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DirtySox
07-26-2011, 07:52 PM
(http://twitter.com/#%21/MikeSolarte)@MikeSolarte (http://twitter.com/#%21/MikeSolarte) Mike Solarte
Folks with @KnightsBaseball (http://twitter.com/KnightsBaseball) say DeAza being recalled to big club. Reason not known, but good for him. Was hitting .322 in CLT #WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox)
12 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/MikeSolarte/status/96001717786779648) via Echofon (http://www.echofon.com/) Favorite (http://twitter.com/#) Retweet (http://twitter.com/#) Reply (http://twitter.com/#)

Still not entirely confirmed, but feel free to speculate.

KMcMahon817
07-26-2011, 07:55 PM
Very interested to see what this is all about...

34rancher
07-26-2011, 07:56 PM
Called up or traded?

balke
07-26-2011, 07:56 PM
[URL="http://twitter.com/#%21/MikeSolarte"]

Still not entirely confirmed, but feel free to speculate.

Really wondering if they found a way to get rid of Rios.

Brian26
07-26-2011, 07:56 PM
Perhaps Kenny listened to my suggestion to cut Vizquel's ass. :tongue:

Noneck
07-26-2011, 07:56 PM
If true, a current outfielder is either hurt or traded.

hi im skot
07-26-2011, 07:57 PM
I love the trade deadline. My workload, on the other hand, does not.

DirtySox
07-26-2011, 07:57 PM
Perhaps Kenny listened to my suggestion to cut Vizquel's ass. :tongue:

They could be sending down Morel too. He is one of the few with options.

DirtySox
07-26-2011, 07:58 PM
Really wondering if they found a way to get rid of Rios.

You shouldn't be wondering that.

Brian26
07-26-2011, 07:58 PM
They could be sending down Morel too. He is one of the few with options.

Morel had a good night the other night though. No reason to make that switch with De Aza out of the blue.

The more I think about this, it points towards Rios either being put on the DL or let go.

DirtySox
07-26-2011, 08:00 PM
Morel had a good night the other night though. No reason to make that switch with De Aza out of the blue.

The more I think about this, it points towards Rios either being put on the DL or let go.

DL maybe. I'll eat 5 hats if they let him go.

Noneck
07-26-2011, 08:00 PM
They could be sending down Morel too. He is one of the few with options.


No reason to suddenly need another outfielder.

thomas35forever
07-26-2011, 08:03 PM
We'll probably hear more during the game broadcast.

delben91
07-26-2011, 08:06 PM
DL maybe. I'll eat 5 hats if they let him go.

If they did let Rios go, I will pay money to see this feat.

DirtySox
07-26-2011, 08:07 PM
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CSNChi_Beatnik (http://twitter.com/#%21/CSNChi_Beatnik) Brett Ballantini
#WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox) official just told me De Aza NOT being called up tonight.
1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/CSNChi_Beatnik/status/96008382254825472) Favorite (http://twitter.com/#) Retweet (http://twitter.com/#) Reply (http://twitter.com/#)


/shrug

hi im skot
07-26-2011, 08:08 PM
/shrug

Bummer.

DirtySox
07-26-2011, 08:10 PM
Bummer.

It might just mean he's being called up tomorrow.

hi im skot
07-26-2011, 08:11 PM
it might just mean he's being called up tomorrow.

but i've got to know why!!!!!!

Noneck
07-26-2011, 08:12 PM
/shrug

Where there is smoke there is fire. It may be just smoldering now.

hi im skot
07-26-2011, 08:13 PM
KnightsBaseball
In regards to De Aza, he was taken out of the game. It was not injury related. We have not received anything regarding his status.

Hmmmm...

DirtySox
07-26-2011, 08:16 PM
Hmmmm...

Something is definitely cooking for tonight/tomorrow.

Brian26
07-26-2011, 08:18 PM
The Solarte guy is claiming De Aza was taken out in the 1st inning and replaced in LF with Donny Lucy.

hi im skot
07-26-2011, 08:19 PM
The Solarte guy is claiming De Aza was taken out in the 1st inning and replaced in LF with Donny Lucy.

Hawk nods in approval.

Boondock Saint
07-26-2011, 08:20 PM
Hawk nods in approval.

:rolling:

A. Cavatica
07-26-2011, 09:06 PM
Perhaps we should play Castro more in left...

DirtySox
07-26-2011, 09:28 PM
I think it's most likely that De Aza is a throw-in to some coming trade. Possibly with Edwin.

Domeshot17
07-26-2011, 09:48 PM
Tomorrow is Wednesday

Huisj
07-26-2011, 10:01 PM
Here's a question. If DeAza can hit .320 at AAA and he's fast, would he be better than Juan Pierre if he was given consistent playing time? I've only seen him play a few times at the end of last season, so I don't know a whole lot about him. Is he a decent player who just needs another chance, or is he a AAAA guy?

shenk16
07-26-2011, 10:03 PM
"MDGonzales: Game over in Charlotte. Should know soon on the status of OF Alejandro De Aza."

And as I type a 2 run bomb by the Captain! How's it "hanging" Verlander?

KMcMahon817
07-26-2011, 10:18 PM
Here's a question. If DeAza can hit .320 at AAA and he's fast, would he be better than Juan Pierre if he was given consistent playing time? I've only seen him play a few times at the end of last season, so I don't know a whole lot about him. Is he a decent player who just needs another chance, or is he a AAAA guy?

Here's a question: did you know Juan Pierre is hitting just shy of .360 the past 30 games?

If De Aza does get promoted, I would sure hope he plays CF instead of Alex, not LF instead of Pierre.

DirtySox
07-26-2011, 10:26 PM
Here's a question: did you know Juan Pierre is hitting just shy of .360 the past 30 games?

If De Aza does get promoted, I would sure hope he plays CF instead of Alex, not LF instead of Pierre.


I loathe Juan Pierre but this is correct.

ChicagoG19
07-26-2011, 10:39 PM
Nothing on Twitter or MLB trade rumors about this yet. The suspense is killing me.

samurai_sox
07-26-2011, 10:45 PM
Nothing on Twitter or MLB trade rumors about this yet. The suspense is killing me.

Its probably nothing. I don't want to get excited by getting my hopes up.

SoxNation05
07-26-2011, 10:51 PM
How is De Aza as a fielder?

Dirty Sox? Does anyone know?

DirtySox
07-26-2011, 10:53 PM
How is De Aza as a fielder?

Dirty Sox? Does anyone know?

He plays a fine CF from what I can tell. Daver might have a more in depth assessment though.

CWSpalehoseCWS
07-26-2011, 10:58 PM
If it's not injury related, something almost has to be up. He sure as hell isn't getting demoted. My guess is it could be something as simple as Lillibridge is gone. Makes sense, as I doubt he has enough value to be part of a package to get anything worth while despite batting over .300 in Charlotte. Wish someone would tell us what's up.

TheOldRoman
07-26-2011, 11:03 PM
Tomorrow is WednesdayTo-day it is Tuesday. Tuesday.

KMcMahon817
07-26-2011, 11:58 PM
@k0na (http://twitter.com/#%21/k0na) Doug Seyller



#WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox) Jackson and Teahen going to Toronto for frasor and a minor leaguer...de aza coming up from minors.



No idea who Dog Seyller is, but I read this on another White Sox forum. Obviously has not been confirmed, but if true, I hope the minor league is pretty solid...having to trade Jackson just to dump Teahen would be a bummer.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 12:01 AM
No idea who Dog Seyller is, but I read this on another White Sox forum. Obviously has not been confirmed, but if true, I hope the minor league is pretty solid...having to trade Jackson just to dump Teahen would be a bummer.

