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DirtySox
07-30-2011, 11:32 AM
BNightengale (http://twitter.com/#%21/BNightengale) Bob Nightengale
#mlb (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23mlb) #Red (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Red) Sox pushing hard for Carlos Quentin and LHP Thornton, but #White (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23White) Sox would have to be overwhelmed with prospects# tradedeadline
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Zakath
07-30-2011, 11:33 AM
This is getting to be as bad as the Big Ten expansion rumors were a couple of years ago.

Like someone else said, until there's an airport involved, I'm going to start tuning these out.

DirtySox
07-30-2011, 11:40 AM
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Ken_Rosenthal (http://twitter.com/#%21/Ken_Rosenthal) Ken Rosenthal
Source: #RedSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23RedSox) also want Thornton, as reported by @BNightengale (http://twitter.com/BNightengale). Thornton could go. Quentin may be more a winter move. #tradedeadline (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23tradedeadline) #MLB (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23MLB)
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Tragg
07-30-2011, 12:07 PM
"Overwhelm" Kenny with an offer.
I don't think this team can win the WS with Quentin; but still stand a good shot at the division without him.
But it must be "overwhelming"

EMel9281
07-30-2011, 12:36 PM
I'd take it for Ellsbury.

LITTLE NELL
07-30-2011, 01:20 PM
Gee, maybe we can get Bobby Jenks back in a package deal.

BNLSox
07-30-2011, 01:22 PM
If we are able to win the division we are very likely going to be pitted against the Red Sox in the first round. I'd hate to see either of these guys against us in the post season.

Brian26
07-30-2011, 01:29 PM
If we are able to win the division we are very likely going to be pitted against the Red Sox in the first round. I'd hate to see either of these guys against us in the post season.

It's not illogical to think the White Sox could beat the Red Sox in a best of five first round series. The greater task is getting there.

WhiteSox5187
07-30-2011, 01:33 PM
Depending on who the Red Sox offer (and I am not too familiar with their farm system at all) I would probably make this trade. I know that Quentin is probably our second best hitter right now but he is so damned streaky that he could very easily hit .100 in August and it's not like he's Ichiro out there defensively. I think Sale is ready to step up and replace Thornton. I think you can give up these two guys and still contend and win the division but you HAVE to get a good return and what makes me weary of this possibility is I am not so sure I trust Kenny's talent evaluation.

kittle42
07-30-2011, 01:57 PM
I love that we all seem to agree that the Sox are pretty damn mediocre, but no one wants to trade any of the players except the worst ones.

That is not reality.

PalehosePlanet
07-30-2011, 02:46 PM
I love that we all seem to agree that the Sox are pretty damn mediocre, but no one wants to trade any of the players except the worst ones.

That is not reality.

Seems to me that the general consensus has been to go ahead and trade Thornton. He's certainly not one of our worst players.

Trading Q is obviously a dilemma.

Zakath
07-30-2011, 02:50 PM
It's not illogical to think the White Sox could beat the Red Sox in a best of five first round series. The greater task is getting there.

You'd have to think that of any potential first-round matchup, the Red Sox really don't want to see Chicago. If they hold on and win the East, they're going to get the Central winner (West winner will definitely have a better record), and you'd have to think they'd rather see Detroit or Cleveland, or even Minnesota if disaster occurs.

We're in their heads, just as the Twins are in ours.

Foulke You
07-30-2011, 04:22 PM
Seems to me that the general consensus has been to go ahead and trade Thornton. He's certainly not one of our worst players.

Trading Q is obviously a dilemma.
Exactly. Our bullpen can asbsorb Thornton's loss and we still would have a great shot at tracking down the Tigers. Quentin is another matter completely. Without Quentin, we are really punting on 2011 unless we add a bat with a trade. Viciedo is NOT a lock to duplicate Quentin's production and I think it would be foolish to think that he is going to step in immediately in a pennant race and be just as productive as Q. I'd hate to lose this division by 1 or 2 games and Viciedo struggled down the stretch run, you'd hate to think about the what ifs.

WSox597
07-30-2011, 05:31 PM
I wonder what the two players think about this trade talk. From seeing the soap opera that sometimes surrounds the White Sox, it may be that they're ready to go somewhere else.

I realize it's a business, and trades are part of it. But, if I was a player, would it be better to play for Boston or NY, or to play for an organization usually in disarray like the Sox?

I think most would pick the other teams if given the chance to pick.

When you think about it, playing for the White Sox or the Cubs has to rank as a career nightmare most years. Many years, if you could somehow combine the two teams, the resulting team would still finish out of the money. It can be depressing being a fan of baseball here.

