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Frater Perdurabo
07-08-2011, 11:32 PM
Puke

Lip Man 1
07-08-2011, 11:32 PM
Typical 2011 White Sox game. When one part is good the other stinks to high heaven.

Offense finally scores some runs (at least early before going to sleep again) but the starting pitching is ****.

Now I understand why Floyd wanted to sign that contract extension so quickly...2008 was nothing but a fluke season for him.

And you have to wonder about Ozzie who is so big on the match-up stuff bringing in a left hander to face Hughes a right hander (who promptly belts a home run...)

All you can do now is laugh as the Sox get beat again by a bunch of no name stiffs for the Twins.

Lip

PeteWard
07-08-2011, 11:33 PM
Low point of the year but I think it will get worse. :(:

Time to wheel and deal and build for the future.

arKnaD7
07-08-2011, 11:35 PM
What a **** show.

Time to hold someone accountable.

Zakath
07-08-2011, 11:35 PM
1 great inning followed by 8 innings of ****.

A microcosm of the Sox season.

DirtySox
07-08-2011, 11:35 PM
And you have to wonder about Ozzie who is so big on the match-up stuff bringing in a left hander to face Hughes a right hander (who promptly belts a home run...)


I'll field this one.

It's because Ozzie is a moron.

Letting a struggling Floyd face a lefty, then bringing in his LOOGY to face a righty is just awful, terrible, and horrendous managing.

HaroMaster87
07-08-2011, 11:36 PM
The sox bullpen has been great again...other than Ohman.

Floyd...ugh. Isn't he usually bad against the twins? Well, him and all the rest of our sackless team?

Im still saying 5-14 in this 19 against the division...and season over.

PeteWard
07-08-2011, 11:36 PM
1 great inning followed by 8 innings of ****.

A microcosm of the Sox season.

Nah, it's usually just 9 innings of ****.

HaroMaster87
07-08-2011, 11:36 PM
What a **** show.

Time to hold someone accountable.

Time to take Floyd out of your sig...

Nelfox02
07-08-2011, 11:37 PM
Typical 2011 White Sox game. When one part is good the other stinks to high heaven.

Offense finally scores some runs (at least early before going to sleep again) but the starting pitching is ****.

Now I understand why Floyd wanted to sign that contract extension so quickly...2008 was nothing but a fluke season for him.

And you have to wonder about Ozzie who is so big on the match-up stuff bringing in a left hander to face Hughes a right hander (who promptly belts a home run...)

All you can do now is laugh as the Sox get beat again by a bunch of no name stiffs for the Twins.

Lip


luckily for me I was not watching or listening to the game when that went down....

I am curious to hear Oz defenders explain that move

I have been been thru/seen some rough stuff as a sox fan....but I cant recall anything like this....being flat out dominated by a team for years.

this has gone beyond ridculous at this point something has to give here

chisoxfanatic
07-08-2011, 11:38 PM
:angry:

That is all.

Lip Man 1
07-08-2011, 11:38 PM
Dirty:

On a side note, did you get my e-mail about Thursday's blog interview?

Lip

Viva Medias B's
07-08-2011, 11:38 PM
lbNidYYGjic

HaroMaster87
07-08-2011, 11:38 PM
I'm watching Twins postgame...9 straight against us now! HAHAHAHAHA

No biggie boys, you guys still get those paychecks...****ing sackless bastards...

Viva Medias B's
07-08-2011, 11:39 PM
If I hear Ozzie praise the Twins again, I'm going to puke. Ozzie against the Twins = Wannstedt against the Packers.

Red Barchetta
07-08-2011, 11:39 PM
Every time this team pulls me back in (aka reaching .500), they then go and break me down. Losing 4 of 5 so far AT HOME against the cellar dwelling Royals and (so far) under-achieving, no name Twins is enough to drive any SOX fan crazy.

I really want to like this team, but they keep tearing me down.

If this team didn't have Paulie, there would be nothing to root for.

DirtySox
07-08-2011, 11:40 PM
Dirty:

On a side note, did you get my e-mail about Thursday's blog interview?

Lip

I did not. The e-mail address that I registered for this site with is probably quite outdated and inaccessible.

Zakath
07-08-2011, 11:40 PM
What's the record for number of guests?

Enjoy it while you can, Twins fans. You only have 12 more against us, then you actually have to beat someone to save your pathetic ****ing season.

ChiSoxGal85
07-08-2011, 11:43 PM
Didn't watch past the 1st out of the 3rd inning, because I'd seen that movie before and I didn't like how it ended.

