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JermaineDye05
06-14-2011, 11:27 AM
I was noticing people call Scott Sizemore, "Ryan Raburn-Lite" which I didn't understand until I saw his career stats.

Though it is a small sample size, through 70 games, Sizemore has hit 4 career homeruns.

Three against the Sox through 5 games.

Sizemore has 8 RBI in those games, seven of which have come in the seventh inning or later and have either tied the game or given his team the lead.

Though he certainly doesn't compare to Raburn's ownage seen below.

http://i.imgur.com/hjcpG.jpg

What other players are out there that suck that own the Sox, aside from these two and Nick Punto

seventyseven
06-14-2011, 11:35 AM
This thread begins and ends with Nick ****ing Punto.

TheOldRoman
06-14-2011, 11:39 AM
Jack Wilson. He is only hitting .257 against us, but he has come up with come big hits against the Sox.

KMcMahon817
06-14-2011, 11:40 AM
I don't have time to look up his stats against the SOX, but I feel like Willie Bloomquist always kicked the **** out of us.

TheOldRoman
06-14-2011, 11:48 AM
Here's one from a few years ago with the Indians: Jason Michaels with career line against the Sox of .299/370. It seems like every team in the central has one at any given time.

Nelfox02
06-14-2011, 12:01 PM
Coco Crisp

Nelfox02
06-14-2011, 12:02 PM
Carlos Gomez

LITTLE NELL
06-14-2011, 12:10 PM
Yogi Berra, especially in the 8th and 9th inning.

hi im skot
06-14-2011, 12:11 PM
Yogi Berra, especially in the 8th and 9th inning.

I don't recall Yogi Berra ever sucking.

Nelfox02
06-14-2011, 12:15 PM
I don't have time to look up his stats against the SOX, but I feel like Willie Bloomquist always kicked the **** out of us.


wasnt he the guy that always killed Buehrle?

MtGrnwdSoxFan
06-14-2011, 12:24 PM
As a counterpoint to your (valid) point, Raburn also has way more at-bats against the Sox than any other team.

Willie Bloomquist, Nick ****ing Punto (thank the good Lord he's gone), Billy Butler (although he doesn't suck per se, it seems like the Sox are the only team he comes up with a key late-inning homer against), Cliff Pennington, Corey Patterson, and anyone on the Orioles.

soltrain21
06-14-2011, 12:25 PM
Raburn's stats against the Royals are even better.

ChiSoxNationPres
06-14-2011, 12:26 PM
John Buck has hit 16 of his career 97 homeruns against the Sox and has 38 RBIs which are both his best against any team.

cleanwsox
06-14-2011, 12:40 PM
Jason Kubel with 19 HR's of his 97 career home runs against the Sox.

kittle42
06-14-2011, 12:52 PM
Jason Kubel with 19 HR's of his 97 career home runs against the Sox.

Kubel's numbers against the Sox are crazy compared to his career lines.

aryzner
06-14-2011, 12:55 PM
Carlos Gomez
ugh

don't remind me

that guy DESTROYED us and I can't figure out how or why

he even hit for the cycle against the Sox

Boondock Saint
06-14-2011, 01:01 PM
Mark Teahen. He still kills us.

CLUBHOUSE KID
06-14-2011, 01:04 PM
Mark Teahen. He still kills us.

lol that's funny.

Well since people hate him here and think he sucks (I like him, however)...NICK SWISHER. He killed us with the A's and Yankees. 2009 he hit that 2-run HR off Matt Thornton (this is when I said he cannot be a closer) and then last hear had a 2 run homer after DJ got a lead-off walk.

Dick Allen
06-14-2011, 01:05 PM
Coco CrispI second this one. This past weekend only emphasized it. It took Lillibridge to keep it from getting even worse. Crisp has been on a lot of teams, but always seems to kill us no matter who he's playing for.

LITTLE NELL
06-14-2011, 01:21 PM
I don't recall Yogi Berra ever sucking.

He didn't, my fault for not paying attention to the thread title.

Chez
06-14-2011, 01:37 PM
Jamey Carroll and Mike Aviles

Irishsox1
06-14-2011, 02:10 PM
Before the 2005 season the Twins Joe Mays had a record of 8-3 against the White Sox with 7 no decisions. During that time Maggilo hit 7 for 39 against Mays, .179 average with 1 home run.

That guy would suck and then shut down the Sox.

rdwj
06-14-2011, 02:23 PM
Mark Teahen. He still kills us.