I've seen it too, but it doesn't make much sense. Trading a type B starter for a type B reliever. It might just be a salary dump (Teahen), which is why I don't think they prospect would be anything noteworthy. I also don't understand why Toronto would make such a trade unless they are going to flip EJ for something better. I wouldn't put that past Anthopoulos though, he's made some shrewd moves lately.

JB98
07-27-2011, 12:01 AM
No idea who Dog Seyller is, but I read this on another White Sox forum. Obviously has not been confirmed, but if true, I hope the minor league is pretty solid...having to trade Jackson just to dump Teahen would be a bummer.

Why in creation would a non-contender like Toronto want to rent Jackson for two months? :scratch:

NDSox12
07-27-2011, 12:03 AM
Why in creation would a non-contender like Toronto want to rent Jackson for two months? :scratch:

AND get stuck with Teahen's contract. There is no way this is true. Somebody probably just made it up to see how many people would pass it on. Mission accomplished.

KMcMahon817
07-27-2011, 12:03 AM
Why in creation would a non-contender like Toronto want to rent Jackson for two months? :scratch:

Very good question. As Dirty said, it doesn't make a ton of sense.

Just thought I'd share what I read. Half of the fun of the Deadline is the speculation. Mods feel free to move to WTS if you want.

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 12:04 AM
No idea who Dog Seyller is, but I read this on another White Sox forum. Obviously has not been confirmed, but if true, I hope the minor league is pretty solid...having to trade Jackson just to dump Teahen would be a bummer.

Yeah, I'm not believing some guy on Twitter, I'll wait for a reputable source (who will probably break the news...on Twitter :tongue:).

Just googled around and it seems there is no news yet.

PalehosePlanet
07-27-2011, 12:32 AM
The Toronto deal makes absolutely no sense.

I'm sure a contender that needs pitching (The Yankees, to name one) would offer a hell of a lot more in return.

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 12:33 AM
The Toronto deal makes absolutely no sense.

I'm sure a contender that needs pitching (The Yankees, to name one) would offer a hell of a lot more in return.

It was posted by some guy on Twitter and not any baseball writer or official. I wouldn't worry about it.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 12:41 AM
It was posted by some guy on Twitter and not any baseball writer or official. I wouldn't worry about it.

I agree, but supposedly this guy has been correct on White Sox deals in the past. I really hope it isn't true, but if it is, Kenny is effectively using most of Edwin's value to rectify his own moronic Teahen mistake.

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 12:43 AM
I agree, but supposedly this guy has been correct on White Sox deals in the past. I really hope it isn't true, but if it is, Kenny is effectively using most of Edwin's value to rectify his own moronic Teahen mistake.

Where did you read, or hear, that?

KMcMahon817
07-27-2011, 12:45 AM
Where did you read, or hear, that?

I read it too. Other White Sox forums that do a little more trade chatter. It likely isn't true just because the players mentioned don't make much sense for either team.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 12:45 AM
Where did you read, or hear, that?

Just judging by the reaction of some posters here (http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-whitesox&tid=115142). I'm crossing my fingers this is incorrect though.

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 12:52 AM
Just judging by the reaction of some posters here (http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-whitesox&tid=115142). I'm crossing my fingers this is incorrect though.

OK.

Just will wait and see, I guess.

PalehosePlanet
07-27-2011, 12:54 AM
I read it too. Other White Sox forums that do a little more trade chatter. It likely isn't true just because the players mentioned don't make much sense for either team.

The only way this makes sense is if there is a third team involved.

KMcMahon817
07-27-2011, 01:00 AM
The only way this makes sense is if there is a third team involved.

Agreed...it would need to be a team that actually needs Edwin for the playoff push. Toronto doesn't fit that bill.

I think Edwin is going to get dealt, but hopefully it isn't in a deal involving Teahen. That is just going to dilute the return.

michned
07-27-2011, 01:30 AM
Just judging by the reaction of some posters here (http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-whitesox&tid=115142). I'm crossing my fingers this is incorrect though.

@k0na = Otis?

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 01:35 AM
@k0na = Otis?

Who is Otis?

SoxNation05
07-27-2011, 01:44 AM
Who is Otis?

He was former poster here. He broke the Maggs-Nomar rumor before the major news outlets. He supposedly worked for the Red Sox. He later became a joke because he would post big blockbusters and rumors never surfaced.

Tragg
07-27-2011, 02:24 AM
Just judging by the reaction of some posters here (http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-whitesox&tid=115142). I'm crossing my fingers this is incorrect though.
Unless the prospect is Grade A, that would be in incredibly bad trade - far in excess of Swisher II in badness.

central44
07-27-2011, 02:50 AM
On it's own, terrible trade. Sox have issues and the bullpen isn't one of them. Their 6-man rotation has worked well, especially considering Peavy's not being at full strength. Giving up a pitcher for another reliever is idiotic.

But i'm guessing this trade isn't on its own. If this is true, there must be a separate deal to trade Thornton or someone else from the pen.

Nelson Foxtrot
07-27-2011, 04:26 AM
While Jackson should be worth more, this may be the best deal available if Teahen needs to be included in a cost-cutting move. The Jays owner has talked about huge payroll increases, so they can afford the salary. Jackson and Teahen make a combined $13 million this season, versus $3.5 million for Frasor. Even at this point in the year, that may save 3-4 million, along with the $5.5m Teahen is owed next season.

Frasor has a $3.75m team option next year. Crain will cost $4.5m each of the next two seasons, and Thornton $5.5m each year (along with $6m or a $1m buyout in 2014). The Sox could trade any of the three for other needs and salary relief, or let Frasor walk after the year and net a Type B pick.

As a salary dump, this isn't bad. However, with Peavy not at 100% and consistently running into trouble by the 6th inning, I don't think this is a good "win now" trade unless KW is serious about remaking much of the team, turns into Frank Lane, and lands another starter in one of the deals.

A. Cavatica
07-27-2011, 08:17 AM
Three of the Jays' top 10 prospects are catchers. Gotta hope the minor leaguer is A.J.'s eventual replacement.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
07-27-2011, 08:47 AM
Three of the Jays' top 10 prospects are catchers. Gotta hope the minor leaguer is A.J.'s eventual replacement.

Does that include J.P. Arencibia, or are those three different catchers altogether?

I know the Sox wouldn't be able to get him, I was just curious.

Over By There
07-27-2011, 08:58 AM
@k0na = Otis?

I was thinking Rockabilly.

TheOldRoman
07-27-2011, 09:46 AM
I agree, but supposedly this guy has been correct on White Sox deals in the past. I really hope it isn't true, but if it is, Kenny is effectively using most of Edwin's value to rectify his own moronic Teahen mistake.Once again, people are overstating the size and therefore blunder of Teahen's contract. There is NO WAY Kenny is giving up the best starter on the market for nothing just so he can move the roughly $7 mil Teahen will make through the end of next season. If the Sox are in that much of a dire straights, then we are in for much worse moves than this. Buehrle, Konerko, Danks, Floyd, Thornton and Crain will all be moved if the Sox are that desparate to get $7 mil back.

Tragg
07-27-2011, 09:56 AM
Once again, people are overstating the size and therefore blunder of Teahen's contract. There is NO WAY Kenny is giving up the best starter on the market for nothing just so he can move the roughly $7 mil Teahen will make through the end of next season.
Considering the moves of various sorts he's made over the last 3 years, I wouldn't say their's NO way, but I agree that the Teahen contract isn't much of an albatross to a team with a 125Mill annual payroll.
BUT, if JR is ordering payroll cuts, Teahen is front and center because all KW can do is shave - the real payroll problems are either immovable or would put the fan base in revolt if addressed.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 10:24 AM
Once again, people are overstating the size and therefore blunder of Teahen's contract. There is NO WAY Kenny is giving up the best starter on the market for nothing just so he can move the roughly $7 mil Teahen will make through the end of next season. If the Sox are in that much of a dire straights, then we are in for much worse moves than this. Buehrle, Konerko, Danks, Floyd, Thornton and Crain will all be moved if the Sox are that desparate to get $7 mil back.

