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LITTLE NELL
08-07-2011, 02:20 PM
I think with the pop that Lilibridge has shown this year maybe he should be given a shot at 3B, This guy can catch the ball wherever he plays and with Morel with 1 homer and 18 RBIs it might be worth a try down the stretch.

sox1970
08-07-2011, 02:21 PM
No.

DumpJerry
08-07-2011, 02:23 PM
No.

Frater Perdurabo
08-07-2011, 02:23 PM
No.

doublem23
08-07-2011, 02:25 PM
Nah

Brian26
08-07-2011, 02:25 PM
Nah.

Boondock Saint
08-07-2011, 02:26 PM
I don't think he has the reflexes or the arm for it.

DumpJerry
08-07-2011, 02:27 PM
I don't think he has the reflexes or the arm for it.
We'll take that as a "no."

Noneck
08-07-2011, 02:37 PM
Nope

WhiteSox5187
08-07-2011, 02:37 PM
Nien.

rockinrobin23
08-07-2011, 02:45 PM
noway

VMSNS
08-07-2011, 02:48 PM
Negative.

SoxNation05
08-07-2011, 02:49 PM
Nie.

ChiSoxGal85
08-07-2011, 02:52 PM
Nevah.

Taliesinrk
08-07-2011, 03:00 PM
no way, jose

chisoxjtrain
08-07-2011, 03:00 PM
Níl

hi im skot
08-07-2011, 03:02 PM
Pass.

whitesox4eva
08-07-2011, 03:09 PM
nope

ElevenUp
08-07-2011, 03:11 PM
Sure, why not?

Fred Manrique
08-07-2011, 03:12 PM
Lillibridge for third (pause) (pause) (pause) NOT!!!

LITTLE NELL
08-07-2011, 03:15 PM
Sure, why not?

Gee, where did you come from?

asindc
08-07-2011, 03:31 PM
Nah...

hi im skot
08-07-2011, 03:32 PM
http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/This-Thread-Delivers/1/pizzathreaddelivers.jpg

TaylorStSox
08-07-2011, 03:45 PM
niet

MetroPD
08-07-2011, 03:55 PM
Sure. The guy hits better than Rios, and isn't that bad of a fielder. Morel isn't exactly the slickest guy in the field, though his arm is a bit better than Lillibridge

TomBradley72
08-07-2011, 04:12 PM
Morel is hitting .342 after the All Star break and brings a good glove and great arm.

I like Lillibridge as a rotating super sub-

SI1020
08-07-2011, 04:16 PM
I haven't given up on Morel. I like his overall fielding ability and if he can hit about .270 with a little more pop and take a walk every now and then I'm OK with him.

34rancher
08-07-2011, 04:17 PM
No we have a perfectly good power hitting spot available at DH.

Zisk77
08-07-2011, 04:50 PM
Yes!...in bizarro world, so...No!

soxinem1
08-07-2011, 04:54 PM
He has a hard enough time throwing from SS and 2B.

Besides, I think he has found his niche, and that is playing in spurts, and at several positions.

But anywhere full-time? Uh, no. Especially 3B.

Crestani
08-07-2011, 05:05 PM
NO!~ Please don't give Ozzie any more crazy ideas..!!

soxinem1
08-07-2011, 05:07 PM
NO!~ Please don't give Ozzie any more crazy ideas..!!

At least Mackowiak isn't around for Ozzie to try at 3B... :D:

Carneyman14
08-07-2011, 05:13 PM
Tim5nU3DwIE

g0g0
08-07-2011, 05:13 PM
iie

Just utility IMO

Chez
08-07-2011, 05:38 PM
Negatory good buddy.

tstrike2000
08-07-2011, 05:47 PM
Probably not a good idea.

Quentin08
08-07-2011, 05:51 PM
I actually think it's a good idea...


















NOT!

S-SideTrifecta
08-07-2011, 05:53 PM
Why not? He is leaps and bounds better than Tehan I bet.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
08-07-2011, 05:54 PM
Mr. Luthor, Brent Lillibridge is the answer at third base, sir, because -

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p156/ParaSytius/lex-luthor-wrong.jpg

hawkjt
08-07-2011, 05:58 PM
Nae.

