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DirtySox
07-30-2011, 12:17 PM
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Sources: #Rangers (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Rangers) pursuing #WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox)'s Thornton. White Sox want Holland in return. #tradedeadline (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23tradedeadline) #MLB (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23MLB)
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DirtySox
07-30-2011, 12:21 PM
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Source: #Rangers (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Rangers) would only move Holland for Thornton if #WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox) expanded deal to include a starter such as Danks. #tradedeadline (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23tradedeadline) #MLB (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23MLB)
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Zakath
07-30-2011, 12:22 PM
I'm not sure Texas is going to part with a guy who looks like he's started to become a top-flight pitcher (3 complete game shutouts in his last 10 starts) for a reliever who's soon to be 35, left-handed or not.

Add Danks to the deal and we're the ones getting ripped off. Holland only has one-half of a decent season under his belt; Danks is a sub-4 ERA pitcher who is easily a #2 on anybody's staff.

samurai_sox
07-30-2011, 12:26 PM
I think its funny the Rangers want Danks back.

Maybe they should have never traded him??

blandman
07-30-2011, 12:33 PM
Holland has tremendous stuff, and suffers simply from an unreasonably high BABIP. His other stats point toward him being very very VERY good down the line. Let's see if we could get a little more, but I certainly don't think Danks/Thornton for Holland would be unreasonable, especially if they're not expecting cash.

Gavin
07-30-2011, 01:09 PM
It would unbelievably awesome if KW could unload Thornton for some good talent.

I do not want to see Danks traded, though. He had one bad month marooned by amazing stats.

Tragg
07-30-2011, 01:13 PM
They'll give us Holland for Danks: how generous.

Edit: I'm watching Holland pitch right now: he's got that high arm delivery - like Jack McDowell.
To me, that delivery always looks like an injury waiting to happen.

KRS1
07-30-2011, 01:50 PM
Add Danks to the deal and we're the ones getting ripped off. Holland only has one-half of a decent season under his belt; Danks is a sub-4 ERA pitcher who is easily a #2 on anybody's staff.

This. I hope Kenny tells them to go pound sand.

blandman
07-30-2011, 01:53 PM
It would unbelievably awesome if KW could unload Thornton for some good talent.

I do not want to see Danks traded, though. He had one bad month marooned by amazing stats.

And we'll see it at most for one more year. Might as well get a potentially better pitcher primed to breakout in the next year if we can. Holland's got less than 2 years service time after this season.

blandman
07-30-2011, 01:54 PM
They'll give us Holland for Danks: how generous.

Edit: I'm watching Holland pitch right now: he's got that high arm delivery - like Jack McDowell.
To me, that delivery always looks like an injury waiting to happen.

Because of one guy?

I love when people think they're doctors.

edit: for the record, the only time there are injury issues with high deliveries, the real issue is that the arm is late, rotating after the lead foot plants. This is NOT an issue with Holland. His mechanics are solid.

Gavin
07-30-2011, 02:02 PM
I'm not sure Texas is going to part with a guy who looks like he's started to become a top-flight pitcher (3 complete game shutouts in his last 10 starts) for a reliever who's soon to be 35, left-handed or not.

Add Danks to the deal and we're the ones getting ripped off. Holland only has one-half of a decent season under his belt; Danks is a sub-4 ERA pitcher who is easily a #2 on anybody's staff.

And we'll see it at most for one more year. Might as well get a potentially better pitcher primed to breakout in the next year if we can. Holland's got less than 2 years service time after this season.

Give up a proven talent with another year on his contract for some guy who may or may not work out. I don't get it.

blandman
07-30-2011, 02:05 PM
Give up a proven talent with another year on his contract for some guy who may or may not work out. I don't get it.

Holland's already one of the better left handed starters in the league. He throws 96-98 with a wicked slider and two other plus pitches. His only comparable in baseball is David Price. That's why it would take Danks and Thornton to trade for him. Danks might not even be better than him in the second half this year. Kid's got three complete game shutouts in the last two months. He's already coming on.

PalehosePlanet
07-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Holland for Thornton is lopsided in our favor. Danks and Thornton for Holland is lopsided in their favor. More players would have to be involved either way.

Lets just hope Ozzie doesn't have a say, because Julio Borbon will be coming to Chicago if he has any input.

blandman
07-30-2011, 02:16 PM
Holland for Thornton is lopsided in our favor. Danks and Thornton for Holland is lopsided in their favor. More players would have to be involved either way.

Lets just hope Ozzie doesn't have a say, because Julio Borbon will be coming to Chicago if he has any input.

If I had Holland, I'd ask us to throw in Viciedo.

BNLSox
07-30-2011, 02:20 PM
Any idea what capacity Rangers' ownership has for taking on bad contracts? Could we force them to take Dunn or Rios in a deal?

