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johnnyg83
09-26-2011, 10:26 PM
I saw McEwing, LaRussa, Buddy Bell, Dave Martinez and Sandy Alomar Jr. on mlb.com

Mitch Williams said maybe Ryne Sandbeg on MLB TV

doublem23
09-26-2011, 10:28 PM
I'm just going to pray Theo is stupid enough to fire Francona if the Rays win the Wild Card. Probably 0% chance that happens, but I'm pretty stoked right now.

Tragg
09-26-2011, 10:31 PM
Buddy Bell...that sounds like someone off of Rogers' list. Gawd.

DSpivack
09-26-2011, 10:33 PM
I wouldn't mind Martinez. Alomar I wouldn't be surprised to see, either.

DumpJerry
09-26-2011, 10:36 PM
Mike Quade.

guillen4life13
09-26-2011, 10:37 PM
Jeff Torborg?

thomas35forever
09-26-2011, 10:41 PM
Dave Martinez

manders_01
09-26-2011, 10:43 PM
The real question in my mind is how long do we have to wait to find out? I personally would like to know sooner rather than later.

hi im skot
09-26-2011, 10:44 PM
Billy Heywood.

DSpivack
09-26-2011, 10:45 PM
Mike Quade.

As long as they're hiring an Evanstonian can they give me a job, too?

DumpJerry
09-26-2011, 10:45 PM
Robin Ventura.

DSpivack
09-26-2011, 10:46 PM
The real question in my mind is how long do we have to wait to find out? I personally would like to know sooner rather than later.

Eh, however long it takes. No need to rush, and if they're after Martinez as one option, as Mark Gonzales and others have mentioned, then they'll have to wait for the Rays to end the World Series first.

Corlose 15
09-26-2011, 10:48 PM
Joey Cora.

DSpivack
09-26-2011, 10:50 PM
Joey Cora.

I expect he'll go to Miami with Ozzie.

Corlose 15
09-26-2011, 10:51 PM
I expect he'll go to Miami with Ozzie.

Before tomorrow?

central44
09-26-2011, 10:52 PM
Martinez would be great. As would a guy like Fisk, although I don't see that happening.

I'm conflicted if i'd want them to consider Sandberg or not. Not because he was a Cub, just because i'm not sure if he's as good as they say he is, or if the Tribune overrated the hell out of him when he was presumed to be the next Cubs manager.

Still though, if they're going to go with someone unproven as people have speculated, these all seem like good names to consider.

TheOldRoman
09-26-2011, 10:55 PM
Hopefully we can swing Tom Emansky as hitting coach.

Rocky Soprano
09-26-2011, 10:56 PM
Hahn! He can do it all!

mahagga73
09-26-2011, 10:58 PM
Martinez,has learned how to manage a club with a pitiful payroll with great results.

kaufsox
09-26-2011, 10:59 PM
Sandy Alomar Jr. is intruiging, and I have to admit, Ryne Sandberg is too. So far he has been quite good in the minors and I think he will get a shot in the majors pretty soon.

doublem23
09-26-2011, 11:00 PM
Hahn! He can do it all!

:thumbsup:

CHISOXFAN13
09-26-2011, 11:00 PM
Martinez would probably be my choice. I'm also on the McEwing and Sandberg bandwagons.

Viva Medias B's
09-26-2011, 11:01 PM
Aaron Rowand. Right now, I'd say Dave Martinez is my frontrunner. I don't think TLR will come back here, and I would not want TLR to come back here.

DSpivack
09-26-2011, 11:01 PM
Before tomorrow?

:redface:

No, well played.

Mohoney
09-26-2011, 11:03 PM
Davey Martinez :praying:

SoxSpeed22
09-26-2011, 11:06 PM
Dave Martinez or Sandy Alomar, I would be cool with. I think Sandy's the manager-in-waiting for Cleveland. I want Dino Ebel from Anaheim, but I doubt we will even give him a look. Retread managers have actually done pretty well with other teams, so we will have to see about that too.

doublem23
09-26-2011, 11:08 PM
I would not want TLR to come back here.

Me neither, already too many drunk drivers in this town

southwstchi4life
09-26-2011, 11:08 PM
Can anyone see ryan sandberg?

palehozenychicty
09-26-2011, 11:10 PM
I think it's Martinez or Alomar Jr. Sandberg would be really intriguing, but I don't see it. I think he needs a couple more years.

sullythered
09-26-2011, 11:17 PM
We should get Dave Martinez to manage and Ryne Sandberg as a bench coach... Oh, wait...

hi im skot
09-26-2011, 11:18 PM
Can anyone see ryan sandberg?

Nope, but maybe Ryne Sandberg.

DSpivack
09-26-2011, 11:20 PM
Before tomorrow?

You are correct!

Per Mark Gonzales on Twitter, Joey Cora will manage the final two games.

jdm2662
09-26-2011, 11:20 PM
I would be happy with Dave Martinez. He's been Joe Madden's right hand man for a while.

Corlose 15
09-26-2011, 11:23 PM
You are correct!

Per Mark Gonzales on Twitter, Joey Cora will manage the final two games.

Well we can close this thread then since I correctly answered the question. :cool:

ChicagoG19
09-26-2011, 11:26 PM
Robin Ventura.

This would be the greatest hire ever! My favorite Sox player of all time.

DirtySox
09-26-2011, 11:27 PM
Dave Martinez please.

SOXandILLINI
09-26-2011, 11:29 PM
Lou Brown... Tire sales are slow

DrCrawdad
09-26-2011, 11:34 PM
Mike Quade.

Well, Quade does post the lineups for upcoming games early...

(That was an oft repeated storyline about Quade coming into the 2011 season.)

Can anyone see ryan sandberg?

No, I've never seen Ryne Sandberg, but I did see Ron Kittle on the 200 level of The Cell getting on a elevator after the game tonight...

1989
09-26-2011, 11:38 PM
Hopefully the Red Sox gag and miss out on the playoffs so that there remains the slightest possibility they fire Francona. If they do, Tito's definitely my guy.

Otherwise Dave Martinez.

soxfanreggie
09-27-2011, 12:19 AM
Martinez would probably be my choice. I'm also on the McEwing and Sandberg bandwagons.

We'd have to find a new # for him though since his #14 with the Sox is taken by someone else. :D:

WhiteSox5187
09-27-2011, 12:28 AM
I would be curious to see if either Ryne Sandberg or Sandy Alomar would be interested. One of the advantages with Sandberg is that I think he would really be able to help out Beckham. It would be fantastic on so many levels if the Sox hired Sandberg and won with him.

soxfanreggie
09-27-2011, 12:30 AM
I would be curious to see if either Ryne Sandberg or Sandy Alomar would be interested. One of the advantages with Sandberg is that I think he would really be able to help out Beckham. It would be fantastic on so many levels if the Sox hired Sandberg and won with him.

I think he'd be interested in coming back. He'd be back in Chicago, but he wouldn't have to deal with losing with his HOF team if he can't get it done. He could also stick it to the Cubs for passing him over.

Mohoney
09-27-2011, 12:37 AM
I'm just going to pray Theo is stupid enough to fire Francona if the Rays win the Wild Card. Probably 0% chance that happens, but I'm pretty stoked right now.

Meh. We would need to find 2 'roided up freaks to put up thousand OPS marks in the 3-4 spots in the lineup. That's the only way Francona won.

Ditto LaRussa. Never won anything without a juicer doing the heavy lifting.

Nelson Foxtrot
09-27-2011, 12:46 AM
I hope Kenny interviews numerous candidates and decides who fits best with his vision for the team. Don Mattingly was considered a shoe-in for the Yankees job until Brian Cashman questioned him about a wide variety of issues relating to managing, and decided that this wasn't the guy he wanted. Maybe that's perceived as crazy by some, but I think it's important to have the manager and GM on the same page.

There was a story being discussed here a couple months ago that KW had contacted three former managers about the job and one had told Ozzie about it. Did we ever find out if that really happened and if so, who the managers were?

thomas35forever
09-27-2011, 12:56 AM
Initial reports say Bell is at the top of Kenny's list. Not sure I'd want him as his track record isn't very good.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/7896/bell-tops-candidates-for-white-sox-manager-job?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

sullythered
09-27-2011, 01:00 AM
Initial reports say Bell is at the top of Kenny's list. Not sure I'd want him as his track record isn't very good.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/7896/bell-tops-candidates-for-white-sox-manager-job?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Seriously? Buddy ****ing Bell? If that happens, it's a joke. Why not Dave Martinez, who is very highly thought of around baseball, and has some history with the team? Or Sandberg? Or Sandy Alomar, even?

It had better not be Buddy Bell.

Noneck
09-27-2011, 01:02 AM
Initial reports say Bell is at the top of Kenny's list. Not sure I'd want him as his track record isn't very good.


If I had the opportunity to place a wager on who I thought would be next years Sox manager, I would put a few bucks on Bell.

doublem23
09-27-2011, 01:04 AM
Seriously? Buddy ****ing Bell? If that happens, it's a joke. Why not Dave Martinez, who is very highly thought of around baseball, and has some history with the team? Or Sandberg? Or Sandy Alomar, even?

It had better not be Buddy Bell.

