who were basically unbeatable until they suddenly became very beatable indeed in the World Series.

That kind of 6-run outburst in the 8th inning is something I've seen from only two playoff teams in my lifetime: the 2002 Angels and the 2007 Rockies, both of whom could randomly explode for just a pile of runs.

DSpivack
09-29-2011, 01:35 AM
This one is close.

I'll hold off on a vote/prediction until I see the pitching matchups.

DSpivack
09-29-2011, 01:38 AM
Texas seems to be like all those really good Seattle teams that were deep 1-25 but lacked the makeup to win a short series.

They're built to be really good over the course of 162, but lack the top-end talent for 5 or 7 game series. The only guys that really scare you are Josh Hamilton and Michael Young, and considering the other 3 teams in the AL playoff field, I don't think it's enough.

I agree, but even moreso because I think they lack a real ace. I feel like any of their pitchers could be good or bad in the playoffs, but they lack what the rest of the AL has, in a Verlander, Sabathia, or Price. But, I think that all depends on what the pitching matchups are.

WhiteSox5187
09-29-2011, 01:39 AM
I think Tampa will have a let-down after the emotion of all this.

They might have a let down of emotion but unless they have a let down of pitching they will be hard to beat. In the last month Price has been the weak guy in their rotation.

doublem23
09-29-2011, 01:58 AM
They might have a let down of emotion but unless they have a let down of pitching they will be hard to beat. In the last month Price has been the weak guy in their rotation.

That is true but the Rangers are also the best offense in the AL. Break down is great pitching for Tampa vs. great offense for Texas and good pitching from Texas vs. horrible offense from Tampa

Rangers in 5

PKalltheway
09-29-2011, 02:10 AM
This rematch of last year will have the same result: Rangers in five. Tampa will fight hard again, but I believe they will eventually run out of gas.

aryzner
09-29-2011, 09:55 AM
Rays in 4. I like Price/Shields too much to see them losing this series.

SOXSINCE'70
09-29-2011, 01:22 PM
I voted for the Rangers,only because David Price clearly is hurting after taking that line drive off his chest a week or so ago.IF (and that's a big IF) healthy, the big 3 of Price,Shields and Hellickson could neutralize SOME of the Rangers' offense.Yes,some will say the Ragers' pitching depth does not extend beyond CJ Wilson,but their offense scares me.Especially with a healthy Nelson Cruz, Napoli hitting everything in sight,and the doubles machine known as Michael Young.

asindc
09-29-2011, 01:52 PM
I voted for the Rangers,only because David Price clearly is hurting after taking that line drive off his chest a week or so ago.IF (and that's a big IF) healthy, the big 3 of Price,Shields and Hellickson could neutralize SOME of the Rangers' offense.Yes,some will say the Ragers' pitching depth does not extend beyond CJ Wilson,but their offense scares me.Especially with a healthy Nelson Cruz, Napoli hitting everything in sight,and the doubles machine known as Michael Young.

You beat me to it. I should know: His performance last night dropped me from 2nd to 4th in my fantasy league.:mad:

I'm picking Texas in 4, because Price is probably still injured and only Shields among Tampa's pitchers is clearly superior to the Texas starters given Price's current condition.

downstairs
09-29-2011, 02:28 PM
Rays

Foulke You
09-29-2011, 03:35 PM
I think this will be a closely contested series but I have to give the starting pitching nod to the Rays which is why I think they'll take it in 5 games.

TheOldRoman
09-29-2011, 04:12 PM
That is true but the Rangers are also the best offense in the AL. Break down is great pitching for Tampa vs. great offense for Texas and good pitching from Texas vs. horrible offense from Tampa

Rangers in 5Great pitching beats great hitting more often than not. We saw it in 2005 when we went up against the vaunted roiders in Boston's lineup. We saw it last year when Texas ran into the Giants' pitching staff. The Giants might have the worst offense to ever win a championship, but they pushed across more runs against pretty-good pitching than the Rangers could against great pitching.

Rays in 4.

doublem23
09-29-2011, 04:38 PM
Great pitching beats great hitting more often than not. We saw it in 2005 when we went up against the vaunted roiders in Boston's lineup. We saw it last year when Texas ran into the Giants' pitching staff. The Giants might have the worst offense to ever win a championship, but they pushed across more runs against pretty-good pitching than the Rangers could against great pitching.

Rays in 4.