What an embarrassment of a performance against a Twins team that really is not very good.

I'd really like for the Sox to turn it around, but I'm a little tired of having my heart broken. Need to take a break from this **** for a while.

aloha
07-08-2011, 11:44 PM
ozzie put this team in position to win, they just didn't score enough runs. maybe if the fans would cheer better the players could hit more.

Daver
07-08-2011, 11:45 PM
What's the record for number of guests?



Twins trolls are not happy with my policy on registration, I think I've deleted 15 of them so far.

Zakath
07-08-2011, 11:45 PM
At 7-15, the Sox now have the worst record percentage wise against their own division among the 30 MLB clubs.

Lip Man 1
07-08-2011, 11:45 PM
Dirty:

Please send me your e-mail address. Something is going down Thursday that I'd like to know if you'd be willing to help me out on. I'll explain, it's about the minor league system.

mliptak1@msn.com

Lip

arKnaD7
07-08-2011, 11:46 PM
Time to take Floyd out of your sig...

maybe tomorrow

Crestani
07-08-2011, 11:47 PM
ozzie put this team in position to win, they just didn't score enough runs. maybe if the fans would cheer better the players could hit more.



:rolling:

all*star quentin
07-08-2011, 11:48 PM
lbNidYYGjic

hahaha, Perfect, that's the question...what's the answer?

chisoxfanatic
07-08-2011, 11:50 PM
What's the record for number of guests?

Enjoy it while you can, Twins fans. You only have 12 more against us, then you actually have to beat someone to save your pathetic ****ing season.
How sad is it that I think we're going to lose all 12 of those games?

TheOldRoman
07-08-2011, 11:52 PM
Typical 2011 White Sox game. When one part is good the other stinks to high heaven.

Offense finally scores some runs (at least early before going to sleep again) but the starting pitching is ****.

Now I understand why Floyd wanted to sign that contract extension so quickly...2008 was nothing but a fluke season for him.

And you have to wonder about Ozzie who is so big on the match-up stuff bringing in a left hander to face Hughes a right hander (who promptly belts a home run...)

All you can do now is laugh as the Sox get beat again by a bunch of no name stiffs for the Twins.

LipYeah, that isn't true at all. While his ERA went up slightly, in 09, his WHIP was down. Oh, and last year he was the best pitcher in baseball for about two months before struggling when an injury flaired up. I don't get that some people need to stomp their feet and claim all our players are actually terrible after losses.

As for this **** show, Floyd was terrible today, as he has been against the Twins of late. While the offense and coaching staff are completely afraid of the Twins, it appears that has spread to at least Floyd. The offense was horrible. There is no way Blackburn should have been allowed to go 5 innings. Walkerball is like a box of chocolates. While you don't know for sure what you are going to get any night, you have had it before. We have seen this before. The offense exploded in the first (5 runs is an explosion for them) and then said "****, this game's over. Let's just have quick at bats and get to the bars soon." The pitching can't be great every night. There is no excuse for not scoring after the first, especially when facing two horrible relievers.

PalehosePlanet
07-08-2011, 11:53 PM
Same old story: ****ty starter has nothing but we let him off the hook; worse than terrible relievers shut us down for 3 innings; then a mediocre closer sets us down in order.

I realize Gavin had nothing tonight, but Ozzie's idiocy is beyond explanation.

Crestani
07-08-2011, 11:53 PM
How sad is it that I think we're going to lose all 12 of those games?


Ya think..??:scratch:

Crestani
07-08-2011, 11:54 PM
Gavin pitches like he is afraid to throw the ball..!!

PalehosePlanet
07-08-2011, 11:58 PM
Yeah, that isn't true at all. While his ERA went up slightly, in 09, his WHIP was down. Oh, and last year he was the best pitcher in baseball for about two months before struggling when an injury flaired up. I don't get that some people need to stomp their feet and claim all our players are actually terrible after losses.

As for this **** show, Floyd was terrible today, as he has been against the Twins of late. While the offense and coaching staff are completely afraid of the Twins, it appears that has spread to at least Floyd. The offense was horrible. There is no way Blackburn should have been allowed to go 5 innings. Walkerball is like a box of chocolates. While you don't know for sure what you are going to get any night, you have had it before. We have seen this before. The offense exploded in the first (5 runs is an explosion for them) and then said "****, this game's over. Let's just have quick at bats and get to the bars soon." The pitching can't be great every night. There is no excuse for not scoring after the first, especially when facing two horrible relievers.

Three. Nathan is done.

