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voodoochile
06-10-2011, 12:56 PM
Yes, for the first time ever the words "Wrigley" and "dump" are in the top story headline on the Trib's website...

I didn't read the article but...:o:

and

:rolling:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-gammons-wrigley-dump-tying-ricketts-hands-20110610,0,701998.story

Edit: Hey flubbie fans... Suckers!

miker
06-10-2011, 01:25 PM
The bloom has come off the rose...

MARTINMVP
06-10-2011, 01:52 PM
I heard Gammons utter the "dump" word about Wrigley earlier this morning on The Score.

I at first kind of found myself thinking "wow, he actually said it!" I didn't get the sense it was anything he planned on saying or meant it to be vile. He just kind of said it in the heat of the moment when talking about Rickett's overall financial woes at the moment.

MARTINMVP
06-10-2011, 01:54 PM
And for the record, nothing that Gammons said on The Score today, or that was written in the Trib today is anything new.

All of that stuff has been discussed extensively, whether it was here at WSI, or BleedCubbieBlue or elsewhere.

That story and headline, I think, were put together more so for the sake of grabbing attention to the Trib website via Twitter, Facebook, etc.

As a matter of fact, the most intelligent discussion about Wrigley renovations ideas and other "what if" scenarios came from this site.

PatK
06-10-2011, 01:57 PM
What's funny is he's still saying the Cubs are a cash cow.

They aren't with their attendance this year.

DumpJerry
06-10-2011, 02:09 PM
I heard Gammons utter the "dump" word about Wrigley earlier this morning on The Score.

I at first kind of found myself thinking "wow, he actually said it!" I didn't get the sense it was anything he planned on saying or meant it to be vile. He just kind of said it in the heat of the moment when talking about Rickett's overall financial woes at the moment.
He said it last week, too. He's pissed the Red Sox did not sweep the Cubbies at Fenway this year and then we rolled into town.......

asindc
06-10-2011, 02:18 PM
I think Gammons is trying to use his stature to bring a stark realization to Cub fans, or more to the point, get them to understand that everyone in baseball can see what needs to be done. Anyone who is in the baseball business understands that part of the reason the stadium issue has not been addressed is that the Tribune Company knew that the fanbase would not demand it until a certain breaking point had been reached, by which time they had planned to have already sold it. That's exactly what has played out, and now even casual Cub fans (and the Ricketts themselves) are finally realizing what the Tribune Company actually sold to the Ricketts.

FielderJones
06-10-2011, 02:23 PM
What's funny is he's still saying the Cubs are a cash cow.

They aren't with their attendance this year.

That picture of empty seats that accompanies the online article would never have been posted during the time that the Tribune was the house organ of the Cubs.

tebman
06-10-2011, 02:38 PM
I think Gammons is trying to use his stature to bring a stark realization to Cub fans, or more to the point, get them to understand that everyone in baseball can see what needs to be done. Anyone who is in the baseball business understands that part of the reason the stadium issue has not been addressed is that the Tribune Company knew that the fanbase would not demand it until a certain breaking point had been reached, by which time they had planned to have already sold it. That's exactly what has played out, and now even casual Cub fans (and the Ricketts themselves) are finally realizing what the Tribune Company actually sold to the Ricketts.

:yup:

Like I've said before, I don't know what Ricketts was thinking about. $800+ million for the franchise and no apparent budget to deal with a crumbling 100 year-old building. Gammons is simply telling the truth.

The Tribune milked it as long as possible and sold it at a huge premium. The irony of all this is that the huge selling price hardly put a dent in the bankrupt company's cavern of debt.

MLB will see to it that the Cubs survive, but it's going to be an even bumpier ride for several years.

tstrike2000
06-10-2011, 04:31 PM
That picture of empty seats that accompanies the online article would never have been posted during the time that the Tribune was the house organ of the Cubs.

And to actually view the condition of those empty seats really reveals the dump that Gammons is talking about.

Fenway
06-10-2011, 05:11 PM
When the Red Sox came to Wrigley in 2005 he said on the air

Wrigley is a dump - it smells worse than Yankee Stadium

Anybody who has not been at Fenway in 10 years would be amazed...

Even Daver (maybe):tongue:

LITTLE NELL
06-10-2011, 05:29 PM
When the Red Sox came to Wrigley in 2005 he said on the air

Wrigley is a dump - it smells worse than Yankee Stadium

Anybody who has not been at Fenway in 10 years would be amazed...

Even Daver (maybe):tongue:

Was there in 1978, it now looks like a giant billboard.

Fenway
06-10-2011, 05:30 PM
Was there in 1978, it now looks like a giant billboard.

BUT they put the money from the billboards into the park - no city/state help

kittle42
06-10-2011, 05:36 PM
Was there in 1978, it now looks like a giant billboard.

Which REALLY makes it retro. Seriously!

WSox597
06-10-2011, 05:53 PM
One of the comments below the Trib article was suggesting the Cubs move to central Illinois.

I think Anchorage would be better. LOL

DumpJerry
06-10-2011, 06:17 PM
One of the comments below the Trib article was suggesting the Cubs move to central Illinois.

I think Anchorage would be better. LOL
India is the furthest point on the planet from Chicago where there is a sufficient population base to support a MLB team.

Fenway
06-10-2011, 06:22 PM
Which REALLY makes it retro. Seriously!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/2559119570_010a2b5a6f.jpg

BleacherBandit
06-10-2011, 06:50 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/2559119570_010a2b5a6f.jpg

Thank you. Anybody who complains about the commercialization of sports doesn't remember it's always been this way.