Meh, I don't buy that as much in the AL. Had the Red Sox not had a historic choke job it would have been something like the 4th or 5th year in a row that the top 4 offenses in the AL were the teams that made the playoffs, while pitching is routinely all over the place. Plus, the Rangers pitching staff is also very good. The gap between the team's offenses is enormous, between their pitching staffs? Not as much.

DirtySox
09-29-2011, 10:57 PM
Maddon starting Moore in game 1. Ballsy and awesome. Who knows how he'll fare, but starting the top pitching prospect in baseball after only having a brief taste as a late season call-up bears watching. Can't wait.

Bucky F. Dent
09-30-2011, 03:28 PM
The Rays tank is officially empty.

SOXPHILE
09-30-2011, 03:50 PM
I think that Rangers offense is WAY too powerful, and the Rays offense, despite the 8 run output Wednesday, a bit too meek. Rangers sweep.

harwar
09-30-2011, 05:13 PM
i think rays will pull it off .. i see that the red sox broadcaster Don Orsillo is doing the game .. that has to be hard for him

DirtySox
09-30-2011, 05:19 PM
You thought Matt Thornton threw an easy upper 90's. Watch Moore. Effortless. Like he's just playing toss.

DirtySox
09-30-2011, 05:31 PM
Go Rays go! Gimme a Brewers/Rays World Series.

thomas35forever
09-30-2011, 06:01 PM
Kelly Shoppach with a three-run homer to give the Rays a 6-0 lead.

DeadMoney
09-30-2011, 06:03 PM
The Rays tank is officially empty.

Yeahhh, about that... :redneck

thomas35forever
09-30-2011, 06:03 PM
Yeahhh, about that... :redneck
Plus, the Rangers already had their 'pen working.

DeadMoney
09-30-2011, 06:05 PM
This is my first time ever watching Moore pitch. I think I'm most impressed with his presence on the mound. He looks like he's in FULL control (much like how Cliff Lee always looks).

DirtySox
09-30-2011, 06:07 PM
This is my first time ever watching Moore pitch. I think I'm most impressed with his presence on the mound. He looks like he's in FULL control (much like how Cliff Lee always looks).

He didn't really emerge as an elite prospect until this year. He used to sit low-90's, but all of a sudden this year he's touching 98 to 99. It is seriously absurd that Tampa keeps churning out these front of the line pitchers. I thought we were in for a lull after Hellickson last season.

SoxSpeed22
09-30-2011, 06:09 PM
Pitching, defense and 3 run homers. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rays did the same thing the Rockies did in 2007.

DirtySox
09-30-2011, 06:09 PM
Pitching, defense and 3 run homers. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rays did the same thing the Rockies did in 2007.

I'd be okay with that. :cool:

PKalltheway
09-30-2011, 06:43 PM
Shoppach launched that one. C.J. Wilson just doesn't have it tonight. 8-0 Rays.

DirtySox
09-30-2011, 06:44 PM
Holy Moly, Kelly Shoppach.

DirtySox
09-30-2011, 07:29 PM
Moore just chewing up the Rangers. I want a pitching prospect like that.

PKalltheway
09-30-2011, 08:10 PM
Tampa rolls in Game 1, 9-0. The mighty Rangers offense was held to just two hits.

DirtySox
09-30-2011, 08:13 PM
Tampa rolls in Game 1, 9-0. The mighty Rangers offense was held to just two hits.

With that Tampa rotation, the trend might continue.

SOXPHILE
09-30-2011, 11:10 PM
I think that Rangers offense is WAY too powerful, and the Rays offense, despite the 8 run output Wednesday, a bit too meek. Rangers sweep.

Whoops!! So much for that theory. This looks like it's going to be a good series.

Nellie_Fox
10-01-2011, 01:34 AM
I think Tampa will have a let-down after the emotion of all this.Proof positive of the greatness of my baseball wisdom.

DirtySox
10-01-2011, 08:16 PM
Rays are doing it again. Timely hitting and excellent pitching.

Fenway
10-01-2011, 08:17 PM
Rays at it again....

Rangers record at home in playoffs is just awful.


BTW it is killing me to hear Orsillo's voice doing this game. :whiner:

palehozenychicty
10-01-2011, 09:03 PM
The Rangers have bounced back on Shields after a rough start. Shields had two wild pitches in the bottom of the 4th. 5-3 top of the 6th.

palehozenychicty
10-01-2011, 11:49 PM
Rangers survive tonight. These two teams get after one another. Entertaining series.

dwitt76
10-03-2011, 06:26 PM
Lot of empty seats in Tampa for game 3

DirtySox
10-03-2011, 06:44 PM
I love the Rays, but man watching games in this stadium is depressing. It's like playing ball in my unfinished basement.

thomas35forever
10-03-2011, 07:08 PM
Could be a turning point in the series if the Rangers win tonight.

