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RKMeibalane
07-16-2011, 09:23 AM
"I don't know if we've ever had anybody have an entire season get away from them. These guys are going to look back at this year and know it wasn't their best year, but what we talked to them about was, 'Hey, you know that year I was so sorry the first half? I came back and was solid in the second half and we won.' That would totally make everyone forget the first half. Both are very capable of doing that, and we're capable of doing that." —Hitting coach Greg Walker, on the dismal first halves for Adam Dunn and Alex Rios

HebrewHammer
07-16-2011, 10:05 AM
Never had a full season get away from anyone, eh?

Walker clearly doesn't remember both his '88 and '89 seasons with the White Sox.

Or Brian Anderson's career.

Or Juan Uribe's 2007 season.

Or Jerry Owens entire life.

Or any of the other complete black holes we've had in the lineup since Walker has been our hitting coach.

TomBradley72
07-16-2011, 10:26 AM
Never had a full season get away from anyone, eh?

Walker clearly doesn't remember both his '88 and '89 seasons with the White Sox.

Or Brian Anderson's career.

Or Juan Uribe's 2007 season.

Or Jerry Owens entire life.

Or any of the other complete black holes we've had in the lineup since Walker has been our hitting coach.

Blaming Walker for Anderson or Owens is pretty ridiculous-

tstrike2000
07-16-2011, 10:30 AM
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"Who gives a ****?"

voodoochile
07-16-2011, 10:31 AM
Blaming Walker for Anderson or Owens is pretty ridiculous-

It fits the narrative...

Rocky Soprano
07-16-2011, 10:49 AM
"'Hey, you know that year I was so sorry the first half? I came back and was solid in the second half and we won.' That would totally make everyone forget the first half."

In other words he hopes they have a solid second half so that he can keep his job.

tstrike2000
07-16-2011, 10:55 AM
In other words he hopes they have a solid second half so that he can keep his job.

The fact he still has a job as it is, it may take an act of God to take him out of here.

HebrewHammer
07-16-2011, 11:17 AM
Blaming Walker for Anderson or Owens is pretty ridiculous-

I never blamed Walker for anything.

He either has a bad memory or he's lying.

TomBradley72
07-16-2011, 11:26 AM
I never blamed Walker for anything.

He either has a bad memory or he's lying.

He's doing neither- something can't "get away from you" if you never had it to begin with. Owens and Anderson just sucked at hitting a baseball- and their overall MLB careers are evidence of that.

voodoochile
07-16-2011, 12:15 PM
I never blamed Walker for anything.

He either has a bad memory or he's lying.

Well the implication is that people who have had a successful career rarely have bad whole seasons and your examples don't fit.

RKMeibalane
07-16-2011, 01:03 PM
Well the implication is that people who have had a successful career rarely have bad whole seasons and your examples don't fit.

Either way, Walker doesn't know what he's talking about. There are plenty of players who- for their standards- have had sub-par seasons.

Will Clark finished with a lifetime batting average of .303. His 1993 season was without question the worst of his career, as only a late-season surge allowed him to raise his average above .280. He spent most of the year floundering in mediocrity, spurring Giant's ownership to spend money in other areas, and ultimately allowing him to sign with the Texas Rangers before the '94 season. Though Brandon Belt seems primed to have a nice career, the Giants still haven't been able to replace Clark at first place.

Our own Frank Thomas had an abysmal 2002 season, hitting .239 in the first half (though some of his struggles were due to the triceps injury that obliterated his 2001 season), and .252 overall, not at all consistent with his normal level of production.

Wade Boggs hit .259 in 1992, despite having over three thousand hits and lifetime batting average of .328. His only other sub-.300 seasons came in 1997 (.292 with the Yankees) and '98 (.289 with Tampa Bay).

On a smaller scale, Ray Lankford was an AS-caliber outfielder for the Cardinals in the '90s. He averaged .272/23/83/.840. His 1993 season was, therefore, forgettable with a line of .238/7/45/.713.

Oh, and let's not forget Paul Konerko's 2003 season (.234/18/65/.704), the very same year that Walker became hitting instructor on the South Side.

Do I need to go on?

Walker needs to be fired.

dickallen15
07-16-2011, 01:20 PM
Either way, Walker doesn't know what he's talking about. There are plenty of players who- for their standards- have had sub-par seasons.

Will Clark finished with a lifetime batting average of .303. His 1993 season was without question the worst of his career, as only a late-season surge allowed him to raise his average above .280. He spent most of the year floundering in mediocrity, spurring Giant's ownership to spend money in other areas, and ultimately allowing him to sign with the Texas Rangers before the '94 season. Though Brandon Belt seems primed to have a nice career, the Giants still haven't been able to replace Clark at first place.

Our own Frank Thomas had an abysmal 2002 season, hitting .239 in the first half (though some of his struggles were due to the triceps injury that obliterated his 2001 season), and .252 overall, not at all consistent with his normal level of production.

Wade Boggs hit .259 in 1992, despite having over three thousand hits and lifetime batting average of .328. His only other sub-.300 seasons came in 1997 (.292 with the Yankees) and '98 (.289 with Tampa Bay).

On a smaller scale, Ray Lankford was an AS-caliber outfielder for the Cardinals in the '90s. He averaged .272/23/83/.840. His 1993 season was, therefore, forgettable with a line of .238/7/45/.713.

Oh, and let's not forget Paul Konerko's 2003 season (.234/18/65/.704), the very same year that Walker became hitting instructor on the South Side.

Do I need to go on?

Walker needs to be fired.

You do need to go on because Walker said "we" and he's been the hitting coach since the middle of 2003. None of your examples apply, only Konerko and he started hitting the second half when Walker took over.

Brian26
07-16-2011, 01:58 PM
Oh, and let's not forget Paul Konerko's 2003 season (.234/18/65/.704), the very same year that Walker became hitting instructor on the South Side.

Do I need to go on?

Walker needs to be fired.

Walker's the guy who re-built Konerko's swing and made him figure things out in the 2nd half of '03 before his great 2004 and 2005 seasons.

voodoochile
07-16-2011, 01:59 PM
You do need to go on because Walker said "we" and he's been the hitting coach since the middle of 2003. None of your examples apply, only Konerko and he started hitting the second half when Walker took over.

Well you know, Boggs hit .259 in 1992 so fire Greg Walker...

Irishsox1
07-16-2011, 10:06 PM
I have faith the Dunn can turn it around because he's still got power. Rios on the other hand I would just release. There is something about the guy that I think him leaving would be addition by subtraction.

MetroPD
07-16-2011, 10:41 PM
Dunn shouldn't even be allowed to carry the ball bag. He put in another fine 0-4 performance with 3k's again today. Rios, I don't know what his problem is, but I do know I have much higher hopes in him being able to get on track than Dunn. Afterall Rios is actually hitting above .200 Maybe Dunn should bat from the right side?