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CPditka
07-27-2011, 02:01 PM
Pretty Simple, after the EJax/Mark Teahen trade...Whats next?



TCQ? Matt Thornton? Try to predict the trades. Would be curious to see what ideas everyone has on where to send everyone, and what we would get in return.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 02:16 PM
Thornton is next.

The Immigrant
07-27-2011, 02:29 PM
Thornton and that will be it. Viciedo will be called up.

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 02:45 PM
There's a guy over at Soxtalk who has called trades before who hinted Quentin and Thornton are being packaged together.

CPditka
07-27-2011, 02:50 PM
There's a guy over at Soxtalk who has called trades before who hinted Quentin and Thornton are being packaged together.


I would hope that would bring a pretty darn good haul back. Any speculatoin on what?

Hopefully they arent looking at it as a salary dump with Thornton playing the the role of Mark Teahen.

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 02:54 PM
Speak of the devil:

@Buster_ESPN
Buster Olney
Source: Phillies have done background work on Carlos Quentin, who could be middle-of-the-order bat they covet.

Tragg
07-27-2011, 03:37 PM
Probably Quentin and either Thornton or Ohman.

pythons007
07-27-2011, 03:45 PM
What does Philly have to offer up?

Noneck
07-27-2011, 03:48 PM
It all depends depends on if the Sox keep trying to show the illusion that they want to compete. If not, the higher the salary the harder the Sox will try to dump that individual.

Tekijawa
07-27-2011, 03:51 PM
What does Philly have to offer up?
Halladay... Lee...

Domeshot17
07-27-2011, 03:53 PM
I'll go Dark Horse and say AJ

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 03:58 PM
Halladay... Lee...

Domonic Brown.

gr8mexico
07-27-2011, 04:00 PM
If the Sox trade Quentin and maybe Floyd. They should see if the Astros would then consider trading Hunter Pence for the prospects the Sox get from all these trades.

russ99
07-27-2011, 04:17 PM
If the Sox trade Quentin and maybe Floyd. They should see if the Astros would then consider trading Hunter Pence for the prospects the Sox get from all these trades.

The Astros aren't trading Pence at the deadline.

They're asking for the moon (top 20 league-wide pitching prospect) and I doubt they budge, or anyone will pay that much. Besides, both McLane and the incoming owner want to keep him, they're just seeing what the market will bear.

I very much doubt the Sox would have the prospects to compete no matter what they bring in via trade.

Speaking of Astros players, the Sox should go after Bourn, but he's a FA in 2 years and his rep is Boras, so I doubt that happens.

DumpJerry
07-27-2011, 04:33 PM
Dunn and Rios to the Cubs for Starlin Castro.

Works for me.

Tragg
07-27-2011, 04:49 PM
Speaking of Astros players, the Sox should go after Bourn.

No we shouldn't.

pythons007
07-27-2011, 04:53 PM
Why shouldn't we go after bourn?

Zisk77
07-27-2011, 05:12 PM
I don't think we are selling.

Tragg
07-27-2011, 05:16 PM
Why shouldn't we go after bourn?

Do we really need more slap hitters with no power? Next year, a few less of his grounders will get through, his opb will drop to his .330-.340 norm. And that's okay, but it's just not that hard to find.
We need an outfielder who can drive the ball.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 05:21 PM
Philly and Atlanta are supposedly still very much in on Q. Also sounds like today's win had very little effect on the possibility of him being moved.

russ99
07-27-2011, 07:14 PM
Do we really need more slap hitters with no power? Next year, a few less of his grounders will get through, his opb will drop to his .330-.340 norm. And that's okay, but it's just not that hard to find.
We need an outfielder who can drive the ball.

We have enough power hitters who can't do anything else already on the roster. We will need a new leadoff hitter next year, and most of all we need a young athletic position player who can hit at a high level for average.

Btw: In case you haven't looked, Bourn is the best leadoff hitter in the NL.

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 07:15 PM
We have enough power hitters who can't do anything else already on the roster. We will need a new leadoff hitter next year, and most of all we need a young athletic position player who can hit at a high level for average.

Btw: In case you haven't looked, Bourn is the best leadoff hitter in the NL.

I count 2 good power hitters on the roster.

Tragg
07-27-2011, 07:37 PM
We have enough power hitters who can't do anything else already on the roster. We will need a new leadoff hitter next year, and most of all we need a young athletic position player who can hit at a high level for average.

Btw: In case you haven't looked, Bourn is the best leadoff hitter in the NL.
He's having a career year and even with that is not the best leadoff hitter in the NL. And it is not sustainable. He'll get his .330-.340 most years, and that's fine, but not worth paying a lot for.
There's a difference between driving the ball and being a basher. Pence is a driver. That is the sort of hitter we need.

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 07:45 PM
He's having a career year and even with that is not the best leadoff hitter in the NL. And it is not sustainable. He'll get his .330-.340 most years, and that's fine, but not worth paying a lot for.
There's a difference between driving the ball and being a basher. Pence is a driver. That is the sort of hitter we need.

I thought that was the type of hitter Gordon Beckham was going to be...

guillensdisciple
07-27-2011, 07:51 PM
I think part of our bullpen or pitching staff will go- we're too deep on that end and can get quality from it.

CQ will also be gone the core will remain outside of him.

AZChiSoxFan
07-27-2011, 08:00 PM
For those of you in the know, how old is TCQ and how much does he make? I didn't think he had a huge contract and I had figured that he would be one of the building blocks for the future. Why is that not the case?

Tragg
07-27-2011, 08:04 PM
I thought that was the type of hitter Gordon Beckham was going to be...

So did I.