Boondock Saint
08-07-2011, 06:07 PM
Why not? He is leaps and bounds better than Tehan I bet.

Mark Teahen isn't on the team anymore.

And no, he isn't. Let's not get carried away because he hits a home run occasionally.

slavko
08-07-2011, 06:54 PM
The cute little guy gets mildly warm for a few days and we go ape. Calm down. It never lasts. He's a useful player but not as a regular anything. And he can't hit the breaking ball.

oldgrouch
08-07-2011, 07:41 PM
Mark Teahen isn't on the team anymore.

And no, he isn't. Let's not get carried away because he hits a home run occasionally.


Is this the Mark Teahen who will haunt the Sox when they play Toronto?

jdm2662
08-07-2011, 07:47 PM
At least Mackowiak isn't around for Ozzie to try at 3B... :D:

3B was actually Rob's natural position.

And yes, please keep Brent in his role as super sub. He's not an every day player, and I especially don't like him playing 3B. Hell, I don't even like him at 1B. However, I wouldn't mind riding his latest hot streak for another day or so.

kittle42
08-07-2011, 08:12 PM
And yes, please keep Brent in his role as super sub. He's not an every day player, and I especially don't like him playing 3B. Hell, I don't even like him at 1B. However, I wouldn't mind riding his latest hot streak for another day or so.

Amen. He's proven already this season that he is not an everyday player, but can be very useful if used right (which Ozzie does, generally).

Boondock Saint
08-07-2011, 08:35 PM
Is this the Mark Teahen who will haunt the Sox when they play Toronto?

Again, let's not act like Lillibridge is an everyday player now. He's up to 17 RBI and 42 SO's in 132 AB's.

balke
08-07-2011, 09:13 PM
Again, let's not act like Lillibridge is an everyday player now. He's up to 17 RBI and 42 SO's in 132 AB's.


Yeah that's like as many RBI as Morel in half the at-bats. And don't get me wrong - Lillibridge won't be the 3Bman but arguing his offense is kinda not a good point to make.

Aesero
08-07-2011, 09:55 PM
No because it's more amusing watching him come off the bench to replace Dunn. That way Dunn can see a guy 100 pounds lighter and 7 inches shorter hit homeruns while he continues to struggle.

kaufsox
08-08-2011, 09:43 AM
Amen. He's proven already this season that he is not an everyday player, but can be very useful if used right (which Ozzie does, generally).

yep, I LOVE Lillylongball, but he isn't an everyday guy as his mid season struggles have shown. He's a great guy to have around, can play a lot of positions in a pinch, and he'll have a job for quite some time around the league, which is nice because he seems like a genuinely nice guy. BTW, after today, Dunn should feel a little bit embarrassed. Lilly comes in, plays a better 1B, hits a dinger and hustles. Dunn could learn a thing or two.

Procol Harum
08-08-2011, 09:58 AM
Nope--let's not go crazy. Lillibridge looks like he could be a valuable long-term utility guy and pinch-hitter, but he doesn't have the day-in/day-out steady hand to be a starter. He's proved that the last two years. And he's definitely not a guy I'd stick at 3rd.

asindc
08-08-2011, 10:03 AM
yep, I LOVE Lillylongball, but he isn't an everyday guy as his mid season struggles have shown. He's a great guy to have around, can play a lot of positions in a pinch, and he'll have a job for quite some time around the league, which is nice because he seems like a genuinely nice guy. BTW, after today, Dunn should feel a little bit embarrassed. Lilly comes in, plays a better 1B, hits a dinger and hustles. Dunn could learn a thing or two.

Your comments raise a hypothetical in my mind:

Given each player's average contributions over the course of their careers, which lineup would win more games, given the same pitching staff, 9 Lillibridges or 9 Dunns?

SOXSINCE'70
08-08-2011, 10:10 AM
No.

kittle42
08-08-2011, 10:24 AM
I am sure the OP isn't all that proud of having his idea almost unanimously run into the ground, but it is really, really rare to get so many people at WSI to agree on something. Kudos, I say!!!