Meh, when KW hired Ozzie, he chose him over the "consensus baseball-guy pick," Cito Gaston, who had a ton of managerial street cred and a pair of World Series rings under his belt. Moving forward, what the Sox need more than anything is a guy who will share in KW's vision to rebuild this club. If that guy is Dave Martinez, fine. If that guy is Buddy Bell, fine. The Sox can't afford to have their on-field and general manager fight proxy wars over their conflicting baseball ideology any longer.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 01:08 AM
Meh, when KW hired Ozzie, he chose him over the "consensus baseball-guy pick," Cito Gaston, who had a ton of managerial street cred and a pair of World Series rings under his belt. Moving forward, what the Sox need more than anything is a guy who will share in KW's vision to rebuild this club. If that guy is Dave Martinez, fine. If that guy is Buddy Bell, fine. The Sox can't afford to have their on-field and general manager fight proxy wars over their conflicting baseball ideology any longer.
Actually, I want the best baseball guy, so when Kenny gets fired, we won't be totally lost. I know I don't want retread failure Buddy Bell.

SoxSpeed22
09-27-2011, 01:09 AM
I would rather keep Bell where he is.

Noneck
09-27-2011, 01:12 AM
Actually, I want the best baseball guy, so when Kenny gets fired, we won't be totally lost. I know I don't want retread failure Buddy Bell.

Williams get fired? Why would a GM get fired AFTER he is involved in making a huge decision for the organization?

doublem23
09-27-2011, 01:15 AM
Actually, I want the best baseball guy, so when Kenny gets fired, we won't be totally lost. I know I don't want retread failure Buddy Bell.

And why would any budding managerial prospect take the Sox job knowing it could easily be a 1-and-done type deal? Sure, it's nice to dream that some hotshot up and coming manager will come here and salvage the Sox, but that's unlikely. Now that the Sox are finally rid of Ozzie's incessantly moronic NL-style managing, it's up to KW to earn his keep, I'm fully fine with him being under the gun in 2012, and if that means he's got to find a guy willing to work in tandem with him, I don't care. I don't want him making decisions thinking how would this new guy look as the manager in 2017, I want him focused solely on 2012.

PKalltheway
09-27-2011, 02:18 AM
Omar Vizquel, player-manager?

Seriously, they can bring in whoever the hell they want, as long as the Sox win. Personally, I'd rather not have LaRussa, but if he's the guy, so be it.

October26
09-27-2011, 05:40 AM
Seriously? Buddy ****ing Bell? If that happens, it's a joke. Why not Dave Martinez, who is very highly thought of around baseball, and has some history with the team? Or Sandberg? Or Sandy Alomar, even?

It had better not be Buddy Bell.

I hope I'm reading this wrong since I slept just a few hours after all of the craziness that went on last night.

Buddy Bell is the leading candidate to be next Sox manager? :puking::puking::puking:

Zisk77
09-27-2011, 06:39 AM
Initial reports say Bell is at the top of Kenny's list. Not sure I'd want him as his track record isn't very good.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/7896/bell-tops-candidates-for-white-sox-manager-job?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Considering how crappy the teams were that Bell took over, I would say his track record is irrelevant.

balke
09-27-2011, 06:54 AM
Adam Dunn. We need a lefty with power to balance out the coaching staff.

russ99
09-27-2011, 07:00 AM
If Jerry's serious about competing, he'll wait until the playoffs are over and grab a late fire from another competing team.

Francona would be the best but I'm not convinced the Red Sox are letting him go.

If it's a minor league guy, Jerry's usual el-cheapo special or La Russa, good luck.

KW's wishes are irrelevant. He's on the way out too. Maybe not this winter, but soon.

kingpin_rcs
09-27-2011, 07:01 AM
I'm probably asking for it but - Bobby Valentine?

Baines
09-27-2011, 07:05 AM
Dave Martinez to the Sox. Ryne Sandberg to the Cubs.

The BP would then be a classic!

Bucky F. Dent
09-27-2011, 07:06 AM
Dave Martinez......or, my darkhorse since he was hired as a consultant earlier in the year, Robin Ventura.

The Dude
09-27-2011, 07:14 AM
I expect he'll go to Miami with Ozzie.

I hope so!!

The Dude
09-27-2011, 07:17 AM
I hope so!!

I guess I can change my sig:gulp:

Viva Medias B's
09-27-2011, 07:20 AM
Whoever the next manager is, I hope Reinsdorf names him instead of Williams. You know, that happened at the end of the 2003 season which was the last time we had a managerial vacancy.

wassagstdu
09-27-2011, 07:38 AM
Moving forward, what the Sox need more than anything is a guy who will share in KW's vision to rebuild this club. If that guy is Dave Martinez, fine. If that guy is Buddy Bell, fine. The Sox can't afford to have their on-field and general manager fight proxy wars over their conflicting baseball ideology any longer.

Wow. KW's vision looks like a nightmare to me. But you are right, no good having a manager who will undercut his vision by actually playing the stiffs he brings in.

soxinem1
09-27-2011, 07:38 AM
I doubt LaRussa comes here with KW as his boss, so I'd scratch that one.

Buddy Bell unfairly takes a lot of heat for having crappy records with crappy rosters, however I'm not sure he is the right guy. After all, if he is so big on teaching fundamentals, how come this team has so little of them?

Sandberg and Alomar are both intriguing, however I would have to say Dave Martinez has to be a logical choice.

Williams stated last night he was already working on his list before Ozzie's departure.

If his candidate is in house, or on a team about to go home for the year, we could have a new manager soon.

If it is Martinez, then we will have to wait until TB is done, be it Thursday or in another month.

asindc
09-27-2011, 07:39 AM
For those clamoring for Francona, you might want to search "fire Terry Francona." You'll find many of the same complaints about Ozzie mentioned on various websites about Francona.

eriqjaffe
09-27-2011, 08:09 AM
Really, this just paves the way for Greg Walker to take over.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
09-27-2011, 08:23 AM
Really, this just paves the way for Greg Walker to take over.

Even in teal, that made me :chunks:

Procol Harum
09-27-2011, 08:49 AM
:everett:

Carl Everett--there can be no other...

TheOldRoman
09-27-2011, 08:55 AM
Ditto LaRussa. Never won anything without a juicer doing the heavy lifting.So... do you know anything we don't about Pujols or are you just making stuff up?

hi im skot
09-27-2011, 08:59 AM
For what it's worth, Sox beat writer Brett Ballantini (http://twitter.com/#%21/CSNChi_Beatnik) doesn't think that Buddy Bell, Sandberg or La Russa are legitimate candidates for manager.

TaylorStSox
09-27-2011, 09:04 AM
I'm going with Mace Windu or Wolverine.

DirtySox
09-27-2011, 09:14 AM
Stoney was just on the Score. Seems to think Alomar will be the guy. Also noted Martinez and Bell.

Rocky Soprano
09-27-2011, 09:15 AM
Steve Stone was on 670 this morning and he said he believes that Martinez, Alomar, and Bell are the front runners.

He was asked about Sandberg and he believes he has a shot as well but is not a front runner.

SOXSINCE'70
09-27-2011, 09:15 AM
Please don't bring back Berry Tevington.

No teal implied.

Bobby Thigpen
09-27-2011, 09:51 AM
Meh. We would need to find 2 'roided up freaks to put up thousand OPS marks in the 3-4 spots in the lineup. That's the only way Francona won.

Ditto LaRussa. Never won anything without a juicer doing the heavy lifting.
Ah yes...

The old "he never won anything without- insert reason (roider, stud players, blah blah)" line of thinking.

If only we could find a guy who could win the World Series with a marginal lineup.

Oh wait, that guy just left.

24thStFan
09-27-2011, 09:56 AM
Let's dream big - Joe Maddon!

He deserves to manage a big market team, so let's act like one and make him an offer he can't refuse.

peelwonder
09-27-2011, 10:00 AM
Please don't bring back Berry Tevington.

No teal implied.


Who is Berry Tevington?

skobabe8
09-27-2011, 10:15 AM
Let's dream big - Joe Maddon!

He deserves to manage a big market team, so let's act like one and make him an offer he can't refuse.


That would be great...except that he has a better team where he currently is.

SOXandILLINI
09-27-2011, 10:16 AM
Who is Berry Tevington?

You're kidding, right?

soltrain21
09-27-2011, 10:20 AM
Ah yes...

The old "he never won anything without- insert reason (roider, stud players, blah blah)" line of thinking.

If only we could find a guy who could win the World Series with a marginal lineup.

Oh wait, that guy just left.

We won because our pitching was out of this world that year.

SOXandILLINI
09-27-2011, 10:28 AM
We won because our pitching was out of this world that year.

And the sword cuts both ways my friends, we were prohibitive favorites to repeat anf failed to make the playoffs and have been odds on faves to win the division the vast majority of the years since 05, how'd that work out?

DSpivack
09-27-2011, 10:36 AM
Ah yes...

The old "he never won anything without- insert reason (roider, stud players, blah blah)" line of thinking.

If only we could find a guy who could win the World Series with a marginal lineup.

Oh wait, that guy just left.

Casey, how did you do it? How did you win the World Series?

Stengel: I couldn't have done it without the players.

slavko
09-27-2011, 10:43 AM
AJ Pierzynski. I'm not totally joking.

CHISOXFAN13
09-27-2011, 10:46 AM
We won because our pitching was out of this world that year.

The offense was also very good. The Sox hit a **** ton of homers in October 2005.

shes
09-27-2011, 10:56 AM
Can anyone see ryan sandberg?

Imagine if Sandberg became our manager and won a World Series here. How heartbreaking would that be for Cub fans to experience? I would almost feel bad for them.