Was gonna say the same thing - beat me too it

Foulke You
06-14-2011, 02:34 PM
Marco Scutaro is a solid player but against us turns into a Hall of Famer. He is a career .376 hitter with a 1.038 OPS vs. the Sox :o:

Foulke You
06-14-2011, 02:37 PM
Raburn's stats against the Royals are even better.
How do you figure? Raburn has about 20 more RBIs against the Sox than he does against KC.

gobears1987
06-14-2011, 04:08 PM
Lew ****ing Ford

Heck just about any AAAA player who played for Minnesota since 2003.

ron_j_galt
06-14-2011, 04:27 PM
Punto actually isn't a good example. His OPS against the Sox is only 20 points over his career and his win probability added is negative. He's had clutch hits, but on the whole he's been terrible (229/292/320) in games decided by one or two runs. Brett Gardner (425/511/725), Maicer Izturis (327/350/439), Don Kelly (333/350/487), and Emil Brown (317/377/481) are good candidates.

*edit: I realize Emil Brown's not active, but talk about somebody who sucked. Brown was also 11-for-11 in SB against the Sox.

StillMissOzzie
06-14-2011, 04:28 PM
Mark Teahen. He still kills us.

LOL!

I was gonna say Joe Randa when he was with the Royals. It seemed sometimes like he was 2 for 3 before the game started, and he was always making great defensive plays too.

SMO
:gulp:

kevingrt
06-14-2011, 04:29 PM
Carlos Gomez, Mike Sweeney (decent but destroyed Sox), Willie Blomquist, Mike Aviles, anyone one the Royals.

There are others I cannot think of right now.

StillMissOzzie
06-14-2011, 04:30 PM
Marco Scutaro is a solid player but against us turns into a Hall of Famer. He is a career .376 hitter with a 1.038 OPS vs. the Sox :o:

Wasn't he the one who let one go through his legs in the 2005 ALDS or am I thinking about someone else? If I am right, he is forgiven for all prior heroics.

SMO
:gulp:

chaotic8512
06-14-2011, 04:35 PM
Wasn't he the one who let one go through his legs in the 2005 ALDS or am I thinking about someone else? If I am right, he is forgiven for all prior heroics.

SMO
:gulp:

Wasn't that Tony Graffanino?

MtGrnwdSoxFan
06-14-2011, 05:38 PM
Wasn't he the one who let one go through his legs in the 2005 ALDS or am I thinking about someone else? If I am right, he is forgiven for all prior heroics.

SMO
:gulp:

Tony Graffanino. (AKA Gaffe-nino)

JB98
06-14-2011, 05:42 PM
Yuniesky Betancourt. Doesn't hit for high average against the Sox, but every time he makes contact it leaves the yard.

Has 8 of his 50 career HRs against the Sox, more than any other team. 30 career RBIs. That's second-most. He has 31 RBIs vs. Oakland.

Foulke You
06-14-2011, 05:45 PM
Yuniesky Betancourt. Doesn't hit for high average against the Sox, but every time he makes contact it leaves the yard.

Has 8 of his 50 career HRs against the Sox, more than any other team. 30 career RBIs. That's second-most. He has 31 RBIs vs. Oakland.
The most painful one being Betancourt's grand slam off of Santos last August on an 0-2 pitch...ugh.

Zakath
06-14-2011, 07:11 PM
OK, not a guy who totally sucks, but Nick Markakis of the Orioles hits 40 points higher against us than any other team in the AL.

I'd swear all of the guys mentioned are illegitimate children of Mark Grudzielanek.

roylestillman
06-14-2011, 07:52 PM
Lew ****ing Ford

Heck just about any AAAA player who played for Minnesota since 2003.

I used to cringe every time Ford came up to the plate.

I think Gomez just seemed like a Sox killer because we had to listen to Hawk canonize the guy every time he appeared on camera.

RadioheadRocks
06-14-2011, 07:57 PM
And then there's Tito Landrum... :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

Malgar 12
06-14-2011, 10:08 PM
And then there's Tito Landrum... :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

Ouch...do you think Astros fans say the same thing about Geoff Blum?

ChiSoxGirl
06-14-2011, 10:37 PM
This thread begins and ends with Nick ****ing Punto.

The bitch.

Lew ****ing Ford

Heck just about any AAAA player who played for Minnesota since 2003.

Yep. Every no-name schmuck whose put on a Twins uniform in the last eight or nine years. Carlos Gomez, Lew Ford, Jason Kubel, Danny Valencia.... Those dudes would be selling insurance somewhere if it wasn't for White Sox pitching.

Brian26
06-14-2011, 10:48 PM
Denny Hocking, Lee Stevens and Disco Dan Ford.