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/533041789/Kenny_normal.jpg
Ken_Rosenthal (http://twitter.com/#%21/Ken_Rosenthal) Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox) in serious talks on EJax, Teahen to #BlueJays (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23BlueJays) for Frasor and prospect. Danks, Floyd also on market. #tradedeadline (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23tradedeadline) #MLB (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23MLB)
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Goose
07-27-2011, 10:26 AM
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Ken_Rosenthal (http://twitter.com/#%21/Ken_Rosenthal) Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox) in serious talks on EJax, Teahen to #BlueJays (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23BlueJays) for Frasor and prospect. Danks, Floyd also on market. #tradedeadline (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23tradedeadline) #MLB (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23MLB)
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This smells like the nuclear option salary dump that KW was alluding to earlier this week. If true, it looks like he is not waiting to see how the Tigers series pans out.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 10:26 AM
This smells like the nuclear option salary dump that KW was alluding to earlier this week. If true, it looks like he is not waiting to see how the Tigers series pans out.

Bingo.

KMcMahon817
07-27-2011, 10:28 AM
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Ken_Rosenthal (http://twitter.com/#%21/Ken_Rosenthal) Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox) in serious talks on EJax, Teahen to #BlueJays (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23BlueJays) for Frasor and prospect. Danks, Floyd also on market. #tradedeadline (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23tradedeadline) #MLB (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23MLB)
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Hah! Now that's pretty damn funny...There's your reputable baseball source.


But, please don't trade off all the pieces KW. Wait to see how today goes.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 10:29 AM
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Ken_Rosenthal (http://twitter.com/#%21/Ken_Rosenthal) Ken Rosenthal
Sources tell @jonmorosi (http://twitter.com/jonmorosi) that #WhiteSox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WhiteSox)-#BlueJays deal is close. Jackson, Teahen to TOR. Frasor-plus to CWS. Money could be in deal. #MLB (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23MLB)
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DirtySox
07-27-2011, 10:30 AM
People are guessing David Cooper is the prospect coming to Chicago. Was pulled last night in AAA. Despite his numbers this year, he isn't really considered much of a prospect. PCL numbers are often very inflated.

soltrain21
07-27-2011, 10:31 AM
Well, I hope we are getting a really nice catching prospect or something.

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 10:32 AM
People are guessing David Cooper is the prospect coming to Chicago. Was pulled last night in AAA. Despite his numbers this year, he isn't really considered much of a prospect. PCL numbers are often very inflated.

Well, I hope we are getting a really nice catching prospect or something.

I just... don't get it. I thought Jackson had some real trade value that could have netted us a good prospect in return.

A 32-year old reliever with one more year on his contract and a AAAA 1B?

dickallen15
07-27-2011, 10:33 AM
Once again, people are overstating the size and therefore blunder of Teahen's contract. There is NO WAY Kenny is giving up the best starter on the market for nothing just so he can move the roughly $7 mil Teahen will make through the end of next season. If the Sox are in that much of a dire straights, then we are in for much worse moves than this. Buehrle, Konerko, Danks, Floyd, Thornton and Crain will all be moved if the Sox are that desparate to get $7 mil back.
Way. BTW, Frasor is not nothing. He's actually pretty good.

stacksedwards
07-27-2011, 10:34 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/Ken_Rosenthal

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 10:34 AM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=129406

Noneck
07-27-2011, 10:34 AM
This toronto deal appears to be just Teahen and Jackson for cash relief, nothing more.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 10:35 AM
I just... don't get it. I thought Jackson had some real trade value that could have netted us a good prospect in return.

A 32-year old reliever with one more year on his contract and a AAAA 1B?

You actually do get it. It's a salary dump. Edwin's value is being used to ship off Teahen as well. The remaining value is netting a decent reliever for half a year or more depending if his option is picked up. He's also a type B free agent.

The only thing not to get is why Toronto wants EJ. I'd wager he's going to be flipped again for something better.

KMcMahon817
07-27-2011, 10:35 AM
People are guessing David Cooper is the prospect coming to Chicago. Was pulled last night in AAA. Despite his numbers this year, he isn't really considered much of a prospect. PCL numbers are often very inflated.

What the heck would the SOX want with a 1B?

soltrain21
07-27-2011, 10:37 AM
What the heck would the SOX want with a 1B?

Maybe Konerko has agreed to be moved to the right team?

CHISOXFAN13
07-27-2011, 10:38 AM
What the heck would the SOX want with a 1B?

It's a throw in. Nothing.

So one decent year of Jackson cost us Hudson and all we get back is salary relief and a decent reliever in Frasor.

Yuk.

KMcMahon817
07-27-2011, 10:39 AM
Maybe Konerko has agreed to be moved to the right team?

I sure hope not...I know the SOX have been maddening as can be this season..but win today and we're only 3.5 out. I could accept some moves after a L today...but I'd hate to see a pieces such as Konerko, Danks or Q moved otherwise.

dickallen15
07-27-2011, 10:40 AM
It's a throw in. Nothing.

So one decent year of Jackson cost us Hudson and all we get back is salary relief and a decent reliever in Frasor.

Yuk.

Plus you don't have to look at Mark Teahen anymore.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 10:40 AM
What the heck would the SOX want with a 1B?

I'd imagine he's pretty much a throw-in. Absorbing Teahen and giving up a good reliever pretty much leaves little need to include a good prospect.

KMcMahon817
07-27-2011, 10:40 AM
It's a throw in. Nothing.

So one decent year of Jackson cost us Hudson and all we get back is salary relief and a decent reliever in Frasor.

Yuk.

He's a bit more than a throw in. He was TOR 1st rd pick in 2008 and has some decent minor league numbers. But, he is far from a great prospect.

TheOldRoman
07-27-2011, 10:42 AM
Way. BTW, Frasor is not nothing. He's actually pretty good.Right, but if we are selling off everything that's not bolted down he has no value to us.

hawkjt
07-27-2011, 10:44 AM
This will be a bitter pill for Kenny to swallow if he has to give up Edwin just to fix his bad deal for Teahen. So you end up moving Betimet and Getz,who kill the Sox, for Teahen,and Hudson,who is doing great,just to pair Teahen and Edwin to get a half a year of Jason Frasor and a throwin?

Kenny is on a losing streak since the Danks,Floyd and Quentin trades.
Swisher,Rios,Dunn,Teahen,Peavy are all pretty bad moves.

Hard to ignore.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 10:45 AM
Right, but if we are selling off everything that's not bolted down he has no value to us.

He could net a supplemental pick at the end of the season potentially. Though he does have a $3.75 team option for 2012.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 10:46 AM
This will be a bitter pill for Kenny to swallow if he has to give up Edwin just to fix his bad deal for Teahen. So you end up moving Betimet and Getz,who kill the Sox, for Teahen,and Hudson,who is doing great,just to pair Teahen and Edwin to get a half a year of Jason Frasor and a throwin?

My stomach hurts.

KMcMahon817
07-27-2011, 10:47 AM
My stomach hurts.

Me too. I really hope there is more to this...It still just doesn't make much sense at all.

Why in the world would you want to send EJAX to TOR? It is a sellers-market for SP. Swallow Teahen's contract, and actually get something of value for Edwin.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 10:50 AM
To be clear, Cooper is just speculation at this point. Could be someone else, but I don't expect much value. Shame though, as the Jays have one of the best farm systems in baseball.