AzureJazzMan
09-27-2011, 11:27 AM
What I would love is to see "Big Frank" named the new hitting coach, Robin Ventura as the bench coach, Jack McDowell as the bullpen coach, bring back Tim Raines as 3rd Base Coach. Keep Harold as 1st base coach, Coop as the pitching coach, and Dave Martinez (ideally Carlton Fisk) as our Manager.

I know that it's a bit cornball and fanboy-ish, I like the idea of a familial coaching staff with strong ties to the past.

hi im skot
09-27-2011, 11:27 AM
What I would love is to see "Big Frank" named the new hitting coach, Robin Ventura as the bench coach, Jack McDowell as the bullpen coach, bring back Tim Raines as 3rd Base Coach. Keep Harold as 1st base coach, Coop as the pitching coach, and Dave Martinez (ideally Carlton Fisk) as our Manager.

I know that it's a bit cornball and fanboy-ish, I like the idea of a familial coaching staff with strong ties to the past.

It's gonna suck when people start getting fired.

jdm2662
09-27-2011, 11:31 AM
What I would love is to see "Big Frank" named the new hitting coach, Robin Ventura as the bench coach, Jack McDowell as the bullpen coach, bring back Tim Raines as 3rd Base Coach. Keep Harold as 1st base coach, Coop as the pitching coach, and Dave Martinez (ideally Carlton Fisk) as our Manager.

I know that it's a bit cornball and fanboy-ish, I like the idea of a familial coaching staff with strong ties to the past.

Been there, done that. The Sox need some outside people, and less people from the good ol boys club.

SCCWS
09-27-2011, 11:37 AM
Seems to be a lot of support for Dave Martinez and he is certainly a solid candidate. But Jim Hickey has done great things with the Tampa pitching staff through the years. Maybe he would be a better choice???

russ99
09-27-2011, 11:39 AM
The offense was also very good. The Sox hit a **** ton of homers in October 2005.

Not to mention that huge division lead was built on small ball and lots of aggressive baserunning.

russ99
09-27-2011, 11:39 AM
AJ Pierzynski. I'm not totally joking.

If we're going that route, why not Omar?

soltrain21
09-27-2011, 11:43 AM
Not to mention that huge division lead was built on small ball and lots of aggressive baserunning.

...200 homeruns isn't exactly small ball. The team had situational hitters, sure. But to act like our offense was because of small ball and aggressive base running is, well, false.

soxinem1
09-27-2011, 11:46 AM
Seems to be a lot of support for Dave Martinez and he is certainly a solid candidate. But Jim Hickey has done great things with the Tampa pitching staff through the years. Maybe he would be a better choice???

He also won the 1985 Crosstown Classic. :smile:

Please don't bring back Berry Tevington.

No teal implied.

Is he related to former White Sox manager Terry Bevington?

doublem23
09-27-2011, 11:47 AM
...200 homeruns isn't exactly small ball. The team had situational hitters, sure. But to act like our offense was because of small ball and aggressive base running is, well, false.

That team was just good. There's no mystery to it, they could do a lot of things; we had good situational hitters, we had some speed, and we had some big bats. It was a very balanced offense that could win in a lot of ways. Throw in some good starting pitching and some insane bullpen pitching and it's just elementary. Ozzie managed the hell out of that team, too, he was the right guy at the right time. But it's been 6 full seasons since then with only 1 play-off win to show for in that time. The time is just right for everyone.

#1swisher
09-27-2011, 11:59 AM
scottmerkin

Put the interim White Sox manager for the next two days
back at TBA

doublem23
09-27-2011, 12:05 PM
scottmerkin

Put the interim White Sox manager for the next two days
back at TBA

I mean... I'll do it for like $200/game.

#1swisher
09-27-2011, 12:06 PM
I mean... I'll do it for like $200/game.

Suit up! :smile:

AzureJazzMan
09-27-2011, 12:07 PM
It's gonna suck when people start getting fired.

(sigh) Yeah, I know...

Hitmen77
09-27-2011, 12:11 PM
scottmerkin

Put the interim White Sox manager for the next two days
back at TBA

Meaning Cora's gone as of yesterday too.

Maybe Harold Baines will be the interim manager for these last 2 meaningless games.

GlassSox
09-27-2011, 12:21 PM
I mean... I'll do it for like $200/game.

Sold but no f bombs. :D:

skobabe8
09-27-2011, 12:33 PM
That team was just good. There's no mystery to it, they could do a lot of things; we had good situational hitters, we had some speed, and we had some big bats. It was a very balanced offense that could win in a lot of ways. Throw in some good starting pitching and some insane bullpen pitching and it's just elementary. Ozzie managed the hell out of that team, too, he was the right guy at the right time. But it's been 6 full seasons since then with only 1 play-off win to show for in that time. The time is just right for everyone.

BINGO.

I hate when people say "They hit 200 HRs" or "They played small ball" because THEY DID BOTH! There were plenty of games where they hit the ball out of the ballpark, but there were also plenty of games when they didn't and had to scratch across one or two runs and let the pitching do the work. Thats why that team was so great...Balanced and can beat you in different ways.

Noneck
09-27-2011, 12:36 PM
I mean... I'll do it for like $200/game.


I hope you mean you'll be paying them 200 bucks a game.

doublem23
09-27-2011, 12:41 PM
I hope you mean you'll be paying them 200 bucks a game.

Hell no, at that rate, I'd still be making way less than Ozzie ever did and I promise I won't ask Alexei to bunt.

34 Inch Stick
09-27-2011, 12:47 PM
I'm intrigued by the possibility of Sandy Alomar Jr with his brother as the bench/defensive coach.

downstairs
09-27-2011, 12:48 PM
Hawk Harrelson as manager/GM.

Noneck
09-27-2011, 12:59 PM
Hell no, at that rate, I'd still be making way less than Ozzie ever did and I promise I won't ask Alexei to bunt.

Pay 200 for the job and then stubhub it. Youll make a sweet profit.

October26
09-27-2011, 01:04 PM
I'm listening to XM Radio station #89 (MLB Radio) where they are about to interview Interim Sox Manager, Don Cooper.

#1swisher
09-27-2011, 01:05 PM
Cooper is the interim manager!

ChrisRongey

Will certainly be a strange night on the south side. Cooper managing
#whitesox, maybe Buehrle's last Sox start

asindc
09-27-2011, 01:06 PM
I'm intrigued by the possibility of Sandy Alomar Jr with his brother as the bench/defensive coach.

I was thinking earlier that one of the benefits to getting Sandy Alomar, Jr. is that he could possibly persuade his brother to join the coaching staff.

Tragg
09-27-2011, 01:11 PM
We just had a manager and hitting coach who absolutely swung at everything as players, and delivered teams that did the same. Coincidence? maybe.

Now we want as a manager a player (Sandy Alomar) whose discipline was such that it made Greg Walker look like Frank Thomas as a hitter?

Pass.

sullythered
09-27-2011, 01:41 PM
We just had a manager and hitting coach who absolutely swung at everything as players, and delivered teams that did the same. Coincidence? maybe.

Now we want as a manager a player (Sandy Alomar) whose discipline was such that it made Greg Walker look like Frank Thomas as a hitter?

Pass.

As a player, Terry Francona had a worse OBP than Alomar, and his team just led the league in that category.

I don't think it really matters.

Lamp81
09-27-2011, 01:48 PM
Not only will Cooper manage the rest of the season, Dan Bernstein just said on the Score that he may be getting an interview for the full time job.

Can you imagine Coop as manager? I have a hard time seeing it.

guillensdisciple
09-27-2011, 01:50 PM
Walker was fired too right? Just want to make sure.

Foulke You
09-27-2011, 01:56 PM
Walker was fired too right? Just want to make sure.
The only coach offered a contract for next year was Don Cooper so Walker is gone, yes.

Tragg
09-27-2011, 02:05 PM
As a player, Terry Francona had a worse OBP than Alomar, and his team just led the league in that category.

I don't think it really matters.
Maybe not.
But what are Alomar's credentials for being manager? 2 seasons as Indians first base coach.

The Immigrant
09-27-2011, 02:08 PM
The only coach offered a contract for next year was Don Cooper so Walker is gone, yes.

Can someone send a text telling him not to show up tonight?

Harry Chappas
09-27-2011, 02:11 PM
Not only will Cooper manage the rest of the season, Dan Bernstein just said on the Score that he may be getting an interview for the full time job.

Can you imagine Coop as manager? I have a hard time seeing it.

I want no part of Coop as manager. My guess is that they'll throw his name in the ring as a professional courtesy and nothing more.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other but it seems like the consensus in this thread is that Dave Martinez would be a solid hire. I remember him as a player, but didn't even know he was coaching (I suffer from White Sox myopia). Aside from being with a great team, is there things specifically about him that would make him a good hire?

thomas35forever
09-27-2011, 02:12 PM
MLB Network will have something about this on The Rundown after their current commercial break.

Rocky Soprano
09-27-2011, 02:21 PM
I was hoping for Fredi Gonzalez after he was let go by the Marlins.
Anyone know if he is still under contract after this season?
I'm pretty sure he is.

#1swisher
09-27-2011, 02:31 PM
Steve Stone thoughts on the future field manager.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/27/stone-i-think-alomar-is-the-guy/

ShoelessJoeS
09-27-2011, 02:41 PM
After sharing a bench with Joe Maddon for the past couple of years, you gotta go with Dave Martinez, right?