You just KNOW, somehow they're going to mess up. Be it a stupid trade, last minute managerial idiocy, something will screw the team.

2005 was an anomaly in Chicago baseball, that's for sure. The reality is what's happened since, unfortunately.

Ah well, it's only a game. It's not like anybody dies from a losing season. LOL

asindc
07-30-2011, 06:11 PM
I wonder what the two players think about this trade talk. From seeing the soap opera that sometimes surrounds the White Sox, it may be that they're ready to go somewhere else.

I realize it's a business, and trades are part of it. But, if I was a player, would it be better to play for Boston or NY, or to play for an organization usually in disarray like the Sox?

I think most would pick the other teams if given the chance to pick.

When you think about it, playing for the White Sox or the Cubs has to rank as a career nightmare most years. Many years, if you could somehow combine the two teams, the resulting team would still finish out of the money. It can be depressing being a fan of baseball here.

You just KNOW, somehow they're going to mess up. Be it a stupid trade, last minute managerial idiocy, something will screw the team.

2005 was an anomaly in Chicago baseball, that's for sure. The reality is what's happened since, unfortunately.

Ah well, it's only a game. It's not like anybody dies from a losing season. LOL

Disarray?

sullythered
07-30-2011, 06:23 PM
Disarray?

Sure. It's evident by all the players who have left the Sox once they got to free agency in recent years. Oh, wait, nobody left.

WhiteSox5187
07-30-2011, 09:53 PM
Here is a question, when is the last time Quentin got a base hit? Was it on Monday? It seems like he is popping EVERYTHING up now which means it might be awhile before he is contributing offensively again.

JB98
07-30-2011, 10:01 PM
Here is a question, when is the last time Quentin got a base hit? Was it on Monday? It seems like he is popping EVERYTHING up now which means it might be awhile before he is contributing offensively again.

0-for-13 with a walk his last 14 plate appearances.

Last base hit was in the 7th inning of Monday's game.

WhiteSox5187
07-30-2011, 10:08 PM
0-for-13 with a walk his last 14 plate appearances.

Last base hit was in the 7th inning of Monday's game.

This is what is so troubling with Quentin and EXACTLY why I would deal him, he can carry a team for a week or two and then look absolutely lost for just as long and sometimes longer.

sullythered
07-30-2011, 10:36 PM
This is what is so troubling with Quentin and EXACTLY why I would deal him, he can carry a team for a week or two and then look absolutely lost for just as long and sometimes longer.

Everybody not named Pujols or Cabrera look lost for some weeks during the baseball season. Few players can carry a team for weeks. The good vastly outweighs the bad, as far as value goes.

WhiteSox5187
07-30-2011, 11:20 PM
Everybody not named Pujols or Cabrera look lost for some weeks during the baseball season. Few players can carry a team for weeks. The good vastly outweighs the bad, as far as value goes.

What the White Sox need right now is some consistency with their offense (though I suppose one could make the argument that the Sox offense has been consistently bad) and Quentin is anything but consistent. I am not proposing just giving Quentin away but if we can get some good young prospects for Quentin I would trade him. Trading him would free up some payroll, give Vicideo a chance to play and give us a chance to get younger. I don't know if Quentin's value will ever be higher, I think the time has come to give Vicideo a chance and right now Quentin is the odd man out.

Nellie_Fox
07-31-2011, 12:21 AM
What the White Sox need right now is some consistency with their offense (though I suppose one could make the argument that the Sox offense has been consistently bad) and Quentin is anything but consistent. I am not proposing just giving Quentin away but if we can get some good young prospects for Quentin I would trade him. Trading him would free up some payroll, give Vicideo a chance to play and give us a chance to get younger. I don't know if Quentin's value will ever be higher, I think the time has come to give Vicideo a chance and right now Quentin is the odd man out.:facepalm:

Boondock Saint
07-31-2011, 12:44 AM
What the White Sox need right now is some consistency with their offense (though I suppose one could make the argument that the Sox offense has been consistently bad) and Quentin is anything but consistent. I am not proposing just giving Quentin away but if we can get some good young prospects for Quentin I would trade him. Trading him would free up some payroll, give Vicideo a chance to play and give us a chance to get younger. I don't know if Quentin's value will ever be higher, I think the time has come to give Vicideo a chance and right now Quentin is the odd man out.

:facepalm:

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WhiteSox5187
07-31-2011, 01:02 AM
:facepalm:

Oh God you must have had no idea who I was talking about!

