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doublem23
09-26-2011, 10:57 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=130584

Continued...

CLR01
09-26-2011, 10:58 PM
Still gone

Rocky Soprano
09-26-2011, 10:58 PM
Still gone!

Still happy!

GoGoCrede
09-26-2011, 10:59 PM
If Oney falls off the face of the earth tomorrow and we never hear from him again, it'll be too soon. There's one undoubtedly positive thing about the end of the Guillen era.

SOXandILLINI
09-26-2011, 10:59 PM
Wish KW was right behind him... Buh bye Ozzie, I won't miss u.

samurai_sox
09-26-2011, 11:00 PM
Ozzie was Kenny's shield,

if the Sox tank next year then there will be no one left to blame but Kenny and hopefully he'll be shown the door.

ZombieRob
09-26-2011, 11:01 PM
Ozzie was Kenny's shield,

if the Sox tank next year then there will be no one left to blame but Kenny and hopefully he'll be shown the door.
If the Sox improve and still miss the playoffs, then what?

WhiteSox1989
09-26-2011, 11:02 PM
If Oney falls off the face of the earth tomorrow and we never hear from him again, it'll be too soon. There's one undoubtedly positive thing about the end of the Guillen era.

http://www.nmbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/facebook_like_icon.jpg

DeadMoney
09-26-2011, 11:03 PM
If the Sox improve and still miss the playoffs, then what?

Then we're going to lose Rick Hahn forever (if we don't lose him before then anyway).

RockJock07
09-26-2011, 11:03 PM
KW has his work cut out for him next year, need a home run hire.

Fenway
09-26-2011, 11:04 PM
Ozzie is replacing the guy (Jack McKeon) who traded him to the White Sox in 1984

Mohoney
09-26-2011, 11:04 PM
Is 52 months a record for a bump?

samurai_sox
09-26-2011, 11:05 PM
If the Sox improve and still miss the playoffs, then what?

I would still want Kenny gone regardless, the state of the minor league system and bringing in Rios/Dunn/Peavy is on him.

ZombieRob
09-26-2011, 11:06 PM
Then we're going to lose Rick Hahn forever (if we don't lose him before then anyway).
Call me naive which I am when it comes to Rick Hahn, but what is his claim to fame to be this golden boy and sought after guy? I really don't know much about his resume.

NardiWasHere
09-26-2011, 11:06 PM
Ozzie's gone. We heard Big Frank drop a "no doubt".

What a great night.

Rocky Soprano
09-26-2011, 11:06 PM
When is Ozzie's "The Decision" ESPN show scheduled for?
Next spring I am taking my kids to South Beach...

CLR01
09-26-2011, 11:08 PM
Is 52 months a record for a bump?

I don't know but this is not going to happen again. Next person to bump a thread is going to get a ban that matches the length between the bump and the previous post. There are plenty of current threads to celebrate this joyous news.

Tragg
09-26-2011, 11:10 PM
Ken Williams was just respectful; the one bit of info is that he basically said that he knows who he wants for manager.

Viva Medias B's
09-26-2011, 11:10 PM
One thing I hope we do not see is a bunch of Sox fans becoming Marlins fans the same way some Bears fans became Saints fans after Ditka went down there.

CLR01
09-26-2011, 11:11 PM
One thing I hope we do not see is a bunch of Sox fans becoming Marlins fans the same way some Bears fans became Saints fans after Ditka went down there.

A couple of people are already ordering their jerseys.

GoGoCrede
09-26-2011, 11:12 PM
I don't know but this is not going to happen again. Next person to bump a thread is going to get a ban that matches the length between the bump and the previous post. There are plenty of current threads to celebrate this joyous news.

How old was the thread? I missed it.

CLR01
09-26-2011, 11:13 PM
How old was the thread? I missed it.

Last post was 2007.

stevied23
09-26-2011, 11:13 PM
The fact is....Ozzie brought a World Series here. That's something I'll never forget. But the bigger fact remains, that he was more concerned with making outlandish statements while mismanaging key aspects to important baseball games. Pair that with the fact his kids can't keep their damn mouths shut....I say thank you but good riddance.

hi im skot
09-26-2011, 11:17 PM
Konerko seems relieved.

NardiWasHere
09-26-2011, 11:17 PM
I wonder what the timeline is for getting the next guy announced.

NardiWasHere
09-26-2011, 11:18 PM
Konerko seems relieved.

I picked up on that too.

DirtySox
09-26-2011, 11:18 PM
Evidently Paulie expressed relief that the Kenny/Ozzie situation is finally over and done with. Stated that the regime had clearly run its course.

DeadMoney
09-26-2011, 11:20 PM
Call me naive which I am when it comes to Rick Hahn, but what is his claim to fame to be this golden boy and sought after guy? I really don't know much about his resume.

SI rated him the #1 candidate for a GM job this summer. He's somewhat of a stats guy with a Law degree from Harvard. Been our main contract negotiator for a while now. Seen as a really bright guy and wants to be a GM (and apparently even has an out clause in his contract to interview for the Cubs GM job, if the opportunity came about).

DirtySox
09-26-2011, 11:21 PM
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Sources confirming Cora expected to join Ozzie with #Marlins, Cooper stay with #WhiteSox as pitching coach.
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SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
this is a great opportunity for the #marlins to hire top-ranked video technician oney guillen. hear hes available too
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SOXandILLINI
09-26-2011, 11:23 PM
Still happy!

very happy day. KW needs to be next, probably after a miserable 2012 season. Too bad we had to suffer through this debacle.

Tragg
09-26-2011, 11:23 PM
I'm listening to Rogney for the first time. He is kind of a house-horse, but he's articulate. Not bad. I've heard far far worse.

CLR01
09-26-2011, 11:27 PM
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Sources confirming Cora expected to join Ozzie with #Marlins, Cooper stay with #WhiteSox as pitching coach.
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SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
this is a great opportunity for the #marlins to hire top-ranked video technician oney guillen. hear hes available too
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Winning!

A. Cavatica
09-26-2011, 11:27 PM
o v e r j o y e d !

Two people who drew salaries and contributed nothing are gone from the organization.

My guess is KW has one year to turn it around, or he's gone, too.

Dan H
09-26-2011, 11:27 PM
Evidently Paulie expressed relief that the Kenny/Ozzie situation is finally over and done with. Stated that the regime had clearly run its course.

Konerko said more than once Ozzie was burned out. No doubt that was true. 8 years is a long time for a manager. I feel for anyone who has leaves an organization after that period of time, but the change was needed. For the White Sox, the team's fans and for Guillen.

slavko
09-26-2011, 11:29 PM
When is Ozzie's "The Decision" ESPN show scheduled for?
Next spring I am taking my kids to South Beach...

Finally, a laugh in this monster thread.:D:

Evidently Paulie expressed relief that the Kenny/Ozzie situation is finally over and done with. Stated that the regime had clearly run its course.

He's earned the right to say it and I respect him. Ozzie bailed on this team in mid-season and he has overstayed his welcome.

To whoever called Kenny the normal, level-headed one in the first thread:The guy tried to fire the hitting coach on the spot in a moment of anger for personal reasons and had to be restrained by the "owner." Not that he shouldn't be fired for other reasons, but you don't run a business that way. At least I wouldn't.

samurai_sox
09-26-2011, 11:30 PM
Kenny is still here but how much longer is the question.

But now that Ozzie and Walker are gone it feels like the healing process can finally begin.

hi im skot
09-26-2011, 11:35 PM
Hawk is fired up right now.

Corlose 15
09-26-2011, 11:36 PM
Has any more information come out about Ozzie negotiating with the Marlins during the season?

Rocky Soprano
09-26-2011, 11:36 PM
Hawk is fired up right now.

What is he saying?

DSpivack
09-26-2011, 11:37 PM
Hawk is fired up right now.

He's really optimistic! (And his employer doesn't even have to tell him to be!)

hi im skot
09-26-2011, 11:38 PM
What is he saying?

He's said "hell" more times than I can count.

Oh, and Adam Dunn told him he's going to win the Comeback Player of the Year award next season.

Aesero
09-26-2011, 11:39 PM
Oh, and Adam Dunn told him he's going to win the Comeback Player of the Year award next season.

.210 25 homeruns?

Mohoney
09-26-2011, 11:40 PM
Hawk is fired up right now.

And making an ass of himself to boot.

DickAllen72
09-26-2011, 11:41 PM
What is he saying?
He said Ozzie changed over the past few years. Also that Ozzie became a distraction when he asked for an extension just as the Sox won five in a row to get back into the race against the Tigers. Said Ozzie made a mistake by giving JR an ultimatum.

DeadMoney
09-26-2011, 11:42 PM
He's said "hell" more times than I can count.

Oh, and Adam Dunn told him he's going to win the Comeback Player of the Year award next season.

1. Good, because it's time for us ALL to finally be excited about this team again. This season has been a drag.

2. If he's so excited, I guess that means TLR won't be coming to the Sox. :redneck

3. I'll reserve my judgement on that statement by Adam Dunn until this date, 2012.

CLR01
09-26-2011, 11:42 PM
And making an ass of himself to boot.


So being himself?

GoGoCrede
09-26-2011, 11:43 PM
So being himself?

I was thinking the same thing but felt bad about it and wanted to be polite. :tongue:

A. Cavatica
09-26-2011, 11:44 PM
.210 25 homeruns?

Well played!

CLR01
09-26-2011, 11:45 PM
I was thinking the same thing but felt bad about it and wanted to be polite. :tongue:


I tried to be nice but I failed.

DSpivack
09-26-2011, 11:45 PM
1. Good, because it's time for us ALL to finally be excited about this team again. This season has been a drag.

2. If he's so excited, I guess that means TLR won't be coming to the Sox. :redneck

3. I'll reserve my judgement on that statement by Adam Dunn until this date, 2012.

That would have been an upside about TLR coming here that I did not think of. Maybe the only upside, but not an insignificant one.

NardiWasHere
09-26-2011, 11:49 PM
What's with the weird timing of the decision? Why not wait till the end of the season.

Has anyone explained this?

CLR01
09-26-2011, 11:51 PM
What's with the weird timing of the decision? Why not wait till the end of the season.

Has anyone explained this?


No. But since there is no downside to letting him go now or upside to keeping him for two days why not just do it now? Plus it gives him the chance to have everything settled before his big trip.

DSpivack
09-26-2011, 11:58 PM
No. But since there is no downside to letting him go now or upside to keeping him for two days why not just do it now? Plus it gives him the chance to have everything settled before his big trip.

Also these two games are pretty meaningless, the season been effectively over for awhile now.

WhiteSox5187
09-27-2011, 12:09 AM
I am sure that I am in the minority here but I think that Ozzie is actually a good manager and could do a pretty good job in Florida and has done a good job here in the past but he has clearly worn out his welcome. This has been by far his worst year as a manager and I think he pretty much checked out in the middle of May which is too bad. But I think that Ozzie is only half of the problem. Kenny has been a big as a problem as Ozzie, I don't think he should be brought back either.

SoxSpeed22
09-27-2011, 12:10 AM
Ozzie wanted an answer and he got one. None of us are really surprised about this though. I think he was a good manager until he let all of this drama change the way he managed. Sure, there were many good things he did, but his time here ended pretty badly. I can also get used to life without Oney.