PalehosePlanet
06-14-2011, 11:10 PM
Jaques Jones and Ronnie Belliard weren't exactly bad players, but we certainly did our best to enhance their power numbers. Jones in particular hit 20 of his 165 career HR's and slugged .500 against us.

And of course the twinkies always have scrub backup catchers who kill us: Jose Morales, who was 12-20 lifetime versus the Sox, and, of course, who could forget the immortal Mike Redmond?

WLL1855
06-14-2011, 11:22 PM
Before the 2005 season the Twins Joe Mays had a record of 8-3 against the White Sox with 7 no decisions. During that time Maggilo hit 7 for 39 against Mays, .179 average with 1 home run.

That guy would suck and then shut down the Sox.

This is the truth. I think it was the 2000 season when he went 7-15 with well over a 5 ERA that he got over half his wins that year against the Sox. I absolutely hated this schmuck.

samurai_sox
06-14-2011, 11:41 PM
Kurt Suzuki, I believe he has hit 2 walk off home runs against the Sox in his career.

StillMissOzzie
06-14-2011, 11:51 PM
Wasn't that Tony Graffanino?

Tony Graffanino. (AKA Gaffe-nino)

All of those Italians look alike... :redface: Color me embarrassed!

Denny Hocking, Lee Stevens and Disco Dan Ford.

I remember Lee Stevens hit a HR off of Bobby Thigpen that perhaps still has not landed.

SMO
:gulp:

RadioheadRocks
06-15-2011, 12:19 AM
I remember Lee Stevens hit a HR off of Bobby Thigpen that perhaps still has not landed.




Yikes, you HAD to remind me about that!

TommyGavinFloyd
06-15-2011, 12:41 AM
The numbers may not even back this up but I have seen Kelly Shoppach hit well against us too many times for my liking.

Foulke You
06-15-2011, 01:09 AM
The numbers may not even back this up but I have seen Kelly Shoppach hit well against us too many times for my liking.
When I saw this thread, Shoppach came to mind as a scrub player who hits us well but the raw numbers don't back it up. However, I have many memories of Shoppach coming up with huge hits/HRs to hurt the Sox in a big way so it is not just you. He must have made those stats count.

Jerko
06-15-2011, 08:25 AM
Frank Catawhatever and Rusty Grier come to mind

asindc
06-15-2011, 08:27 AM
Frank Catawhatever and Rusty Grier come to mind

Rusty Grier did not suck.

eriqjaffe
06-15-2011, 08:44 AM
When I saw this thread, Shoppach came to mind as a scrub player who hits us well but the raw numbers don't back it up. However, I have many memories of Shoppach coming up with huge hits/HRs to hurt the Sox in a big way so it is not just you. He must have made those stats count.I was at a game back in '09 where Shoppach hit two homers off of Buehrle, so I know how that feels.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200908070.shtml

The best thing (pretty much the only good thing) about that game was that the Sox tied an AL record by turning 6 double plays.

VenturaFan23
06-15-2011, 08:54 AM
Jack Cust when he was with the A's comes to my mind too.

asindc
06-15-2011, 10:04 AM
Jack Cust when he was with the A's comes to my mind too.

I remember Cust being fed a room-service fastball by Dotel on an 0-2 count late in the 2008 season. HR, A's take late lead over Sox and go on to win game. I remember being so pissed at Dotel for that stupid pitch, thinking at the time that it would cost us down the road.:mad: It did, but fortunately not as much as it could have.

SOXSINCE'70
06-15-2011, 10:47 AM
Jason Kubel with 19 HR's of his 97 career home runs against the Sox.

Hot dog!! We have a weiner!! :D:

Nothing frightens this Sox fan more than seeing this modern day
"Baby Ruth" come to the plate against the Sox with a game on the line.
(Sadly, our pitchers can make Kubel look like Babe Ruth).:(:

JermaineDye05
06-15-2011, 11:26 AM
http://i.imgur.com/3RA1i.jpg

I despised this guy.

joshua1024
06-16-2011, 08:43 AM
I'll say it again . . .
The Entire Twins. :angry:

JC456
06-16-2011, 11:31 AM
Willingham!

JC456
06-16-2011, 11:32 AM
http://i.imgur.com/3RA1i.jpg

I despised this guy.
He looks like Dexter!

JC456
06-16-2011, 11:39 AM
Mike Sweeney before he left the game.
Mark Teahen before he got to the Sox.
Billy Butler another KC guy. the list goes on
Nick Swisher and he sucked with us.