Nellie_Fox
07-31-2011, 01:11 AM
Oh God you must have had no idea who I was talking about!I'm just amazed at wanting to get rid of Quentin to give a chance to a guy whose name you don't even know.

WhiteSox5187
07-31-2011, 01:14 AM
I'm just amazed at wanting to get rid of Quentin to give a chance to a guy whose name you don't even know.

I spelt his name wrong by one letter, and our GM traded for a guy whose name he didn't know.

sullythered
07-31-2011, 01:24 AM
I spelt his name wrong by one letter, and our GM traded for a guy whose name he didn't know.

You also just spelled "spelled" incorrectly, which I find just deliciously amusing.

Boondock Saint
07-31-2011, 01:32 AM
You also just spelled "spelled" incorrectly, which I find just deliciously amusing.

"Spelt" is a perfectly acceptable replacement for "spelled".

Nellie_Fox
07-31-2011, 01:33 AM
You also just spelled "spelled" incorrectly, which I find just deliciously amusing."Spelt" is a seldom used, archaic but correct, past tense/past participle for spell. It's almost never used, but it's not wrong.

balke
07-31-2011, 02:25 PM
"Spelt" is a seldom used, archaic but correct, past tense/past participle for spell. It's almost never used, but it's not wrong.


Not used because it's British English - wrong because we aren't in the UK. Unless the original poster is in the UK.

DSpivack
07-31-2011, 02:27 PM
Here's a trade deadline question I have: If two teams are playing one another and the game goes past the deadline, can they get an extension so as not to announce the trade until the game is over? Or would the commissioner's office receive the paperwork before the deadline and the teams just would wait to announce the trade until after the game?

GoGoCrede
07-31-2011, 02:52 PM
Here's a trade deadline question I have: If two teams are playing one another and the game goes past the deadline, can they get an extension so as not to announce the trade until the game is over? Or would the commissioner's office receive the paperwork before the deadline and the teams just would wait to announce the trade until after the game?

I remember Jon Garland simply switching dugouts a few years back.

slavko
07-31-2011, 07:08 PM
"Spelt" is a seldom used, archaic but correct, past tense/past participle for spell. It's almost never used, but it's not wrong.

Spelt, smelt, dwelt, dealt, crept, leapt, felt, lent, meant, taught, bought. The list goes on. Oh well, it got my mind off the team for an instant.

Zakath
07-31-2011, 11:59 PM
Spelt, smelt, dwelt, dealt, crept, leapt, felt, lent, meant, taught, bought. The list goes on. Oh well, it got my mind off the team for an instant.

The first two are much less common than the traditional past tense version: spelled and smelled. Dwelt is actually more commonly used than dwelled. Leapt and leaped are probably equally used. The rest are the more common
past tense versions, as you would never see dealed, creeped, feeled, lended, meaned, teached, and buyed.

sullythered
08-01-2011, 10:38 AM
"Spelt" is a seldom used, archaic but correct, past tense/past participle for spell. It's almost never used, but it's not wrong.
I stand corrected. I failed to consult "Ye Olde Dictionary of Seldom-Used, Archaic Word Options."

slavko
08-01-2011, 04:40 PM
I stand corrected. I failed to consult "Ye Olde Dictionary of Seldom-Used, Archaic Word Options."

As long as we're BS'ing here: "Ye" was never an archaic way of saying "The." The "th" sound 1000 years ago was represented by a letter no longer used in English (thorn) which in script happens to look a lot like a "Y." So our modern eyes (if they haven't been taught otherwise) see a "Y" and say "Ye."

"The" was always pronounced just as it is today. Isn't this more fun than bad baseball?

sullythered
08-01-2011, 06:40 PM
As long as we're BS'ing here: "Ye" was never an archaic way of saying "The." The "th" sound 1000 years ago was represented by a letter no longer used in English (thorn) which in script happens to look a lot like a "Y." So our modern eyes (if they haven't been taught otherwise) see a "Y" and say "Ye."

"The" was always pronounced just as it is today. Isn't this more fun than bad baseball?
That is pretty damn interesting. And yes, it's much better than bad baseball.

TommyJohn
08-01-2011, 09:42 PM
As long as we're BS'ing here: "Ye" was never an archaic way of saying "The." The "th" sound 1000 years ago was represented by a letter no longer used in English (thorn) which in script happens to look a lot like a "Y." So our modern eyes (if they haven't been taught otherwise) see a "Y" and say "Ye."

"The" was always pronounced just as it is today. Isn't this more fun than bad baseball?
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