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Lip Man 1
09-13-2011, 10:39 PM
70th time this season the Sox have scored three runs or less in a game.

Tigers have now won 18 of the last 23 meeting vs. Sox.

Lip

SoxandtheCityTee
09-13-2011, 10:42 PM
And Echo there, whatever is asked her, answers -- Strike three, called, they strand the bases loaded.

Nelfox02
09-13-2011, 10:43 PM
well, this one went pretty much as expected. Floyd kept this one winnable for awhile but basically had no margin for error, he fell apart painfully

Sox had several good chances to score, and came up empty

more of the same really

tstrike2000
09-13-2011, 10:47 PM
You mean the Sox were horribly bad at situational hitting tonight? Shocking!

PalehosePlanet
09-13-2011, 10:51 PM
The Tigers look unbeatable right now. Their 11 game win streak is their best since 1968. Lots of career years going for them.

Still, I think they are peaking too early. They'll be due for a cold streak right about when the playoffs start.

SoxSpeed22
09-13-2011, 10:51 PM
So how many hangers did they miss today? I lost count.

kittle42
09-13-2011, 11:02 PM
The Tigers look unbeatable right now. Their 11 game win streak is their best since 1968. Lots of career years going for them.

Still, I think they are peaking too early. They'll be due for a cold streak right about when the playoffs start.

Wasn't this the same team a small group here thought was going to fall flat on their faces a few weeks back?

Shaco
09-13-2011, 11:19 PM
The Tigers opened the season 12-17. Sine then they have gone 74-45, almost 30 games over 500. Over almost 120 games, they've been near the best in the league. They were once 7 games out of first and are now 12.5 up. There are reasons they have gotten hot. They have made better mid season moves than most other teams. As much as I detest Delmon Young, he has been an improvement. Fister has been great. Betemit has quietly been a good addition. If Dombrowski doesn't make these three moves, the Tigers would be battling the Indians and White Sox in mediocrity.

The Tigers are also 18-14 against the East (still have four more games left against Baltimore) and are 20-16 against the top five AL teams (New York, Boston, Tampa, Texas, Anaheim)

chisoxfanatic
09-13-2011, 11:38 PM
The positives to tonight's game:


Free massage in CF
Ate a massive sandwich and pie in the Stadium Club
Got to sit behind home plate even though I had a 500 level ticket
Actually sold my ticket online (but didn't know at the time I tried to scan in), but the lady at the Stadium Club was a dear and just waved me through!

The negatives to tonight's game:


The game

thomas35forever
09-13-2011, 11:49 PM
The positives to tonight's game:


Free massage in CF
Ate a massive sandwich and pie in the Stadium Club
Got to sit behind home plate even though I had a 500 level ticket
Actually sold my ticket online (but didn't know at the time I tried to scan in), but the lady at the Stadium Club was a dear and just waved me through!

The negatives to tonight's game:


The game




Yep. Been there, done that at the park this season.

russ99
09-14-2011, 12:01 AM
You mean the Sox were horribly bad at situational hitting tonight? Shocking!

We're talking rookies vs. Verlander, no surprise there.

The only parts of the game that were mildly unexpected was the 3-run HR after walking Cabrera (things would be so different if Jerry gave a competitive offer to Martinez instead of a lowish one to Dunn); Rios half-assing it into first on a sure double; and Flowers striking out with the bases loaded in the 8th after working a 3-0 count against a shaky Benoit.

Still a nice night out at the park, good food, good peeps and at least a competitive game vs. Verlander until the 6th.

russ99
09-14-2011, 12:19 AM
To continue the thought in my last post, we're actually paying more for Dunn than the Tigers are paying Martinez.

Martinez: Signed 11/24/10
11:$12M, 12:$13M, 13:$13M, 14:$12M

Dunn: Signed 12/3/10
11:$12M, 12:$14M, 13:$15M, 14:$15M

Here's the link where it states that the Sox were outbid:
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5842176

Remember, Victor was Kenny's first choice, and yet we lost out on him (probably due to Jerry's usual Torii-like lowball offer) then had to overpay a week later to get Dunn...

Sure, everything makes sense in hindsight, but that right there says a lot about why we're 12.5 back of Detroit

Nellie_Fox
09-14-2011, 12:35 AM
...probably due to Jerry's usual Torii-like lowball offerThis revisionist history keeps getting repeated. Hunter had accepted the Sox offer verbally. LAAAAAAA gave him a higher offer and he signed there without giving the Sox a chance to counter. He said it was because he really didn't want to stay in the Central and compete directly against the Twins, so when there was a chance to go to LAAAAA with money he was happy with, he took it. It was not because "Jerry" was low-balling.

Chez
09-14-2011, 07:00 AM
Sat in front of four loud Tigers fans. By the 7th inning, I debated whether I should stab (1) one of them or (2) myself with my pen. Decided on another Miller Lite instead. Probably a wise decision but far less satisfying.

GoSox2K3
09-14-2011, 08:08 AM
To continue the thought in my last post, we're actually paying more for Dunn than the Tigers are paying Martinez.

Martinez: Signed 11/24/10
11:$12M, 12:$13M, 13:$13M, 14:$12M

Dunn: Signed 12/3/10
11:$12M, 12:$14M, 13:$15M, 14:$15M

Here's the link where it states that the Sox were outbid:
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5842176


Wow. That's pretty bad. That might be where the division was lost this year - when we let Martinez slip away to our division rival and we went for a strikeout king.

But, knowing the White Sox maybe Martinez would be hitting .260 this year if he signed with us (still 100 points better than Dunn:o:).