PalehosePlanet
08-08-2011, 11:02 AM
I don't think the OP stated that we should just give Lilli the job permanently. I have no problem with giving him a few starts there to see how it goes. Why not? The season is shot anyway, and Morel absolutely sucks at the plate. Zero pop, can't steal a base, can't bunt, won't take a walk, and takes defensive swings on hitters counts.

Lilli is a better OF'er than IF'er, that's for sure, but I'd throw him out there at 3B while he's hot. If he's a total butcher, then bring no-stick Morel back into the stating lineup for his defense.

Oh, and after the first three or four "no" responses, with zero reasons given to oppose the OP, the next 20 or so were no longer funny but simply obnoxious.

kittle42
08-08-2011, 11:19 AM
I don't think the OP stated that we should just give Lilli the job permanently. I have no problem with giving him a few starts there to see how it goes. Why not? The season is shot anyway, and Morel absolutely sucks at the plate. Zero pop, can't steal a base, can't bunt, won't take a walk, and takes defensive swings on hitters counts.


I do think we can all agree that Brent Morel is a strong AAA 3B option.

Tragg
08-08-2011, 11:52 AM
Morel's a rookie who fields his position and who hit reasonably well in the minors; maybe with some "different" coaching, he could hit acceptably.
Meanwhile, if Lilibridge can play 3B, then Omar is the excess.

Risk
08-08-2011, 11:55 AM
Nuh-uh.

Risk

Rocky Soprano
08-08-2011, 02:23 PM
No (en espanol).

kaufsox
08-08-2011, 02:24 PM
I do think we can all agree that Brent Morel is a strong AAA 3B option.

I feel bad for Morel regarding this. His BA was listed during the last home stand from Single A up to AAA, and he was a .300+ hitter at every stop. Unfortunately, that leap to the majors just doesn't seem to be happening. I hope he can figure it out, at least a little, because he has very little to prove at AAA, and there isn't a AAAA, well except Kansas City.

asindc
08-08-2011, 02:56 PM
I feel bad for Morel regarding this. His BA was listed during the last home stand from Single A up to AAA, and he was a .300+ hitter at every stop. Unfortunately, that leap to the majors just doesn't seem to be happening. I hope he can figure it out, at least a little, because he has very little to prove at AAA, and there isn't a AAAA, well except Kansas City.

Robin Ventura also tore it up at every level before the majors and then struggled mightily when he first got here.

kufram
08-08-2011, 03:33 PM
If some players didn't struggle for a while at mlb level as opposed to AAA then there would be no difference between the two. There is.

I'm not saying Morel is going to go to the next level but it's too early to make that decision because he has proven himself to at least some extent. Considering the damage caused by the last couple of guys fielding that position it is good that at least we have a pretty safe pair of hands down there and he has shown a little bit of ability with bat control. I think he will be ok but we have to give the kid a little more time.

There is a reason why there aren't very many superstars in their early 20s in baseball.

kittle42
08-08-2011, 04:30 PM
There is a reason why there aren't very many superstars in their early 20s in baseball.

But he wasn't a superstar in AAA either.

kaufsox
08-08-2011, 04:45 PM
But he wasn't a superstar in AAA either.

He did about as good as Viciedo is doing right now, and a lot of folks want him up yesterday. Morel was actually a little better than Viciedo .320BA/.376OBP/.503 SLG as compared to DV at .299/.364/.485. Viciedo has played a few more games at AAA at this point, but not a lot. As I said earlier, I hope he gets it together at the MLB level.

kufram
08-08-2011, 04:59 PM
But he wasn't a superstar in AAA either.

Who cares who's a superstar in AAA?

wassagstdu
08-08-2011, 05:16 PM
Stats (if you don't look too far) say Lil should be our DH. In fact, a lot of pitchers should be our DH -- or my grandmother.

kittle42
08-08-2011, 05:19 PM
Who cares who's a superstar in AAA?

I am certain - absolutely certain - there are many exceptions, but stardom in the minors is a decent indicator of ability on the majors.

doublem23
08-08-2011, 05:24 PM
He did about as good as Viciedo is doing right now, and a lot of folks want him up yesterday. Morel was actually a little better than Viciedo .320BA/.376OBP/.503 SLG as compared to DV at .299/.364/.485. Viciedo has played a few more games at AAA at this point, but not a lot. As I said earlier, I hope he gets it together at the MLB level.