AzureJazzMan
07-27-2011, 10:51 AM
Is it possible that Frasor a "replacement" for Thornton who will be shipped to the Yanks or Cards in a secondary deal?

Noneck
07-27-2011, 10:53 AM
Is it possible that Frasor a "replacement" for Thornton who will be shipped to the Yanks or Cards in a secondary deal?

Or Crain.

KMcMahon817
07-27-2011, 10:55 AM
Is it possible that Frasor a "replacement" for Thornton who will be shipped to the Yanks or Cards in a secondary deal?

Sure, it's possible. It has seemed like a 3rd team needed to be involved from when I first heard this rumor last night. Hopefully it still is..

Jon Heyman tweeted about an hour ago that AZ was in serious talks with the Jays about Frasor. Maybe they are the 3rd team. Who knows.

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#dbacks talking to blue jays about jason frasor. Could happen.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 10:56 AM
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Noneck
07-27-2011, 10:57 AM
Jon Heyman tweeted about an hour ago that AZ was in serious talks with the Jays about Frasor. Maybe they are the 3rd team. Who knows.


Makes sense, then Frasor to AZ for cash.

kittle42
07-27-2011, 10:57 AM
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As a famous announcer once said, "Uh, oh!"

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 10:58 AM
As a famous announcer once said, "Uh, oh!"

FWIW, DickAllen15 has noted a few times that the chairman is absolutely not a Rios fan. I wonder if he hits the bench for a significant period of time.

AzureJazzMan
07-27-2011, 11:00 AM
Or maybe flip Frasor to AZ for Hudson :redneck

SephClone89
07-27-2011, 11:03 AM
So you end up moving Betimet and Getz,who kill the Sox, for Teahen

Uh, false.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:03 AM
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Joelsherman1 (http://twitter.com/#%21/Joelsherman1) Joel Sherman
Hear #Whitesox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Whitesox) Edwin Jackson to #Bluejays (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Bluejays) close, but not complete yet because $$ not yet approved and Tor trying to spin him to another team
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soltrain21
07-27-2011, 11:04 AM
That means the trade has to happen before the game right? De Aza hasn't been called up officially, right? Unless I missed it.

yazz32
07-27-2011, 11:08 AM
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Pierre lf, Vizquel 3b, PK dh, Dunn 1b, Quentin rf, AJ c, Ramirez ss, De Aza cf, Beckham 2b, Danks p

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 11:08 AM
@JoeStrauss
Joe Strauss
Cards also have had talks w/Tor. E. Jackson trade from Chicago doesn't preclude him from being flipped.

If they flip him to Cards for Rasmus, I will be furious.

kittle42
07-27-2011, 11:08 AM
Yay, I was right. Can't wait to see who Toronto gets for EJ.

Whatever they get, this might end up rivaling Swisher as Kenny's worst trade.

By the way, is Edwin Jackson planning on playing for every team in the MLB before the age of 30?

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:09 AM
@JoeStrauss
Joe Strauss
Cards also have had talks w/Tor. E. Jackson trade from Chicago doesn't preclude him from being flipped.

If they flip him to Cards for Rasmus, I will be furious.

Oh lord. I would have no words.

KMcMahon817
07-27-2011, 11:09 AM
That means the trade has to happen before the game right? De Aza hasn't been called up officially, right? Unless I missed it.

Correct.

kittle42
07-27-2011, 11:09 AM
If they flip him to Cards for Rasmus, I will be furious.

Why? Would you prefer to get nothing of value?

The Immigrant
07-27-2011, 11:09 AM
That means the trade has to happen before the game right? De Aza hasn't been called up officially, right? Unless I missed it.

It's not official but I've heard he's in town. The beat writers should be on it soon.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:10 AM
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Word is, #bluejays (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23bluejays) may spin e-jax to #stlcards (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23stlcards) if get him from #chisox (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23chisox)
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KMcMahon817
07-27-2011, 11:11 AM
@JoeStrauss
Joe Strauss
Cards also have had talks w/Tor. E. Jackson trade from Chicago doesn't preclude him from being flipped.

If they flip him to Cards for Rasmus, I will be furious.

I would too..but there's no way EJAX is the centerpiece. There would at least need to be one quality prospect and Cards were supposedly "asking for the moon" on Rasmus.

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 11:11 AM
@DKnobler
DKnobler
And yes, third team would likely be Cardinals (Rasmus)

Commence the fury.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:11 AM
**** you Kenny.

blandman
07-27-2011, 11:12 AM
Oh lord. I would have no words.

They'll have to throw in prospects that we don't have. No reason to flip, Kenny wanted Rasmus. If he could get him, he would have.

delben91
07-27-2011, 11:12 AM
@DKnobler
DKnobler
And yes, third team would likely be Cardinals (Rasmus)

Commence the fury.

Unless it's a 3 team trade with the Sox getting Rasmus? Or should that be in deep pink?

dickallen15
07-27-2011, 11:12 AM
@DKnobler
DKnobler
And yes, third team would likely be Cardinals (Rasmus)

Commence the fury.
Tony LaRussa and JR are tight. If you read LaRussa's comments yesterday, maybe he told JR to stay away from Rasmus. The guy doesn't listen to coaches. As great as he may be some day, there's a better chance he winds up a dissappointment.

Goose
07-27-2011, 11:13 AM
Yay, I was right. Can't wait to see who Toronto gets for EJ.

So, then this means one of two things:

1) The other team has another prospect or player to throw in to make the EJ deal happen, or that

2) KW is phoning it in and could not find the team to make the deal himself.

The Immigrant
07-27-2011, 11:13 AM
**** you Kenny.

Oh boy.

You know as well as anyone that the Sox don't have the prospects to get Rasmus. Jackson/Thornton for Rasmus never would have happened.

blandman
07-27-2011, 11:14 AM
Tony LaRussa and JR are tight. If you read LaRussa's comments yesterday, maybe he told JR to stay away from Rasmus. The guy doesn't listen to coaches. As great as he may be some day, there's a better chance he winds up a dissappointment.

Not listening to coaches is exactly what this fan base wants to see from their players. At least that's the impression I get here.

AzureJazzMan
07-27-2011, 11:15 AM
Tony LaRussa and JR are tight. If you read LaRussa's comments yesterday, maybe he told JR to stay away from Rasmus. The guy doesn't listen to coaches. As great as he may be some day, there's a better chance he winds up a dissappointment.

This is exactly what I was thinking when I read that

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 11:15 AM
Not listening to coaches is exactly what this fan base wants to see from their players. At least that's the impression I get here.

Well played.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:16 AM
Oh boy.

You know as well as anyone that the Sox don't have the prospects to get Rasmus. Jackson/Thornton for Rasmus never would have happened.

I'm well aware. I'm still most irritated that Kenny is using Edwin's value as a vehicle to rectify his Teahen ****-up.

Goose
07-27-2011, 11:18 AM
I'm well aware. I'm still most irritated that Kenny is using Edwin's value as a vehicle to rectify his Teahen ****-up.

Maybe we are shipping Rios back to TOR in the trade, with all his salary.

dickallen15
07-27-2011, 11:18 AM
This is exactly what I was thinking when I read that

I also doubt heavily that Jackson by himself brings back Rasmus. Its going to be a good prospect. The Sox gain a reliever, a very decent one, lose a starter they would have lost in 2 months, but still have 5 starters, and lose the commitment to Mark Teahen. As much as its just trying to fix previous mistakes, I find this a good deal.