October26
09-27-2011, 12:18 AM
I am sure that I am in the minority here but I think that Ozzie is actually a good manager and could do a pretty good job in Florida and has done a good job here in the past but he has clearly worn out his welcome. This has been by far his worst year as a manager and I think he pretty much checked out in the middle of May which is too bad. But I think that Ozzie is only half of the problem. Kenny has been a big as a problem as Ozzie, I don't think he should be brought back either.

I agree with you. Ozzie and Kenny are both responsible for the current sad state of the Sox franchise.

Dibbs
09-27-2011, 12:19 AM
What was Frank referring to when he said "no doubt about it"? I didn't hear the interview.

Tragg
09-27-2011, 12:26 AM
Juan Pierre will have a job next year. Probably good news for DeWayne Wise too.

DSpivack
09-27-2011, 01:03 AM
What was Frank referring to when he said "no doubt about it"? I didn't hear the interview.

He was asked if he would be interested in being hitting coach if that position became available.

doublem23
09-27-2011, 01:08 AM
Juan Pierre will have a job next year. Probably good news for DeWayne Wise too.

What makes this post terrific is that the Marlins are completely stocked with young, exciting outfielders and yet I can definitely see Pierre and Wise ending up on their 25-man roster come Opening Day.

:rolling:

DirtySox
09-27-2011, 01:13 AM
JesseSanchezMLB Jesse Sanchez
by ESPNChiSox
A source told MLB.com that the compensation is expected to be infielder Osvaldo Martinez and a Minor Leaguer pitcher for Ozzie Guillen.
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CWSpalehoseCWS
09-27-2011, 01:20 AM
JesseSanchezMLB Jesse Sanchez
by ESPNChiSox
A source told MLB.com that the compensation is expected to be infielder Osvaldo Martinez and a Minor Leaguer pitcher for Ozzie Guillen.
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No clue on this guy's value, but a quick glance doesn't look too hot, at least based on this years stats.

In Triple A:
339 AB
.245 AVG
.296 OBP
.322 SLG
3 HR
21 BB / 57 K's
11/15 SB

Edit: Looks like he's durable too. He survived 3 gunshot wounds. Wow.

SoxSpeed22
09-27-2011, 01:30 AM
Martinez got shot 3 times in Puerto Rico when he was 21. His calling card is good defense, but his offense isn't great. He is only 23 though.

DSpivack
09-27-2011, 01:33 AM
No clue on this guy's value, but a quick glance doesn't look too hot, at least based on this years stats.

In Triple A:
339 AB
.245 AVG
.296 OBP
.322 SLG
3 HR
21 BB / 57 K's
11/15 SB

Edit: Looks like he's durable too. He survived 3 gunshot wounds. Wow.

He's a shortstop named Osvaldo!

soxnut1018
09-27-2011, 02:22 AM
He's a shortstop named Osvaldo!

And apparently, he's Chicago Tough too!

greyshark
09-27-2011, 02:33 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cbsports-guillens-blog-jumps-the-gun-20110926,0,2121034.story

Holy crap - does this mean the Marlins were in contact with Ozzie before he was released? I wonder (if true) if the Sox will file tampering charges on the Marlins.

russ99
09-27-2011, 07:17 AM
What makes this post terrific is that the Marlins are completely stocked with young, exciting outfielders and yet I can definitely see Pierre and Wise ending up on their 25-man roster come Opening Day.

:rolling:


Yeah right.

So glad the blame for the Sox roster will now finally be solely on the person responsible for it the last 8 years.

skobabe8
09-27-2011, 07:46 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cbsports-guillens-blog-jumps-the-gun-20110926,0,2121034.story

Holy crap - does this mean the Marlins were in contact with Ozzie before he was released? I wonder (if true) if the Sox will file tampering charges on the Marlins.

Thats why there will be compensation with them and no other teams.

tstrike2000
09-27-2011, 07:59 AM
Konerko seems relieved.

By his comments, he sounds like he is. Basically he said that Ozzie leaving was inevitable, but he expected it after the season, not an announcement at 6:00 p.m. on Monday.

October26
09-27-2011, 08:00 AM
So glad the blame for the Sox roster will now finally be solely on the person responsible for it the last 8 years.

:thumbsup::thumbsup: Absolutely. There is nowhere for KW to hide now.

asindc
09-27-2011, 08:13 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cbsports-guillens-blog-jumps-the-gun-20110926,0,2121034.story

Holy crap - does this mean the Marlins were in contact with Ozzie before he was released? I wonder (if true) if the Sox will file tampering charges on the Marlins.

I seriously doubt the Sox file tampering charges. My sense (only a guess here, of course) is that JR just wants to move on and allow Ozzie to do so as well. I believe the Marlins have been having private discussions with Ozzie, but I also believe the Sox surmised as much as well.

doublem23
09-27-2011, 08:25 AM
Yeah right.

So glad the blame for the Sox roster will now finally be solely on the person responsible for it the last 8 years.

Oh, I get it, when people bash Ozzie, he's the only one responsible for the World Series in 2005, but Kenny, he's the only one responsible for the mess the team is in right now.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
09-27-2011, 08:26 AM
So now that Ozzie is out, I'm going to assume that means the Sox stop selling the "Ozzie Plan" season-ticket option.

So what do they do to replace that? Add a game to it and make it the "Paulie Plan"?

Just a random thing I was wondering about.

Oh, I get it, when people bash Ozzie, he's the only one responsible for the World Series in 2005, but Kenny, he's the only one responsible for the mess the team is in right now.

Thank you, Doub. This mess is on both of them, just as both were equally responsible for bringing that tall metal pointy-flag thingy that looks important to the South Side in 2005.

Rocky Soprano
09-27-2011, 09:04 AM
Yeah right.

So glad the blame for the Sox roster will now finally be solely on the person responsible for it the last 8 years.

So glad the blame for the Sox sucking is now finally gone.
See what I did there?
:bandance:

hi im skot
09-27-2011, 09:06 AM
Yeah right.

So glad the blame for the Sox roster will now finally be solely on the person responsible for it the last 8 years.

Keep beating that drum, russ.

Hitmen77
09-27-2011, 09:34 AM
Yeah right.

So glad the blame for the Sox roster will now finally be solely on the person responsible for it the last 8 years.

The same roster that you thought would win 92 games this year? :scratch:

Oh, I get it, when people bash Ozzie, he's the only one responsible for the World Series in 2005, but Kenny, he's the only one responsible for the mess the team is in right now.

:clap:

kittle42
09-27-2011, 10:55 AM
Yeah right.

So glad the blame for the Sox roster will now finally be solely on the person responsible for it the last 8 years.

Are you and munch meeting to reminisce about the good times today?

ilsox7
09-27-2011, 10:59 AM
Are you and munch meeting to reminisce about the good times today?

They'll sing the songs that remind them of the good times. They'll sing the songs that remind them of the best times. Don't cry for them.

CHISOXFAN13
09-27-2011, 11:06 AM
Are you and munch meeting to reminisce about the good times today?

Maybe sullythered can join them.

Frontman
09-27-2011, 11:10 AM
Part of me is sad to see him go, part of me is glad for the change. Now, Kenny is on the hot seat to provide the next incoming manager enough talent to remain competitive.

Thanks for 2005 Ozzie; and thanks for all the entertainment in the other years.

soltrain21
09-27-2011, 11:20 AM
ďI work in this job for money. I donít work for nothing. Money. Thatís it. The ring? [Bleep] the ring. I donít even wear my [bleeping] rings. I donít.íí

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7896268-419/ozzie-guillen-asks-out-so-he-could-buy-my-bleeping-boat.html

Did I miss this somewhere? Sounds like a complete ****ing jagoff.

skobabe8
09-27-2011, 11:23 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7896268-419/ozzie-guillen-asks-out-so-he-could-buy-my-bleeping-boat.html

Did I miss this somewhere? Sounds like a complete ****ing jagoff.

Cowley defended it.

wassagstdu
09-27-2011, 11:32 AM
In the immortal words of Luis Aparicio (spoken when he was traded to Baltimore before the 1963 season, after he demanded a trade because the Sox cut his salary) "The White Sox will not win another pennant for 40 years."

Aparicio was wrong -- it took 43 years. He, of course, won the World Series with the Orioles in 1966.

So here is my prediction: The White Sox will not win another pennant for 40 years. Things look a lot bleaker to me than they did in 1963. A major league roster that is not competitive, no talent in the minors, and no money to buy their way out of the hole.

NardiWasHere
09-27-2011, 11:35 AM
Cowley defended it.

I caught some of Cowley on Mac and Spiegel. He's embarrassing.

soltrain21
09-27-2011, 11:35 AM
In the immortal words of Luis Aparicio (spoken when he was traded to Baltimore before the 1963 season, after he demanded a trade because the Sox cut his salary) "The White Sox will not win another pennant for 40 years."

Aparicio was wrong -- it took 43 years. He, of course, won the World Series with the Orioles in 1966.

So here is my prediction: The White Sox will not win another pennant for 40 years. Things look a lot bleaker to me than they did in 1963. A major league roster that is not competitive, no talent in the minors, and no money to buy their way out of the hole.

Because they let Ozzie Guillen go?

Rocky Soprano
09-27-2011, 11:37 AM
Oney Guillen is saying that he plans on deleting his twitter account. He says it is his choice and there is no better way to go out.

Ozzie quits and Oney quits twitter, what an amazing week.

NardiWasHere
09-27-2011, 11:38 AM
In the immortal words of Luis Aparicio (spoken when he was traded to Baltimore before the 1963 season, after he demanded a trade because the Sox cut his salary) "The White Sox will not win another pennant for 40 years."

Aparicio was wrong -- it took 43 years. He, of course, won the World Series with the Orioles in 1966.

So here is my prediction: The White Sox will not win another pennant for 40 years. Things look a lot bleaker to me than they did in 1963. A major league roster that is not competitive, no talent in the minors, and no money to buy their way out of the hole.


The Sox will not win another pennant for 40 years because Ozzie Guillen was allowed to leave?

That's reasonable.

Rocky Soprano
09-27-2011, 11:40 AM
In the immortal words of Luis Aparicio (spoken when he was traded to Baltimore before the 1963 season, after he demanded a trade because the Sox cut his salary) "The White Sox will not win another pennant for 40 years."

Aparicio was wrong -- it took 43 years. He, of course, won the World Series with the Orioles in 1966.

So here is my prediction: The White Sox will not win another pennant for 40 years. Things look a lot bleaker to me than they did in 1963. A major league roster that is not competitive, no talent in the minors, and no money to buy their way out of the hole.

It is sad to see that there are fans out there that are wishing the Sox to suck just so they can point at Ozzie getting fired as the reason.

russ99
09-27-2011, 11:41 AM
Are you and munch meeting to reminisce about the good times today?

The same roster that you thought would win 92 games this year? :scratch:
:clap:

Can we please stop this bullcrap once and for all? We're all Sox fans here.

And as for my post - did Ozzie make ANY personnel decisions, other than that dog and pony show at Sox fest? No.

The GM signed DeWayne Wise. The GM signed Juan Pierre. The GM is making the roster moves this winter.

Rocky Soprano
09-27-2011, 11:48 AM
Can we please stop this bullcrap once and for all?

We're all Sox fans here.

You are right, we're all Sox fans.
But if you can dish it, you should take it.