PalehosePlanet
07-27-2011, 08:10 PM
For those of you in the know, how old is TCQ and how much does he make? I didn't think he had a huge contract and I had figured that he would be one of the building blocks for the future. Why is that not the case?

He'll be 29 in a month and is making 5 million this year. Under team control through next season (2012) and then he'll hit the free agent market. I'm guessing he would probably make 6.5/7 million next year as his last arb eligible year.

HarryChappas
07-27-2011, 09:39 PM
Trade CQ and Thornton for a third baseman who can help now and for a few years. Sell high on him before he disappears again (hurt or slump).

Soxfest
07-27-2011, 09:39 PM
CQ to Philly and Thornton to Yankees.

JohnTucker0814
07-27-2011, 10:05 PM
Philly could use both Quentin and Thornton...

Any chance we could package both of them for Brown and Cossart?

Philly offered Cossart and Singleton for Pence...

HarryChappas
07-27-2011, 10:07 PM
Philly could use both Quentin and Thornton...

Any chance we could package both of them for Brown and Cossart?

Philly offered Cossart and Singleton for Pence...

What are stats and positions of these guys?

Lip Man 1
07-27-2011, 10:49 PM
Brown is a right fielder I believe, left handed hitter. Phils expected big things from him, gave him Werth's job to start the season. Got hurt if I recall, missed some time.

Pretty nice swing. Don't know what he's doing this year but again is considered high potential.

Lip

gosox41
07-27-2011, 11:03 PM
Do we really need more slap hitters with no power? Next year, a few less of his grounders will get through, his opb will drop to his .330-.340 norm. And that's okay, but it's just not that hard to find.
We need an outfielder who can drive the ball.


What we need are hitters who don't take the season off and actually care enough to get better and not lollygag around.


Bob

HarryChappas
07-27-2011, 11:04 PM
Brown is a right fielder I believe, left handed hitter. Phils expected big things from him, gave him Werth's job to start the season. Got hurt if I recall, missed some time.

Pretty nice swing. Don't know what he's doing this year but again is considered high potential.

Lip

Sounds good, but I think and hope if they trade CQ that Dayan will be the guy in RF.

gosox41
07-27-2011, 11:06 PM
CQ to Philly and Thornton to Yankees.

The Yankees actually have a farm system.

If KW does decide to go young, I'm certain we can get 2-3 good prospects for Danks, including Montero.


Bob

shingo10
07-27-2011, 11:09 PM
The Yankees actually have a farm system.

If KW does decide to go young, I'm certain we can get 2-3 good prospects for Danks, including Montero.


Bob

Yes, But Danks himself is only 25. I have a real hard time believing that he would be traded no matter what. I figured he would be the one untouchable person in all of this. But who knows? Maybe you're right and they think the prospects we would get in return would be worth it.

VMSNS
07-28-2011, 12:23 AM
Quentin's stock is at it's highest right now. And with Viciedo doing well, it's possible that Kenny may consider Quentin expendable. KW needs to strike while the iron is hot so we can get some decent prospects in our farm system again.

The Sox can still win the Central, even without Quentin. Our starting pitching and bullpen is the best in the division. I don't think Cleveland is for real. Detroit's infield defense is terrible and outside of Verlander, their starting pitching is garbage. And, if Viciedo can put up decent numbers, you never know what can happen.

palehozenychicty
07-28-2011, 01:00 AM
Domonic Brown.

If they get Domonic Brown, I will jump for joy. Dude is really bringing it this year. He can do it all.

SoxNation05
07-28-2011, 03:40 AM
Were not getting Brown.

*** are you guys thinking?

The Immigrant
07-28-2011, 09:38 AM
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WhiffleBall
07-28-2011, 10:19 AM
Based on this years starting 3B (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=180&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0) if we do go after a 3B we could do a lot worse than ARam. He's not a great defender and the cubs would have to throw in some money but his offense has been very good for most of this season. Not sure what we would have to give up to get him.

illinibk
07-28-2011, 10:24 AM
Based on this years starting 3B (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=180&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0) if we do go after a 3B we could do a lot worse than ARam. He's not a great defender and the cubs would have to throw in some money but his offense has been very good for most of this season. Not sure what we would have to give up to get him.

Pass if he's around more than two seasons. He's on the wrong side of 30, and in a contract year. But a weak defender and a guy who is near the end of his prime is right in Kenny's wheelhouse.

CHISOXFAN13
07-28-2011, 10:39 AM
Pass if he's around more than two seasons. He's on the wrong side of 30, and in a contract year. But a weak defender and a guy who is near the end of his prime is right in Kenny's wheelhouse.

We have got nothing from 3B all year. I'd love to see Ramirez on the South Side for two months. For a guy near the end of his prime, he sure is mashing the ball.

DSpivack
07-28-2011, 12:55 PM
Were not getting Brown.

*** are you guys thinking?

I know that, that's why it was in deep pink.

DirtySox
07-28-2011, 12:58 PM
I know that, that's why it was in deep pink.

It might not be as far fetched as you think. He was being offered in the Pence package, but the Astros' wanted more. Brown could be in the trade, but the Sox likely wouldn't be getting much more than him.

KMcMahon817
07-28-2011, 01:13 PM
It might not be as far fetched as you think. He was being offered in the Pence package, but the Astros' wanted more. Brown could be in the trade, but the Sox likely wouldn't be getting much more than him.

I agree. People here clamoring for the SOX to trade Quentin AND Thornton for just Brown is silly. I would be happy to get Brown, but it would be pretty dissapointing to trade Q at this point (assuming we don't lose the first two games to BOS).

DirtySox
07-28-2011, 01:19 PM
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