Nellie_Fox
09-27-2011, 03:43 PM
I want no part of Coop as manager. Why?

After sharing a bench with Joe Maddon for the past couple of years, you gotta go with Dave Martinez, right?Ozzie shared a bench with McKeon.

Daver
09-27-2011, 03:46 PM
Ozzie shared a bench with McKeon.

And Bobby Cox. You'd think he would have learned a little class from his time with Trader Jack.

C-Dawg
09-27-2011, 03:53 PM
Nine pages of posts and no one has mentioned Mike Singletary?

dickallen15
09-27-2011, 04:09 PM
Steve Stone thoughts on the future field manager.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/27/stone-i-think-alomar-is-the-guy/
That is my thought as well. I will be shocked if its anyone but him.

DirtySox
09-27-2011, 05:19 PM
MDGonzales Mark Gonzales
KW says Bell not interested in mgr job
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CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen
Kenny: buddy bell not a candidate
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Rocky Soprano
09-27-2011, 05:29 PM
MDGonzales Mark Gonzales
KW says Bell not interested in mgr job
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CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen
Kenny: buddy bell not a candidate
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Interesting.
I think Sandy is who Kenny and JR want.

DirtySox
09-27-2011, 05:30 PM
Interesting.
I think Sandy is who Kenny and JR want.

Same. I'd prefer Martinez, but Sandy would be adequate in my opinion.

slavko
09-27-2011, 05:31 PM
Not only will Cooper manage the rest of the season, Dan Bernstein just said on the Score that he may be getting an interview for the full time job.

Can you imagine Coop as manager? I have a hard time seeing it.

He was the de facto bench coach in 2005. He and Ozzie would be in intense discussions during a game and Baines would be at the other end of the dugout. Does he have the personality you want in a manager......

DirtySox
09-27-2011, 06:08 PM
CSNChi_Beatnik Brett Ballantini
Tea leaves into KW's comments about mgr points more to Davey than Sandy, as he addresses need to wait if guy's involved in playoffs.
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WSox597
09-27-2011, 06:21 PM
Hawk Harrelson as manager/GM.

Please God, no. They tried him as GM before, remember?

It didn't work out too well. Carlton Fisk playing LF?

Lamp81
09-27-2011, 06:26 PM
IIRC, Guillen's interview was only supposed to be a courtesy interview for a former player who was a 3rd base coach for 3 years under Torborg and McKeon.

Ozzie then blew KW and JR away in the interview and they offered him the job. I think Cito Gaston was the front runner.

Maybe a guy out of left field, will come and do this again, in his interview. And by out of left field, I don't mean Juan Pierre.

ilsox7
09-27-2011, 06:27 PM
IIRC, Guillen's interview was only supposed to be a courtesy interview for a former player who was a 3rd base coach for 3 years under Torborg and McKeon.

Ozzie then blew KW and JR away in the interview and they offered him the job. I think Cito Gaston was the front runner.

I think that was just the media's story.

Boondock Saint
09-27-2011, 06:33 PM
Hawk Harrelson as manager/GM.

NotHawk's Twitter campaign for manager is funny as hell, and worth a look-see if you haven't checked it out yet.

ShooterMcGavin
09-28-2011, 05:36 AM
Sandy Alomar Jr. might be a great fit for the Sox.

KnightSox
09-28-2011, 06:09 AM
Please God, no. They tried him as GM before, remember?

It didn't work out too well. Carlton Fisk playing LF?We are all entitled to a second chance to show that we have learned from our mistakes.

October26
09-28-2011, 07:34 AM
Sandy Alomar Jr. might be a great fit for the Sox.

I'm curious what makes you think this?

Also wanted to say that I'm so grateful to Don Cooper, Sox Interim Manager, for stepping up and taking the helm after the nasty Ozzie-Kenny divorce which took place over the last 36 hours.

Coop has shown that he does want to stay with the Sox and I'm so happy about this. I personally want Coop to remain the Sox pitching coach; not sure who the best choice is to be the next Sox manager?

harwar
09-28-2011, 07:59 AM
Sandy Alomar Jr. might be a great fit for the Sox.

he definitely had a great head for the game when he was playing and always had the rep of having a high baseball iq and being a good clubhouse guy .. i hope it's either Dave Martinez or Sandy Alomar Jr.

asindc
09-28-2011, 08:03 AM
I think it will come down to which one can be signed for less. I prefer Martinez, but I would be happy with Alomar, Jr., especially if he involves his brother in a meaningful way.

dwalteroo
09-28-2011, 11:07 AM
I wonder what you guys think of this idea. I am not much of a Cubs fan, but I have to say I respect not only what Sandberg had to say at his HOF induction, but the way he's managed in the minors thus far. Would be interesting to say the least!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/868244-chicago-white-sox-would-they-dare-call-on-ryne-sandberg-to-manage

russ99
09-28-2011, 11:28 AM
I'm not keen on Alomar, he's been a catching instructor for two years and first base coach under underwhelming manager Manny Acta for two years.

I'd prefer someone who's managed before, or lacking that someone who's worked closely with a good manager, like Dave Martinez.

jdm2662
09-28-2011, 11:29 AM
I wonder what you guys think of this idea. I am not much of a Cubs fan, but I have to say I respect not only what Sandberg had to say at his HOF induction, but the way he's managed in the minors thus far. Would be interesting to say the least!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/868244-chicago-white-sox-would-they-dare-call-on-ryne-sandberg-to-manage

If you interview him, and you determine he is the best fit, then you hire him.

I, for some reason, watched CTL last night. Don't know why I did. Well, the first segment was fine. It was about Ozzie, and most all felt the same way, he had a nice tenure, but time to move on.

The second segement was who should the Sox hire next. Phil Rogers gave out his list of suggestions he wrote earlier in the paper. Of course, Cubbie Loving Tool Kaplan was all over Sandberg, who could you hire a Cub legend?? The guys on the panel essentially called Kaplan a moron (which isn't hard to do). You would hire Sandberg if and only if, he was the best candidate you interviewed. Period. Personally, he would probably better served to manage in the NL should the opportunity comes.

Nellie_Fox
09-28-2011, 11:32 AM
Please God, no. They tried him as GM before, remember?

It didn't work out too well. Carlton Fisk playing LF?Wait, I'm getting confused. I've been assured that "IT'S ****ING LEFT FIELD!" and that you can stick anybody out there and be "just fine."

Domeshot17
09-28-2011, 11:34 AM
If we are rebuilding, I am totally down with Sandberg as the manager. I would also like to see Ventura take over as hitting coach or bench coach, although that is a longer shot I think.

doublem23
09-28-2011, 11:35 AM
Wait, I'm getting confused. I've been assured that "IT'S ****ING LEFT FIELD!" and that you can stick anybody out there and be "just fine."

Oh definitely, a 30-something guy who has caught 1,000s of games in his career against a 22-year-old. Same ****ing thing. Exact same.

Nellie_Fox
09-28-2011, 11:46 AM
Oh definitely, a 30-something guy who has caught 1,000s of games in his career against a 22-year-old. Same ****ing thing. Exact same.You mean like Yogi Berra?

TheOldRoman
09-28-2011, 11:46 AM
I don't know anything of Sandburg's credentials. It seems to me like a lot of others are pulling for him despite not knowing either. He has only managed in the minors for a couple of years and he has no Major League bench experience. It just seems to me like the only thing which makes him a "rising star" is the fact that he's a hall of fame player. If he impresses in his interview, fine. At this point, I would prefer Martinez or Alomar.

downstairs
09-28-2011, 12:12 PM
Please God, no. They tried him as GM before, remember?

It didn't work out too well. Carlton Fisk playing LF?

Your sarcasm meter needs re-calibration. :cool:

Domeshot17
09-28-2011, 12:17 PM
I don't know anything of Sandburg's credentials. It seems to me like a lot of others are pulling for him despite not knowing either. He has only managed in the minors for a couple of years and he has no Major League bench experience. It just seems to me like the only thing which makes him a "rising star" is the fact that he's a hall of fame player. If he impresses in his interview, fine. At this point, I would prefer Martinez or Alomar.

I have several reasons for liking Sandberg. The first, I think if we are going to rebuild or go younger, the fact he has been well regarded in his minor league managerial experience is good. He seemed to do well in developing guys along, and the Cubs do not show that well because they really paid a price for Garza. I also think from a Marketing perspective it is brilliant. You have a lot of Cub fans who are angry right now, and hate Quade. If the Sox can get in and steal a cubs icon, I think you would see a lot of the fair-weather fans drift to the South Side. Finally, I think he could be the right guy to mentor and turn around Gordon. If we rebuild, then we need Beckham to develop and become a leader, it is a must to succeed. He is a borderline total bust right now, but I think the right coaches and manager could turn him around.

AZChiSoxFan
09-28-2011, 12:38 PM
Hopefully we can swing Tom Emansky as hitting coach.

LOL. Well played.

DSpivack
09-28-2011, 12:55 PM
I don't know anything of Sandburg's credentials. It seems to me like a lot of others are pulling for him despite not knowing either. He has only managed in the minors for a couple of years and he has no Major League bench experience. It just seems to me like the only thing which makes him a "rising star" is the fact that he's a hall of fame player. If he impresses in his interview, fine. At this point, I would prefer Martinez or Alomar.

Carl Sandburg would be an interesting hire, if he wasn't long dead. I don't know how a zombie poet would be as manager, though I would worry the other players would be infected and become zombies, as well. Although some would say some of our players this year looked like zombies out there.