You crap all over the team yet you expected big things from the team but hate when people point the hypocrisy in your arguments. If you don't want people to call you out on it then find some new material.

Hitmen77
09-27-2011, 11:52 AM
I hope all you who don't like an outspoken manager get exactly what you deserve with our next manager, surely to be someone who's bland, says nothing but the same old tired cliche's and is an organization mouthpiece.


Can we please stop this bullcrap once and for all? We're all Sox fans here.


Oh, the irony.

SOXandILLINI
09-27-2011, 11:54 AM
Cowley defended it.

Water is wet

Hitmen77
09-27-2011, 11:55 AM
And as for my post - did Ozzie make ANY personnel decisions, other than that dog and pony show at Sox fest? No.

The GM signed DeWayne Wise. The GM signed Juan Pierre. The GM is making the roster moves this winter.

So? You still thought it was a damn good roster.

Also, DeWayne Wise was not on the White Sox roster in 2011.

You are right, we're all Sox fans.
But if you can dish it, you should take it.

You crap all over the team yet you expected big things from the team but hate when people point the hypocrisy in your arguments. If you don't want people to call you out on it then find some new material.

Well said!

VenturaFan23
09-27-2011, 11:55 AM
I caught some of Cowley on Mac and Spiegel. He's embarrassing.

Heard it too. I wish Ozzie could take him with to Miami. What an assclown.

GoGoCrede
09-27-2011, 11:57 AM
Oney Guillen is saying that he plans on deleting his twitter account. He says it is his choice and there is no better way to go out.

Ozzie quits and Oney quits twitter, what an amazing week.

Not fair, why shouldn't the Marlins be subjected to the same **** from their sons that we were? :tongue:

VMSNS
09-27-2011, 11:59 AM
Cowley defended it.

I heard him on the radio this morning with Mully and Hanley on the way to work. What a tool. The fact that he actually defended Ozzie's "I just want money. **** Jerry. **** the ring. I deserve an extension" bull**** rhetoric is nothing but pure insanity. He kept saying how Ozzie felt hurt that Jerry "chose" Kenny over Ozzie, and that Ozzie's harsh words are just a defense mechanism and that he doesn't really feel that way. He also managed to take shots at Kenny at every possible moment, saying that it's unprofessional of Kenny to start compiling a list of managers before Ozzie was even let go (and conveniently leaving out the fact that Ozzie was supposedly talking with Florida behind closed doors for a while now, and how it's Kenny's JOB to have a plan).

Cowley is nothing but a complete ****ing moron. Now that Ozzie is gone, Cowley is officially the most irrelevant reporter in Chicago.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 12:07 PM
Maybe sullythered can join them.

Since I'm being included, I still haven't heard why (in a situation where it was one or the other), keeping Kenny Williams was the right decision. Ozzie said some funny off the wall stuff, and occasionally made an odd bullpen decision. Kenny made several moves that have stagnated any possible youth movement while hanging us with enormous unmovable multi-year contracts. The Sox have a reasonable replacement for Williams with the team right now.

Everybody seems to agree it had to be Ozzie or Kenny to go, and the mistakes of Williams seem so much more glaring and franchise-crushing than Ozzie, I just don't understand how anyone could pick that guy's side. I know Ozzie is more unconventional, but he has done a better job than the GM has.

And I don't want to hear the "Oh Ozzie left on his own" nonsense. Everybody knew he and Kenny couldn't work together anymore, and it had been reported that way for a year. It was a "him or me" situation, and we picked the wrong guy.

Also, we're probably done retaining our own free agents for a hometown discount. That was something that started happening with Ozzie. Probably done now. Only bright side of that is it might force Kenny to look a little closer at his abysmal drafting philosophy.

skobabe8
09-27-2011, 12:08 PM
I heard him on the radio this morning with Mully and Hanley on the way to work. What a tool. The fact that he actually defended Ozzie's "I just want money. **** Jerry. **** the ring. I deserve an extension" bull**** rhetoric is nothing but pure insanity. He kept saying how Ozzie felt hurt that Jerry "chose" Kenny over Ozzie, and that Ozzie's harsh words are just a defense mechanism and that he doesn't really feel that way. He also managed to take shots at Kenny at every possible moment, saying that it's unprofessional of Kenny to start compiling a list of managers before Ozzie was even let go (and conveniently leaving out the fact that Ozzie was supposedly talking with Florida behind closed doors for a while now, and how it's Kenny's JOB to have a plan).

Cowley is nothing but a complete ****ing moron. Now that Ozzie is gone, Cowley is officially the most irrelevant reporter in Chicago.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for him to answer a critical question about Ozzie without bringing up something Kenny did. It's really entertaining, in a 'what a douchebag' kind of way.

doublem23
09-27-2011, 12:09 PM
Also, we're probably done retaining our own free agents for a hometown discount. That was something that started happening with Ozzie. Probably done now. Only bright side of that is it might force Kenny to look a little closer at his abysmal drafting philosophy.

Oh please, for every player that loved Ozzie and loved to play here, there were just as many that left here with a sour taste in their mouth... Basically, Ozzie was just like every other manager in baseball, some guys like him, some don't. I'm sure the Sox will find someone who will connect with some of the guys, and if they don't, well, it's not like our roster couldn't use an overhaul, anyways.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 12:11 PM
I heard him on the radio this morning with Mully and Hanley on the way to work. What a tool. The fact that he actually defended Ozzie's "I just want money. **** Jerry. **** the ring. I deserve an extension" bull**** rhetoric is nothing but pure insanity. He kept saying how Ozzie felt hurt that Jerry "chose" Kenny over Ozzie, and that Ozzie's harsh words are just a defense mechanism and that he doesn't really feel that way. He also managed to take shots at Kenny at every possible moment, saying that it's unprofessional of Kenny to start compiling a list of managers before Ozzie was even let go (and conveniently leaving out the fact that Ozzie was supposedly talking with Florida behind closed doors for a while now, and how it's Kenny's JOB to have a plan).

Cowley is nothing but a complete ****ing moron. Now that Ozzie is gone, Cowley is officially the most irrelevant reporter in Chicago.
I'm not a Cowley guy, but anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of human behavior or the situation or the recent history here could see that Cowley is exactly right here. Of course it's a defense mechanism. The guy was hurt and sad and was trying his best not to get emotional. Anyone who doesn't think Ozzie cares about JR, or winning, or his players hasn't been paying any attention for about a decade.

dickallen15
09-27-2011, 12:13 PM
I heard him on the radio this morning with Mully and Hanley on the way to work. What a tool. The fact that he actually defended Ozzie's "I just want money. **** Jerry. **** the ring. I deserve an extension" bull**** rhetoric is nothing but pure insanity. He kept saying how Ozzie felt hurt that Jerry "chose" Kenny over Ozzie, and that Ozzie's harsh words are just a defense mechanism and that he doesn't really feel that way. He also managed to take shots at Kenny at every possible moment, saying that it's unprofessional of Kenny to start compiling a list of managers before Ozzie was even let go (and conveniently leaving out the fact that Ozzie was supposedly talking with Florida behind closed doors for a while now, and how it's Kenny's JOB to have a plan).

Cowley is nothing but a complete ****ing moron. Now that Ozzie is gone, Cowley is officially the most irrelevant reporter in Chicago.

Exactly. Especially with how many times Ozzie has either threatened to quit or said he was close. If KW didn't have a very short list, he wouldn't be doing his job, but then again Cowley likes ripping people all the time, likes calling people on message boards "guys living in their parents' basement' but he's a 40 something guy who spends half his time on the internet bragging about how good he is at a video game.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 12:14 PM
Oh please, for every player that loved Ozzie and loved to play here, there were just as many that left here with a sour taste in their mouth... Basically, Ozzie was just like every other manager in baseball, some guys like him, some don't. I'm sure the Sox will find someone who will connect with some of the guys, and if they don't, well, it's not like our roster couldn't use an overhaul, anyways.

I can't think of a single player who I really wanted to keep who the Sox lost in Ozzie's tenure. And guys like Paulie, MB, and AJ all took less money to stay, Konerko doing it twice. That is not common thing in Sox history, at least in my lifetime. The "sour taste guys" are who? Bobby ****ing Jenks? Magglio when we thought he was crippled? Please.

dickallen15
09-27-2011, 12:15 PM
They must have a poll in Miami, who gets more rings, the big 3 or the Marlins now that they will have the greatest manager who has ever lived.

NardiWasHere
09-27-2011, 12:22 PM
I'm not a Cowley guy, but anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of human behavior or the situation or the recent history here could see that Cowley is exactly right here. Of course it's a defense mechanism. The guy was hurt and sad and was trying his best not to get emotional. Anyone who doesn't think Ozzie cares about JR, or winning, or his players hasn't been paying any attention for about a decade.

Bull ****.

I can't think of a single player who I really wanted to keep who the Sox lost in Ozzie's tenure. And guys like Paulie, MB, and AJ all took less money to stay, Konerko doing it twice. That is not common thing in Sox history, at least in my lifetime. The "sour taste guys" are who? Bobby ****ing Jenks? Magglio when we thought he was crippled? Please.

I just want to make sure.... you think that 30 year old men make decisions concerning millions of dollars that affect their family solely because they kinda like Ozzie Guillen?

slavko
09-27-2011, 12:23 PM
Can we please stop this bullcrap once and for all? We're all Sox fans here.

And as for my post - did Ozzie make ANY personnel decisions, other than that dog and pony show at Sox fest? No.

The GM signed DeWayne Wise. The GM signed Juan Pierre. The GM is making the roster moves this winter.

Got rid of Thome in favor of a committee of bad, fired Shines, Raines, demoted Baines. Thanks for asking.

Twin Killing
09-27-2011, 12:26 PM
Also, we're probably done retaining our own free agents for a hometown discount. That was something that started happening with Ozzie. Probably done now. Only bright side of that is it might force Kenny to look a little closer at his abysmal drafting philosophy.

Absurd! Name one player who gave the Sox a hometown discount to stay specifically because of Ozzie. Players are motivated by money, a chance to win, and what's best for their family. If you think they opt out of greener pastures because they like the manager then keep dreaming.

Rocky Soprano
09-27-2011, 12:28 PM
I can't think of a single player who I really wanted to keep who the Sox lost in Ozzie's tenure. And guys like Paulie, MB, and AJ all took less money to stay, Konerko doing it twice. That is not common thing in Sox history, at least in my lifetime. The "sour taste guys" are who? Bobby ****ing Jenks? Magglio when we thought he was crippled? Please.

Explain why Ozzie keeps getting voted, by the players nonetheless, as the manager they would LEAST like to play for?

If he is such a players manager, wouldn't that get around?

sullythered
09-27-2011, 12:29 PM
Bull ****.



I just want to make sure.... you think that 30 year old men make decisions concerning millions of dollars that affect their family solely because they kinda like Ozzie Guillen?

I absolutely think part of the reason that those 30 year old men did play for less money was because of the guy they were playing for every day. Particularly when it almost never happened on the south side before he got there. But, I don't know, maybe they just took less money to stay here for the weather.

skobabe8
09-27-2011, 12:30 PM
I can't think of a single player who I really wanted to keep who the Sox lost in Ozzie's tenure. And guys like Paulie, MB, and AJ all took less money to stay, Konerko doing it twice. That is not common thing in Sox history, at least in my lifetime. The "sour taste guys" are who? Bobby ****ing Jenks? Magglio when we thought he was crippled? Please.