Let's face it, as much as everyone brags about Cooper, our pitching staff sucks the biggest set of dogs in the league bar none! The organization is a flippin laughing stock to all of the national media types. There is no respect because of this stature.

Especially the Twins and KC. you can watch the players faces as they lick their chops to bat against our pitching staff. It's like grab a bat and build up those averages.

KMcMahon817
06-16-2011, 11:46 AM
Mike Sweeney before he left the game.
Mark Teahen before he got to the Sox.
Billy Butler another KC guy. the list goes on
Nick Swisher and he sucked with us.

Let's face it, as much as everyone brags about Cooper, our pitching staff sucks the biggest set of dogs in the league bar none! The organization is a flippin laughing stock to all of the national media types. There is no respect because of this stature.

Especially the Twins and KC. you can watch the players faces as they lick their chops to bat against our pitching staff. It's like grab a bat and build up those averages.

Hah, a little frustrated are we?

doublem23
06-16-2011, 11:48 AM
Let's face it, as much as everyone brags about Cooper, our pitching staff sucks the biggest set of dogs in the league bar none! The organization is a flippin laughing stock to all of the national media types. There is no respect because of this stature.

Especially the Twins and KC. you can watch the players faces as they lick their chops to bat against our pitching staff. It's like grab a bat and build up those averages.

:rolling:

Nice use of selective stat-picking. What about Miguel Cabrera slugging over 150 points under his lifetime SLG against the Sox? A-Rod slugs over 100 points under his career norm against the Sox. I could go on.

Cooper's not just well-respected by Sox fan. I think most baseball people would easily rate him as one of the best pitching coaches in baseball. But, I know, the Sox don't throw perfect games every day they pitch, so he much be useless.

TheOldRoman
06-16-2011, 12:16 PM
:rolling:

Nice use of selective stat-picking. What about Miguel Cabrera slugging over 150 points under his lifetime SLG against the Sox? A-Rod slugs over 100 points under his career norm against the Sox. I could go on.

Cooper's not just well-respected by Sox fan. I think most baseball people would easily rate him as one of the best pitching coaches in baseball. But, I know, the Sox don't throw perfect games every day they pitch, so he much be useless.Yep. Cooper has had more than his fair share of reclamation success stories. He is no miracle worker, but he is a fine pitching coach. Paraphrasing what JB98 said before, if Cooper were fired, he would be picked up by another team within days. If Greg Walker were to be fired, his next job would be at Pep Boys.

tstrike2000
06-16-2011, 12:23 PM
Bobby Higginson.

shingo10
06-16-2011, 01:08 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if other teams talked about some of the Sox players in this way?

Sadly, I don't see that happening.

voodoochile
06-16-2011, 01:15 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if other teams talked about some of the Sox players in this way?

Sadly, I don't see that happening.

That's funny because over the course of the last few years I've been informed that every single player on the Sox sucks (at least once apiece) and yet some of them do dominate other teams...

JC456
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
Yep. Cooper has had more than his fair share of reclamation success stories. He is no miracle worker, but he is a fine pitching coach. Paraphrasing what JB98 said before, if Cooper were fired, he would be picked up by another team within days. If Greg Walker were to be fired, his next job would be at Pep Boys.

Name the pitchers he reclamated? Pitchers have come in here and end up back where they started. Danks 2 and 7 Floyd is actually not as bad as last year, but he still has that one inning, like last night. Jenks, He wore out his welcome he got so bad. Thorton is right behind him. What about Sales where has he been this year. How about Crain? Crain was much better in Minnesota last year. Peavy well we know him.

Mark Buehrle is about it.

JC456
06-16-2011, 01:38 PM
This pitching staff doesn't know how to throw strikes consistently. That is pitching coach. And it is every one of the pitchers on this staff. It has been this way for 10 years except 05.

JB98
06-16-2011, 01:39 PM
This pitching staff doesn't know how to throw strikes consistently. That is pitching coach. And it is every one of the pitchers on this staff. It has been this way for 10 years except 05.

Don't watch the Sox much, huh?

JC456
06-16-2011, 02:06 PM
Don't watch the Sox much, huh?
almost every game!

I tape it and rewatch it. Maybe you should watch a few.

shingo10
06-16-2011, 03:42 PM
That's funny because over the course of the last few years I've been informed that every single player on the Sox sucks (at least once apiece) and yet some of them do dominate other teams...


Well I wish I could think of some of those instances and be comforted by the fact that Sox players occasionally own other teams but I am drawing a blank. I guess Alexi's series against Boston this year could maybe qualify.

PalehosePlanet
06-16-2011, 04:13 PM
Mike Sweeney before he left the game.
Mark Teahen before he got to the Sox.
Billy Butler another KC guy. the list goes on
Nick Swisher and he sucked with us.

