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chisoxfanatic
07-27-2011, 05:06 PM
Sale's been pitching lights out! He actually was given 2 2/3 innings of work today. Do you see Ozzie deciding to stretch him out the rest of the season, as well as next Spring Training, to prepare him to become a full-time starter?

TheOldRoman
07-27-2011, 05:11 PM
I think he will start the year in the minors to get him stretched out without throwing him into the fire. The Sox won't have him pitch 200 inning next year, and presumably he will get more days off down there. He will probably be back up before the end of the season.

chisoxfanatic
07-27-2011, 05:15 PM
I think he will start the year in the minors to get him stretched out without throwing him into the fire. The Sox won't have him pitch 200 inning next year, and presumably he will get more days off down there. He will probably be back up before the end of the season.
Oh, absolutely he won't get 200 innings. I'm really wondering if Ozzie goes with a 6-man rotation next year. He did it for a good portion of this year, and that was the stretch where this team seemed to be clicking the best. I'd like to think that it might not be a bad idea to try again, especially if Sale is to join the rotation (not to mention Peavy probably couldn't shoulder 200 innings due to his health problems the past couple years -- he would benefit from the less innings as well).

voodoochile
07-27-2011, 05:18 PM
I think he'll be a starter next year. I'm not sure they'll go with 6-man rotation. I think that kind of happened due to Humber's hot start and the desire to not overwork Peavy as much as anything. I expect the team to go back to 5 man next year, but Humber may well be gone or Danks might get traded if he refuses to sign a long term deal.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 05:18 PM
I sure hope so. Preferably in the minors to work out the kinks and get stretched out.

OmahaSoxFan
07-27-2011, 05:18 PM
I can possibly even see Sale becoming the 5th starter in the rotation, as early as in the next few weeks if KW decides to deal another starter. But as for next season, I think its darn near a lock... especially since it looks like either Danks or Humber will most likely be moved by the start of next year. Chris has been getting the chance to come in, in relief and pitch quite a few innings and he has done the job masterfully. The next part of the puzzle is to give him a start or two sometime this season yet, and see what the guy can do!

chisoxfanatic
07-27-2011, 05:21 PM
I think he'll be a starter next year. I'm not sure they'll go with 6-man rotation. I think that kind of happened due to Humber's hot start and the desire to not overwork Peavy as much as anything. I expect the team to go back to 5 man next year, but Humber may well be gone or Danks might get traded if he refuses to sign a long term deal.
The 2 main reasons why I'm thinking a 6-man rotation may be a good idea would be that:


Sale would be pitching his first full season as a starter.
I just don't see Peavy being able to stay healthy if he's being asked to pitch every 5th day.

I think the extra day off for both of them would be beneficial.

voodoochile
07-27-2011, 05:27 PM
The 2 main reasons why I'm thinking a 6-man rotation may be a good idea would be that:


Sale would be pitching his first full season as a starter.
I just don't see Peavy being able to stay healthy if he's being asked to pitch every 5th day.

I think the extra day off for both of them would be beneficial.

Well if they can't hold onto Humber and/or Danks refuses to sign a multi-year deal it's wishful thinking because they'd be better served and it would be cheaper going with a more traditional pitching staff with a few competent middle relievers.

voodoochile
07-27-2011, 05:29 PM
I sure hope so. Preferably in the minors to work out the kinks and get stretched out.

He can get stretched out over the off season if they tell him too just by playing a bunch of long toss, then come into training camp and complete the job. If he can't get stretched out that way, starting him in the minors won't do the job either, IMO.

Crestani
07-27-2011, 05:39 PM
Absolutely he starts next year, unless of course Kenny trades him to the Yankees for Colon and Garcia..!!

DumpJerry
07-27-2011, 05:41 PM
Sale will be the Lady in Waiting for a spot in the rotation. He will eventually be a starter, but will have to wait for the opportunity to present itself.

There will not be a six man rotation next year. It was done this year because of Peavy's health and Humber's success. It remains to be seen if the name "Humber" is an alternative spelling for "Loaiza."

WhiteSox5187
07-27-2011, 05:56 PM
If he gets stretched out in the minors (either this year or next) then I have no problem if he cracks the rotation at some point in 2012 but I hope this isn't a case of the Sox just throwing him into the rotation without any starting experience at the professional level out of spring training.