DSpivack
06-10-2011, 06:54 PM
India is the furthest point on the planet from Chicago where there is a sufficient population base to support a MLB team.

I'm thinking Sydney. Or Buenos Aires.

Fenway
06-10-2011, 06:59 PM
from 1975

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BCd9uWqkFhc/TVqpv9N8StI/AAAAAAAABmk/p8tHSV2lqYA/s1600/wrigleyfield1975_medium.jpg

DSpivack
06-10-2011, 07:05 PM
from 1975

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BCd9uWqkFhc/TVqpv9N8StI/AAAAAAAABmk/p8tHSV2lqYA/s1600/wrigleyfield1975_medium.jpg

The Cubs/WGN are currently running some promotion for the 25th anniversary of Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Every time I see that, I wonder, are they going to have a day commemorating the film's scenes at Wrigley, and on that day close the upper deck?

doublem23
06-10-2011, 07:14 PM
from 1975

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BCd9uWqkFhc/TVqpv9N8StI/AAAAAAAABmk/p8tHSV2lqYA/s1600/wrigleyfield1975_medium.jpg

Looked liked last month.

Anyways, here's the Bristolized rebuttal: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6635057/wrigley-wrigley-else-is

Hitmen77
06-10-2011, 07:39 PM
Was there in 1978, it now looks like a giant billboard.

In those old home movies from "When It Was a Game", they showed Fenway with ads ON the green monster back in what must have been the 30s or 40s.

EDIT: Fenway beat me to it.

LITTLE NELL
06-10-2011, 07:51 PM
In those old home movies from "When It Was a Game", they showed Fenway with ads ON the green monster back in what must have been the 30s or 40s.

EDIT: Fenway beat me to it.


There was a day that the only sign in the place was the 'Jimmy Fund' sign.

SI1020
06-10-2011, 07:59 PM
Maybe somebody can find a photo of the Chesterfield sign at Comiskey.

Lip Man 1
06-10-2011, 08:37 PM
SI:

Here you go:

http://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/images/comiskey03.jpg

And Gammons isn't the first person to call it a dump. Bill Melton used those exact words in an article in SI in 2004 and a few years ago one of the Astros called it that.

Lip

MeteorsSox4367
06-10-2011, 09:16 PM
If you look on the homepage for WGN Radio, it shows the empty bleachers following a game and it's obvious that the maintenance staff hasn't been there yet.

Lots of garbage and empty beer cups. I'm sure that's the image they want to portray.

LITTLE NELL
06-10-2011, 09:19 PM
Maybe somebody can find a photo of the Chesterfield sign at Comiskey.

One of my favorite photos with Pierce warming up, Lollar catching, Williams waiting to hit and as Bob Elson used to say; ''The big board in center field''.




http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktpbzsBlpy1qzniimo1_500.jpg (http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=batting+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbatting%2Bsource:life%26ndsp%3D20%26h l%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D40&imgurl=ed3e60162ab08f4b).

DSpivack
06-10-2011, 10:08 PM
Ultimate Cub apologist Dave Kaplan's response? The farm system is to blame, the stadium is fine.

http://www.csnchicago.com/06/08/11/Kaplan-Winds-of-change-to-blow-through-W/kapman_article.html?blockID=533446

Bump34
06-10-2011, 10:30 PM
Wrigley Field = Dump
Fenway Park = Dump II

Daver
06-10-2011, 10:39 PM
When the Red Sox came to Wrigley in 2005 he said on the air

Wrigley is a dump - it smells worse than Yankee Stadium

Anybody who has not been at Fenway in 10 years would be amazed...

Even Daver (maybe):tongue:

Just keep polishing that turd, it doesn't change the fact it will never shine.

sunofgold
06-10-2011, 11:08 PM
He calls out Wrigley every year that we got there for our annual visit. He says that it has big rats.

kittle42
06-10-2011, 11:20 PM
He calls out Wrigley every year that we got there for our annual visit. He says that it has big rats.

What a story, Mark.

Hitmen77
06-12-2011, 07:38 PM
Ozzie weighs in:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-ozzie-skeptical-about-wrigley-rehab-20110612,0,2443937.story

sunofgold
06-12-2011, 07:46 PM
Cannot argue with him on this one! I wish Wrigley was a nicer place to go to and root for the visiting team. However, right now it isn't. It only has historical significance. However, you can build and new stadium and start writing a new history. lol!

Do I miss old Comiskey Park? No. Had some great memories there but now I have some great memories at US Cellular and hopefully will have more good times there.

Dan H
06-14-2011, 02:04 PM
Of course Wrigley has plenty of history. But how many people can say they sat in the place and witnessed a World Series? At the very least that person would have to be in his mid-70's. The rest are either dead or probably don't have a solid memory of that year much less that series.

FielderJones
06-14-2011, 03:43 PM
Do I miss old Comiskey Park? No. Had some great memories there but now I have some great memories at US Cellular and hopefully will have more good times there.

I spent the summer of 1977 at Comiskey -- every weekend the Sox were in town my buds and I would usually catch the whole series. Those are some great memories. But check out Park Life (http://whitesoxinteractive.com/Columnists/Elliott/ParkLife1977.htm). One thing black and white film does well is show texture. You really get a feel for the grittiness, the crumbling, the run-down feeling of the park 13 years before it was torn down.

Now that US Cellular is what it is, with all the renovations, and a World Series winner to boot, I'm glad we have a newer park and none of the maintenance headaches that accompany a century-old structure.