Dibbs
07-27-2011, 11:18 AM
That Hudson for Jackson trade stings that much more. I used to like Kenny, but he needs to go as soon as possible, along with Oz and Walker.

blandman
07-27-2011, 11:19 AM
I'm well aware. I'm still most irritated that Kenny is using Edwin's value as a vehicle to rectify his Teahen ****-up.

This fanbase is ridiculous.

EJ for Hudson was horrible, EJ is a worthless piece of garbage.

Mark Teahen is terrible. Nobodies picking up that contract.

Kenny Williams is foolish. He had to give up the valuable EJ to dump Teahen's contract.



Sit back and wait a minute. We don't even know what prospects we're getting yet.

Domeshot17
07-27-2011, 11:21 AM
So to get this straight, we essentially dealt Dan Hudson (who has been insanely good for Arizona) - Getz - Fields for Jason Frasor and lost a ton of money a long the way......

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 11:21 AM
@CSNChi_Beatnik
Brett Ballantini
#WhiteSox are not trading John Danks, assuredly. NOT TRADING JOHN DANKS

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:22 AM
This fanbase is ridiculous.

EJ for Hudson was horrible, EJ is a worthless piece of garbage.

Mark Teahen is terrible. Nobodies picking up that contract.

Kenny Williams is foolish. He had to give up the valuable EJ to dump Teahen's contract.



Sit back and wait a minute. We don't even know what prospects we're getting yet.

This isn't complicated. Just consider the surplus value of EJ along with the salary taken via Teahen. The prospect isn't going to be worth much of anything.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:23 AM
So to get this straight, we essentially dealt Dan Hudson (who has been insanely good for Arizona) - Getz - Fields for Jason Frasor and lost a ton of money a long the way......

Clearly a win for Kenny. How can the ridiculous fanbase not see it?

eriqjaffe
07-27-2011, 11:24 AM
but still have 5 startersWell, 4 and Jake Peavy.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:24 AM
@CSNChi_Beatnik
Brett Ballantini
#WhiteSox are not trading John Danks, assuredly. NOT TRADING JOHN DANKS

That's a shame. He would certainly bring back interesting pieces.

Noneck
07-27-2011, 11:27 AM
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It will be very interesting to see who the jays get for Jackson.

siugrad25
07-27-2011, 11:28 AM
Well, if the Sox do get Jason Frasor they are getting a Chicago kid and a Southern Illinois University alum. I covered him while he was down in Carbondale back in the late 90s. We hung out a few times. Nice guy from what I remember.

Hitmen77
07-27-2011, 11:29 AM
So to get this straight, we essentially dealt Dan Hudson (who has been insanely good for Arizona) - Getz - Fields for Jason Frasor and lost a ton of money a long the way......

Is that better than Gio and Ryan Sweeney for Jeff Marquez and Jhonny Nunez?

Evman5
07-27-2011, 11:31 AM
I know word is we brought up De Aza. But doesn't this trade likely clear a roster spot for Viciedo?

Haven't people been clamoring for him the entire season? I would think more of you would be happy about that. :scratch:

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:33 AM
I know word is we brought up De Aza. But doesn't this trade likely clear a roster spot for Viciedo?

Haven't people been clamoring for him the entire season? I would think more of you would be happy about that. :scratch:

Dayan is injured currently.

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 11:33 AM
I know word is we brought up De Aza. But doesn't this trade likely clear a roster spot for Viciedo?

Haven't people been clamoring for him the entire season? I would think more of you would be happy about that. :scratch:

Now that Viciedo is an OF, no it doesn't.

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 11:35 AM
@BNightengale
Bob Nightengale
#MLB White Sox waiting for Jacksons arrival. He is now being told deal is official

Tragg
07-27-2011, 11:35 AM
Jason Frasor- yet another example of Kenny Williams' enduring love for aging veterans in sharp decline.

delben91
07-27-2011, 11:36 AM
That's a shame. He would certainly bring back interesting pieces.

Based on the proposed trade with Toronto, I worry Kenny would take 2 Rookie-level prospects in their 30s for Danks.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:37 AM
Jason Frasor- yet another example of Kenny Williams' enduring love for aging veterans in sharp decline.

He's actually pitching very well this year. Not as good as his ERA indicates, but solid enough.

Over By There
07-27-2011, 11:38 AM
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KW and Hahn hovering around clubhouse entrance, waiting for player(s) to arrive

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:38 AM
I'm hoping that Kenny might be flipping Frasor for something. Other teams were in on him too.

Brian26
07-27-2011, 11:38 AM
If Toronto sends Jackson to StL for Rasmus, this would be mind boggling.

kevingrt
07-27-2011, 11:39 AM
Here is this: http://twitter.com/#!/BNightengale/statuses/96242157131792384

dickallen15
07-27-2011, 11:39 AM
If Toronto sends Jackson to StL for Rasmus, this would be mind boggling.
If they do they will include prospects which the Sox don't have. Supposedly STL wanted Jackson and Sale.

Tragg
07-27-2011, 11:39 AM
He's actually pitching very well this year. Not as good as his ERA indicates, but solid enough.

1.25 WHIP this year, 1.38 last year. Nothing compelling at all about that. JR wants salary cut - because of Williams' moves, he can't correct the real problems, so's he's apparently going to give players away to keep his job. Teahen was only a minor payroll annoyance (caused, of course, by Williams). It will be funny if Toronto turns this into Rasmus.

TheOldRoman
07-27-2011, 11:41 AM
Jason Frasor- yet another example of Kenny Williams' enduring love for aging veterans in sharp decline.At the very worst, Frasor will be a type B free agent, as will Jackson. They will be in the same place after the season as they would had they kept Jackson. However, I have to believe they could have gotten more for Jackson had they shipped him off without Teahen's contract.

Evman5
07-27-2011, 11:41 AM
Dayan is injured currently.

The injury isn't long term. I didn't say he would be called up today.

Now that Viciedo is an OF, no it doesn't.

I still would call him up. Let Morel start at 3B full time and Vizquel can back him up. Sure his arm is weak, but he would only play sparingly.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:42 AM
However, I have to believe they could have gotten more for Jackson had they shipped him off without Teahen's contract.

Absolutely.

kevingrt
07-27-2011, 11:42 AM
If they do they will include prospects which the Sox don't have. Supposedly STL wanted Jackson and Sale.

And Sale? Where did you hear this from?

guillensdisciple
07-27-2011, 11:42 AM
Two things, De Aza called up could spell the end of Rios which is a win within iself.

Also, why in the hell would we not give up Jackson for Rasmus unless this was a straight salary dump. If that is the case then understandable, but still come on Colby Rasmum costs nothing too.

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 11:43 AM
@Ken_Rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal
Source: Money appears only holdup in 3-team deal that would send EJax to #Cardinals, Rasmus to #BlueJays. MORE #WhiteSox #tradedeadline #MLB

RAGE

ChiSoxGal85
07-27-2011, 11:44 AM
Several beat writers are reporting that Jackson is saying goodbyes in clubhouse.

delben91
07-27-2011, 11:45 AM
@Ken_Rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal
Source: Money appears only holdup in 3-team deal that would send EJax to #Cardinals, Rasmus to #BlueJays. MORE #WhiteSox #tradedeadline #MLB

RAGE

Wait, so the Sox aren't even getting Frasor now?

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:45 AM
@Ken_Rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal
Source: Money appears only holdup in 3-team deal that would send EJax to #Cardinals, Rasmus to #BlueJays. MORE #WhiteSox #tradedeadline #MLB

RAGE

Maybe one of these days Kenny will realize the need for a solid farm system. More prospects = more trade ammo.

Brian26
07-27-2011, 11:45 AM
Golden opportunity here to start go young and get Rasmus cheap, and KW's picking up a veteran relief pitcher.