Remember, Victor was Kenny's first choice, and yet we lost out on him (probably due to Jerry's usual Torii-like lowball offer) then had to overpay a week later to get Dunn...

Sure, everything makes sense in hindsight, but that right there says a lot about why we're 12.5 back of Detroit

:rolleyes: GMAB. The Sox gave Torii a 5 yr/$75M offer. That's low-balling?:?:

But anyone who says anything bad about Ozzie is "ridiculous" and a "hater", right?


This revisionist history keeps getting repeated. Hunter had accepted the Sox offer verbally. LAAAAAAA gave him a higher offer and he signed there without giving the Sox a chance to counter. He said it was because he really didn't want to stay in the Central and compete directly against the Twins, so when there was a chance to go to LAAAAA with money he was happy with, he took it. It was not because "Jerry" was low-balling.

Exactly!

WhiffleBall
09-14-2011, 08:15 AM
To continue the thought in my last post, we're actually paying more for Dunn than the Tigers are paying Martinez.

Martinez: Signed 11/24/10
11:$12M, 12:$13M, 13:$13M, 14:$12M

Dunn: Signed 12/3/10
11:$12M, 12:$14M, 13:$15M, 14:$15M

Here's the link where it states that the Sox were outbid:
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5842176

Remember, Victor was Kenny's first choice, and yet we lost out on him (probably due to Jerry's usual Torii-like lowball offer) then had to overpay a week later to get Dunn...

Sure, everything makes sense in hindsight, but that right there says a lot about why we're 12.5 back of Detroit


At the time getting Dunn seemed like a great consolidation prize but in the end it could not have turned out worse.

2011 WS + VMart - ADunn = WS in Playoffs

tstrike2000
09-14-2011, 08:20 AM
We're talking rookies vs. Verlander, no surprise there.

The only parts of the game that were mildly unexpected was the 3-run HR after walking Cabrera (things would be so different if Jerry gave a competitive offer to Martinez instead of a lowish one to Dunn); Rios half-assing it into first on a sure double; and Flowers striking out with the bases loaded in the 8th after working a 3-0 count against a shaky Benoit.

Still a nice night out at the park, good food, good peeps and at least a competitive game vs. Verlander until the 6th.

Beckham's not a rookie, but he's hitting like one. When he struck out with the bases loaded in the fourth, it could've been Verlander's mom pitching and she probably would've gotten Beckham out.

Benoit pitching for them in the eighth was especiallty maddening, watching Flowers strike out with the bases loaded, again. Tyler just sucks right now, no matter who's pitching.

#1swisher
09-14-2011, 11:31 AM
Beckham's not a rookie, but he's hitting like one. When he struck out with the bases loaded in the fourth, it could've been Verlander's mom pitching and she probably would've gotten Beckham out.

Benoit pitching for them in the eighth was especiallty maddening, watching Flowers strike out with the bases loaded, again. Tyler just sucks right now, no matter who's pitching.

Chuck Garfien

Justin Verlander hit 101mph on radar gun
6 times last night. 5 were to Giordon Beckham.

Marqhead
09-14-2011, 11:44 AM
Chuck Garfien

Justin Verlander hit 101mph on radar gun
6 times last night. 5 were to Giordon Beckham.

I was at the park, I know Verlander gets up there but isn't the USC gun hot? He really looked like he was slinging it that hard a couple times to Beckham, but over 100MPH is always hard to believe.

tstrike2000
09-14-2011, 11:51 AM
Chuck Garfien

Justin Verlander hit 101mph on radar gun
6 times last night. 5 were to Giordon Beckham.

But didn't Beckham strike out looking on a breaking pitch?

Marqhead
09-14-2011, 11:52 AM
But didn't Beckham strike out looking on a breaking pitch?

Yes. Apparently Gordon forgot that when you have 2 strikes on you you're supposed to go into protection mode, a la Victor Martinez in his HR at bat.

DirtySox
09-14-2011, 11:52 AM
I was at the park, I know Verlander gets up there but isn't the USC gun hot? He really looked like he was slinging it that hard a couple times to Beckham, but over 100MPH is always hard to believe.

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php?month=9&day=13&year=2011&game=gid_2011_09_13_detmlb_chamlb_1%2F&pitchSel=434378&prevGame=gid_2011_09_13_detmlb_chamlb_1%2F&prevDate=913

Looks like he got it over 100 twice.

salty99
09-14-2011, 11:53 AM
But didn't Beckham strike out looking on a breaking pitch?

Yes it was.

Marqhead
09-14-2011, 11:54 AM
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php?month=9&day=13&year=2011&game=gid_2011_09_13_detmlb_chamlb_1%2F&pitchSel=434378&prevGame=gid_2011_09_13_detmlb_chamlb_1%2F&prevDate=913

Looks like he got it over 100 twice.

Wow, that's phenomenal.

Nellie_Fox
09-14-2011, 12:01 PM
Yes. Apparently Gordon forgot that when you have 2 strikes on you you're supposed to go into protection mode, a la Victor Martinez in his HR at bat.
Most of baseball has forgotten that. Everybody still has their little finger down over the knob of the bat, swinging from the heels, with two strikes on them.

hawkjt
09-14-2011, 12:25 PM
I am disgusted with the Sox offense this year,but I will defend Gordo on that at bat.
I doubt that Mickey Mantle makes contact on that at bat.
Verlander is cruising along at 95-97mph all nite,and then suddenly puts two 101 pitches on the outside black?
Then throws a drop off the table breaking ball that also catches the outside corner?

God himself would not have come thru on that at bat ...and maybe even Big Frank !