I agree 100% on everything else you posted, especially the comment regarding the overreaction on Gavin's bad night.

Lip Man 1
07-08-2011, 11:59 PM
Roman:

We'll just have to disagree on Floyd. He disappears for long stretches of the season, can't finish the season because he gets hurt in September (last two years) and in my opinion, he definitely lacks something, call it "killer instinct" for wont of a better word.

The old saying seems to apply to him, million dollar arm...ten cent brain.

Lip

Lip Man 1
07-09-2011, 12:00 AM
Palehose:

I think Floyd has had more a bad five weeks than a bad night.

Lip

johnnyg83
07-09-2011, 12:01 AM
If we go 1-6 on this homestand, it has to bring changes. Right?

Right? Right?

Lip Man 1
07-09-2011, 12:01 AM
Johnny:

Don't hold your breath.

Lip

all*star quentin
07-09-2011, 12:02 AM
Gavin pitches like he is afraid to throw the ball..!!


I agree, I think it started right after Peavys' torn lat?

johnnyg83
07-09-2011, 12:03 AM
Johnny:

Don't hold your breath.

Lip

Holding my breath is more rewarding than watching the 2011 White Sox.

Nelfox02
07-09-2011, 12:03 AM
If we go 1-6 on this homestand, it has to bring changes. Right?

Right? Right?


dont thinks so......

palehozenychicty
07-09-2011, 12:04 AM
The sad part is that they'll probably play better in the second half to be at .498. Management will not change. Nothing will happen.

Viva Medias B's
07-09-2011, 12:05 AM
Jerry Reinsdorf is loyal to a fault. That hurts are team far more than Adam Dunn could.

Jerko
07-09-2011, 12:07 AM
Well I'll be there for tomorrow's spanking

Lip Man 1
07-09-2011, 12:09 AM
Dirty:

(My apologies to all for hijacking this) Sent you the info and the request via the e-mail you gave me. Please read it over and let me know.

Many thanks,

Lip

BainesHOF
07-09-2011, 12:09 AM
ozzie put this team in position to win...

No, he put the team in position to lose. Ozzie kept Floyd in two batters too long. Then he weirdly brought in a lefty specialist to face a righty with two men on base.

Ozzie is an idiot.

Pure garbage.

Nelfox02
07-09-2011, 12:09 AM
If I hear Ozzie praise the Twins again, I'm going to puke. Ozzie against the Twins = Wannstedt against the Packers.


I am not really a Bear fan and dont follow the team all that close....but I dont recall Wannie or anyone associated with Bears ever coming out and praising the Pack and their "brand of football" time and time again while responding to questions about what the Bears could do to fix their shortcomings with "I dont know"

can you imagine the rage on meatball radio and papers in this town if that happened in that situation?

Noneck
07-09-2011, 12:12 AM
Johnny:

Don't hold your breath.

Lip

Lip. I'm not doubting what you have heard but if the Sox slither into 4th place and are 10+ out, there is only one way for reinsdorf to recoupe some of his losses. No one will be buying tics so its dump salary. I see no other way around it.

PeteWard
07-09-2011, 12:13 AM
Lip. I'm not doubting what you have heard but if the Sox slither into 4th place and are 10+ out, there is only one way for reinsdorf to recoupe some of his losses. No one will be buying tics so its dump salary. I see no other way around it.


Agreed. Something major will have to happen soon.

A. Cavatica
07-09-2011, 12:14 AM
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Nathan is done.

I predict Nathan is a White Sox next year.

BainesHOF
07-09-2011, 12:14 AM
Zach Zaidman is currently sounding like a fool as the fill-in postgame show host. Turn on the radio if you want a laugh. Half the stuff he's saying is pure nonsense. Shouldn't a guy hosting a baseball postgame show know something about...baseball?

chisoxfanatic
07-09-2011, 12:15 AM
Well I'll be there for tomorrow's spanking
Say WHAT??? :wink:

SBSoxFan
07-09-2011, 12:15 AM
Yeah, that isn't true at all. While his ERA went up slightly, in 09, his WHIP was down. Oh, and last year he was the best pitcher in baseball for about two months before struggling when an injury flaired up. I don't get that some people need to stomp their feet and claim all our players are actually terrible after losses.

As for this **** show, Floyd was terrible today, as he has been against the Twins of late. While the offense and coaching staff are completely afraid of the Twins, it appears that has spread to at least Floyd. The offense was horrible. There is no way Blackburn should have been allowed to go 5 innings. Walkerball is like a box of chocolates. While you don't know for sure what you are going to get any night, you have had it before. We have seen this before. The offense exploded in the first (5 runs is an explosion for them) and then said "****, this game's over. Let's just have quick at bats and get to the bars soon." The pitching can't be great every night. There is no excuse for not scoring after the first, especially when facing two horrible relievers.