DirtySox
10-03-2011, 07:12 PM
I'm conflicted. I want the Rays to win, but I want Dave Martinez signed ASAP.

And Mike Napoli is awesome. Reagins was a dope to trade him.

WhiteSox5187
10-03-2011, 07:20 PM
Could be a turning point in the series if the Rangers win tonight.

Oh it absolutely will be, the Rays are just struggling to get anything going offensively right now. The expression in their dugout when they gave up that home run made it seem like they were down by ten rather than two.

DirtySox
10-03-2011, 07:25 PM
That should do it.

DSpivack
10-03-2011, 08:16 PM
I'm conflicted. I want the Rays to win, but I want Dave Martinez signed ASAP.

And Mike Napoli is awesome. Reagins was a dope to trade him.

There's a reason why he no longer has a job.

DSpivack
10-03-2011, 08:36 PM
Rays wasting away some chances here late.

4-3 game and it's 3.5+ hours. Ugh.

DirtySox
10-03-2011, 08:39 PM
There's a reason why he no longer has a job.

It was such a baffling move to move him for Wells. Almost everyone declared it awful once it happened, and everyone was right. I suspect Scioscia's unfounded Mathis love had plenty to do with it as well.

palehozenychicty
10-04-2011, 12:27 AM
It was such a baffling move to move him for Wells. Almost everyone declared it awful once it happened, and everyone was right. I suspect Scioscia's unfounded Mathis love had plenty to do with it as well.

It is arguably the worst trade to complement the worst contract of the last ten years, in terms of production per cost. Wells seems like a decent chap, but damn, he can't play.

As for the series, would Tampa take Dunn for Martinez and we give them 50% coverage?

I kid, I kid.

:redneck

bridgeportcopper
10-04-2011, 12:30 AM
Lot of empty seats in Tampa for game 3

I referenced this to a friend earlier.....if the Bears had a home Monday night game and the Sox were playing a 1st round playoff game (not vs. Boston or NYY) I doubt we'd sell out. Gotta cut them some slack with the NFL going on.

PKalltheway
10-04-2011, 02:10 PM
Kinsler with an absolute roof-scraper! 1-0 Rangers in Game 4.

asindc
10-04-2011, 02:16 PM
I referenced this to a friend earlier.....if the Bears had a home Monday night game and the Sox were playing a 1st round playoff game (not vs. Boston or NYY) I doubt we'd sell out. Gotta cut them some slack with the NFL going on.

I doubt that the Sox would not sell out, given how seldom we make the playoffs.

Rocky Soprano
10-04-2011, 02:18 PM
I referenced this to a friend earlier.....if the Bears had a home Monday night game and the Sox were playing a 1st round playoff game (not vs. Boston or NYY) I doubt we'd sell out. Gotta cut them some slack with the NFL going on.

I don't think that is the case.

PKalltheway
10-04-2011, 02:27 PM
Adrian Beltre starts off the second inning with a homer to give Tampa a 2-0 lead. It's still early, but the Rangers have really taken the crowd out of it so far.

doublem23
10-04-2011, 02:29 PM
I doubt that the Sox would not sell out, given how seldom we make the playoffs.

Right. In a metro area of 9 million people, somehow, I'm sure the Bears and Sox could sell the <100,000 seats it would require to fill Soldier Field and US Cellular Field.

Also, let's not forget, it's not like Tampa Bay is exactly NFL crazy, either, the Bucs are having all kinds of problems selling out games.

Hitmen77
10-04-2011, 02:35 PM
I doubt that the Sox would not sell out, given how seldom we make the playoffs.

Agreed. The last 2 times the Sox were in the playoffs, ALDS tickets sold out within minutes of going on sale. The only way I see the Sox not selling out an ALDS game is if the team makes the playoffs several years in a row and it starts to become "routine".

DirtySox
10-04-2011, 02:43 PM
Napoli was trucked.

harwar
10-04-2011, 02:43 PM
that play at the plate was awesome .. now if hellickson can find his changeup

PKalltheway
10-04-2011, 03:30 PM
Matt Moore back in for the Rays, and promptly strikes out the first hitter he faces. Let's see if he can quiet Texas' bats right now.