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 06:40 PM
Sale will be the Lady in Waiting for a spot in the rotation. He will eventually be a starter, but will have to wait for the opportunity to present itself.

There will not be a six man rotation next year. It was done this year because of Peavy's health and Humber's success. It remains to be seen if the name "Humber" is an alternative spelling for "Loaiza."

Right now I'd think next year's rotation to be Danks-Peavy-Floyd-Sale-Humber. Floyd and Danks could be dealt before that, of course.

Domeshot17
07-27-2011, 06:51 PM
He should replace Buehrle After this year. However, it is Ozzie, so god knows. He is just as likely to put him at 3rd base.

voodoochile
07-27-2011, 06:59 PM
He should replace Buehrle this year. However, it is Ozzie, so god knows. He is just as likely to put him at 3rd base.

What the ****?

:rolleyes:

HaroMaster87
07-27-2011, 07:02 PM
He should replace Buehrle this year. However, it is Ozzie, so god knows. He is just as likely to put him at 3rd base.

Might wanna check Buerhle's numbers first, Chief..:scratch:

voodoochile
07-27-2011, 07:09 PM
Might wanna check Buerhle's numbers first, Chief..:scratch:

He's too busy taking shots at Ozzie to actually have a coherent plan past, "Ozzie is an idiot".

Daver
07-27-2011, 07:11 PM
If Sale starts next season the Sox better have James Andrews office on speed dial.

chisoxfanatic
07-27-2011, 07:24 PM
Right now I'd think next year's rotation to be Danks-Peavy-Floyd-Sale-Humber. Floyd and Danks could be dealt before that, of course.
I don't wanna even think of a rotation without Buehrle right now. :whiner:

Domeshot17
07-27-2011, 07:43 PM
Might wanna check Buerhle's numbers first, Chief..:scratch:


Meant after this year. My fault.

Domeshot17
07-27-2011, 07:45 PM
He's too busy taking shots at Ozzie to actually have a coherent plan past, "Ozzie is an idiot".

Ozzie is an idiot. I can only think of one spec who succeeded Under him. Danks. And he tends to be the exception to the rule.

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 07:47 PM
I don't wanna even think of a rotation without Buehrle right now. :whiner:

Unless he's willing to take a pay cut down from the $14 million he is currently making, he's gone. The Sox won't need a starter, anyway, if Sale joins the rotation and assuming Danks and Floyd aren't traded.

voodoochile
07-27-2011, 07:55 PM
Ozzie is an idiot. I can only think of one spec who succeeded Under him. Danks. And he tends to be the exception to the rule.

Sorry, I have no idea what that word means in this particular circumstance.

Domeshot17
07-27-2011, 08:12 PM
Sorry, I have no idea what that word means in this particular circumstance.

Spec= Prospect.

A. Cavatica
07-27-2011, 09:01 PM
The sale has already started.

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 09:21 PM
The sale has already started.

:party:
:whiteflag:

Noneck
07-27-2011, 09:28 PM
If Sale starts next season the Sox better have James Andrews office on speed dial.

If thats the case, I hope he has better luck than Black Jack did.

DumpJerry
07-27-2011, 09:45 PM
Ozzie is an idiot. I can only think of one spec who succeeded Under him. Danks. And he tends to be the exception to the rule.
Alexei is a specialist who seems to have done very good "under" Ozzie. Same with Bobby Jenks. Oh yeah, let's not forget some guy names Carlos Quentin who was considered a prospect when we got him.

Taliesinrk
07-27-2011, 10:24 PM
Alexei is a specialist who seems to have done very good "under" Ozzie. Same with Bobby Jenks. Oh yeah, let's not forget some guy names Carlos Quentin who was considered a prospect when we got him.

I guess we don't count Floyd or Santos either?

DumpJerry
07-27-2011, 10:35 PM
I guess we don't count Floyd or Santos either?
I did not want to waste more bandwidth than necessary to make my point, but you're correct.

sullythered
07-27-2011, 11:24 PM
If Sale starts next season the Sox better have James Andrews office on speed dial.

Yeah, cause his injury history is a mile long. :rolleyes:

HaroMaster87
07-27-2011, 11:49 PM
Yeah, cause his injury history is a mile long. :rolleyes:

They showed a camera shot of Sale warming up in the bullpen today and I thought "That super skinny little guy is gonna pitch 200 innings??? With that delivery???"