Let's face it, as much as everyone brags about Cooper, our pitching staff sucks the biggest set of dogs in the league bar none! The organization is a flippin laughing stock to all of the national media types. There is no respect because of this stature.

Especially the Twins and KC. you can watch the players faces as they lick their chops to bat against our pitching staff. It's like grab a bat and build up those averages.

WOW!!! This is definitely the worst thing I've ever read on WSI; least accurate to be sure.

Brian26
06-16-2011, 09:23 PM
What about Sales where has he been this year.

Soupy Sales in on the Sox?

GoSox2K3
06-17-2011, 08:13 AM
Soupy Sales in on the Sox?

Hey, didn't you hear? He watches every game and then re-watches it. Therefore he's right about the pitcher's name being Sales. Maybe you should watch a few games.:rolleyes:

doublem23
06-17-2011, 08:17 AM
Name the pitchers he reclamated? Pitchers have come in here and end up back where they started. Danks 2 and 7 Floyd is actually not as bad as last year, but he still has that one inning, like last night. Jenks, He wore out his welcome he got so bad. Thorton is right behind him. What about Sales where has he been this year. How about Crain? Crain was much better in Minnesota last year. Peavy well we know him.

Mark Buehrle is about it.

This barely coherent babbling is made all the funnier by you're citation of Danks' W-L record, like it matters, but all the better that you've GOT THE NUMBERS WRONG.

Maybe sit the next couple plays out, Champ.

SephClone89
06-17-2011, 09:50 AM
Name the pitchers he reclamated?

Heh.

Pitchers have come in here and end up back where they started. Danks 2 and 7 Floyd is actually not as bad as last year, but he still has that one inning, like last night. Jenks, He wore out his welcome he got so bad. Thorton is right behind him. What about Sales where has he been this year. How about Crain? Crain was much better in Minnesota last year. Peavy well we know him.

Mark Buehrle is about it.

While all of your points are wrong (citing win-loss record, making baseless statements without facts, for some reason acting like Sale, Crain and Peavy are reclemation projects...)...how was Buehrle a reclamation project?

Also, you neglect to mention Philip Humber.

ode to veeck
06-17-2011, 10:09 AM
can we add the twinkies as a team that sucks that owns the Sox

gobears1987
08-31-2011, 07:29 AM
We had this thread about 3 or 4 years ago, but I think we can have it again. Who are/were some of the biggest Sox killers that you remember?

For the purposes of this thread, we should classify a Sox killer as someone who is average or worse against other teams but owns the Sox. I remember last time around people were listing guys like Johan Santana, Travis Hafner (he was still healthy and good), etc. They are not Sox killers as they kill (or killed) everyone else too. I'm talking about guys like Mark Teahen, Lew Ford, Nick Punto, Matt Stairs, etc.

What is your list of dread?

asindc
08-31-2011, 08:05 AM
Cy Chen.

doublem23
08-31-2011, 08:15 AM
We had this thread about 3 or 4 years ago, but I think we can have it again.

Try 2 months

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=128561

asindc
08-31-2011, 08:19 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if other teams talked about some of the Sox players in this way?

Sadly, I don't see that happening.

I guarantee you that it does.

gobears1987
08-31-2011, 08:27 AM
I guarantee you that it does.

On a Cubs board, they probably would be talking about Manos and Caballo. Both were well known Cub killers. Konerko of course kills everyone and AJ annoys the crap out of the 29 other clubs. That's why we love him.

DumpJerry
08-31-2011, 08:45 AM
Kubel.

As of today, he has 11 home runs this season, 15 of them against us. Yeah, you read that correctly.

doublem23
08-31-2011, 08:46 AM
On a Cubs board, they probably would be talking about Manos and Caballo. Both were well known Cub killers. Konerko of course kills everyone and AJ annoys the crap out of the 29 other clubs. That's why we love him.

On Cubs' boards, they talk about this guy

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0MAh0_Oa3iU/TPh0iOg5YoI/AAAAAAAAEP8/yh-eMLNq8K8/s1600/Adam+Dunn+2.jpg

Career stats at Wrigley - .270/.401/.631... Yes that is an OPS of 1.031. And this is in 70 games, 300+ PA.

MeteorsSox4367
08-31-2011, 08:55 AM
I'd be curious to see what Brandon Inge has done against the Sox in his career.

oldgrouch
08-31-2011, 06:13 PM
Jason Kubel with 19 HR's of his 97 career home runs against the Sox.

Make that 21 now ...