I'm not keen on Alomar, he's been a catching instructor for two years and first base coach under underwhelming manager Manny Acta for two years.

I'd prefer someone who's managed before, or lacking that someone who's worked closely with a good manager, like Dave Martinez.

I don't know that Acta is that underwhelming, I think he did a fine job with a not very talented Nationals squad and did very well this season with the Indians.

Tragg
09-28-2011, 01:04 PM
Sandy Alomar Jr. might be a great fit for the Sox.

Why?

2 years as first base coach for a bad/mediocre team.

TheOldRoman
09-28-2011, 01:08 PM
Carl Sandburg would be an interesting hire, if he wasn't long dead. I don't know how a zombie poet would be as manager, though I would worry the other players would be infected and become zombies, as well. Although some would say some of our players this year looked like zombies out there.
:redface: Damnit.

DSpivack
09-28-2011, 01:11 PM
:redface: Damnit.

Pointing out the misspelling would have been boring. I opted for a joke, even if only I find it funny. :wink:

RCWHITESOX
09-28-2011, 10:43 PM
I saw McEwing, LaRussa, Buddy Bell, Dave Martinez and Sandy Alomar Jr. on mlb.com

Mitch Williams said maybe Ryne Sandbeg on MLB TV

My first choice would be Sandberg the complete opposite of Guillen which I believe is just what this team needs now. My second choice would be Cooper,

A. Cavatica
09-28-2011, 10:59 PM
Minnie Minoso's time has come.

Lamp81
09-28-2011, 11:03 PM
For awhile now, I have been in favor of removing former Sox players from the Front Office and Coaching staffs. That would mean that KW and Baines would have to go.

The Sox need fresh ideas instead of people that JR us loyal to, and doesn't want to fire, when the time comes (Greg Walker).

Therefore, I am open to the idea of Sandberg or Joe McEwing, or Terry Francona (if he is released by the Red Sox).

A. Cavatica
09-28-2011, 11:40 PM
Terry Francona's been tanking games all season because he wanted the White Sox job.

doublem23
09-28-2011, 11:47 PM
Therefore, I am open to the idea of Sandberg or Joe McEwing, or Terry Francona (if he is released by the Red Sox).

McEwing and Francona have ties to the organization, too.

JB98
09-28-2011, 11:52 PM
Would Boston be stupid enough to dump Francona? If so, he'd have more than one suitor.

If the Sox really are intending to start a rebuilding phase, Francona's not the guy.

doublem23
09-28-2011, 11:53 PM
Would Boston be stupid enough to dump Francona? If so, he'd have more than one suitor.

If the Sox really are intending to start a rebuilding phase, Francona's not the guy.

So then let's just skip the rebuilding phase and just get good again.

KMcMahon817
09-29-2011, 12:10 AM
So then let's just skip the rebuilding phase and just get good again.

I like your style.

hawkjt
09-29-2011, 01:11 AM
Alomar was a catcher,and catchers make good managers.
Martinez was schooled by Maddon,who is good.

Either guy probably fits the bill.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
09-29-2011, 03:44 AM
So then let's just skip the rebuilding phase and just get good again.

Even this guy approves.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm117/mtgrnwdstar913/chuck-norris-thumbs-up.jpg

LITTLE NELL
09-29-2011, 05:45 AM
Its been said that the Sox clubhouse had a country club atmosphere.
If thats true the one guy that would fix that is Carlton Fisk.

TomBradley72
09-29-2011, 07:36 AM
I listened to Cooper's post game press conference yesterday- clearly a guy that would like to be considered for the job- commented that there are several managers who are former pitching coaches, etc.

If the Sox go the rebuilding route- Coop would definitely NOT be the guy. I personally don't see how they can go that route for the next 2 years with the long term contracts they have that are impossible to move. If they decide to stay with a veteran type approach for a few years- I wouldn't mind considering Coop-

I have zero interest in Sandberg- I always felt he was overrated as a player- and I don't want a Cubs "legend" in our dugout- I just don't.

Especially not after the whole Kessinger thing.

chisox12
09-29-2011, 07:56 AM
So then let's just skip the rebuilding phase and just get good again.



I like the sound of this.

:clap:

The Immigrant
09-29-2011, 08:04 AM
Its been said that the Sox clubhouse had a country club atmosphere.
If thats true the one guy that would fix that is Carlton Fisk.

Not unless he convinces KW to trade away Konerko. It's his clubhouse. Players who don't blend in tend to quickly find themselves in another uniform.

SCCWS
09-29-2011, 08:08 AM
I listened to Cooper's post game press conference yesterday- clearly a guy that would like to be considered for the job- commented that there are several managers who are former pitching coaches, etc.

If the Sox go the rebuilding route- Coop would definitely NOT be the guy. I personally don't see how they can go that route for the next 2 years with the long term contracts they have that are impossible to move. If they decide to stay with a veteran type approach for a few years- I wouldn't mind considering Coop-

I have zero interest in Sandberg- I always felt he was overrated as a player- and I don't want a Cubs "legend" in our dugout- I just don't.

Especially not after the whole Kessinger thing.

I think Coop is over-valued because the offense has been so bad. What pitcher has Coop developed??? He has been blessed with some pretty good veteran pitchers ( Colon-Jackson-Peavy etc) to supplement Buehrle, Floyd and Danks the last few years. The Sox have had a middle of the pack ERA pitching staff since 2006 with one good and one bad year mixed in. Since Buehrle was here before Coop, I consider his 2 prized pupils Danks and Floyd??? Danks has a below .500 record and Floyd's ERA has risen each year he has been here. Still basically 4-5 guys in a rotation. Now maybe he has not been given enough pitching talent to develop but that is another discussion.

doublem23
09-29-2011, 08:26 AM
I think Coop is over-valued because the offense has been so bad. What pitcher has Coop developed??? He has been blessed with some pretty good veteran pitchers ( Colon-Jackson-Peavy etc) to supplement Buehrle, Floyd and Danks the last few years. The Sox have had a middle of the pack ERA pitching staff since 2006 with one good and one bad year mixed in. Since Buehrle was here before Coop, I consider his 2 prized pupils Danks and Floyd??? Danks has a below .500 record and Floyd's ERA has risen each year he has been here. Still basically 4-5 guys in a rotation. Now maybe he has not been given enough pitching talent to develop but that is another discussion.

First, as for Buehrle, you're right, Cooper's 1st season as the White Sox pitching coach was 2002, a whole 1 season after Buehrle became a regular starter, but Cooper was head of the Sox's minor league pitching development before taking the job in Chicago, so he oversaw Buehrle's rise from 38th round draft pick to the reliable lefty we have enjoyed for 11 seasons. So I am willing to notch that on his belt. And even if you forego the relationship in the minors, they've still been working together for 10 seasons now. You really believe Buehrle, at 23 years old, knew everything he needed to know about pitching in the Major Leagues for a decade?

Anyways, aside from Danks and Floyd, Cooper has also helped develop Santos, Thornton, Jenks, all major reclamation projects who have had stretches of brilliance in their time here. Let's not forget what he did with Loaiza in 2003, Contreras in 2005-2006, and Humber in 2011.

The bottom line is that if the Sox let Cooper go, he'd probably find a job on 20-25 other teams. He's very well respected around the league. If the Sox offense could have even been average over the last 3-4 seasons, we'd likely at least have 1-2 more division title banners flying at the Cell.

asindc
09-29-2011, 08:37 AM
I think Coop is over-valued because the offense has been so bad. What pitcher has Coop developed??? He has been blessed with some pretty good veteran pitchers ( Colon-Jackson-Peavy etc) to supplement Buehrle, Floyd and Danks the last few years. The Sox have had a middle of the pack ERA pitching staff since 2006 with one good and one bad year mixed in. Since Buehrle was here before Coop, I consider his 2 prized pupils Danks and Floyd??? Danks has a below .500 record and Floyd's ERA has risen each year he has been here. Still basically 4-5 guys in a rotation. Now maybe he has not been given enough pitching talent to develop but that is another discussion.

You're joking right? Here is a list:

Contreras
Loiaza
Jenks
Danks
Floyd
Humber

None of those pitchers have pitched better for anyone else, either before getting here or after they left (for those who have left, of course). You might be thinking that Cooper is average, but his track record provides plenty of a evidence to refute that.

Tragg
09-29-2011, 10:09 AM
It seems to me that keeping Cooper limits our choices. A strong manager would want to bring in his own pitching coach. If we're going to bring in another house-manager (like Bell or Alomar), it won't matter - but that's what we'll get: a house-manager.
That's why I'm okay with Cooper as manager (he'll pick his staff) or with someone like Martinez who is working with the best and who isn't an organizational guy.

kaufsox
09-29-2011, 10:14 AM
It seems to me that keeping Cooper limits our choices. A strong manager would want to bring in his own pitching coach. If we're going to bring in another house-manager (like Bell or Alomar), it won't matter - but that's what we'll get: a house-manager.
That's why I'm okay with Cooper as manager (he'll pick his staff) or with someone like Martinez who is working with the best and who isn't an organizational guy.

I don't know about that. Coop seems to have a good reputation throughout baseball and I think a manager would like to have him. It does put a bit of the nix on TLR who is married to Dave Duncan.

russ99
09-29-2011, 10:20 AM
Now that the Red Sox collapse is complete, I'm really pulling for Terry Francona.

