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DirtySox
06-06-2011, 12:20 PM
The draft is spread out over 3 days. Tonight is the 1st and Supplemental round, which will be televised on MLB Network and streamed at MLB.com at 7 PM ET. Rounds 2-30 are scheduled for Tuesday the 7th at noon ET, and rounds 31-50 will take place at the same time on Wednesday the 8th.

The White Sox pick once tonight, at number 47. Almost all reports have confidently said to expect college pitching, and plenty of it.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 12:51 PM
BA's final mock draft is up. Most all sources are noting that Cole will be the number 1 pick.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2011/06/final-mock-draft/

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 01:34 PM
Goldstein's final mock draft is up. It also notes a prediction for teams that don't have a 1st round selection.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14156

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 02:30 PM
Guess who's draft eligible still? Ozney Guillen. So is Doug Laumann's son.

Family Affair for Sox in Amateur Draft (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-another-family-affair-for-sox-in-amateur-draft-20110606,0,1504266.story)

(http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-another-family-affair-for-sox-in-amateur-draft-20110606,0,1504266.story)

doublem23
06-06-2011, 03:04 PM
Sources "confirm" Pirates taking Cole #1

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110606&content_id=20105380&vkey=draftcentral2010

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 03:18 PM
Sources "confirm" Pirates taking Cole #1

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110606&content_id=20105380&vkey=draftcentral2010

No surprise. He's had somewhat of a down year, but the stuff is fantastic and the ceiling is phenomenal. Rendon is almost assured to go number 2. Mariners have been all over him the entire year despite the injury issues. Number 3 and on becomes murky. Arizona has been in love with Hultzen most of the year, but Bauer is now in the mix. Should be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:23 PM
Oops. Was posting in the wrong thread.

Rendon sliding big time.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:25 PM
Love Bundy to the Orioles. So polished for a high school pitcher.

Great pick.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:26 PM
Does KC pop Rendon? They really wanted pitching.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:26 PM
Law is predicting Rendon slides to Washington. Callis guessed the Cubs.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:29 PM
KC has lots of options. The pitching they wanted isn't there. Rendon, Starling, or Lindor are all feasible.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:31 PM
Nice.

Bubba has such ridiculous tools. Ridiculous ceiling, and he's local product. Good for him/them.

SoxSpeed22
06-06-2011, 07:31 PM
Another stud for KC. Starling can really shine there.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:33 PM
Rendon will be popped by Washington imo.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:34 PM
Another stud for KC. Starling can really shine there.

If his tools pan into skills, the sky is the limit. Still a big risk though.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:37 PM
Such a steal for the Nats.


jimcallisBA Jim Callis
Yep. @socal_sullins: Best 3 consecutive first round picks ever: Strasburg, Harper & now Rendon for the #Nationals. #Winning
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DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:39 PM
Has to be Archie Bradley or Lindor next to AZ.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:41 PM
I wonder if the Cubs will shock the world again this year with another balls crazy selection. Their dream pick was Bubba.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:43 PM
Another great pick. Bradley & Bauer? Yes please.

Bradley can pitch into triple digits.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:44 PM
Not signing Loux has worked out damn fine for the D-Backs. Bradley > Loux.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 07:45 PM
Bradley looks like a real good pitching prospect. They're building a nice, young rotation to come.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 07:47 PM
Apparently Bradley is looking for $20 million...should be an interesting negotiation.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:47 PM
The top tier of talent is pretty much gone now. Plenty of fine options though. I wonder if Cleveland is still on Sonny. Maybe Jungmann. They wanted a college pitcher.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 07:48 PM
Lindor to Cleveland - very young.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:49 PM
Lindor was the best player available at least in my mind. Solid pick.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:50 PM
Guessing Springer or Mahtook here. Cubs were in on toolsy bats.

Tim Wilken isn't afraid to go away from convention though.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:53 PM
jimcallisBA Jim Callis
#Cubs taking Baez here. Best bat speed in draft. Typical high-upside Tim Wilken pick. #mlbdraft
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EMachine10
06-06-2011, 07:54 PM
Baez to Cubs.

Put up some crazy numbers this year as a HS SS

SoxSpeed22
06-06-2011, 07:54 PM
...
I wonder what this says about Vitters.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:55 PM
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I wonder what this says about Vitters.