PalehosePlanet
07-30-2011, 02:24 PM
Any idea what capacity Rangers' ownership has for taking on bad contracts? Could we force them to take Dunn or Rios in a deal?

The old ownership group headed by Tom Hicks was Bad Contract Central (A-Rod, Chan Ho Park, current Michael Young deal) but the new ownership group headed by Nolan Ryan is a lot more prudent. I doubt they would even consider either contract.

ViPeRx007
07-30-2011, 02:27 PM
Any idea what capacity Rangers' ownership has for taking on bad contracts? Could we force them to take Dunn or Rios in a deal?

That would be nice, but alas, I think we are stuck with those two. The only way they get rid of them is by eating salary...which almost seems worth it.

KRS1
07-30-2011, 02:31 PM
If I had Holland, I'd ask us to throw in Viciedo.

That's the thing about being sellers of a hot commodity. We are in no need to trade any one of these players, we are holding all the cards here and if someone is unwilling to part with the player we want in return, nuts to them.

blandman
07-30-2011, 02:38 PM
That's the thing about being sellers of a hot commodity. We are in no need to trade any one of these players, we are holding all the cards here and if someone is unwilling to part with the player we want in return, nuts to them.

It is not a sellers market, did you see what Houston wound up taking for Pence?

Teams are valuing top prospects higher than ever before.

KRS1
07-30-2011, 02:42 PM
It is not a sellers market, did you see what Houston wound up taking for Pence?

Teams are valuing top prospects higher than ever before.

Two top 100 prospects plus a couple throw-ins, and that was their prerogative, not ours. We don't have to trade him, it's that simple.

Boondock Saint
07-30-2011, 02:42 PM
It is not a sellers market, did you see what Houston wound up taking for Pence?

Teams are valuing top prospects higher than ever before.

Yeah, two of Philly's top 5 prospects, and two others. Sounds pretty solid.

blandman
07-30-2011, 02:47 PM
Yeah, two of Philly's top 5 prospects, and two others. Sounds pretty solid.

Not really. Both guys are extremely high risk prospects. Cosart's had significant elbow issues and some serious command issues many scouts don't know if he'll ever get passed. As for Singleton, he's playing A ball and there are already concerns about his weight.

Being in the top five in someone's system doesn't mean squat, they're not all that great of prospects. That the Phillies were able to avoid packaging Brown is the most telling thing.

kittle42
07-30-2011, 02:54 PM
I have to just say it, I am loving blandman's posts. Agree or disagree with, he/she makes a statement, backs it up with more than throwaway cliches and hyperbole, and sticks to it. Also, great level of knowledge reflected, as most people here (and that is not an indictment, it's true of all fanbases) know very little about non-Sox players, especially prospects.

blandman
07-30-2011, 03:02 PM
I have to just say it, I am loving blandman's posts. Agree or disagree with, he/she makes a statement, backs it up with more than throwaway cliches and hyperbole, and sticks to it. Also, great level of knowledge reflected, as most people here (and that is not an indictment, it's true of all fanbases) know very little about non-Sox players, especially prospects.

Thanks. The Phils were a potential match for us, so I've read a lot of scouting reports on guys in their system.

Zakath
07-30-2011, 03:56 PM
Holland threw his 4th CG shutout of the season today, a 4-hitter at Toronto.

Makes me think it's less and less likely that the two teams pull off a deal.

russ99
07-30-2011, 05:14 PM
Not really. Both guys are extremely high risk prospects. Cosart's had significant elbow issues and some serious command issues many scouts don't know if he'll ever get passed. As for Singleton, he's playing A ball and there are already concerns about his weight.

Being in the top five in someone's system doesn't mean squat, they're not all that great of prospects. That the Phillies were able to avoid packaging Brown is the most telling thing.

That's Wade caving to make a deal now. What an awful GM...

sullythered
07-30-2011, 05:25 PM
I have to just say it, I am loving blandman's posts. Agree or disagree with, he/she makes a statement, backs it up with more than throwaway cliches and hyperbole, and sticks to it. Also, great level of knowledge reflected, as most people here (and that is not an indictment, it's true of all fanbases) know very little about non-Sox players, especially prospects.

Totally. I'de love to hear him do a breakdown of Derrick Rose.

blandman
07-30-2011, 05:41 PM
That's Wade caving to make a deal now. What an awful GM...

Worst in baseball, IMHO.

Totally. I'de love to hear him do a breakdown of Derrick Rose.

I guess the DLS jokes won't work anymore, so it'll be this. :cool:

Zakath
07-30-2011, 07:01 PM
Rangers reportedly (according to Fox) picked up Koji Uehara from the Orioles, so good chance that they're no longer interested in Thornton.

ESPN had reported a couple of hours ago that the Rangers were sending 1B Chris Davis and SP Tommy Hunter to Baltimore for Uehara.