I dont know...

sullythered
07-28-2011, 02:45 AM
They showed a camera shot of Sale warming up in the bullpen today and I thought "That super skinny little guy is gonna pitch 200 innings??? With that delivery???"

I dont know...

http://www.nndb.com/people/823/000047682/randy-johnson-1-sized.jpg

"Yeah, you're probably right. Tall skinny hard throwing lefties with funky deliveries and wicked sliders never last."

Domeshot17
07-28-2011, 10:05 AM
Now Come on. Alexei was hardly a prospect when he came over. Floyd spent parts of 3 years in the show before he came over. Ozzie was sending Carlos to triple A to rot before injury opened up a spot and he didn't stop hitting. Jenks had some success yes, but he and Ozzie seemed to clash heads more than anything and Santos has been awesome. My point is Ozzie does not have a strong track record with youth. Most of his successes have been in Cooper projects. The 2 hitters we can come up with, Carlos was being benched for Wise until an injury opened a spot for him and Alexei was an international FA.

We might as well give Ozzie credit for Tadahito Iguchi then as well.

DumpJerry
07-28-2011, 10:12 AM
Now Come on. Alexei was hardly a prospect when he came over. Floyd spent parts of 3 years in the show before he came over. Ozzie was sending Carlos to triple A to rot before injury opened up a spot and he didn't stop hitting. Jenks had some success yes, but he and Ozzie seemed to clash heads more than anything and Santos has been awesome. My point is Ozzie does not have a strong track record with youth. Most of his successes have been in Cooper projects. The 2 hitters we can come up with, Carlos was being benched for Wise until an injury opened a spot for him and Alexei was an international FA.

We might as well give Ozzie credit for Tadahito Iguchi then as well.
I guess Joe Torre was the worst manager in MLB history. Joe Girardi is pretty bad, too.

When did player development become the responsibility of the manager of the big league club and not the responsibility of, oh, the Player Development Director....

Tragg
07-28-2011, 10:17 AM
The 2 hitters we can come up with, Carlos was being benched for Wise until an injury opened a spot for him and Alexei was an international FA.



Jerry Owens

GoSox2K3
07-28-2011, 11:39 AM
Right now I'd think next year's rotation to be Danks-Peavy-Floyd-Sale-Humber. Floyd and Danks could be dealt before that, of course.

Yep, Kenny has $43M committed to Dunn, Rios, and Peavy in 2012. Three horrible contracts that will make those guys practically untradeable. Plus others are due raises next year.

I don't see Buehrle coming back...especially after the great season he's having. The Sox are going to be slashing payroll big time. The fans aren't turning out to see this lousy team and season ticket renewals will probably drop for '12 too.

Since there is no accountability between Kenny's transactions, Ozzie's inept managing, and Walker's lifeless offense. It's all on the fans for not supporting this team.

doublem23
07-28-2011, 11:43 AM
The fans aren't turning out to see this lousy team and season ticket renewals will probably drop for '12 too.


Eh, we're probably going to be back over last year's pace by the end of the weekend.

This "the fans aren't coming out to see the Sox!" storyline is really, really overplayed.

GoSox2K3
07-28-2011, 02:22 PM
Eh, we're probably going to be back over last year's pace by the end of the weekend.

This "the fans aren't coming out to see the Sox!" storyline is really, really overplayed.

But KW himself said yesterday that he needs to slash payroll. So, this is something that is affecting the team's personnel moves.

doublem23
07-28-2011, 03:41 PM
But KW himself said yesterday that he needs to slash payroll. So, this is something that is affecting the team's personnel moves.

Well yeah because the 2011 Sox had the highest payroll in franchise history.

I'm just saying, if you look at game by game records, fans are coming out at roughly the same pace as last season. Obviously the Sox needed more support, but as KW has even said, they haven't played well enough yet to merit that kind of commitment from us.

SOXSINCE'70
07-28-2011, 05:23 PM
It looks more and more like Chris Sale will be the Sox' David Price clone in 2012.IIRC, the Rays did the same thing with Price,
once they called him up in '08. They used him out of the 'pen,stretched him out a little and got his feet wet in the bigs.
Then,they made him a starter in '09.

This sure looks like the path the Sox are going to take with Sale.

Falstaff
07-28-2011, 06:37 PM
Absolutely he starts next year, unless of course Kenny trades him to the Yankees for Colon and Garcia..!!
Sadly, I am afraid you can just about take that one to the bank.