Which is why I had a change of heart this morning. I actually admire JR's loyalty, and believe that staying the course is a preferable approach over "change for the sake of change." However, the constant ineptitude of the offense is not fair to the pitching staff. Walker needs to go.

I hope I'm wrong and everyone stays put and the Sox win the division, at least.

Crestani
07-09-2011, 12:16 AM
I predict Nathan is a White Sox next year.


Perfect, Sale for Nathan..! (Kenny probably likes it)

Crestani
07-09-2011, 12:19 AM
Zach Zaidman is currently sounding like a fool as the fill-in postgame show host. Turn on the radio if you want a laugh. Half the stuff he's saying is pure nonsense.


Share, with those of us that can't listen! What is so funny?

HaroMaster87
07-09-2011, 12:21 AM
Share, with those of us that can't listen! What is so funny?


Internet feed, my friend...or iphone app like myself!

DickAllen72
07-09-2011, 12:23 AM
I'll field this one.

It's because Ozzie is a moron.

Letting a struggling Floyd face a lefty, then bringing in his LOOGY to face a righty is just awful, terrible, and horrendous managing.
:fireozzie

slavko
07-09-2011, 12:23 AM
Agreed. Something major will have to happen soon.

Trade some guys who can play a little and have big salaries while we keep the untradeable guys who can't play and have monster salaries. I eagerly await the results.

Crestani
07-09-2011, 12:24 AM
Internet feed, my friend...or iphone app like myself!


Got it..Thanks.

A. Cavatica
07-09-2011, 12:25 AM
Perfect, Sale for Nathan..! (Kenny probably likes it)

We couldn't get Nathan for just Sale. Sale and Viciedo, probably, and a couple of pitching prospects from A ball.

Correction: our GM couldn't get Nathan for just Sale...

PalehosePlanet
07-09-2011, 12:33 AM
Palehose:

I think Floyd has had more a bad five weeks than a bad night.

Lip

Lip, his last game he pitched 7 innings against The Cubs, gave up 3 runs, struck out 8 and was hung w/a loss because our putrid offense mustered up 1 run on a wild pitch.

The game before he gave up 2 runs in 7 innings at Colorado and got a no decision. But again another quality start.

He was terrible tonight, and was brutal a couple of weeks ago at home against The Cubs, but other than that he's been pretty good even during the last five hard luck weeks.

Tragg
07-09-2011, 12:33 AM
No, he put the team in position to lose. Ozzie kept Floyd in two batters too long. Then he weirdly brought in a lefty specialist to face a righty with two men on base.


Did any of the talking heads ask him about that after the game? That's a weird move even for Oz.

palehozenychicty
07-09-2011, 12:40 AM
Luke Hughes! Luke Hughes! :angry:

doublem23
07-09-2011, 12:40 AM
One bad game, I can understand, but their efforts against the Twins this year has been dreadful. It's embarrassing. Really.

SBSoxFan
07-09-2011, 12:41 AM
Luke Hughes! Luke Hughes! :angry:

6 2-out runs!

Hitmen77
07-09-2011, 12:42 AM
Holding my breath is more rewarding than watching the 2011 White Sox.

Agreed. Their stench is overpowering.

Anyone who is surprised that the Sox blew a 5-1 lead to the Twins and ended up losing is seriously out of touch with reality.

Oh well, at least none of this is Ozzie's or Walker's fault.

HaroMaster87
07-09-2011, 12:44 AM
Got it..Thanks.

Dude, I live with that iphone app. I moved to Cali 3 years ago for work...if I didnt have this app, I would go crazy! Gotta have my 670am!

PalehosePlanet
07-09-2011, 12:48 AM
One bad game, I can understand, but their efforts against the Twins this year has been dreadful. It's embarrassing. Really.

The ****fest vs. the twinkies really started last year with the Sunday game Jenks pissed away at Minny right after the break. I think we've beaten them only twice since.

And, yes, it's embarrassing as all hell.

kaufsox
07-09-2011, 12:50 AM
One bad game, I can understand, but their efforts against the Twins this year has been dreadful. It's embarrassing. Really.

this year? Aren't they about 6/7 in their last 33 or something equally horrible. Pretty simple really, beat the division, win the division. Lose in the division, stay home for the playoffs.

soltrain21
07-09-2011, 12:53 AM
The ****fest vs. the twinkies really started last year with the Sunday game Jenks pissed away at Minny right after the break. I think we've beaten them only twice since.