Have you heard PK's or AJ's reactions? It's pretty obvious they aren't too broken up over this.

I liked Ozzie, but the time has definitely come.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 12:30 PM
Explain why Ozzie keeps getting voted, by the players nonetheless, as the manager they would LEAST like to play for?

If he is such a players manager, wouldn't that get around?

Yet his players keep re-signing for less money. The proof is in the pudding.

rpmorri
09-27-2011, 12:31 PM
Since I'm being included, I still haven't heard why (in a situation where it was one or the other), keeping Kenny Williams was the right decision.

...and you won't, because it's not. Reinsdorf's only half done with the front office idiot still on the payroll.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 12:33 PM
Have you heard PK's or AJ's reactions? It's pretty obvious they aren't too broken up over this.

I liked Ozzie, but the time has definitely come.

They are happy the Ozzie/Kenny bull**** is over, to be sure. It was absolutely time to make a change. I just wish we changed the guy who has done more damage to the White Sox.

doublem23
09-27-2011, 12:39 PM
Yet his players keep re-signing for less money. The proof is in the pudding.

Who exactly has signed here for less money? Konerko didn't, his 2010 salary was $12 M and his new deal is equal to that or more over its course. Unless, of course, you believe he would have made more on the open market, which I guess, is debatable.

AJ took less money in 2011 but he's due to recieve a hefty raise in 2012.

I guess Buehrle may have taken a pay cut to stay with the Sox, but again, that's against the market that he never tested. Now, Buehrle is a big-time family guy so staying close to his home near St. Louis may have also factored in that, plus the fact that at $14 M a year from 2008-2011, he's not exactly worked for peanuts, either. He makes as much as Tim Lincecum does for the Giants. Huge discount.

Twin Killing
09-27-2011, 12:42 PM
Has any more information come out about Ozzie negotiating with the Marlins during the season?

I'm fine with everything that went down and think it's best for all involved that Ozzie is gone. But I have to say, the level of tampering here on the part of the Marlins is a little disturbing. They've had the welcome mat rolled out and basically a contract waiting for a signature to a manager under contract with another team. I'm sure the Sox were aware and chose to ignore it (or perhaps even encouraged it) as it presented the easiest way out for them. But I think the league should look into it. It's a very bad precedent to set.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 12:45 PM
Who exactly has signed here for less money? Konerko didn't, his 2010 salary was $12 M and his new deal is equal to that or more over its course. Unless, of course, you believe he would have made more on the open market, which I guess, is debatable.

AJ took less money in 2011 but he's due to recieve a hefty raise in 2012.

I guess Buehrle may have taken a pay cut to stay with the Sox, but again, that's against the market that he never tested. Now, Buehrle is a big-time family guy so staying close to his home near St. Louis may have also factored in that, plus the fact that at $14 M a year from 2008-2011, he's not exactly worked for peanuts, either. He makes as much as Tim Lincecum does for the Giants. Huge discount.
Konerko's first deal after the WS was absolutely below market value, and his second one probably was too. The market on a consistent veteran lefty, in Mark Buehrle, at the time, would have been more than he got with us. AJ had more money on the table elsewhere when he re-signed. Jermaine Dye took less money from the Sox than he was offered from the Rangers.

NardiWasHere
09-27-2011, 12:45 PM
Who exactly has signed here for less money? Konerko didn't, his 2010 salary was $12 M and his new deal is equal to that or more over its course. Unless, of course, you believe he would have made more on the open market, which I guess, is debatable.

AJ took less money in 2011 but he's due to recieve a hefty raise in 2012.

I guess Buehrle may have taken a pay cut to stay with the Sox, but again, that's against the market that he never tested. Now, Buehrle is a big-time family guy so staying close to his home near St. Louis may have also factored in that, plus the fact that at $14 M a year from 2008-2011, he's not exactly worked for peanuts, either. He makes as much as Tim Lincecum does for the Giants. Huge discount.


The "discount" that came to my mind first was when Dye took less money to come here initially because of his meetings with Kenny.

NardiWasHere
09-27-2011, 12:51 PM
Konerko's first deal after the WS was absolutely below market value, and his second one probably was too. The market on a consistent veteran lefty, in Mark Buehrle, at the time, would have been more than he got with us. AJ had more money on the table elsewhere when he re-signed. Jermaine Dye took less money from the Sox than he was offered from the Rangers.

Like I said... Dye took less money because he had already agreed to a price with Kenny.

You don't know the reasoning behind any of the other decisions and are just attributing it to Guillen.

So winning a world series in the 3rd largest city in the country with the team that gave you your first real chance in the MLB had nothing to do with Konerko's decision. It was all because he really really really loved Ozzie.

russ99
09-27-2011, 12:56 PM
I'm fine with everything that went down and think it's best for all involved that Ozzie is gone. But I have to say, the level of tampering here on the part of the Marlins is a little disturbing. They've had the welcome mat rolled out and basically a contract waiting for a signature to a manager under contract with another team. I'm sure the Sox were aware and chose to ignore it (or perhaps even encouraged it) as it presented the easiest way out for them. But I think the league should look into it. It's a very bad precedent to set.

Openly trading away a manager is a good precedent?

This has obviously been brewing for some time. The Sox have been looking at candidates and Ozzie's been talking to the Marlins, enough that there's already a trade in place.

Sadly some want to use the events of the last day to take one last dig at Ozzie's character.

kittle42
09-27-2011, 12:58 PM
The GM signed DeWayne Wise. The GM signed Juan Pierre. The GM is making the roster moves this winter.

Believe me, these things also scare me. It's really only you and a few others who ever kept stating this as an either/or situation. In my world, they both stink.

Flight #24
09-27-2011, 12:59 PM
I'm not disappointed in the move, I think it was clearly time. But regardless, one thing that struck me was Ozzie's comments on money. If I own or manage a team in any sport, any employee who ever said "I don't care about rings, I just want $" would be a guy who I'd be looking to get rid of ASAP. I understand with players you sometimes have to live with that, but especially in key guys, if you're not 100% focused on the title, I don't want you around.

I'm disappointed in Ozzie for that.

NardiWasHere
09-27-2011, 01:00 PM
Openly trading away a manager is a good precedent?

This has obviously been brewing for some time. The Sox have been looking at candidates and Ozzie's been talking to the Marlins, enough that there's already a trade in place.

Sadly some want to use the events of the last day to take one last dig at Ozzie's character.

Teams negotiating with managers while they have 2 years left on their contract without the permission of the other team is bad precedent. Yes.

Domeshot17
09-27-2011, 01:00 PM
Konerko's first deal after the WS was absolutely below market value, and his second one probably was too. The market on a consistent veteran lefty, in Mark Buehrle, at the time, would have been more than he got with us. AJ had more money on the table elsewhere when he re-signed. Jermaine Dye took less money from the Sox than he was offered from the Rangers.


Wow, are you way off base here.

Konerko took 1 mil per year less to play for us than to go to Baltimore. That was about winning, not Ozzie.

Konerko then had to meet with JR over the Ozzie drama before he would resign this new deal.

Buehrle making 14.5 a year is spot on. He might have gotten a little more, but location was important to him, not Ozzie.

Dye took less because he he had a handshake agreement with Kenny before the Rangers made the offer.

AJ didn't take less money to stay with the Sox, he deferred money for Konerko to come back.

Yet, the original post was right, Every year ESPN and other news outlets poll the mlb players, and every year Ozzie is overwhemingly voted the manager players want to play for least.

Ozzie used to be a GREAT motivator, that was his calling card, but that has not been the case for a while. You can tell by player comments in the offseason and now (Konerko, Thornton etc.) that the players are ready to move on from Ozzie and his family.

kittle42
09-27-2011, 01:02 PM
Sadly some want to use the events of the last day to take one last dig at Ozzie's character.

No, I'm happy to take future digs at his character, too.

Risk
09-27-2011, 01:04 PM
Sadly some want to use the events of the last day to take one last dig at Ozzie's character.

Asking for more money when a team is still alive (albeit barely) chasing Detroit and then having a need for "a sixty foot yacht" and "**** the rings" mentality shows at the very least a character trait which isn't healthy or conducive to helping the Sox win, no?

Risk

NardiWasHere
09-27-2011, 01:07 PM
Asking for more money when a team is still alive (albeit barely) chasing Detroit and then having a need for "a sixty foot yacht" and "**** the rings" mentality shows at the very least a character trait which isn't healthy or conducive to helping the Sox win, no?

Risk


Don't you understand? It was a defense mechanism! He was hurt! He has a fear of intimacy! It was a street smart move! He loves baseball so much he... eh nevermind.

Paulwny
09-27-2011, 01:10 PM
Its kind of funny how some think that certain players gave a "home town discount" because they liked playing or had some type of loyalty to Oz.
Yet, here's OZ jumping ship because the sox won't give him more money or an extension.
I guess it's a one way street.

JB98
09-27-2011, 01:13 PM
Wow, are you way off base here.

Konerko took 1 mil per year less to play for us than to go to Baltimore. That was about winning, not Ozzie.

Konerko then had to meet with JR over the Ozzie drama before he would resign this new deal.

Buehrle making 14.5 a year is spot on. He might have gotten a little more, but location was important to him, not Ozzie.

Dye took less because he he had a handshake agreement with Kenny before the Rangers made the offer.

AJ didn't take less money to stay with the Sox, he deferred money for Konerko to come back.

Yet, the original post was right, Every year ESPN and other news outlets poll the mlb players, and every year Ozzie is overwhemingly voted the manager players want to play for least.

Ozzie used to be a GREAT motivator, that was his calling card, but that has not been the case for a while. You can tell by player comments in the offseason and now (Konerko, Thornton etc.) that the players are ready to move on from Ozzie and his family.

They definitely are. Konerko's comments last night were quite telling. He said this regime has run its course, which it has. He said there is a sense of relief now that this finally went down, because everyone is human and there is only so much stress you can take. No wonder this team chokes every time a pressure situation presents itself. There's just too much tension surrounding the White Sox.

Anyone who thinks Ozzie's departure is a negative for this organization should read the last two paragraphs of this story:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-konerko-not-surprised-over-guillens-departure-20110926,0,6845916.story

Paul said a mouthful there. I'm sure Ozzie's defenders will be here to take more personal shots at me shortly, but Konerko is saying the same things a lot of us have been saying here at WSI for months, if not years.

This change is good for both Ozzie and for the White Sox organization. It was just time. It's sad that it came to this, but it's time to move on.

kittle42
09-27-2011, 01:22 PM
Anyone who thinks Ozzie's departure is a negative for this organization should read the last two paragraphs of this story:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-konerko-not-surprised-over-guillens-departure-20110926,0,6845916.story

Paul said a mouthful there. I'm sure Ozzie's defenders will be here to take more personal shots at me shortly, but Konerko is saying the same things a lot of us have been saying here at WSI for months, if not years.

This change is good for both Ozzie and for the White Sox organization. It was just time. It's sad that it came to this, but it's time to move on.

Come on, JB - OBVIOUSLY what Konerko meant was: "I cannot believe they got rid of Ozzie Guillen, whom, by the way, I took a discount to play for and was the sole reason for taking such a discount, when they should have gotten rid of Kenny Williams."