Rocky Soprano
07-27-2011, 11:45 AM
@Ken_Rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal
Source: Money appears only holdup in 3-team deal that would send EJax to #Cardinals, Rasmus to #BlueJays. MORE #WhiteSox #tradedeadline #MLB

RAGE

:whiner:

Wow. We even suck at trades.

kittle42
07-27-2011, 11:47 AM
@Ken_Rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal
Source: Money appears only holdup in 3-team deal that would send EJax to #Cardinals, Rasmus to #BlueJays. MORE #WhiteSox #tradedeadline #MLB

RAGE

Oh, Kenny Williams, you under the radar swindler!

soltrain21
07-27-2011, 11:47 AM
Golden opportunity here to start go young and get Rasmus cheap, and KW's picking up a veteran relief pitcher.

It's un****ingbelievable.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:48 AM
Golden opportunity here to start go young and get Rasmus cheap, and KW's picking up a veteran relief pitcher.

Kenny doesn't have the prospects to get Rasmus (what else is new?). Toronto has an abundance of them. They won't even make dent in that farm system.

Goose
07-27-2011, 11:48 AM
De Aza called up could spell the end of Rios which is a win within iself.

Nothing spells the end of Rios other than a 3 year DL stint.

Rios will be hitting into ground outs for years to come in a White Sox uniform!

guillensdisciple
07-27-2011, 11:48 AM
Wow...................


This might be the dumbest move I have ever seen in my life. I am a little suspicious as to the shelf life of Thornton here considering Frasor could be his replacement. Might we be shipping him out as well in some kind of deal later on?



Still, this trade is unbelievably bad. I don't understand why Rasmus is going to Toronto and why we are getting a reliever. Is De Aza supposed to be that good or something?

kittle42
07-27-2011, 11:49 AM
Kenny doesn't have the prospects to get Rasmus (what else is new?). Toronto has an abundance of them. They won't even make dent in that farm system.

What's a farm system? What are prospects? No team that is All-In should have such things!

CHISOXFAN13
07-27-2011, 11:49 AM
Golden opportunity here to start go young and get Rasmus cheap, and KW's picking up a veteran relief pitcher.

What makes you think Jackson is going straight up for Rasmus?

It's obvious the Blue Jays have more in the system than the Sox do.

If it's Jackson straight up then Ill spew venom.

Tragg
07-27-2011, 11:49 AM
At the very worst, Frasor will be a type B free agent, as will Jackson. They will be in the same place after the season as they would had they kept Jackson. However, I have to believe they could have gotten more for Jackson had they shipped him off without Teahen's contract.

My guess is we'll keep him. Either way, Williams traded two top-end pitching prospects for a 34 year old middle reliever, 1 year of Jackson, and 1.5 years of Teahen's bad contract (which really wasn't that much of a hindrance, comparatively, anyway, as you said earlier). I wish I could see what you see in Williams' moves....

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:49 AM
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If this three-way trade happens and Blue Jays end up with Colby Rasmus, it affirms the obvious: Alex Anthopoulos is excellent at his job.
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Anthopoulos is a wizard.

hi im skot
07-27-2011, 11:50 AM
This is ****ing brutal.

soxyess
07-27-2011, 11:51 AM
Anthopoulos is a wizard.

And KW is a.....

Brian26
07-27-2011, 11:52 AM
Kudos to the Cardinals then, who are apparently trying to win this year before Pujols possibly leaves and holding up other teams for prospects at the same time. That's some good GM'ing. It's amazing you can do both of those at the same time for a 4th outfielder.

shingo10
07-27-2011, 11:52 AM
There is absolutely no way you can judge a trade right when it happens.

There is no point in getting all worked up right now. Deep breaths everyone. There is a long way to go in this week. There will be a lot more trades to come.

Hitmen77
07-27-2011, 11:52 AM
Several beat writers are reporting that Jackson is saying goodbyes in clubhouse.

I can't wait to see this in part 5 of MLB Network's "The Club" White Sox reality show!

VMSNS
07-27-2011, 11:52 AM
...the hell?

Outside of clearing some money off the books, what does this trade do for the Sox? Nothing?

soltrain21
07-27-2011, 11:53 AM
There is absolutely no way you can judge a trade right when it happens.

There is no point in getting all worked up right now. Deep breaths everyone. There is a long way to go in this week. There will be a lot more trades to come.

This sounds like last year when we traded FOR Jackson.

Tragg
07-27-2011, 11:53 AM
Wow...................


This might be the dumbest move I have ever seen in my life. I am a little suspicious as to the shelf life of Thornton here considering Frasor could be his replacement. Might we be shipping him out as well in some kind of deal later on?



Still, this trade is unbelievably bad. I don't understand why Rasmus is going to Toronto and why we are getting a reliever. Is De Aza supposed to be that good or something?
If we need a right handed reliever, just trade Thornton for one. We have 3 lefties right now.
De Aza - Ozzie now has 2 (of the desired 25) Juan Pierres.

Goose
07-27-2011, 11:53 AM
There is absolutely no way you can judge a trade right when it happens.

No, I think you can pretty much tell this deal sucks right now. No need to wait.

guillensdisciple
07-27-2011, 11:54 AM
How much is that off the books for this year and next? 12 million?

I don't think we're all in anymore guys.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:54 AM
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Mark Teahen has a charity event with White Sox "teammates" scheduled for today. That might be weird.
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MtGrnwdSoxFan
07-27-2011, 11:54 AM
...the hell?

Outside of clearing some money off the books, what does this trade do for the Sox? Nothing?

It's okay, Kenny is addressing that glaring relief pitching hole we needed to patch up, according to the pundits.

amsteel
07-27-2011, 11:54 AM
No Jackson = 2 more starts from Peavy. They didn't even need to lose the series to throw in the towel.

I figured there may be some truth to the rumor last nite since Frasor's career is winding down and he's from the south suburbs.

Noneck
07-27-2011, 11:54 AM
And KW is a.....


You do mean is an employee and does what his boss tells him to do.

UofCSoxFan
07-27-2011, 11:54 AM
I understand trading Jackson. I just don't understand trading for Frasor, unless we then move Thornton for prospects. Bullpen help is not an issue for this team. We either need to add offense (if we still think we are in it this year) or we need to add youth (if we think we are out). Adding Frasor does neither of these things.

kevingrt
07-27-2011, 11:54 AM
No, I think you can pretty much tell this deal sucks right now. No need to wait.

Wait so all we are getting is Jason Frasor? Nothing else? This is a sad day.

delben91
07-27-2011, 11:54 AM
No, I think you can pretty much tell this deal sucks right now. No need to wait.

Depends on how badly someone wanted Teahen and his contract gone.

amsteel
07-27-2011, 11:54 AM
I can't wait to see this in part 5 of MLB Network's "The Club" White Sox reality show!

They already made a show about the 2011 White Sox: The Walking Dead

doublem23
07-27-2011, 11:56 AM
No, I think you can pretty much tell this deal sucks right now. No need to wait.

Sure, but plenty of people called Podsednik/Vizcaino for Lee the worst deal ever, too.

AzureJazzMan
07-27-2011, 11:56 AM
How much is that off the books for this year and next? 12 million?

I don't think we're all in anymore guys.

All in? Looks more like they folded after being called on their bluff.

guillensdisciple
07-27-2011, 11:56 AM
If we need a right handed reliever, just trade Thornton for one. We have 3 lefties right now.
De Aza - Ozzie now has 2 (of the desired 25) Juan Pierres.