Noneck
09-29-2011, 10:48 AM
Now that the Red Sox collapse is complete, I'm really pulling for Terry Francona.

He will be commanding twice what oz was making, it wont happen.

Noneck
09-29-2011, 10:54 AM
I don't know about that. Coop seems to have a good reputation throughout baseball and I think a manager would like to have him. It does put a bit of the nix on TLR who is married to Dave Duncan.

Strong experienced managers want to be control of the staff beneath them. Even if a manager thought Cooper would be a good fit, he would want to make the hire and he should have that control. Hiring a coaching staff before a manager will not attract big name managers.

SI1020
09-29-2011, 11:00 AM
Now that the Red Sox collapse is complete, I'm really pulling for Terry Francona. I agree with you on that. It's probably a pipe dream, but I'd sure like to have him.

kittle42
09-29-2011, 11:40 AM
Ryne Sandberg, I say!

Bobby Thigpen
09-29-2011, 11:49 AM
Ryne Sandberg, I say!
Why?

kittle42
09-29-2011, 11:59 AM
Why?

Because my friend Just got a text from a friend at work who is sitting across the aisle from Ryno on a flight from Atlanta to Chicago, so It's Gonna Happen.

tebman
09-29-2011, 12:19 PM
Because my friend Just got a text from a friend at work who is sitting across the aisle from Ryno on a flight from Atlanta to Chicago, so It's Gonna Happen.

:rolling:

:thumbsup:

Bobby Thigpen
09-29-2011, 12:34 PM
Because my friend Just got a text from a friend at work who is sitting across the aisle from Ryno on a flight from Atlanta to Chicago, so It's Gonna Happen.
Forgive me. I thought you were actually supporting him for manager.

gr8mexico
09-29-2011, 01:38 PM
Sandy Alomar Jr ( Manager)
Sandy Alomar Sr ( Bench Coach )

doublem23
09-29-2011, 01:41 PM
Forgive me. I thought you were actually supporting him for manager.

What's wrong with Ryno? He's gotten pretty rave reviews about his managerial capabilities at almost every stop on his journey through the Cubs and Phillies minor league systems and, unlike Alomar, Cooper, Martinez, etc. and most of the other early front-runners for the position, he's actually managed, even if it was just minor league ball.

I don't want him because it would drive Cub fans nuts (though, that would be a nice cherry on top), but who is to say he's not the most qualified guy for the position?

That said, if kittle's investigations are true, START PRINTING THE #23 JERSEYS AGAIN!!!

eriqjaffe
09-29-2011, 01:42 PM
Sandy Alomar Jr ( Manager)
Sandy Alomar Sr ( Bench Coach )Robert Alomar ( Spitting Coach )

Lamp81
09-29-2011, 01:42 PM
McEwing and Francona have ties to the organization, too.

But they never PLAYED for the Sox. JR doesn't fondly look back on their careers, and protect them, when it is time for them to move on, like KW, Ozzie, Walker, and Farmio.

I doubt JR has seen any of the Birmingham or Charlotte games that McEwing and Francona managed (well maybe Birmingham, when Jordan was playing).

doublem23
09-29-2011, 01:42 PM
Robert Alomar ( Spitting Coach )

:thumbsup:

Made me laugh

slavko
09-29-2011, 02:09 PM
Any manager with a record of success elsewhere who is available also has a record of failure elsewhere or he wouldn't be available. LaRussa? Hadn't seen him in a while until his interview last night. Looks like Bruce Jenner with hair color by Wal-Mart. Not gonna get him anyway.

I know we're supposed to be Chicago tough, but a butt-kicker is not necessarily the only or the best way of motivating a team. Have any of you pining for this approach ever managed a business or anything? The longest lasting managers or coaches may be just the opposite. Not that it doesn't work, at least for a while and with certain types of players.

Hitmen77
09-29-2011, 02:35 PM
Sandy Alomar Jr ( Manager)
Sandy Alomar Sr ( Bench Coach )

With Sandy Alomar III on Twitter?

Bobby Thigpen
09-29-2011, 02:39 PM
What's wrong with Ryno? He's gotten pretty rave reviews about his managerial capabilities at almost every stop on his journey through the Cubs and Phillies minor league systems and, unlike Alomar, Cooper, Martinez, etc. and most of the other early front-runners for the position, he's actually managed, even if it was just minor league ball.

I don't want him because it would drive Cub fans nuts (though, that would be a nice cherry on top), but who is to say he's not the most qualified guy for the position?

That said, if kittle's investigations are true, START PRINTING THE #23 JERSEYS AGAIN!!!
I don't know that anything's wrong with him. I was sincerely asking kittle why he thought he should get the job. When I thought he was being serious.

My impression of Ryno as a manager solely comes from this site and the only reasons people seem to give for hiring him is that it would anger Cubs fans. I don't think that's a real solid reason for giving a guy a job.

kittle42
09-29-2011, 02:51 PM
I don't know that anything's wrong with him. I was sincerely asking kittle why he thought he should get the job. When I thought he was being serious.

My impression of Ryno as a manager solely comes from this site and the only reasons people seem to give for hiring him is that it would anger Cubs fans. I don't think that's a real solid reason for giving a guy a job.

All kidding aside, I'd hire him before a few of the other candidates being discussed because (1) he has managerial experience at a high minor league level, and (2) I have been impressed with him in interviews I have read, and with his players' reactions to him.

Bobby Thigpen
09-29-2011, 02:57 PM
All kidding aside, I'd hire him before a few of the other candidates being discussed because (1) he has managerial experience at a high minor league level, and (2) I have been impressed with him in interviews I have read, and with his players' reactions to him.
One could have said the same about Wally Backman no?

kittle42
09-29-2011, 03:02 PM
One could have said the same about Wally Backman no?

Plus, they were both in RBI Baseball, which counts for something.

mmmmmbeeer
09-29-2011, 03:37 PM
What's wrong with Ryno? He's gotten pretty rave reviews about his managerial capabilities at almost every stop on his journey through the Cubs and Phillies minor league systems and, unlike Alomar, Cooper, Martinez, etc. and most of the other early front-runners for the position, he's actually managed, even if it was just minor league ball.

I don't want him because it would drive Cub fans nuts (though, that would be a nice cherry on top), but who is to say he's not the most qualified guy for the position?

That said, if kittle's investigations are true, START PRINTING THE #23 JERSEYS AGAIN!!!

Him being a guy who played, coached, and manged in the NL scares me....we just got rid of a manager who forgot which league he was in.

SCCWS
09-29-2011, 03:48 PM
You're joking right? Here is a list:

Contreras
Loiaza
Jenks
Danks
Floyd
Humber

None of those pitchers have pitched better for anyone else, either before getting here or after they left (for those who have left, of course). You might be thinking that Cooper is average, but his track record provides plenty of a evidence to refute that.

Danks Floyd and Jenks all started their Major League careers w the White Sox. How have Floyd and Danks gotten better??? Both had their best overall years in 2008, their first full seasons. Floyd's era has gone up every year he has been w Cooper. Danks has been a .500 every year. They are both average pitchers.
Jenks got progressively worse the longer he was here.
For every guy Coop was able to improve i.e Thornton there will be one on the other side i.e Boone Logan. That is why you need to judge him by overall staff numbers. Since 2006 The White Sox have been ranked on average 8th of 14 in team ERA the last 5 years. That is an average pitching staff.

asindc
09-29-2011, 03:57 PM
Danks Floyd and Jenks all started their Major League careers w the White Sox. How have Floyd and Danks gotten better??? Both had their best overall years in 2008, their first full seasons. Floyd's era has gone up every year he has been w Cooper. Danks has been a .500 every year. They are both average pitchers.
Jenks got progressively worse the longer he was here.
For every guy Coop was able to improve i.e Thornton there will be one on the other side i.e Boone Logan. That is why you need to judge him by overall staff numbers. Since 2006 The White Sox have been ranked on average 8th of 14 in team ERA the last 5 years. That is an average pitching staff.

Floyd started some games with Philly before coming here. Not sure of Danks. Jenks was a famous flame out before coming here, so it's not like LAAAAAA sold high on him. The bottom line is that not one of the pitchers I listed who have since left have pitched nearly as well after leaving.

sullythered
09-29-2011, 04:00 PM
Danks Floyd and Jenks all started their Major League careers w the White Sox. How have Floyd and Danks gotten better??? Both had their best overall years in 2008, their first full seasons. Floyd's era has gone up every year he has been w Cooper. Danks has been a .500 every year. They are both average pitchers.
Jenks got progressively worse the longer he was here.
For every guy Coop was able to improve i.e Thornton there will be one on the other side i.e Boone Logan. That is why you need to judge him by overall staff numbers. Since 2006 The White Sox have been ranked on average 8th of 14 in team ERA the last 5 years. That is an average pitching staff.
Well, you're wrong about several things here. Gavin did not start his career with the Sox. He was considered a bust in Philly, until Coop got him. Jenks was also considered a bust, and a huge reclamation project when he came to the Sox. Sure, Danks is coming off his worst season (which was still pretty good) but has been consistently above average for his entire career (and don't give me W/L, because it's not a real stat).

Boone Logan is a slightly below average relief pitcher. That's just what he is. His numbers with the Yankees have improved a little with age, but he still isn't anything to write home about.

Matt Thornton, like Gavin, was considered a major league bust when Coop molded him into one of the best relievers in the game.