Oh, and also, "This organization won't win a championship for 40 years."

TaylorStSox
09-27-2011, 01:23 PM
The guy was in talks with another MLB team while managing the Sox in a ****ing pennant race! **** him! The more I think about it, the more I'm angry and disappointed. From the things he's said, I wouldn't be shocked if he was in contact with the Marlins before the year even started. We all joked about Ozzie making ridiculous baseball decisions in an effor to be fired. Now I think its probably true.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 01:24 PM
Its kind of funny how some think that certain players gave a "home town discount" because they liked playing or had some type of loyalty to Oz.
Yet, here's OZ jumping ship because the sox won't give him more money or an extension.
I guess it's a one way street.

Ozzie jumped ship because Kenny Williams is still there. Unless you don't believe what everybody has been reporting for 2 years.

kittle42
09-27-2011, 01:25 PM
The guy was in talks with another MLB team while managing the Sox in a ****ing pennant race! **** him! The more I think about it, the more I'm angry and disappointed. From the things he's said, I wouldn't be shocked if he was in contact with the Marlins before the year even started. We all joked about Ozzie making ridiculous baseball decisions in an effor to be fired. Now I think its probably true.

You don't understand, because you are a hater. Ozzie was forced into that position and did what absolutely everyone would do. Stop your hatey hating and praise the textbook managing styles of Ozzie!

Paulwny
09-27-2011, 01:26 PM
Ozzie jumped ship because Kenny Williams is still there. Unless you don't believe what everybody has been reporting for 2 years.

Oz left for one reason, more money.

kufram
09-27-2011, 01:27 PM
I don't really think it is sad that Ozzie is leaving. It is best for him and the White Sox clearly. I do find it interesting that people make it bigger than it is. He's a baseball manager and the team hasn't done well for a while so guess what? He moves on.

Ozzie is a young manager. While some try to read things into Pk's and AJ's remarks, to me it is clear that they all love Ozzie... MB, too. I think that is the good side of Ozzie and will probably never go away. People like him.... live with it.

As he gets older and more experienced he may learn to not say everything that comes into his mind and be a little less forthcoming in interviews because it gives people too much ammunition.

All in all everybody concerned seems happy enough and so am I. I hope we get a Francona-type myself.... no rookie managers please.

I have a feeling that one day in the future Ozzie's and the White Sox paths just may cross again.

kittle42
09-27-2011, 01:28 PM
Oz left for one reason, more money.

Even I don't really believe that.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 01:29 PM
Come on, JB - OBVIOUSLY what Konerko meant was: "I cannot believe they got rid of Ozzie Guillen, whom, by the way, I took a discount to play for and was the sole reason for taking such a discount, when they should have gotten rid of Kenny Williams."

Oh, and also, "This organization won't win a championship for 40 years."

Clearly, the "thing" he keeps referring to is the Ozzie/Kenny nonsense. They all wanted that to be done with. I think they're both knuckleheads. I just think Ozzie is a more talented one. It's not even really the fact that Ozzie left that gets to me. It's that (at least in my perception) the team chose Ken Williams, when he has had much more spectacular failure than Ozzie Guillen.

NardiWasHere
09-27-2011, 01:30 PM
I can't wait for the first time I see the inevitable posts...

"Buehrle didn't re-sign with the club because Ozzie left! He would have taken less $ to stay."

kittle42
09-27-2011, 01:30 PM
As he gets older and more experienced he may learn to not say everything that comes into his mind and be a little less forthcoming in interviews because it gives people too much ammunition.

But that was actually one of his consistently good traits - he was the focus and the pressure on his players was lessened. And the reason this whole thing is a big deal is because he is and has been - even in 2005 - the face of the franchise. This has not been a superstar team since Frank Thomas, and even he was not a "top-tier" perceived superstar nationally by the public.

kittle42
09-27-2011, 01:31 PM
I can't wait for the first time I see the inevitable posts...

"Buehrle didn't re-sign with the club because Ozzie left! He would have taken less $ to stay."

It will just be the insane ramblings of the confused.

kittle42
09-27-2011, 01:32 PM
It's that (at least in my perception) the team chose Ken Williams, when he has had much more spectacular failure than Ozzie Guillen.

Don't get me wrong - he should be next. Ozzie should have been gone in May.

Paulwny
09-27-2011, 01:32 PM
Even I don't really believe that.

I wonder if Oz would have made his demands if he hadn't had a deal worked out with the Marlins.

Twin Killing
09-27-2011, 01:34 PM
Openly trading away a manager is a good precedent?

This has obviously been brewing for some time. The Sox have been looking at candidates and Ozzie's been talking to the Marlins, enough that there's already a trade in place.

Sadly some want to use the events of the last day to take one last dig at Ozzie's character.

Who's taking a shot at Ozzie? I believe the Marlins targeted Ozzie a long time ago. Not the other way around. They pursued him even though he was under contract with another team. That is wrong. You can argue either way about how it all ended up, but a team pursuing another teams manager while under contract is terrible precedent.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 01:34 PM
It will just be the insane ramblings of the confused.

Well it won't be from me. The point I was trying to make was that, during Ozzie's tenure, we heard, every season, about all these guys that were gonna jump ship. Then they never did. If any of that "nobody wants to play for Ozzie" bull**** was true, those guys would have left.

And the reason Buehrle won't come back isn't because Ozzie is gone, it's because Kenny gave Peavy/Rios/Dunn a zillion dollars to ruin the franchise.

kobo
09-27-2011, 01:37 PM
Ozzie jumped ship because Kenny Williams is still there. Unless you don't believe what everybody has been reporting for 2 years.
Why does this have to be a Ozzie vs Kenny thing? For as much as they haven't gotten along the last couple years they were still able to work together. Ozzie left because let's face it, his time was over. There are probably several factors involved, one being KW, but to state that it's solely because of KW is shortsighted.

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Rocky Soprano
09-27-2011, 01:38 PM
Don't get me wrong - he should be next. Ozzie should have been gone in May.

Ozzie shouldn't have been brought back this spring.

Nellie_Fox
09-27-2011, 01:40 PM
Don't get me wrong - he should be next. Ozzie should have been gone in May.

Ozzie shouldn't have been brought back this spring.
So now are we going to play "can you top this?" with Ozzie, like people did with how little they cared about the team the last month?

Rocky Soprano
09-27-2011, 01:41 PM
Ozzie jumped ship because Kenny Williams is still there. Unless you don't believe what everybody has been reporting for 2 years.

By everybody you mean Cowley.

kobo
09-27-2011, 01:42 PM
Well it won't be from me. The point I was trying to make was that, during Ozzie's tenure, we heard, every season, about all these guys that were gonna jump ship. Then they never did. If any of that "nobody wants to play for Ozzie" bull**** was true, those guys would have left.

And the reason Buehrle won't come back isn't because Ozzie is gone, it's because Kenny gave Peavy/Rios/Dunn a zillion dollars to ruin the franchise.
KW only gave money to Dunn, he took on the contracts of Peavy and Rios. I still don't see how Peavy has ruined the franchise. Failed to live up to expectations? Yes. Ruined the franchise? No.

asindc
09-27-2011, 01:43 PM
So now are we going to play "can you top this?" with Ozzie, like people did with how little they cared about the team the last month?

Oh come on, Nellie, you can't tell me that you didn't think it was cool how a few posters were telling us that they didn't give a **** anymore... over and over and over again.

kittle42
09-27-2011, 01:43 PM
it's because Kenny gave Peavy/Rios/Dunn a zillion dollars to ruin the franchise.

Well if that was his goal, he certainly accomplished it! :D:

oldcomiskey
09-27-2011, 01:44 PM
Ozzie was Kenny's shield,

if the Sox tank next year then there will be no one left to blame but Kenny and hopefully he'll be shown the door.

interesting how you poo poo on Oz and Kw--then show Peavy on your sig.

kittle42
09-27-2011, 01:45 PM
So now are we going to play "can you top this?" with Ozzie, like people did with how little they cared about the team the last month?

Ozzie should have been gone after Mike Lamb hit a homer in the top of the second off Contreras!

sullythered
09-27-2011, 01:45 PM
KW only gave money to Dunn, he took on the contracts of Peavy and Rios. I still don't see how Peavy has ruined the franchise. Failed to live up to expectations? Yes. Ruined the franchise? No.

Peavy the least of the three, but he's still been a very expensive failure. And yes, he gave money to Rios. I know it wasn't a conventional free agent deal, but that was the worst decision of them all.

DirtySox
09-27-2011, 01:45 PM
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Great deal for White Sox RT @MDGonzales Sox get Double-A power arm Jhan Marinez in Guillen deal, joining infielder Ozzie Martinez
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Martinez is intriguing. Power arm that can touch 100 with great strikeout numbers, but control issues. Could be something worthwhile.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 01:48 PM
By everybody you mean Cowley.

Cowley was the biggest mouth, and the first to proclaim it, but that stuff was hardly secret. The players even acknowledged it.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 01:50 PM
Just please don't let Rick Hahn go to the Cubs.

kittle42
09-27-2011, 01:51 PM
Power arm that can touch 100 with great strikeout numbers, but control issues.

At least he didn't come from the Royals.

TaylorStSox
09-27-2011, 01:54 PM
Peavy the least of the three, but he's still been a very expensive failure. And yes, he gave money to Rios. I know it wasn't a conventional free agent deal, but that was the worst decision of them all.

Its certainly debatable whether Rios had a worse year than Peavy, but that's a different topic.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 02:01 PM
Its certainly debatable whether Rios had a worse year than Peavy, but that's a different topic.

I was talking, mainly, about how the Rios debacle went down from the beginning.

Rocky Soprano
09-27-2011, 02:03 PM
Just please don't let Rick Hahn go to the Cubs.

You hate Williams but you love Hahn.
:scratch:

sullythered
09-27-2011, 02:08 PM
You hate Williams but you love Hahn.
:scratch:

Rick Hahn's philosophy (from everything I've read about him) is very different from Kenny's. He would be more of a build from within guy, if he had that power. He's also reported to be more well thought of throughout the league than Kenny, as a baseball mind. He would have already become a GM, had he chosen to take the interviews that were offered to him. He wanted to stay in Chicago. Now there is a GM position available in Chicago for him to take.

SI1020
09-27-2011, 02:09 PM
You hate Williams but you love Hahn.
:scratch: Yeah I don't get that either.

Hitmen77
09-27-2011, 02:14 PM
Ozzie's version of Moneyball:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/7904087-452/for-ozzie-moneyball-meant-play-the-highest-paid-guys.html

(sorry if this was posted already)

thomas35forever
09-27-2011, 02:16 PM
Turn on MLB Network right now. They're talking about this.

asindc
09-27-2011, 03:16 PM
AJ on ESPN 1000 right now.

kufram
09-27-2011, 03:55 PM
But that was actually one of his consistently good traits - he was the focus and the pressure on his players was lessened. And the reason this whole thing is a big deal is because he is and has been - even in 2005 - the face of the franchise. This has not been a superstar team since Frank Thomas, and even he was not a "top-tier" perceived superstar nationally by the public.

Of course I'm not talking about the 98% of Ozzie's press which was funny, entertaining, always good for a quote and only edgy enough to be newsworthy in baseball-land. It was the 2% that was over the mark and got him in actual trouble with regular people. The quotes that people like to throw around here. Players seem to manage the pressure in NY and Boston without a manager laying down fog for them. I think ours would have survived too. Ozzie was the face of the franchise because of his character. He's more interesting to interview than the players. I don't think he is who he is to relieve pressure... it really is him.