We have an abundance of right handed relief too. I am having trouble believing that Kenny couldn't have dumped some salary on the Cards by giving up Jackson and Thornton while getting Rasmus. Clearly, those two players would be much better than just Jackson for a team competing to go to the playoffs.

kevingrt
07-27-2011, 11:57 AM
Deal is done according to Heyman.

Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahen for Jason Frasor and a prospect that we do not know of yet.

Ugh.

Only two team deal.

http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman/status/96247029122072576

Noneck
07-27-2011, 11:57 AM
Wait so all we are getting is Jason Frasor? Nothing else? This is a sad day.

Long Green is the key to this deal.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:57 AM
Wait so all we are getting is Jason Frasor? Nothing else? This is a sad day.

The Sox will be acquiring a marginal prospect as well that Kenny will undoubtedly be selling to the fans. Remember when we got Jeff Garland Marquez from the Yankees?

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 11:57 AM
@SI_JonHeyman
Jon Heyman
#chisox deal w/ tor is 2_team deal. E-jax to to, believe frasor and prospect to #chisox. Very likely. #tradedeadline

Tragg
07-27-2011, 11:57 AM
Sure, but plenty of people called Podsednik/Vizcaino for Lee the worst deal ever, too.

When we use the money saved on Teahen to sign a starting C and 2B, you will be correct.
And plenty of people said E Jax #1 was a steal............

Soxman219
07-27-2011, 11:58 AM
I don't like what I'm hearing at all. :(:

shingo10
07-27-2011, 11:58 AM
Can we start the EJackson appreciation thread?

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 11:58 AM
Zack Stewart is the prospect.

WhiteSox1989
07-27-2011, 11:59 AM
Uhh. Disappointing.

kevingrt
07-27-2011, 11:59 AM
Zack Stewart is coming along to according to Mark Gonzales. Anyone know anything about this kid?

Rocky Soprano
07-27-2011, 11:59 AM
Whatever happened to the days when KW was compared to Chuck Norris?

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 11:59 AM
Zack Stewart is the prospect.

Back of the rotation starter at best. Probably organizational filler. Better than Cooper though.

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 11:59 AM
Zack Stewart is coming along to according to Mark Gonzales. Anyone know anything about this kid?


25-year-old pitcher in Double A.

Awesome.

VMSNS
07-27-2011, 12:00 PM
So, we're still stuck with Teahen? Or is he going, too?

I still don't understand why Toronto would make this move. They're not in contention. Why would they even want Jackson?

TheOldRoman
07-27-2011, 12:00 PM
My guess is we'll keep him. Either way, Williams traded two top-end pitching prospects for a 34 year old middle reliever, 1 year of Jackson, and 1.5 years of Teahen's bad contract (which really wasn't that much of a hindrance, comparatively, anyway, as you said earlier). I wish I could see what you see in Williams' moves....No. You have to look at this deal in a vaccuum, otherwise you would never be able to trade any player for less than what was paid X years earlier. Was the deal to acquire Jackson bad? Debatable, but it looks like it at this point. Hudson was traded for Jackson because the Sox were trying to win the division. It didn't work out, as the pitching finally hit the wall in August after growing tired from carrying the offense all year.

Still, the Sox got one year out of Jackson. This is a separate deal. In this deal, the Sox are trading a type B free agent and Teahen's $7 mil through next year for a type B free agent and a prospect. THIS DEAL doesn't look bad (other than the fact that the Sox likely would have been able to get more for Jackson if Kenny wasn't apparently told to shed salary). What's done is done (whether moves in the past were good or bad) and you need to evalute this deal independent of past moves.

kevingrt
07-27-2011, 12:00 PM
Zack Stewart is the prospect.

A 24 year old AA kid... ugh

Ex-Chicagoan
07-27-2011, 12:00 PM
Zack Stewart is coming along to according to Mark Gonzales. Anyone know anything about this kid?

RHP.

http://baseballnewshound.com/?p=633

ohiosoxfan
07-27-2011, 12:00 PM
A quick perusal of Zach Stewart stats looks like a clone of Jeff Marquez. . . lots of hits per inning.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 12:01 PM
25-year-old pitcher in Double A.

Awesome.

He used to be kind of a pretty good prospect but fell apart after being traded from Cinci.

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 12:01 PM
Kenny says (obviously) it was salary dump.

Goose
07-27-2011, 12:01 PM
25-year-old pitcher in Double A.

Awesome.

Hmmm...that smells like hot garbage.

guillensdisciple
07-27-2011, 12:01 PM
Whatever happened to the days when KW was compared to Chuck Norris?


Statistically, a mediocre left handed starter for the double A affiliate of the blue jays.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
07-27-2011, 12:01 PM
A quick perusal of Zach Stewart stats looks like a clone of Jeff Marquez. . . lots of hits per inning.

That Kenny...sure knows how to rob teams blind of talent!

:gah:

kevingrt
07-27-2011, 12:01 PM
No. You have to look at this deal in a vaccuum, otherwise you would never be able to trade any player for less than what was paid X years earlier. Was the deal to acquire Jackson bad? Debatable, but it looks like it at this point. Hudson was traded for Jackson because the Sox were trying to win the division. It didn't work out, as the pitching finally hit the wall in August after growing tired from carrying the offense all year.

Still, the Sox got one year out of Jackson. This is a separate deal. In this deal, the Sox are trading a type B free agent and Teahen's $7 mil through next year for a type B free agent and a prospect. THIS DEAL doesn't look bad (other than the fact that the Sox likely would have been able to get more for Jackson if Kenny wasn't apparently told to shed salary). What's done is done (whether moves in the past were good or bad) and you need to evalute this deal independent of past moves.

And we should have gotten more for EJax but didn't. Case closed. Bad trade.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 12:02 PM
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KW - we needed to make dent in payroll
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Salary dump ho!

doublem23
07-27-2011, 12:02 PM
So, we're still stuck with Teahen? Or is he going, too?

I still don't understand why Toronto would make this move. They're not in contention. Why would they even want Jackson?

Teahen is gone, as well. So at least the Sox shed his boner extension.

Rumor is Toronto will be flipping Jackson to St. Louis for Rasmus.

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 12:02 PM
Kenny says Rios is getting benched.

TheOldRoman
07-27-2011, 12:02 PM
All in? Looks more like they folded after being called on their bluff.Totallly. I mean, if Dunn and Rios were hitting at their previous career worsts, not even giving average seasons, the Sox would be in first by 5+ games. But those players underachieving means the team is horrible.

Domeshot17
07-27-2011, 12:02 PM
No. You have to look at this deal in a vaccuum, otherwise you would never be able to trade any player for less than what was paid X years earlier. Was the deal to acquire Jackson bad? Debatable, but it looks like it at this point. Hudson was traded for Jackson because the Sox were trying to win the division. It didn't work out, as the pitching finally hit the wall in August after growing tired from carrying the offense all year.

Still, the Sox got one year out of Jackson. This is a separate deal. In this deal, the Sox are trading a type B free agent and Teahen's $7 mil through next year for a type B free agent and a prospect. THIS DEAL doesn't look bad (other than the fact that the Sox likely would have been able to get more for Jackson if Kenny wasn't apparently told to shed salary). What's done is done (whether moves in the past were good or bad) and you need to evalute this deal independent of past moves.

No you don't. Baseball players are just like Stocks. It is a zero sum game. Players are not created, but simply change hands. Kenny Williams over the last 3 years has proven to be very good at buying high and selling low. Very Good.

rowand33
07-27-2011, 12:02 PM
Is the prospect Lawrie?

Glad to see KW turned Hudson into half of Jason Frasor.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 12:02 PM
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Stewart, a 24-year-old starter who made AAA in 2009 and then was bumped back to AA this year. Nothing to see here, people.
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Harry Potter
07-27-2011, 12:03 PM
Zack Stewart is coming along to according to Mark Gonzales. Anyone know anything about this kid?