Oh, and Jose Contreras was a pretty impressive reclamation, too. Find me another pitching coach not named Duncan who has done more with less.

doublem23
09-29-2011, 04:06 PM
Danks Floyd and Jenks all started their Major League careers w the White Sox. How have Floyd and Danks gotten better??? Both had their best overall years in 2008, their first full seasons. Floyd's era has gone up every year he has been w Cooper. Danks has been a .500 every year. They are both average pitchers.
Jenks got progressively worse the longer he was here.
For every guy Coop was able to improve i.e Thornton there will be one on the other side i.e Boone Logan. That is why you need to judge him by overall staff numbers. Since 2006 The White Sox have been ranked on average 8th of 14 in team ERA the last 5 years. That is an average pitching staff.

You're ****ing bringing numbers like ERA and W-L record to this debate? Come on, son. John Danks may have a .500 career record but that's because he routinely gets boned with low run support. He's been a Top 10 pitcher in the league by WAR 3 of his 5 seasons. Floyd and Jenks were basically reclamation projects, both were sold for scraps to the Sox and both turned out to be above average pitchers. And no, Jenks did not progressively worse as his time wore on here. His best seasons were 2007 and 2008, 3-4 of his 6-year run here.

If you're judging an entire pitching staff solely by it's ERA... I don't even know how to respond to that. If you even make a slight leap and look at ERA+ which compensates for the ballpark, the Sox have been in the top 4 of the AL 3 of the past 5 years, and have only once been below the league average, unsurprisingly in 2007 the year that shall remain unspoken of. The Sox pitching staff under Don Cooper has been well above average.

Golden Sox
09-29-2011, 04:27 PM
Leaving the Cell after losing the last game of the year made me realize how glad I was to see this season come to an end. I haven't felt this way since the last 3 years of the 2nd Bill Veeck era. (1976-1980) I didn't feel there was any hope for the following years and I was glad when Veeck sold the team. It amazes me to this day, that he's in the Baseball Hall Of Fame.When I left the final game of the year at the Cell, I sensed the same feelings I had years ago. The next few years are going to be bleak on the great southside of Chicago. It's certainly an important move who manages the team, but if some major player moves aren"t made, we're in for some long seasons. This team wasn't able to hit this past season. The majority of there games this year had the team scoring 3 or less runs. Does anybody really think that Dunn, Rios, and Beckham are going to hit next year? Because of the high priced contracts of Dunn, Rios and Peavy the White Sox won't be able to resign Buehrle. Ken Williams said yesterday he offered to turn in his resignation and it was rejected by Reinsdorf. I wish Reinsdorf would of accepeted his resignation.

DirtySox
09-29-2011, 04:29 PM
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doesnt sound like #chisox would be legit landing spot for francona. folks think they may go younger
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A. Cavatica
09-29-2011, 04:42 PM
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doesnt sound like #chisox would be legit landing spot for francona. folks think they may go younger
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Young and stupid.

Noneck
09-29-2011, 05:36 PM
Young and stupid.

and hungry for a managerial job no matter what the salary is.

soltrain21
09-29-2011, 05:42 PM
Young and stupid.

Manager bashing begins before we even know who it is? Sweet.

DickAllen72
09-29-2011, 05:53 PM
Reinsdorf's MO is to give an inexperienced guy whose not quite ready a shot so that the guy owes JR for giving him his big break.

gobears1987
09-29-2011, 06:06 PM
Reinsdorf's MO is to give an inexperienced guy whose not quite ready a shot so that the guy owes JR for giving him his big break.
That's also the only way you'll get a manager who wants to work with KW.

soltrain21
09-29-2011, 06:11 PM
That's also the only way you'll get a manager who wants to work with KW.

How do you know? Oh, right. You have no idea.

DickAllen72
09-29-2011, 06:12 PM
That's also the only way you'll get a manager who wants to work with KW.
I don't believe that. However, KW got his job from JR in the same way for the same reasons.

Moses_Scurry
09-29-2011, 06:21 PM
I think the big question is how long do we have to wait to find out who it is. Are there any rules against hiring your manager before the end of the World Series? Obviously you can't hire somebody who is on a team still playing, but could the Sox, for example, hire the Yankees' AAA affiliate manager tomorrow if they wanted?

I hope it gets done quickly (unless they already have a deal in place with Joe Maddon)

sullythered
09-29-2011, 06:23 PM
I really, really think it's gonna be Sandy Alomar Jr.

russ99
09-29-2011, 06:25 PM
I think the big question is how long do we have to wait to find out who it is. Are there any rules against hiring your manager before the end of the World Series? Obviously you can't hire somebody who is on a team still playing, but could the Sox, for example, hire the Yankees' AAA affiliate manager tomorrow if they wanted?

I hope it gets done quickly (unless they already have a deal in place with Joe Maddon)

They usually wait until the team in question is eliminated with no hires during the World Series.

kittle42
09-29-2011, 07:26 PM
I really, really think it's gonna be Sandy Alomar Jr.

Why not? Hawk's got a several year head start on talking him up.

Lamp81
09-29-2011, 08:03 PM
Reinsdorf's MO is to give an inexperienced guy whose not quite ready a shot so that the guy owes JR for giving him his big break.

Of the managers hired under the JR regime, Jim Fregosi and Jeff Torborg were experienced MLB managers, they were also the 1st two hired.

Gene Lamont, Terry Bevington, Jerry Manuel, and Ozzie were 1st timers.

All of those managers, even adding the holdover Larussa, got other MLB manager jobs except for the awful Bevington.

Based on the trend, I would say it's going to be Alomar, McEwing, or Martinez. I do hope that they do wait out the Francona situation.

mmmmmbeeer
09-29-2011, 08:17 PM
I really, really think it's gonna be Sandy Alomar Jr.

If this were a sure thing I think he'd already be hired. I think it's safe to say that Martinez is, at the least, going to interview once the Rays are eliminated.

dickallen15
09-29-2011, 08:29 PM
If this were a sure thing I think he'd already be hired. I think it's safe to say that Martinez is, at the least, going to interview once the Rays are eliminated.

KW did mentioned he had a clear favorite. I agree he's going to interview, but I would think this favorite is someone he's very familiar with, and that would be Sandy.

Noneck
09-29-2011, 08:33 PM
KW did mentioned he had a clear favorite. I agree he's going to interview, but I would think this favorite is someone he's very familiar with, and that would be Sandy.


Isnt he familiar with Bell? He must had some say in the hiring of him but who knows if he actually did.

Daver
09-29-2011, 08:41 PM
Isnt he familiar with Bell? He must had some say in the hiring of him but who knows if he actually did.

I don't know that Buddy would even want the job, and yes, Kenny hired him.

slavko
09-29-2011, 08:42 PM
Any manager who comes here, knowing what the personnel situation is, as it's been accurately described in the pages of WSI, is going to want a looooong term contract. Unless the new guy is someone truly desperate to manage a team in the bigs, maybe even then.

That means a young guy who will work for peanuts or an old guy on a back shelf. So that's what we'll get, by design or by necessity. Although I always have doubts why giving a manager an extra half-million matters when you give useless players tens of millions.

Francona? LaRussa? Cito? You're joking.

Thought I heard Bell said he didn't want the job.

Lip Man 1
09-29-2011, 08:45 PM
Kenny has already told the mainstream media that Buddy is happy in his current position and is not interested in the field manager's job.

Lip

doublem23
09-29-2011, 08:47 PM
I don't know that Buddy would even want the job, and yes, Kenny hired him.

Buddy was speculated to be an early frontrunner for the job, but he has said he's not interested. If had spent my managerial career working with those garbage Tiger, Royal, and Rockie teams of the past decade, I wouldn't want to manage again, either.

Bobby Thigpen
09-29-2011, 09:11 PM
Young and stupid.
Ya. Joe Girardi sure backfired on the two teams that hired him.

Noneck
09-29-2011, 09:12 PM
I don't know that Buddy would even want the job, and yes, Kenny hired him.

I didnt know about Bell not wanting the job or that he was a Williams hire not a Reinsdorf hire.

Bell just made sense to me because he had nothing to lose by taking the job except high blood pressure which could lead to a heart condition or possible stroke and a lower life expectancy.

A. Cavatica
09-29-2011, 09:38 PM
Ya. Joe Girardi sure backfired on the two teams that hired him.

In the White Sox' case, I'm pretty sure "young" is a code word for "cheap".

HaroMaster87
09-29-2011, 10:11 PM
This is a totally honest question based on my ignorance but is Terry Francona a good manager or is it the talent? He does have quite a big payroll...I pretty much only watch WS games

Daver
09-29-2011, 10:13 PM
This is a totally honest question based on my ignorance but is Terry Francona a good manager or is it the talent? He does have quite a big payroll...I pretty much only watch WS games


I would prefer someone other than Terry Francona.

Brian26
09-29-2011, 10:17 PM
The more I think about Francona, the more I wonder if he's not completely wiped out after eight years in Boston.

ChiSoxGal85
09-29-2011, 10:19 PM
I would prefer someone other than Terry Francona.
There is some stuff going around about how Francona might not be back with the Red Sox. Could the White Sox afford him? Does he have any sort of history with anyone in the WS organization? Would he even want to come here? I'm on the fence about whether I'd like to see him here, but I lean toward yes.