DirtySox
09-27-2011, 05:04 PM
Baseball America has a brief write up on Marinez and Martinez for those that are interested.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2011/2612403.html

ChiSoxGirl
09-27-2011, 08:48 PM
I've stayed out of the Clubhouse threads for most of the summer, but given the major news of last night, it's time for me to say my piece.

I know the current regime had run its course and that change was not only being demanded by the fans, but inevitable. I had a feeling it would be Ozzie to go and not Kenny, but nevertheless, it's weird to think that he's not in that third base dugout right now.

Watching Ozzie call Lillibridge back in favor of Dunn on getaway day against the Twins on August 31 was the end of the line for me. I couldn't understand how a guy who's supposedly "baseball smart" could make, then justify, such an idiotic move. How do you pinch-hit for a guy who'd already homered once during the game and homered off Nathan earlier in the month? Furthermore, how do you send a guy with a .160 batting average up there in a key ninth-inning situation?!

And then there's him batting Rios and Dunn fourth & fifth in the lineup! It's the only situation I can think of where two guys who severely underperformed, and in Rios' case dogged it on numerous occasions, would continually be rewarded with playing time. A manager who consistently makes decisions like that deserves to be held accountable.

With all that said, it's a sad time in White Sox history because not too long ago, Sox fans loved Ozzie. He could've ran for Mayor of Chicago after leading the team to the Promised Land and possibly won -- that's how much he was loved. He was the right guy for the job in 2003 and his hiring couldn't have come at a better time. I hate that eight years of memories came to this and ended on such a sour note, but the Ozzie love affair has ended and it's time for something -- and someone -- new.

Flight #24
09-27-2011, 10:02 PM
Baseball America has a brief write up on Marinez and Martinez for those that are interested.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2011/2612403.html

With Coop and a hitting coach not named Walker, these guys sound like they have real potential.

GlassSox
09-27-2011, 10:21 PM
I've stayed out of the Clubhouse threads for most of the summer, but given the major news of last night, it's time for me to say my piece.

I know the current regime had run its course and that change was not only being demanded by the fans, but inevitable. I had a feeling it would be Ozzie to go and not Kenny, but nevertheless, it's weird to think that he's not in that third base dugout right now.

Watching Ozzie call Lillibridge back in favor of Dunn on getaway day against the Twins on August 31 was the end of the line for me. I couldn't understand how a guy who's supposedly "baseball smart" could make, then justify, such an idiotic move. How do you pinch-hit for a guy who'd already homered once during the game and homered off Nathan earlier in the month? Furthermore, how do you send a guy with a .160 batting average up there in a key ninth-inning situation?!

And then there's him batting Rios and Dunn fourth & fifth in the lineup! It's the only situation I can think of where two guys who severely underperformed, and in Rios' case dogged it on numerous occasions, would continually be rewarded with playing time. A manager who consistently makes decisions like that deserves to be held accountable.

With all that said, it's a sad time in White Sox history because not too long ago, Sox fans loved Ozzie. He could've ran for Mayor of Chicago after leading the team to the Promised Land and possibly won - that's how much he was loved. He was the right guy for the job in 2003 and his hiring couldn't have come at a better time. I hate that eight years of memories came to this and ended on such a sour note, but the Ozzie love affair has ended and it's time for something -- and someone -- new.

Very good post, very well thought out. :thumbsup:

samurai_sox
09-27-2011, 11:35 PM
interesting how you poo poo on Oz and Kw--then show Peavy on your sig.

I've been too lazy to change it, so sue me.

VMSNS
09-28-2011, 01:35 PM
Just heard the Ozzie's Miami Marlins press conference. Three quotes from Ozzie that stood out to me...

"I feel like I'm home here."

"It's not about Ozzie. It's about Miami and the Marlins."

"Me and my family have been wanting to do this for years."

Funny how Ozzie says Chicago will always be his home, and then comes back with this. Also funny how in Chicago, it's OZZIE who says he's the face of the franchise, not the players, and all he wants is more money. Now, all of a sudden, it's about the Marlins.
The bottom statement directly contradicts Cowley's statements about this development with the Marlins being a very recent development. Straight from Ozzie.

Yeah. Eat ****, Oz.

DSpivack
09-28-2011, 01:37 PM
Just heard the Ozzie's Miami Marlins press conference. Three quotes from Ozzie that stood out to me...

"I feel like I'm home here."

"It's not about Ozzie. It's about Miami and the Marlins."

"Me and my family have been wanting to do this for years."

Funny how Ozzie says Chicago will always be his home, and then comes back with this. Also funny how in Chicago, it's OZZIE who says he's the face of the franchise, not the players, and all he wants is more money. Now, all of a sudden, it's about the Marlins.
The bottom statement directly contradicts Cowley's statements about this development with the Marlins being a very recent development. Straight from Ozzie.

Yeah. Eat ****, Oz.

Of course it's all about the Marlins now. He's their manager. Sounds like pretty bland statements from a typical opening press conference to me.

kittle42
09-28-2011, 01:40 PM
Just heard the Ozzie's Miami Marlins press conference. Three quotes from Ozzie that stood out to me...

"I feel like I'm home here."

"It's not about Ozzie. It's about Miami and the Marlins."

"Me and my family have been wanting to do this for years."

Funny how Ozzie says Chicago will always be his home, and then comes back with this. Also funny how in Chicago, it's OZZIE who says he's the face of the franchise, not the players, and all he wants is more money. Now, all of a sudden, it's about the Marlins.
The bottom statement directly contradicts Cowley's statements about this development with the Marlins being a very recent development. Straight from Ozzie.

Yeah. Eat ****, Oz.

Of course it's all about the Marlins now. He's their manager. Sounds like pretty bland statements from a typical opening press conference to me.

Thanks, DSpivack. What is he supposed to say? He said all the right things. Jeez, people, I have bashed Ozzie when I felt it was appropriate this year and in the last two days, but come on.

Nellie_Fox
09-28-2011, 01:42 PM
You wanted him gone, he's gone. Don't get offended because he's not weeping openly and pining for Chicago. "Get the hell out, I hate you. Wait, you don't miss me? What a jerk!"

VMSNS
09-28-2011, 01:48 PM
I'm not hoping that he pines about Chicago, just merely pointing out the irony in his comments. That's all.

GoGoCrede
09-28-2011, 01:50 PM
Of course it's all about the Marlins now. He's their manager. Sounds like pretty bland statements from a typical opening press conference to me.

Additionally, I'd say most players and managers alike say these type of comments. Reasonable and expected. And frankly, I'd be thrilled too if I wanted a change of scenery and a job closer to my family.

spawn
09-28-2011, 01:53 PM
I'm not hoping that he pines about Chicago, just merely pointing out the irony in his comments. That's all.

What's he supposed to say? That he misses e White Sox and he wishes he was still managing there? Good God. Even with him gone, people still want to bitch about him. I'm glad he's gone, but I have no problem with what he said. As DSpivack said, he's the Marlins manager now.

TheVulture
09-28-2011, 01:58 PM
KW says he already knows who he wants for manager, and it seems likely that we would probably be looking at the anti-Ozzie. Could it be Harold?

Randar68
09-28-2011, 02:01 PM
The best part of this is that Cowley is now irrelevant WRT the Sox. His contact is gone and he can be done carrying Ozzie's water...

Back to out regularly scheduled crappy baseball team in rebuilding mode. :(:

Randar68
09-28-2011, 02:02 PM
KW says he already knows who he wants for manager, and it seems likely that we would probably be looking at the anti-Ozzie. Could it be Harold?
Sandy Alomar Jr is a near lock at this point, I believe.

central44
09-28-2011, 02:03 PM
Thanks, DSpivack. What is he supposed to say? He said all the right things. Jeez, people, I have bashed Ozzie when I felt it was appropriate this year and in the last two days, but come on.

Yeah nothing there was that bad. The part about him and his family "wanting to do this for years" made me raise an eyebrow but whatever.

asindc
09-28-2011, 02:05 PM
Yawnnn. Did the Marlins manager say something?

VMSNS
09-28-2011, 02:07 PM
What's he supposed to say? That he misses e White Sox and he wishes he was still managing there? Good God. Even with him gone, people still want to bitch about him. I'm glad he's gone, but I have no problem with what he said. As DSpivack said, he's the Marlins manager now.

Listen. I wasn't expecting him to differently than what he said. Of course he's going to say these things, it happens with all managers. It's just that his comments are ironic.

In Chicago: "Chicago will always be my home. Special place in my heart, blah blah blah"
In Miami: "I'm at home here."

In Chicago: "I'm the face of the franchise. I want more money. Pay me."
In Miami: "It's not about Ozzie."

It's called irony, and it's humorous to me. That's all I was trying to point out.

doublem23
09-28-2011, 02:12 PM
Sandy Alomar Jr is a near lock at this point, I believe.

based on...

GoGoCrede
09-28-2011, 02:15 PM
Listen. I wasn't expecting him to differently than what he said. Of course he's going to say these things, it happens with all managers. It's just that his comments are ironic.

In Chicago: "Chicago will always be my home. Special place in my heart, blah blah blah"
In Miami: "I'm at home here."

In Chicago: "I'm the face of the franchise. I want more money. Pay me."
In Miami: "It's not about Ozzie."

It's called irony, and it's humorous to me. That's all I was trying to point out.

It's probably both on your first point. He spends probably half the year at each residence.

Randar68
09-28-2011, 02:57 PM
based on...
My opinion based on what I have heard.

kittle42
09-28-2011, 03:29 PM
Yawnnn. Did the Marlins manager say something?

Seriously. I'm much more concerned with what the front page of the Boston Globe says today!

blandman
09-28-2011, 03:38 PM
My opinion based on what I have heard.

I've heard the Indians promoted him today to their bench coach. Not exactly something you're going to do if you intend on letting a division rival hire him away.

Goose
09-28-2011, 03:39 PM
Seriously. I'm much more concerned with what the front page of the Boston Globe says today!

That had me LOL

Lip Man 1
09-28-2011, 03:43 PM
Don't give Fenway ideas.

:rolleyes:

Lip

blandman
09-28-2011, 03:52 PM
Seriously. I'm much more concerned with what the front page of the Boston Globe says today!

:rolling:

Nellie_Fox
09-28-2011, 04:15 PM
KW says he already knows who he wants for manager, and it seems likely that we would probably be looking at the anti-Ozzie. Could it be Harold?I think you need a manager who would talk. Not being sarcastic, but he's way too reserved to be a manager.

blandman
09-28-2011, 04:20 PM
I think you need a manager who would talk. Not being sarcastic, but he's way too reserved to be a manager.

Usually, teams that lose a manager go for the exact opposite type. Ozzie was the opposite of Manuel, and Harold is the opposite of Ozzie.

I don't think Harold's the guy, but I think they're looking at guys like him.

Nellie_Fox
09-28-2011, 04:21 PM
Usually, teams that lose a manager go for the exact opposite type. Ozzie was the opposite of Manuel, and Harold is the opposite of Ozzie.

I don't think Harold's the guy, but I think they're looking at guys like him.There's low key, and then there's silent. Silent doesn't work.