And, yes, it's embarrassing as all hell.

Started earlier than that.

Soxman219
07-09-2011, 01:24 AM
Serious question: Will we ever beat the Twins in a series again?

PalehosePlanet
07-09-2011, 01:30 AM
Started earlier than that.

I know, but it seems to have gotten worse since that game. At least before that game I, and The Sox, thought we could win when we played them.

doublem23
07-09-2011, 01:35 AM
Serious question: Will we ever beat the Twins in a series again?

Probably as soon as we can Ozzie.

Noneck
07-09-2011, 01:35 AM
Serious question: Will we ever beat the Twins in a series again?

Serious answer, Yes.

Cuck the Fubs
07-09-2011, 01:55 AM
This team ****ing sucks.

Time for changes....now.

All In...what a joke.

kittle42
07-09-2011, 04:27 AM
Please, stop going to games. I have.

guillensdisciple
07-09-2011, 04:34 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am slightly tipsy and slightly normal and let me say one thing. **** this baseball team. Honestly, **** them for being a team without character, without pride, without tradition.

**** this baseball team for wasting money on absolute ****ing jokes like Adam Dunn and Alex Rios. **** this baseball team for continuing on the same path even though it has been proven wrong. **** this baseball team for sticking to it because "there are no other options." **** t his baseball team for sucking the **** out of any ****ing match up against the Minnesota Twins and **** them for respecting them. The Twins are a joke- always have been and always will be.

WE are the White Sox my friends, a team meant to suck ass against these Twins who are the obsvious world beaters. **** them and **** this team. I have been a fan of the White Sox since I came to this country in 1996 and I have never hated a team more than I hate this team. Never have I been proven right so much. I would gladly eat a whole **** load of crow to see this team win, but nah BULLDOG Peavy, Gliding Rios, and CANYON Dunn play to win the ****ing game. Nah, it's not worth it. Nah, this **** is not worth it.

All in, every time there is the lead up to a game on 670 they say what is all in. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA **** that, you know what's all in? Losing. That's all ****ing in.

LITTLE NELL
07-09-2011, 06:15 AM
4th place, here we come.

Soxfest
07-09-2011, 07:22 AM
Typical Sox 1 big inning and hide rest of the night!

wassagstdu
07-09-2011, 07:26 AM
As Hawk pointed out, failure to execute the DP in the fourth cost the Sox 5 runs and the game.

Jurr
07-09-2011, 07:52 AM
As Hawk pointed out, failure to execute the DP in the fourth cost the Sox 5 runs and the game.

As Hawk didn't point out, this team's failure to play like men and keep focusing/fighting cost the Sox the game, the season, and probably everybody's job associated with this mess.

TomBradley72
07-09-2011, 08:29 AM
Did any of the talking heads ask him about that after the game? That's a weird move even for Oz.

Consistent b.s. from Ozzie-

Play Mackowiak in CF
Play Dunn in the OF
Use Ohmann vs. righties

Ozzie is in an idiot. He did the same thing back in April- just forced the issue- putting a guy in a role that doesn't fit him.

hawkjt
07-09-2011, 09:45 AM
Ozzie needs to manage this series like it is the 7th game of the World Series...use every pitcher in the pen to maintain that early lead. Gavin clearly just did not have it last nite. Ohman vs righties is dangerous. Needed to blow out the bullpen with the allstar break on the way.

Must win these next two,Ozzie.

Viva Medias B's
07-09-2011, 09:53 AM
I am not really a Bear fan and dont follow the team all that close....but I dont recall Wannie or anyone associated with Bears ever coming out and praising the Pack and their "brand of football" time and time again while responding to questions about what the Bears could do to fix their shortcomings with "I dont know"

can you imagine the rage on meatball radio and papers in this town if that happened in that situation?

Wanny never praised the Packers like Ozzie does the Twins, but both have let the key opponent roll all over us.

russ99
07-09-2011, 10:08 AM
No, he put the team in position to lose. Ozzie kept Floyd in two batters too long. Then he weirdly brought in a lefty specialist to face a righty with two men on base.

Ozzie is an idiot.

Pure garbage.

I have a much bigger issue on what a bunch of quitters our hitters are, thinking they've won in the first inning than that pitching decision.

It's bullpen roles. Here's how it breaks down.

