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cws05champ
07-09-2011, 05:41 PM
I saw this on an article about Mike Cameron and thought it was pretty comical that Cameron's WAR was much higher than Konerko's even this many years after the trade:

Meanwhile, the Reds had this power-hitting first baseman they'd just acquired that July from the Dodgers for Jeff Shaw: Paul Konerko. On November 11, 1998, the two teams made a one-for-one deal. The White Sox, naturally, have to feel good about the deal - Konerko will represent them in the 2011 All Star game, his fifth such appearance with Chicago. He also won the 2005 ALCS MVP, and yes, a World Series. So, you know, not a bad return.

Interestingly, though, as per Wins Above Replacement, the White Sox lost the deal, if one assumes Cameron would have stayed in Chicago from the deal until today, as Konerko has. While Konerko has posted a WAR of 26.2 with the White Sox - his defense at first base hasn't added much value - Cameron's WAR, due to his defense in center field, checks in at a robust 41.2. Cameron posted a 5.4 WAR in his one season with Cincinnati- roughly a fifth of Konerko's total in the twelve years since the trade.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/jack-of-all-trades-mike-cameron.html

spongyfungy
07-09-2011, 08:38 PM
Adam Dunn -1.6
Juan Pierre -0.8
Alex Rios -0.5

I do believe in WAR. although there are exceptions to this stat. It's tough to measure defensive stats, until they start to use cameras to measure zones, velocity etc.

Also of note, Chone Figgins -1.3. imagine if the sox had him too.