DSpivack
09-28-2011, 04:22 PM
Usually, teams that lose a manager go for the exact opposite type. Ozzie was the opposite of Manuel, and Harold is the opposite of Ozzie.

I don't think Harold's the guy, but I think they're looking at guys like him.

Manuel seemed like a calm guy, for a manager. Harold seems stoic. There's a difference there.

Domeshot17
09-28-2011, 07:29 PM
http://www.csnchicago.com/09/28/11/Wheres-the-love-Ozzie-happy-to-be-in-Mia/landing_whitesox_loud3r.html?blockID=568870&feedID=662

Ozzie now says he didn't care about baseball that much in Chicago, but now he does in Miami and has his "baseball blood" back.

doublem23
09-28-2011, 08:50 PM
http://www.csnchicago.com/09/28/11/Wheres-the-love-Ozzie-happy-to-be-in-Mia/landing_whitesox_loud3r.html?blockID=568870&feedID=662

Ozzie now says he didn't care about baseball that much in Chicago, but now he does in Miami and has his "baseball blood" back.

Go **** yourself, Ozzie. Seriously.

Lip Man 1
09-28-2011, 08:55 PM
**** you Ozzie. Period. Have fun trying to beat the Phillies and Braves and play in front of 10 thousand fans, new stadium or not.

I give the over under on Loria firing Ozzie at three years.

Lip

kittle42
09-28-2011, 08:56 PM
http://www.csnchicago.com/09/28/11/Wheres-the-love-Ozzie-happy-to-be-in-Mia/landing_whitesox_loud3r.html?blockID=568870&feedID=662

Ozzie now says he didn't care about baseball that much in Chicago, but now he does in Miami and has his "baseball blood" back.

Textbook!

harwar
09-28-2011, 09:00 PM
That man has no honor ..

Frater Perdurabo
09-28-2011, 09:03 PM
http://www.csnchicago.com/09/28/11/Wheres-the-love-Ozzie-happy-to-be-in-Mia/landing_whitesox_loud3r.html?blockID=568870&feedID=662

Ozzie now says he didn't care about baseball that much in Chicago, but now he does in Miami and has his "baseball blood" back.

Following on the "fans piss on statues" garbage, and the admission that money was most important to him, we are learning that Ozzie only cares about Ozzie. What a classless piece of ****.

GlassSox
09-28-2011, 09:12 PM
Go **** yourself, Ozzie. Seriously.

I agree

tstrike2000
09-28-2011, 09:18 PM
The guy's a ****, plain and simple. Him going to Florida was the worst kept secret of the whole summer and we're all glad this ****ing clown, who pissed away all kinds of talent on the south side, is far away from the Sox dugout.

CHISOXFAN13
09-28-2011, 09:19 PM
The sad thing is, there are a group of Ozzie apologists on this site. The man is a first class piece of ****.

kobo
09-28-2011, 09:21 PM
http://www.csnchicago.com/09/28/11/Wheres-the-love-Ozzie-happy-to-be-in-Mia/landing_whitesox_loud3r.html?blockID=568870&feedID=662

Ozzie now says he didn't care about baseball that much in Chicago, but now he does in Miami and has his "baseball blood" back.
Funny, he talks about not having his 'baseball blood' for a couple years and that something had been missing for a couple years, but he never had trouble opening his mouth asking for a contract extension here. Get ****ed Ozzie. At least he didn't trash the organization.

kittle42
09-28-2011, 09:21 PM
None of this makes me have any visceral reaction. He was fun while he was here for the most part; he won a World Series; and it wasn't til the last few seasons that he was really just not good. I still wish him the best down there.

Brian26
09-28-2011, 09:39 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/28/2428786/column-guillen-steals-more-headlines.html

Is this old news? I've lost track. Some of these quotes are reprehensible though.

"With money, I can go buy me a new boat, I can go buy me a new car, I can dress my wife the way I want to dress her, I can go to Spain," Guillen said. "With the ring, I can go to United Airlines and say, 'Hello, I won the 2005 championship. Can you fly me to Spain?' Hell, no.

"I work in this job for money. I don't work for nothing. Money. That's it. The ring? (Bleep) the ring. I don't even wear my (bleeping) rings. I don't."

GoGoCrede
09-28-2011, 09:48 PM
"With money, I can go buy me a new boat, I can go buy me a new car, I can dress my wife the way I want to dress her, I can go to Spain," Guillen said. "With the ring, I can go to United Airlines and say, 'Hello, I won the 2005 championship. Can you fly me to Spain?' Hell, no.

Douche.

Konerko05
09-28-2011, 09:49 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/28/2428786/column-guillen-steals-more-headlines.html

Is this old news? I've lost track. Some of these quotes are reprehensible though.

That's just sad.

Frater Perdurabo
09-28-2011, 09:51 PM
Ozzie has surpassed LeBron James as the biggest douchebag in Miami.

At least LeBron went to Miami to try to win a championship.

Ozzie admits to being a whore and disrespects the ring he already won.

LeBron never ripped on Cavs fans, even after they burned his jerseys.

Ozzie accused Sox fans of pissing on statues

A. Cavatica
09-28-2011, 10:27 PM
None of this makes me have any visceral reaction. He was fun while he was here for the most part; he won a World Series; and it wasn't til the last few seasons that he was really just not good. I still wish him the best down there.

He was downright awful in 2006, and cost us a playoff appearance.

A. Cavatica
09-28-2011, 10:27 PM
Ozzie has surpassed LeBron James as the biggest douchebag in Miami.

At least LeBron went to Miami to try to win a championship.

Ozzie admits to being a whore and disrespects the ring he already won.

LeBron never ripped on Cavs fans, even after they burned his jerseys.

Ozzie accused Sox fans of pissing on statues

2011 was the year we added a donkey and subtracted an ass.

kittle42
09-28-2011, 10:31 PM
He was downright awful in 2006, and cost us a playoff appearance.

Textbook!

ChiSoxGal85
09-28-2011, 10:33 PM
2011 was the year we added a donkey and subtracted an ass.
:rolling:

Nelfox02
09-28-2011, 10:39 PM
Ozzie has surpassed LeBron James as the biggest douchebag in Miami.

At least LeBron went to Miami to try to win a championship.

Ozzie admits to being a whore and disrespects the ring he already won.

LeBron never ripped on Cavs fans, even after they burned his jerseys.

Ozzie accused Sox fans of pissing on statues


100% agree.....even if you dont care for LeBron you have to at least recognize the guy is an awesome talent. I dont consider Ozzie to even be an above average manager.......

I hope he crashes and burns and is fired by the end of year 2 down there......

Aesero
09-28-2011, 10:42 PM
I guess the Ozzie supporters were right. I miss him already.

:rolleyes:

ChiSoxGirl
09-29-2011, 09:27 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/28/2428786/column-guillen-steals-more-headlines.html

Is this old news? I've lost track. Some of these quotes are reprehensible though.

Truth be told, I was feeling all sentimental and sad when Ozzie chose to leave the Sox. Then I read the Yahoo article you linked to a couple days ago (which is essentially the same as this one in the Miami Herald) and now have one thing to say to Guillen, "See ya!"

What really got me was the part about the ring. "**** the ring." Really, Ozzie? I recall you being elated when you led that 2005 team to the Promised Land. :whatever:

GoGoCrede
09-29-2011, 09:33 PM
Truth be told, I was feeling all sentimental and sad when Ozzie chose to leave the Sox. Then I read the Yahoo article you linked to a couple days ago (which is essentially the same as this one in the Miami Herald) and now have one thing to say to Guillen, "See ya!"

What really got me was the part about the ring. "**** the ring." Really, Ozzie? I recall you being elated when you led that 2005 team to the Promised Land. :whatever:

Yeah, the mopey, morose feeling has definitely passed. Bring on the new manager.

ChiSoxGal85
09-29-2011, 10:39 PM
Yeah, the mopey, morose feeling has definitely passed. Bring on the new manager.
Yep - it felt weird the first day, and now I've moved on. Ready for some change and ready for some White Sox baseball....darn it. When's spring training start? :whiner: Oh, yeah, and I unfollowed Ozzie on Twitter. :cool:

Soxman219
09-30-2011, 12:22 AM
Thanks for 2005 Ozzie.

Now honestly, go ******* **** yourself.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
09-30-2011, 03:14 AM
We allegedly piss on statues. Ozzie pisses on the ring and the memories associated with it.

Whatever you do with the damn ring is your business, whether you wear it, keep it locked up, or gave it to some kid in Venezuela. But Oz, buddy, seriously, get ****ed. You wanna chase the money, whatever, that's your prerogative. But to say that you could care less about winning that ring...that ring is the only thing that gives you the slightest shred of credibility as a manager. Lord knows it isn't your keen tactical mind or your ability to play the best players that made you in demand.

You'll be lucky to last two years down there, Oz. Loria goes through managers like toilet paper. If you underachieve (which has been your predominant body of work since 2006), what makes you think your "home team" won't decide to throw you off to the side for the next flavor of the week? And with you all but admitting that you didn't care about managing the last year or so here with the Sox, once the Marlins get rid of you, who would ever want to take a chance on you, a known half-asser, again?

If I were you, I'd save every buck the Marlins give you and put it into a high-interest bank account, because if you crash and burn, your next manager job will probably be at Kinko's.

Thanks for 2005. Unlike you, us fans actually appreciate the memories, memories that are cemented in my head forever as if they happened yesterday. You had a big part of that, and no matter how much I detest your current quotes and your admittance of Rios-ing it the last few years, I will always appreciate you leading this team to the Promised Land.

That said, get ****ed and try not to get killed by the Phillies and Braves too much, yeah?

central44
09-30-2011, 03:20 AM
http://www.csnchicago.com/09/28/11/Wheres-the-love-Ozzie-happy-to-be-in-Mia/landing_whitesox_loud3r.html?blockID=568870&feedID=662

Ozzie now says he didn't care about baseball that much in Chicago, but now he does in Miami and has his "baseball blood" back.

Good riddance.

Ozzie had a dream situation in Chicago--he worked for the organization he came up with, for a boss (JR) who would allow him to keep that job for life if he wanted it, and after 2005 he was beloved by the fans the way very, very few coaches/managers ever are.

So what does Ozzie do? He flirts with the Marlins while under contract, completely checks out on the team during the 2011 season when it became obvious he'd be going there (I don't KNOW that he did but it looked pretty obvious to me) bad mouthed the fans and then says BS like this about "how tough it was to work in Chicago."

And now he's saying he didn't "see the passion for the game" in Chicago...wow. I hope I misinterpreted that, and he's not actually claiming that people in MIAMI are passionate about baseball, but not Chicago, and thats why his "baseball blood" is back.

If so, then he's in for a big disappointment, because Miami isn't passionate about sports, period, and doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Chicago in that regard.

Whatever. It's a moot point now.

central44
09-30-2011, 03:23 AM
We allegedly piss on statues. Ozzie pisses on the ring and the memories associated with it.

Whatever you do with the damn ring is your business, whether you wear it, keep it locked up, or gave it to some kid in Venezuela. But Oz, buddy, seriously, get ****ed. You wanna chase the money, whatever, that's your prerogative. But to say that you could care less about winning that ring...that ring is the only thing that gives you the slightest shred of credibility as a manager. Lord knows it isn't your keen tactical mind or your ability to play the best players that made you in demand.