Closer: Santos
Setup: Thornton/Crane
Middle: Sale/Bruney

LONG: Ohman/Santiago

As Santiago had pitched 4 1/3 the night before, Ohman was the long man avaiable, and he has given up 1 run in his last 10 outings.

I'm sure some of you in retrospect (second guessing) would have preferred our closer pitch in the 3rd inning, or someone from our now 5-man rotation to come in as if this was the 7th game of the World Series, but that's not how it works.

And it's not Ozzie, every team works that way. Had we knocked Blackburn out in the 3rd (if we had any stones) the Twins long man would have come in too.

russ99
07-09-2011, 10:13 AM
Consistent b.s. from Ozzie-

Play Mackowiak in CF


Can we please put that to rest? It's come out in the wash, Ozzie didn't make a "BS decision".

Brian Anderson was not a major league quality hitter.

soltrain21
07-09-2011, 10:15 AM
Can we please put that to rest? It's come out in the wash, Ozzie didn't make a "BS decision".

Brian Anderson was not a major league quality hitter.

Neither is Juan Pierre and Alex Rios, but they seem to be playing everyday. Mark Kotsay wasn't a major league hitter, either. He played everyday.

tstrike2000
07-09-2011, 10:34 AM
I agree, I think it started right after Peavys' torn lat?

Maybe Gavin is still having sympathy pains for Jake.

tstrike2000
07-09-2011, 10:38 AM
Neither is Juan Pierre and Alex Rios, but they seem to be playing everyday. Mark Kotsay wasn't a major league hitter, either. He played everyday.

In Oz's defense, no that there's many, if we weeded out minor league caliber hitters, the Sox lineup would have about 5 spots open.

DickAllen72
07-09-2011, 11:03 AM
As Hawk didn't point out, this team's failure to play like men and keep focusing/fighting cost the Sox the game, the season, and probably everybody's job associated with this mess.
We can dream anyway.

DickAllen72
07-09-2011, 11:08 AM
Please, stop going to games. I have.
Same here. I feel sorry for all the people who spent their hard earned cash to go to the ballpark last night to watch that crap. Hopefully most were Twins fans.

If JR and KW don't seem to care, why should the fans? Stay home and watch for free if you really want to watch White Sox baseball until they do something about this garbage.

russ99
07-09-2011, 11:25 AM
Neither is Juan Pierre and Alex Rios, but they seem to be playing everyday. Mark Kotsay wasn't a major league hitter, either. He played everyday.

Each of those players have a track record where they were successful at the big league level.

But Anderson had no such track record, so stop treating him like a sacred cow that he would have magically figured it out had the Sox just trotted him out to CF every day those 3 years.

The mistake was Kenny selling low on Rowand with no viable replacement, not Ozzie, who gave Anderson three months of full-time playing time, before going with other players.

Claiming that Ozzie blundered with Machowiak/Erstad/Owens/Wise is flat out sour grapes that your boy couldn't cut it. And he couldn't cut it with 3 other teams either.

soltrain21
07-09-2011, 11:28 AM
Each of those players have a track record where they were successful at the big league level.

But Anderson had no such track record, so stop treating him like a sacred cow that he would have magically figured it out had the Sox just trotted him out to CF every day those 3 years.

The mistake was Kenny selling low on Rowand with no viable replacement, not Ozzie, who gave him half a season full-time mind you, before going with other players who may have contributed more.

The whole track record thing is bull****. Bad results are bad results. Ken Griffey Jr has a track record, too. Let's sign him up. Oh wait, we did and he played CF for us and sucked.

soltrain21
07-09-2011, 11:31 AM
And, for the record, Brian Anderson isn't my boy.

russ99
07-09-2011, 11:32 AM
The whole track record thing is bull****. Bad results are bad results. Ken Griffey Jr has a track record, too. Let's sign him up. Oh wait, we did and he played CF for us and sucked.

He was 38 years old, how does that even compare??

I have to wonder how many division titles we'd have right now if Jerry didn't lowball Torii Hunter.

balke
07-09-2011, 11:35 AM
I have to wonder how many division titles we'd have right now if Jerry didn't lowball Torii Hunter.

Wow 18 million a year is lowballing? GMAB. Spending money has taken the White Sox SOOOOO far this year. If only Jerry wasn't so cheap and spent as much as the Yankees - maybe we'd be saddled with 5 additional 10+ mil contracts for players who produce less than the average minor leaguer would.

Lip Man 1
07-09-2011, 11:41 AM
Palehose:

Floyd hasnít had a victory since June  1, with four losses and a 6.13 ERA in his last six starts. He hasnít won at home since May 19.