PKalltheway
10-04-2011, 04:06 PM
Adrian Beltre just jacked his third homer of the game. Impressive! And off Matt Moore, no less. Texas could very well be on their way to the ALCS with that blast.

doublem23
10-04-2011, 04:40 PM
Adrian Beltre just jacked his third homer of the game. Impressive! And off Matt Moore, no less. Texas could very well be on their way to the ALCS with that blast.

Well you can never say never with this team the way they have fought back just to be here, but their offense is just so awful and it looks like they're getting Ogando in the 8th and Feliz in the 9th. I do not envy them.

harwar
10-04-2011, 05:14 PM
oh well,nice run rays .. congrats rangers .. now back to hoping for a brewers-tigers world series

PKalltheway
10-04-2011, 05:15 PM
Rangers win 4-3 and head to the ALCS. A great run by Tampa. I'll think twice before I count them out in the East next year.

kittle42
10-04-2011, 05:16 PM
Thanks for keeping Boston out - now if we could just get rid of these Yankees, too.

KenBerryGrab
10-04-2011, 05:16 PM
Just not enough pop on the Tampa side of the field.

TheOldRoman
10-04-2011, 05:22 PM
Still a great season from the Rays. With all they lost in the offseason, not too many people were picking them to do anything this year. People were even more down on the Rays after they got off to such a terrible start and had nobody who could hit until May. Last year's flameout was a dissapointment, but they can't be too dissapointed with this year's results in the playoffs. This team is only getting better.

TommyJohn
10-04-2011, 05:29 PM
Tampa is gone, but their valuable contribution to baseball history-knocking the Red Sox out-will never be forgotten! I can hear Ken Burns' high-pitched, nasal laments right now.

all*star quentin
10-04-2011, 05:33 PM
Maddon reminding me of Gardenhire in the postseason. :scratch:

DirtySox
10-04-2011, 05:42 PM
Time for the White and Red Sox to fight over Dave Martinez.

TheOldRoman
10-04-2011, 05:44 PM
Maddon reminding me of Gardenhire in the postseason. :scratch:The Rays have won two out of five playoff series. The Twins have won two games out of their last five playoff series. No comparison.

Nellie_Fox
10-04-2011, 05:49 PM
Time for the White and Red Sox to fight over Dave Martinez.If that comes to pass, the White Sox will lose. They simply don't have the checkbook balance to compete.

DirtySox
10-04-2011, 05:53 PM
If that comes to pass, the White Sox will lose. They simply don't have the checkbook balance to compete.

I'm hoping the Sawx drag their feet with whatever is going to happen with Theo, and the Sox nab him quickly. Martinez undoubtedly will have multiple suitors.

Hitmen77
10-04-2011, 05:56 PM
Who can bet against Tampa now?

What's that you say? :tongue:

That's okay, I voted for the Rays in this poll too.

samurai_sox
10-04-2011, 09:19 PM
Time for the White and Red Sox to fight over Dave Martinez.

Why would Boston want Martinez they are most likely looking for a big name manager.

DirtySox
10-04-2011, 09:20 PM
Why would Boston want Martinez they are most likely looking for a big name manager.

Because almost everyone around baseball thinks highly of him. He's being considered.

amsteel
10-05-2011, 12:34 AM
7K unsold tickets for today's game. I know it's beating a long dead horse, but god damn, Tampa is a terrible place for pro sports.

Fenway
10-05-2011, 01:07 PM
7K unsold tickets for today's game. I know it's beating a long dead horse, but god damn, Tampa is a terrible place for pro sports.

Tampa owner waves :whiteflag:

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/article1195248.ece

SOXSINCE'70
10-05-2011, 05:18 PM
Tampa owner waves :whiteflag:

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/article1195248.ece

:reinsy

"I like the cut of his jib.Got to agree.Everyone knows the White Sox are a small market team."

Fenway
10-05-2011, 11:07 PM
The scary part of the overall Tampa numbers is the TV ratings for this year - down 35%.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/rays/tampa-bay-rays-success-and-maybe-the-franchise-wont-last-with-status-quo/1195459

palehozenychicty
10-05-2011, 11:56 PM
I think the Rangers are going back to the Series. They are quietly building themselves into a juggernaut. Nobody is talking about them, and it is a good thing.

Fenway
10-06-2011, 01:02 PM
The Rays attendance problems keep simmering

http://www2.tbo.com/news/rays/2011/oct/06/5/sternberg-could-have-waited-to-air-criticism-ar-263139/