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Fenway
08-18-2011, 09:42 AM
Bill Madden was on WBZ-FM this morning and says MLB is tossing around a few ideas for 2013 when the 2 wild card system is almost sure to be put in place.

One idea he says Selig did not dismiss is just whacked....:scratch:

Teams would play a balanced schedule....and then EVERY winter MLB would have a 'draw' for division or group play like the World Cup in soccer.

So in theory you could have the White Sox in the same division one year with NYY, Boston or BOTH.

But making divisions a random draw would eliminated the politics involved and since it would be a balanced schedule travel is not a factor.

sox1970
08-18-2011, 11:11 AM
If they add a playoff team to each league, they should just eliminate divisions, and have the real 4th and 5th best teams in each league play off in a best-of-three.

Too many teams would get screwed one way or the other by having 3 division winners, and two second place teams.

They could make the AL East race mean something by making the loser have to win a single game or best-of-3, but is that fair to the second best team over 162 games? No. It's really cheesy, actually. Right now, you can penalize the one wildcard because they all start playing the playoffs at the same time, and they all have to win the same amount of games. Once you make the potential second best team over 162 have to win more games, then it becomes too manipulated.

TheOldRoman
08-18-2011, 11:35 AM
Four playoff teams in each league was a good idea. The wildcard has added a compelling new aspect to the game. While it has killed off traditional pennant races (which I guess technically haven't existed since 1968), it has created a reason to watch for a dozen or so fanbases each year whose teams would for all intents and purposes be eliminated in July. However, every single other decision I can think of which Bud made has been a ****ing disaster. Say no to 10 playoff teams. There is no compelling reason for it. It is merely to ensure that the Yankees and Red Sox make the playoffs each year.

sox1970
08-18-2011, 11:43 AM
Four playoff teams in each league was a good idea. The wildcard has added a compelling new aspect to the game. While it has killed off traditional pennant races (which I guess technically haven't existed since 1968), it has created a reason to watch for a dozen or so fanbases each year whose teams would for all intents and purposes be eliminated in July. However, every single other decision I can think of which Bud made has been a ****ing disaster. Say no to 10 playoff teams. There is no compelling reason for it. It is merely to ensure that the Yankees and Red Sox make the playoffs each year.

No, it's to bring more teams into playoff contention.

Right now, you have the Red Sox and Yankees running away with playoff spots, and the Rangers and Tigers in it. The Indians and White Sox are in contention, but the Angels, Blue Jays, and Rays are on the outside based on what division they are in.

If they added a playoff spot with no divisions, it would give more teams a chance at the playoffs, and that's good for attendance and ratings.

TheOldRoman
08-18-2011, 12:14 PM
No, it's to bring more teams into playoff contention.

Right now, you have the Red Sox and Yankees running away with playoff spots, and the Rangers and Tigers in it. The Indians and White Sox are in contention, but the Angels, Blue Jays, and Rays are on the outside based on what division they are in.

If they added a playoff spot with no divisions, it would give more teams a chance at the playoffs, and that's good for attendance and ratings.No, having no divisions would be the worst possible outcome. The Yankees and Red Sox would be in every year regardless. However, Toronto and Baltimore are sleeping giants. Either of those teams could become superpowers if they run things right. If both of those teams got their acts together (especially the Blue Jays), it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that all 5 current AL East teams make the playoffs. And the Rays will likely be moving to a better market in which they could have a higher payroll. That would be bad for baseball.

Bud got upset that the Rays spoiled the Yankees/Red Sox orgasm on Fox in 2008 and 2010. The team that missed each year finished in third. This would assure that if those mean, nasty Rays keep ruining Bud's party, the Yankees and Red Sox would be able to get in regardless. That's what it's all about. The MLB, Fox and ESPN spend 6 months telling the public that the Yankees and Red Sox are all that matters, then they are perplexed when people don't watch the playoffs after those teams have been eliminated. The solution? Give them an easier path.

sox1970
08-18-2011, 12:50 PM
No, having no divisions would be the worst possible outcome. The Yankees and Red Sox would be in every year regardless. However, Toronto and Baltimore are sleeping giants. Either of those teams could become superpowers if they run things right. If both of those teams got their acts together (especially the Blue Jays), it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that all 5 current AL East teams make the playoffs. And the Rays will likely be moving to a better market in which they could have a higher payroll. That would be bad for baseball.

Bud got upset that the Rays spoiled the Yankees/Red Sox orgasm on Fox in 2008 and 2010. The team that missed each year finished in third. This would assure that if those mean, nasty Rays keep ruining Bud's party, the Yankees and Red Sox would be able to get in regardless. That's what it's all about. The MLB, Fox and ESPN spend 6 months telling the public that the Yankees and Red Sox are all that matters, then they are perplexed when people don't watch the playoffs after those teams have been eliminated. The solution? Give them an easier path.

I wouldn't look at the 4th and 5th best teams as being in the playoffs until they actually won that one game or 3-game series.

That said, I don't look at the Red Sox and Yankees guaranteed in the top 3 every year either, seeing what the Rays did in 08 and 10. Are they good teams and usually make the playoffs? Yes, but isn't that who should be in the playoffs, the best teams? I think so.

And if all of the former AL East teams made the playoffs one year, well tough luck. If they were the top 5 teams based on a balanced schedule, they earned it.

The 5th best team is going to finish around 86-76. If a team can't aspire to an 86-76 record in any given year, then they probably know they're not in it before the season even starts.

Tragg
08-18-2011, 05:43 PM
Bill Madden was on WBZ-FM this morning and says MLB is tossing around a few ideas for 2013 when the 2 wild card system is almost sure to be put in place.

One idea he says Selig did not dismiss is just whacked....:scratch:

Teams would play a balanced schedule....and then EVERY winter MLB would have a 'draw' for division or group play like the World Cup in soccer.

So in theory you could have the White Sox in the same division one year with NYY, Boston or BOTH.

But making divisions a random draw would eliminated the politics involved and since it would be a balanced schedule travel is not a factor.
Then just eliminate divisions. Although Roman's right that divisions mitigate, to some extent, Yankee/Bosox in the playoffs each year

getonbckthr
08-18-2011, 09:22 PM
Bill Madden was on WBZ-FM this morning and says MLB is tossing around a few ideas for 2013 when the 2 wild card system is almost sure to be put in place.

One idea he says Selig did not dismiss is just whacked....:scratch:

Teams would play a balanced schedule....and then EVERY winter MLB would have a 'draw' for division or group play like the World Cup in soccer.

So in theory you could have the White Sox in the same division one year with NYY, Boston or BOTH.

But making divisions a random draw would eliminated the politics involved and since it would be a balanced schedule travel is not a factor.
If they were to make the DH universal and they were to do this every 5 years opposed to every year I think that would be somewaht interesting.

TDog
08-18-2011, 10:46 PM
Baseball would not do anything to increase the advantage of big-market, big money teams. Baseball is looking for ways to minimize the advantage, short of imposing a salary cap.