Just saying.

Lip

dickallen15
07-09-2011, 11:41 AM
KW has made some horrible moves in recent years. No one even mentions the $4 million he blew on Manny Ramirez for 2 RBI. Scouts said Rios didn't give a damn, yet he claimed him anyway. Dunn has been about as bad as anyone can be, but Ozzie is also at fault.

Dunn batting 3rd or 4th still? Dunn 4th, Rios 5th the other night. Its almost as if he's trying to lose. Lets Floyd face the lefty yesterday, he gets on so he brings in his LOOGY to face a righty and home run.

Its to the point where both KW and OG need to walk the plank.

Zakath
07-09-2011, 11:57 AM
Palehose:

Floyd hasnít had a victory since June  1, with four losses and a 6.13 ERA in his last six starts. He hasnít won at home since May 19.

Just saying.

Lip

We also lost the two starts where he ended up with no decision. His WHIP in those six games is 1.53. With his season WHIP only being 1.26, he was at 1.13 before this string.

JB98
07-09-2011, 02:49 PM
When the Sox were leading 5-1 after the first inning, I was still 100 percent sure they would lose. There was no question in my mind Floyd would blow it. None. And blow it he did.

chisoxfanatic
07-09-2011, 03:08 PM
When the Sox were leading 5-1 after the first inning, I was still 100 percent sure they would lose. There was no question in my mind Floyd would blow it. None. And blow it he did.
As was I. Minnesota did an excellent job in chipping away at us. And, in perfect Twin fashion, we get beaten by the no-namers.

SI1020
07-09-2011, 03:14 PM
I've never been compared to an optimist viewing the team with rose colored glasses, but after the first inning I honestly thought they'd win going away.

hawkjt
07-09-2011, 03:42 PM
Neither is Juan Pierre and Alex Rios, but they seem to be playing everyday. Mark Kotsay wasn't a major league hitter, either. He played everyday.


Pierre was hitting .400 his last 12 games going into last nite...he only got one hit last nite,so release him...we have so many who are hotter than that right now,right?

BainesHOF
07-09-2011, 05:59 PM
I have a much bigger issue on what a bunch of quitters our hitters are, thinking they've won in the first inning than that pitching decision.

It's bullpen roles. Here's how it breaks down.

Closer: Santos
Setup: Thornton/Crane
Middle: Sale/Bruney

LONG: Ohman/Santiago

As Santiago had pitched 4 1/3 the night before, Ohman was the long man avaiable, and he has given up 1 run in his last 10 outings.

I'm sure some of you in retrospect (second guessing) would have preferred our closer pitch in the 3rd inning, or someone from our now 5-man rotation to come in as if this was the 7th game of the World Series, but that's not how it works.

And it's not Ozzie, every team works that way. Had we knocked Blackburn out in the 3rd (if we had any stones) the Twins long man would have come in too.

I disagree. If nobody was on base, then you could have brought in Ohman. You don't bring him in the game with two men on base to face a righty. Ever.

This team has lots of problems. To point to some of them and ignore the damage that Ozzie is doing to this team on virtually a daily basis is ignorant of reality. That so many of our players are struggling makes the manager even more important.

Ozzie has really been exposed this season, not that the beat writers would know it. Most of the media covering the team has been as embarrassing as the team.

russ99
07-09-2011, 06:56 PM
Wow 18 million a year is lowballing? GMAB. Spending money has taken the White Sox SOOOOO far this year. If only Jerry wasn't so cheap and spent as much as the Yankees - maybe we'd be saddled with 5 additional 10+ mil contracts for players who produce less than the average minor leaguer would.

Had the Sox signed Torii, the Anderson vs. Wise, Griffey, Kotsay, Rios, Manny and Dunn mistakes would not have been made, the Sox could have gone farther in 2008 and would have had a better chance to win in 2009-this year and Kenny would have had more payroll and prospects to work with.

Maybe lowballed is too strong a word, but he surely wasn't going to offer what the Angels did, hence the problem.

balke
07-09-2011, 11:14 PM
Had the Sox signed Torii, the Anderson vs. Wise, Griffey, Kotsay, Rios, Manny and Dunn mistakes would not have been made, the Sox could have gone farther in 2008 and would have had a better chance to win in 2009-this year and Kenny would have had more payroll and prospects to work with.

Maybe lowballed is too strong a word, but he surely wasn't going to offer what the Angels did, hence the problem.