He had a great spring, was a roto "sleeper". Didn't break camp but made a spot start or two this summer

Domeshot17
07-27-2011, 12:03 PM
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stewart, a 24-year-old starter who made aaa in 2009 and then was bumped back to aa this year. Nothing to see here, people.
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ha! Bfc!

TheOldRoman
07-27-2011, 12:04 PM
And we should have gotten more for EJax but didn't. Case closed. Bad trade.Well, Kenny was told he had to get rid of salary. If that is the case, that precluded him from taking the best possible offer.

kevingrt
07-27-2011, 12:04 PM
@scottmerkin
Scott Merkin
Rios going to the bench for De Aza

WOOHOOO!!!!!!

Goose
07-27-2011, 12:04 PM
Kenny says Rios is getting benched.

Why bench him?

Rios should be schlepping beers in the stands to pay back some of the money he stole.

You dont want to know what job I have in mind for Dunn.

doublem23
07-27-2011, 12:05 PM
And we should have gotten more for EJax but didn't. Case closed. Bad trade.

It's hard to guage what the market is right now since this is the 1st major move before the salary deadline, but there are plenty of reports out there that teams are severly overvaluing their own prospects and just afraid to move any of them.

So while it's easy to say, with zero actual knowledge of what the actual market is, what Player X and Player Y should fetch, perhaps we should wait to see what it actually is.

guillensdisciple
07-27-2011, 12:05 PM
Well, I'm off- if the Sox are doing this whole dumping salary thing then they better get a move on getting rid of some other players for actual prospects because this guy won't do much for us. Oye, we're in serious trouble.

kevingrt
07-27-2011, 12:05 PM
Kenny says Rios is getting benched.

Only good news of the day so far.

VenturaFan23
07-27-2011, 12:05 PM
Kenny says (obviously) it was salary dump.

Oh good, then that means Rios is next!

Sockinchisox
07-27-2011, 12:05 PM
Oh hey awesome! We're going to bring him up sometime this year too!

@ChrisRongey
Chris Rongey
Also per KW: Zack Stewart, part of Jackson/Teahen trade, will likely find his way to big club this season #whitesox

doublem23
07-27-2011, 12:06 PM
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Cooper's next reclamation project?

Pretty sure we all said the same thing about the Humber signing last off-season.

1908<2005
07-27-2011, 12:06 PM
Terrible trade. All in my ass.

kevingrt
07-27-2011, 12:07 PM
It's hard to guage what the market is right now since this is the 1st major move before the salary deadline, but there are plenty of reports out there that teams are severly overvaluing their own prospects and just afraid to move any of them.

So while it's easy to say, with zero actual knowledge of what the actual market is, what Player X and Player Y should fetch, perhaps we should wait to see what it actually is.

You are right. But considering last year a guy like Edwin Jackson yielded a solid pitching hand that was ready for the big leagues makes this move sad. I know you have to look at moves in a vacuum but how annoying is it that come late July the brass is trying to rectify past poor moves (ie signing Teahen).

VenturaFan23
07-27-2011, 12:08 PM
Kenny says Rios is getting benched.

It's about ****ing time!!!!!!! :bandance:

DSpivack
07-27-2011, 12:08 PM
Oh hey awesome! We're going to bring him up sometime this year too!

@ChrisRongey
Chris Rongey
Also per KW: Zack Stewart, part of Jackson/Teahen trade, will likely find his way to big club this season #whitesox

In other words, Jackson is the first, but won't be the last SP traded.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 12:08 PM
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1908<2005
07-27-2011, 12:09 PM
We basically traded Daniel Hudson for Edwin Jackson and Jason Frasor. What a joke.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
07-27-2011, 12:09 PM
Terrible trade. All in my ass.

They're folding. They got stuck with a 2 spade and a J heart with a 6 club, 3 diamond and 8 spade flop.

The sad part is, the Tigers and Indians' hands aren't much better.

SSrep
07-27-2011, 12:09 PM
Terrible trade. All in my ass.

haha, I couldn't figure out what this meant.

johnnyg83
07-27-2011, 12:09 PM
You are right. But considering last year a guy like Edwin Jackson yielded a solid pitching hand that was ready for the big leagues makes this move sad. I know you have to look at moves in a vacuum but how annoying is it that come late July the brass is trying to rectify past poor moves (ie signing Teahen).

That's it. Last year, Jackson was worth our best pitching prospect. This year he's worth almost nothing. And his ERA is almost 1.50 runs better today.

Noneck
07-27-2011, 12:10 PM
Oh hey awesome! We're going to bring him up sometime this year too!

@ChrisRongey
Chris Rongey
Also per KW: Zack Stewart, part of Jackson/Teahen trade, will likely find his way to big club this season #whitesox

Yea the way things look to be going, why not. Every club has to fill the 25 man roster.

The Immigrant
07-27-2011, 12:10 PM
Cooper's next reclamation project?

Pretty sure we all said the same thing about the Humber signing last off-season.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30609/zach-stewart

Two good starts this season, including one against Detroit. Comparing him to Jeff Marquez is kind of stupid.

balke
07-27-2011, 12:11 PM
Glad to to see some monetary relief. Jackson was out the door ever since he came here. Theory was he was only acquired to get Dunn - and the Nationals GM screwed Kenny over on that.

With bullpen help - more backup for Peavy. I still think yesterday was a good enough outing against the Detroit Tigers. He's showing progress with each start if you actually watch him pitch and not just the stats.

This move doesn't really hurt the team IMO. Opens up a position for De Aza so Rios can sit. Deleted 1 of 3 not good 3Bman

JB98
07-27-2011, 12:11 PM
Having to make trades like this is additional evidence that this regime has lost its touch. Sucks.

At least that dog Rios is finally getting benched, although there's no way De Aza is a long-term answer for anything.

guillensdisciple
07-27-2011, 12:12 PM
But if he were to crack the roster then we must be trading either another starting pitcher or bullpen. This is going to be a busy busy trade deadline from what it's shaping up right now.

TheOldRoman
07-27-2011, 12:12 PM
They're folding. They got stuck with a 2 spade and a J heart with a 6 club, 3 diamond and 8 spade flop.

The sad part is, the Tigers and Indians' hands aren't much better.Once again, if Rios and Dunn were duplicating their PREVIOUS CAREER WORST YEARS, the Sox would be in first by 5+ games, even with Peavy recoving from an injury, Pierre struggling the first two months and Walker doing his best to ruin Beckham's career.

Huisj
07-27-2011, 12:13 PM
I'll believe it that Rios is benched when I see him not in the lineup come Friday. Recent history shows that these benching threats usually last all of one game.

Hitmen77
07-27-2011, 12:13 PM
That Kenny...sure knows how to rob teams blind of talent!

:gah:


If by saying "teams" you mean the White Sox, then yes I agree.

TheOldRoman
07-27-2011, 12:13 PM
Apparently, this guy is ranked as the #44 prospect in baseball. Not a blue chipper, but hopefully someone who can contribute.

CHISOXFAN13
07-27-2011, 12:13 PM
But if he were to crack the roster then we must be trading either another starting pitcher or bullpen. This is going to be a busy busy trade deadline from what it's shaping up right now.

There's no guarantee he makes the roster until September when rosters expand.

DirtySox
07-27-2011, 12:14 PM
Apparently, this guy is ranked as the #44 prospect in baseball. Not a blue chipper, but hopefully someone who can contribute.

Stewart is a back of the rotation guy if things pan out. Which list are you looking at? Is it from this year?

Dick Allen
07-27-2011, 12:14 PM
On to football, I guess.

**** this organization.