Nelfox02
09-29-2011, 10:27 PM
There is some stuff going around about how Francona might not be back with the Red Sox. Could the White Sox afford him? Does he have any sort of history with anyone in the WS organization? Would he even want to come here? I'm on the fence about whether I'd like to see him here, but I lean toward yes.


big time.....just ask Michael Jordan

samurai_sox
09-29-2011, 10:28 PM
There is some stuff going around about how Francona might not be back with the Red Sox. Could the White Sox afford him? Does he have any sort of history with anyone in the WS organization? Would he even want to come here? I'm on the fence about whether I'd like to see him here, but I lean toward yes.

He used to coach the Birmingham Barons, our AA team back in the 90's.

samurai_sox
09-29-2011, 11:24 PM
Oh boy....

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/manager-terry-francona-expected-to-part-ways-with-red-sox-092911

Noneck
09-29-2011, 11:28 PM
I could see Francona managing the cubs. The Sox, no way no chance.

samurai_sox
09-29-2011, 11:37 PM
I could see Francona managing the cubs. The Sox, no way no chance.

I'm short on cash, give me tomorrow's Mega Millions numbers please.

Noneck
09-29-2011, 11:47 PM
I'm short on cash, give me tomorrow's Mega Millions numbers please.

I never played that, can you just bet 1 number, like 4,000,000 three times?

cheezheadsoxfan
09-29-2011, 11:49 PM
Any manager with a record of success elsewhere who is available also has a record of failure elsewhere or he wouldn't be available. LaRussa? Hadn't seen him in a while until his interview last night. Looks like Bruce Jenner with hair color by Wal-Mart. Not gonna get him anyway.

I know we're supposed to be Chicago tough, but a butt-kicker is not necessarily the only or the best way of motivating a team. Have any of you pining for this approach ever managed a business or anything? The longest lasting managers or coaches may be just the opposite. Not that it doesn't work, at least for a while and with certain types of players.

I thought it was just me being snarky. He doesn't seem to be accepting age very well.

slavko
09-30-2011, 12:03 AM
I thought it was just me being snarky. He doesn't seem to be accepting age very well.

I'll tell you who looks great for his age. Reinsdorf. Been working out for sure, looks ready for another 20 years. Good for him. Maybe not for us. (Just kidding, Jerry.)

Soxman219
09-30-2011, 12:06 AM
White Sox ownership, get on the phones NOW! GET HIM HERE!

soxfanreggie
09-30-2011, 01:06 AM
There is some stuff going around about how Francona might not be back with the Red Sox. Could the White Sox afford him? Does he have any sort of history with anyone in the WS organization? Would he even want to come here? I'm on the fence about whether I'd like to see him here, but I lean toward yes.

Could we afford him? Yes, I think so. He'll get a nice $750K buyout at least on his 2012 option and depending on how that 2013 option works, he might get another $750K for it. Perhaps the Sox give him a contract similar to what Ozzie got. I could easily see the Cubs bringing him in though.

October26
09-30-2011, 06:30 AM
Wait, so the Sox don't have money to re-sign Buehrle but now rumours are swirling that the Sox are courting Terry Francona, who no doubt will cost a pretty penny? I'm so confused...

soxfanatlanta
09-30-2011, 06:49 AM
Wait, so the Sox don't have money to re-sign Buehrle but now rumours are swirling that the Sox are courting Terry Francona, who no doubt will cost a pretty penny? I'm so confused...

Francona won't be asking for $12+ million per year.

October26
09-30-2011, 07:04 AM
Francona won't be asking for $12+ million per year.


I understand that but I was referring to the "2011 Sox are in the red" and the "Kenny says a rebuild is coming" threads where a lot of the discussion was about Sox needing to cut payroll, playing prospects, and hiring a manager on the cheap to save money, as a result of being saddled with the horrific Dunn-Peavy-Rios contacts.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the Sox sign Francona. My question is either the Sox have money to spend during this offseason or they don't - which is it?

SCCWS
09-30-2011, 07:37 AM
FYI---Earlier in the thread several posters referred to changing the clubhouse atmosphere after Ozzie. Francona is very much a player's manager. He is known to play cards w some of the players in the clubhouse.


The Red Sox always have talent on their roster, have very capable coaches ( 2 became managers last season) and strong fan support. If he is available, the White Sox must determine would he be successful away from the Red Sox organization. He wasn't in Philly but that was a long time ago.

russ99
09-30-2011, 08:36 AM
I understand that but I was referring to the "2011 Sox are in the red" and the "Kenny says a rebuild is coming" threads where a lot of the discussion was about Sox needing to cut payroll, playing prospects, and hiring a manager on the cheap to save money, as a result of being saddled with the horrific Dunn-Peavy-Rios contacts.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the Sox sign Francona. My question is either the Sox have money to spend during this offseason or they don't - which is it?

I don't see it that way. I see that as two different issues.

No matter what, a manager is a cost. If he costs $1M or $3M has little to do with the player payroll.

Also, the hire will send a message to the fans as to if there's any chance of contending baseball the next 3 years, which is Kenny's timeframe, not mine.

Hiring a guy like Alomar or Martinez assumes that there's going to be some learning on the job and lowered expectations as per club performance the next year or two.

If it works out after a few years then that's great, but I don't want to see the club backsliding to the pre-2000 era.

TomBradley72
09-30-2011, 08:40 AM
With JR's reference to the playoff situation having an impact on the timing of the new manager- I'd say we most likely end up with Dave Martinez (as part of a strategy that will place more emphasis on player development, etc.- with Martinez being looked at as a guy that can bring some of the "Tampa success" to the Sox).

Dark horse would be Francona- who the Sox might not have expected to be available- but may be a better fit for the veteran roster (Dunn, Rios, Peavy) they're stuck with until KW's huge contracts run their course.

hawkjt
09-30-2011, 09:03 AM
I wonder if Francona would even want to jump right back into the pressure cooker on the South Side? Hiring him ramps up the expectations immediately,and rightfully so,but the talent is probably going to be pared back.
Seems like from the frying pan right into the fire for Tito.
Seems like a young guy with energy and patience for young players might be an obvious path to follow for JR and Kenny.

And yes, the dynamic between Kenny and the manager has to be right. Sounds like Theo just finished sticking the knife in Tito's back,so would the trust ever be there?

PeteWard
09-30-2011, 09:16 AM
I wonder if Francona would even want to jump right back into the pressure cooker on the South Side? Hiring him ramps up the expectations immediately,and rightfully so,but the talent is probably going to be pared back.
Seems like from the frying pan right into the fire for Tito.
Seems like a young guy with energy and patience for young players might be an obvious path to follow for JR and Kenny.

And yes, the dynamic between Kenny and the manager has to be right. Sounds like Theo just finished sticking the knife in Tito's back,so would the trust ever be there?

I really don't see the south side as a pressure cooker at all. It's not even the most scrutinized managerial post in the city, much less MLB.

dwitt76
09-30-2011, 09:18 AM
Report from SI saying Francona is out as MGR. Please come to the south side!!!!!:praying:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/09/30/red.sox.francona/index.html?eref=BrkNews

Brewski
09-30-2011, 09:29 AM
I don't see it that way. I see that as two different issues.

No matter what, a manager is a cost. If he costs $1M or $3M has little to do with the player payroll.

Also, the hire will send a message to the fans as to if there's any chance of contending baseball the next 3 years, which is Kenny's timeframe, not mine.

Hiring a guy like Alomar or Martinez assumes that there's going to be some learning on the job and lowered expectations as per club performance the next year or two.

If it works out after a few years then that's great, but I don't want to see the club backsliding to the pre-2000 era.

I know I'm naive, but why is one expense item in my budget (manager) not going to affect the amount of money I have to spend on other expense items (players, minors, etc.)? Doesn't all the money come from the same place eventually? This persistent line of reasoning confuses me.

Tito was the Person In Charge Of Preventing Collapses and Theo is one tough hombre to work for. Hiring Tito would mean hiring a guy who failed at his last job. Hiring Sandberg, Martinez or similar would mean hiring a guy who succeeded at his last job. Just a thought, heh, heh. :cool:

kevingrt
09-30-2011, 09:33 AM
I know I'm naive, but why is one expense item in my budget (manager) not going to affect the amount of money I have to spend on other expense items (players, minors, etc.)? Doesn't all the money come from the same place eventually? This persistent line of reasoning confuses me.

Tito was the Person In Charge Of Preventing Collapses and Theo is one tough hombre to work for. Hiring Tito would mean hiring a guy who failed at his last job. Hiring Sandberg, Martinez or similar would mean hiring a guy who succeeded at his last job. Just a thought, heh, heh. :cool:

Everyone's defintion of failure is different. He missed the playoffs in two straight seasons and has two World Series Titles in the past six. Is that failure?

sachin
09-30-2011, 09:42 AM
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't:

Joe Torre got the Dodgers to the NLCS twice after leaving the Yankees; Mike Hargrove has done nothing since leaving Cleveland.

Chemistry has a lot to do with it, sometimes you just get with the right team (Charlie Manuel wasn't exactly super awesome with Cleveland, but has been phenomenal with the Phillies)...

hawkjt
09-30-2011, 09:49 AM
I really don't see the south side as a pressure cooker at all. It's not even the most scrutinized managerial post in the city, much less MLB.

Just my opinion, but I felt like Ozzie was under more pressure than Mike Quade this year. Sox fans have higher expectations historically,and are more demanding. That rolls downstream. Kenny is hugely competitive and demands performance.

Now, granted,the pressure to win on the North Side will ramp up over time,but the next couple of years are re-trenching time for the Cubs.
Not so for the Sox...Kenny is still going to try to win with the high priced guys that will not go away.