Nobody would've. It was a terrible contract - he's a RFer at this stage of his career and he's 35. 22 hrs .280 90RBI... that's pretty much exactly what the Sox got out of Rios last season. Don't really see where the "Lowball" hurt the Sox.

And why throw Dunn in there - he hits 40+ homeruns with 100+ RBI annually. He also costs way less than Hunter.

You wanted to spend 19-20 mil a year on a now 35 year old RFer with less than 25 homerun a year power? Ridiculous. His time has passed - you're not thinking of the same young in a contract year Torii Hunter splashed across ESPN.

Nellie_Fox
07-10-2011, 01:24 AM
Maybe lowballed is too strong a word, but he surely wasn't going to offer what the Angels did, hence the problem.We'll never know, will we, since Hunter didn't come back to the Sox with the LAAAA offer to see if they'd match/top it. He really didn't want to play in the same division as the Twins, so when the LAAAA made him a good offer, he signed immediately without coming back to the Sox. If you're going to drag up old crap, at least be historically accurate.

BringHomeDaBacon
07-10-2011, 10:34 AM
Nobody would've. It was a terrible contract - he's a RFer at this stage of his career and he's 35. 22 hrs .280 90RBI... that's pretty much exactly what the Sox got out of Rios last season. Don't really see where the "Lowball" hurt the Sox.

And why throw Dunn in there - he hits 40+ homeruns with 100+ RBI annually. He also costs way less than Hunter.

You wanted to spend 19-20 mil a year on a now 35 year old RFer with less than 25 homerun a year power? Ridiculous. His time has passed - you're not thinking of the same young in a contract year Torii Hunter splashed across ESPN.

You completely miss Russ' point. The team would have been so much better off the previous few years (08-10) that it would have made the way overpaid years of 11 and 12 palatable. He's still a very good RF with decent power and speed even if he is overpaid.

Additionally, paying Dunn $15mil per to DH when he's 33 and 34 is going to make Hunter's contract look like a good one by comparison.. Rios' age 32 and 33 years aren't going to look much better while he's playing RF with almost no power.

Hunter >>>>> Rios

balke
07-10-2011, 10:43 AM
You completely miss Russ' point. The team would have been so much better off the previous few years (08-10) that it would have made the way overpaid years of 11 and 12 palatable. He's still a very good RF with decent power and speed even if he is overpaid.

Additionally, paying Dunn $15mil per to DH when he's 33 and 34 is going to make Hunter's contract look like a good one by comparison.. Rios' age 32 and 33 years aren't going to look much better while he's playing RF with almost no power.

Hunter >>>>> Rios

You're assuming having Hunter would've changed anything about those seasons - which I doubt. And you're assuming Dunn will never get his stroke back - which I doubt.

The insinuation of JR being cheap in that situation is very bothersome to me. I almost wish JR was cheap so you guys could see what that's like. 4 years from now - drop back down to 70 mil or so and see what fans stick around.

dickallen15
07-10-2011, 10:59 AM
Had the Sox signed Torii, the Anderson vs. Wise, Griffey, Kotsay, Rios, Manny and Dunn mistakes would not have been made, the Sox could have gone farther in 2008 and would have had a better chance to win in 2009-this year and Kenny would have had more payroll and prospects to work with.

Maybe lowballed is too strong a word, but he surely wasn't going to offer what the Angels did, hence the problem.

You do have a point. Maybe the Swisher trade isn't made either. I don't think it was JR being cheap though. But you may be correct in not overpaying for Torii Hunter ultimately cost the White Sox a lot more money if not talent.

BringHomeDaBacon
07-10-2011, 11:06 AM
You're assuming having Hunter would've changed anything about those seasons - which I doubt. And you're assuming Dunn will never get his stroke back - which I doubt.

The insinuation of JR being cheap in that situation is very bothersome to me. I almost wish JR was cheap so you guys could see what that's like. 4 years from now - drop back down to 70 mil or so and see what fans stick around.

Yeah, I didn't care for that insinuation either. I'm not hung up on the non-signing but I do think that Hunter would have made a big difference simply because the alternatives turned out to be so incredibly poor. I just wanted to point out that as far as big contracts go, Hunter's has not been that bad and will probably look pretty good compared to the ones currently on the Sox roster.

As for Dunn, I agree that he will get his stroke back eventually but by the time he's 33/34, his decline will have taken over and I fear (as I did even before this season) that it will not be pretty. He's a career .249 (.246 counting this year) hitter that already looks out of shape. They gave him those extra years to secure his services for this year (and next) so in that regard the contract is already a huge bust.