Those numbers don't mean much without age

kittle42
08-08-2011, 05:31 PM
Those numbers don't mean much without age

:hawk
Don't tell me what you hit, tell me what age you were when you hit 'em.

balke
08-08-2011, 06:00 PM
Robin Ventura also tore it up at every level before the majors and then struggled mightily when he first got here.

He was also inducted into the collegiate baseball hall of Fame. I don't think Morel will ever be Ventura. Looks so far like he won't even be Beckham.

kaufsox
08-09-2011, 10:04 AM
Those numbers don't mean much without age

fair enough, currently Viciedo is 22 and last year Morel was 23. I would say fairly comparable. Of course Viciedo might be a little suspect coming from Cuba and all.

PalehosePlanet
08-09-2011, 12:46 PM
If some players didn't struggle for a while at mlb level as opposed to AAA then there would be no difference between the two. There is.

I'm not saying Morel is going to go to the next level but it's too early to make that decision because he has proven himself to at least some extent. Considering the damage caused by the last couple of guys fielding that position it is good that at least we have a pretty safe pair of hands down there and he has shown a little bit of ability with bat control. I think he will be ok but we have to give the kid a little more time.

There is a reason why there aren't very many superstars in their early 20s in baseball.

There is a huge middle ground between being a superstar and what Morel is doing at the plate, which is absolutely nothing. No one here expected him to have a great season. I personally thought about a .240-.250 avg., with about a dozen dingers and 50-60 RBI. That's not too much to ask of a rookie, imo.

What I expect, especially in hitters counts, is to see him make contact in front of the plate and drive some balls on occasion. Not taking defensive swings and taking the ball out of the catchers glove for a pop-up or roller to the right side.

Unintentionally slapping the ball the other way does not equal bat control.

Tragg
08-09-2011, 01:04 PM
If some players didn't struggle for a while at mlb level as opposed to AAA then there would be no difference between the two. There is.

I'm not saying Morel is going to go to the next level but it's too early to make that decision because he has proven himself to at least some extent. Considering the damage caused by the last couple of guys fielding that position it is good that at least we have a pretty safe pair of hands down there and he has shown a little bit of ability with bat control. I think he will be ok but we have to give the kid a little more time.

There is a reason why there aren't very many superstars in their early 20s in baseball.
I agree - and it's not like we have a better alternative right now.

kufram
08-09-2011, 02:37 PM
There is a huge middle ground between being a superstar and what Morel is doing at the plate, which is absolutely nothing. No one here expected him to have a great season. I personally thought about a .240-.250 avg., with about a dozen dingers and 50-60 RBI. That's not too much to ask of a rookie, imo.

What I expect, especially in hitters counts, is to see him make contact in front of the plate and drive some balls on occasion. Not taking defensive swings and taking the ball out of the catchers glove for a pop-up or roller to the right side.

Unintentionally slapping the ball the other way does not equal bat control.

I take your points. All I'm saying is that it is too early to make a judgement on Morel. I'm not so sure that the hits to right are all unintentional. A rookie on a team with our offensive woes has no one showing the way either.

My actual point was that after all the defensive problems we've had at 3rd post-Crede at least Morel is a fairly safe pair of hands over there, and he will get much better defensively in my opinion because he does make some mistakes. Some of the runs he and rest of the infield save us are as good as rbis

PalehosePlanet
08-09-2011, 02:52 PM
I take your points. All I'm saying is that it is too early to make a judgement on Morel. I'm not so sure that the hits to right are all unintentional. A rookie on a team with our offensive woes has no one showing the way either.

My actual point was that after all the defensive problems we've had at 3rd post-Crede at least Morel is a fairly safe pair of hands over there, and he will get much better defensively in my opinion because he does make some mistakes. Some of the runs he and rest of the infield save us are as good as rbis

I agree on the defensive points; and you're right I think he will get even better defensively.

Also, yes maybe there are no real example setters and/or hitting coach help at the moment, but he needs to show at least one offensive skill sooner rather than later or he won't last very long in this league.

Hopefully something clicks --- soon. If not I have a feeling we'll have a new 3B next year or for 2013.