You'll be lucky to last two years down there, Oz. Loria goes through managers like toilet paper. If you underachieve (which has been your predominant body of work since 2006), what makes you think your "home team" won't decide to throw you off to the side for the next flavor of the week? And with you all but admitting that you didn't care about managing the last year or so here with the Sox, once the Marlins get rid of you, who would ever want to take a chance on you, a known half-asser, again?

If I were you, I'd save every buck the Marlins give you and put it into a high-interest bank account, because if you crash and burn, your next manager job will probably be at Kinko's.

Thanks for 2005. Unlike you, us fans actually appreciate the memories, memories that are cemented in my head forever as if they happened yesterday. You had a big part of that, and no matter how much I detest your current quotes and your admittance of Rios-ing it the last few years, I will always appreciate you leading this team to the Promised Land.

That said, get ****ed and try not to get killed by the Phillies and Braves too much, yeah?

Well said, couldn't agree more.

Randar68
09-30-2011, 09:50 AM
we are learning that Ozzie only cares about Ozzie.

Seriously? Frater, weren't you paying attention the past 3 years (if not the past 30)??? This little Kenny vs Ozzie thing and Ozzie's out of control kids and the egotism and selfishness and.... on and on and on... Nevermind Joe Cowley being Ozzie's media bobo.

It's just a massive cluster**** built on the back of Ozzie's douchebaggery.

GoSox2K3
09-30-2011, 10:31 AM
http://www.csnchicago.com/09/28/11/Wheres-the-love-Ozzie-happy-to-be-in-Mia/landing_whitesox_loud3r.html?blockID=568870&feedID=662

Ozzie now says he didn't care about baseball that much in Chicago, but now he does in Miami and has his "baseball blood" back.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/28/2428786/column-guillen-steals-more-headlines.html

Is this old news? I've lost track. Some of these quotes are reprehensible though.

Where's Russ to spin this as a ridiculous witch hunt against Ozzie?
:waiting::poke:

jdm2662
09-30-2011, 10:43 AM
Ah yes, I knew the true colors of Ozzie would come out eventually. It's not very hard to say "I enjoyed my tenure in Chicago, but I'm ready to start a new chapter in Miami." The more **** he spews, the more he looks more and more like an unprofessional *******.

Frater Perdurabo
09-30-2011, 11:02 AM
Seriously? Frater, weren't you paying attention the past 3 years (if not the past 30)??? This little Kenny vs Ozzie thing and Ozzie's out of control kids and the egotism and selfishness and.... on and on and on... Nevermind Joe Cowley being Ozzie's media bobo.

It's just a massive cluster**** built on the back of Ozzie's douchebaggery.

I have a gift for understatement, Randar. :)

veeter
09-30-2011, 11:14 AM
Ozzie is a low-life, scum bag. Have fun giving Stanton the bunt sign jerk off.

russ99
09-30-2011, 11:19 AM
Where's Russ to spin this as a ridiculous witch hunt against Ozzie?
:waiting::poke:

Ha. Real funny.

What do you expect the guy to say? He was quoted hundreds of times saying he wanted to be the Sox manager, yet they ran him out of of town.

Were you expecting sunshine and lollipops?

Have fun giving Stanton the bunt sign jerk off.

Can't wait to see the reaction from the "fanbase" when our next manager calls for bunts.

spawn
09-30-2011, 11:31 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/28/2428786/column-guillen-steals-more-headlines.html

Is this old news? I've lost track. Some of these quotes are reprehensible though.

Wow. This organization gave him his first shot at managing, and this is how he repays them? What a prick.

spawn
09-30-2011, 11:35 AM
Ha. Real funny.

What do you expect the guy to say? He was quoted hundreds of times saying he wanted to be the Sox manager, yet they ran him out of of town.

Were you expecting sunshine and lollipops?


He had a contract next year. He kept bitching about an extension. What do we expect? If he were a player, we'd expect him to honor his contract. We'd expect a little class. We'd expect him to be thankful to the organization for giving him his first shot at managing a team. We expect him to be proud for bringing the first WS championship in 88 years. Instead we get an arrogant little pissant spitting on the city and it's fans on the way out the door. **** Ozzie and his whole ****ed up family.

Chez
09-30-2011, 12:02 PM
Meh. This type of thing happens all too frequently (e.g. Frank Thomas). I'm grateful for the things Ozzie did for the Sox as both a player and a manager. Let's just face forward and move on.

SI1020
09-30-2011, 12:03 PM
Ha. Real funny.

What do you expect the guy to say? He was quoted hundreds of times saying he wanted to be the Sox manager, yet they ran him out of of town.

Were you expecting sunshine and lollipops?



Can't wait to see the reaction from the "fanbase" when our next manager calls for bunts. There isn't anything he could do or say that you wouldn't praise to the heavens.

DirtySox
09-30-2011, 12:14 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/DertyFoot/Skan.jpg


http://smellslikemascot.blogspot.com/

kittle42
09-30-2011, 12:23 PM
Can't wait to see the reaction from the "fanbase" when our next manager calls for bunts.

And to the very end, you still don't understand what the beef is.

kufram
09-30-2011, 12:59 PM
Meh. This type of thing happens all too frequently (e.g. Frank Thomas). I'm grateful for the things Ozzie did for the Sox as both a player and a manager. Let's just face forward and move on.

A voice of reason in a storm of meaningless "he said this so I think this". ... thank you.

asindc
09-30-2011, 01:09 PM
A bit more insight into Ozzie's mindset going into this season (read the section on the Sox):

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/arizona-diamondbacks-milwaukee-brewers-detroit-tigers-ken-rosenthals-hits-and-misses-predictions-092911

October26
09-30-2011, 01:18 PM
Meh. This type of thing happens all too frequently (e.g. Frank Thomas). I'm grateful for the things Ozzie did for the Sox as both a player and a manager. Let's just face forward and move on.

A voice of reason in a storm of meaningless "he said this so I think this". ... thank you.

Thank you and thank you. These are my thoughts as well.

You're right, Chez, the exact same thing happened when Frank & the Sox divorced. Divorce is ugly as we are now seeing with the Ozzie-Sox situation. You're right, kufram, this is a storm of meaningless. And I really hate to see/read Sox fans baiting other Sox fans. Ozzie left on Monday; today is Friday - time to heal and move forward.

blandman
09-30-2011, 01:25 PM
And to the very end, you still don't understand what the beef is.

Neither do I, FWIW.

If I were Ozzie, I'd be more than livid the way this fanbase has blamed him for things completely out of his control. Ozzie wasn't blameless for this year, but he's certainly the least to blame. I'd have a lot more to say if I were him.

JB98
09-30-2011, 01:25 PM
He had a contract next year. He kept bitching about an extension. What do we expect? If he were a player, we'd expect him to honor his contract. We'd expect a little class. We'd expect him to be thankful to the organization for giving him his first shot at managing a team. We expect him to be proud for bringing the first WS championship in 88 years. Instead we get an arrogant little pissant spitting on the city and it's fans on the way out the door. **** Ozzie and his whole ****ed up family.

I'm just really glad Ozzie is gone. I've known for months he no longer wanted to manage the White Sox. For that reason, I ripped him at every opportunity possible here at WSI all season long. I took some heat from Ozzie's defenders, of course, but Ozzie deserved every ounce of criticism I gave him. I used to defend the guy, but his managerial skills showed a noticeable decline this year. He just didn't give a **** anymore. He should have been shown the door after the 11-22 start.

I think the truth is pretty obvious to everyone now. The White Sox organization, and Sox fans, are better off now that the Guillen Era is over.

SouthSideMike
09-30-2011, 01:34 PM
I wish I could say I'm surprised or shocked by these comments, but in the end this is who he is. He's a spiteful, vindictive, and crass individual. This man is about as far removed from the word class as you get. Nobody should be surprised by this behavior. He's the polar opposite of a guy like Mark Buehrle, who knows how to (potentially) leave a longtime situation the right way.

I for one am so glad the whole circus is over. The constant comments about the fans, the ultimatums and tantrums about his job security, and his embarrassing family are just plain tiring, especially when the results on the field are bad.

He can frankly say whatever he wants. I'm past his departure already; time to think about the next manager for our team.

chisoxjtrain
09-30-2011, 01:37 PM
I found this rather amusing:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6133/6197519109_f2608294aa_b.jpg

SI1020
09-30-2011, 01:47 PM
Thank you and thank you. These are my thoughts as well.

You're right, Chez, the exact same thing happened when Frank & the Sox divorced. Divorce is ugly as we are now seeing with the Ozzie-Sox situation. You're right, kufram, this is a storm of meaningless. And I really hate to see/read Sox fans baiting other Sox fans. Ozzie left on Monday; today is Friday - time to heal and move forward. I would have to respectfully disagree with you. This is one of the bitterest partings I have been witness to. In life or just baseball. Classless boor doesn't even begin to describe Ozzie's actions this year. Isn't there anyone to take him aside and tell him to just shut up and get on with his life? He has another great job and they won't make the boat big enough that he can't buy. Just be a man for crying out loud and let it go.

samurai_sox
09-30-2011, 02:20 PM
Good read on why Ozzie had to go,

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ycn-9625697

Marqhead
09-30-2011, 02:38 PM
Good read on why Ozzie had to go,

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ycn-9625697

First baseball title in 88 years, not 94. :scratch:

tstrike2000
09-30-2011, 02:38 PM
Ha. Real funny.

What do you expect the guy to say? He was quoted hundreds of times saying he wanted to be the Sox manager, yet they ran him out of of town.

:?:

GoGoCrede
09-30-2011, 03:04 PM
Ha. Real funny.

What do you expect the guy to say? He was quoted hundreds of times saying he wanted to be the Sox manager, yet they ran him out of of town.

Were you expecting sunshine and lollipops?

You really believe that he meant half of what he said in regards to being the manager? Everyone knew the Marlins deal was done even before he formally announced it - hell, even before he was formally out as Sox manager.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
09-30-2011, 03:15 PM
Ha. Real funny.

What do you expect the guy to say? He was quoted hundreds of times saying he wanted to be the Sox manager, yet they ran him out of of town.

Were you expecting sunshine and lollipops?

Yeah, if he was given a high-priced extension that he in no way deserved given the results of his last few years here. Also, what do you expect him to say while he was still here? "Man, this sucks, can't wait until I get fired so I can go to Miami and count my money?"

He also was quoted as saying he "didn't care" about baseball in Chicago. Can you see how this flies in the face of your claim here?

Can't wait to see the reaction from the "fanbase" when our next manager calls for bunts.

People got pissed when a) Alexei did the bunting, because he's a horrible bunter and b) the results of that bunt ended up taking the bat out of Paulie's hands, which happened on more than one occasion.

I doubt people here are vehemently opposed to the very idea of a sacrifice bunt...it was how Ozzie used it that pissed people off.

Frater Perdurabo
09-30-2011, 03:30 PM
"**** the ring."

How can anyone defend someone who says that?

Either Ozzie means it, or he doesn't mean it.

He's either a selfish prick who truly hates Sox fans, or he's so completely clueless that he doesn't know that saying something like that would be hurtful to Sox fans.

Either Ozzie himself is on fire, or his pants are on fire.

Either way, I won't piss on him to put out the fire.

I'll be pissing on his statue.