Vitters plays 3rd. A mediocre one at that.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 07:57 PM
...
I wonder what this says about Vitters.
That will work its way out. They could move him to 1st, or move Baez/Castro to 2B if need be. Still too early to tell.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 07:57 PM
Spangenberg to Padres per Callis

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:58 PM
Supposedly Spangenberg to SD. Probably one of the best hitters in the class. Major helium.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 07:59 PM
That will work its way out. They could move him to 1st, or move Baez/Castro to 2B if need be. Still too early to tell.

Indeed. That is if Vitters ever pans out. Still won't take a walk to save his life. I'm not expecting much from him.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 08:00 PM
Time to see if the Reed rumors were legit. I don't think they were.

I'll guess Jungmann.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:01 PM
Got a Heyman RT from CJ Nitkowski:
Always fun to watch MLB draft, or as I recall it "Trick the Scouting Director Day." Nomar, Konerko, Varitek, J. Wright all picked after me.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:04 PM
Looks like Springer is the pick.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 08:04 PM
Springer to Astros. Very toolsy OF. Might be kind of expensive too.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:05 PM
Springer reminds me a bit of Sizemore

And Gammons just said that....:cool:

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 08:08 PM
Brewers are a shot in the dark. They need everything and might have a worse farm system then us.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:11 PM
Jungmann for the Brewers

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 08:11 PM
Mets will take Nimmo. Finally drafting for upside and actually spending on it. Nimmo won't be cheap. Good for the Mets.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:22 PM
More pitching for Florida.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 08:22 PM
One thing is for sure, the Dodgers will be picking someone that will sign for something close to slot.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 08:28 PM
I like Jed Bradley. He's dropped some this year though.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:29 PM
Another pitcher to the Brew Crew; might not be too far off.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 08:31 PM
Another pitcher to the Brew Crew; might not be too far off.

2 solid college arms for a system that desperately needs it. I approve.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:33 PM
Chris Reed to LAD; BA had him at 60.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 08:34 PM
Despite him having helium, Reed is still a pretty big overdraft. Much has to do with his signability and the Dodgers situation.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 08:38 PM
Earlier than I expected for Cron. He can't do much, but dude can flat out hit.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:40 PM
C.J. Cron to Angels. I like that pick.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:40 PM
Earlier than I expected for Cron. He can't do much, but dude can flat out hit.
Exactly. He'll get paid to hit.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 08:44 PM
Good value for the A's. Gray fell far.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 08:48 PM
Another good value pick with Barnes falling to Boston. They will have a chance to pick up the elite talent like Bell/Swihart later. Then I will be sick.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:52 PM
A couple nice picks by the A's and Red Sox. I too am surprised Gray was there.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:56 PM
Rockies - Tyler Anderson from Oregon. Has an interesting leg kick towards the end of his wind up delivery.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 08:58 PM
Springer pulled from his game after possibly pulling up lame on the basepath.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 09:02 PM
Love Beede. They need to sign him away from Vandy though.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 09:13 PM
Two Boras clients for the Nats.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 09:14 PM
Take Josh Bell Tampa!

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 09:17 PM
Take Josh Bell Tampa!
Might as well use one of those picks on him.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 09:18 PM
Guerreri is fantastic value at 24. Number 10 on BA's board.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 09:28 PM
Padres grab Tyson Ross's brother

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 09:29 PM
Swihart. **** you Boston.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 09:30 PM
Swihart. **** you Boston.
#17 overall on BA ranks

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 09:36 PM
Stepheson threw back to back no-hitters...

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 09:53 PM
Twins grab UNC SS Levi Michael. 22 overall by BA.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 09:57 PM
jimcallisBA Jim Callis
Did not think Joe Panik would go ahead of Levi Michael. Michael has been banged up, so #Twins get a bargain at 30. #mlbdraft #Giants
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EMachine10
06-06-2011, 09:57 PM
jimcallisBA Jim Callis
Did not think Joe Panik would go ahead of Levi Michael. Michael has been banged up, so #Twins get a bargain at 30. #mlbdraft #Giants
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Wouldn't have it any other way.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 09:58 PM
Rays with more great value in Mahtook at 31.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 09:59 PM
Rays with more great value in Mahtook at 31.
Great pick.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 10:00 PM
I'm gonna guess that the Rangers end up popping Bell.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 10:03 PM
Next Rays pick is supposed to be surprising in that it's kind of a reach. With the amount of picks they have, they can afford to go grab a guy if they are afraid he won't be around later.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 10:16 PM
Nats grab Goodwin.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 10:18 PM
Ahh. Brian Goodwin (17th round by Sox in 2009) to Washington.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 10:22 PM
Still plenty of talent on the board. Susac, Bradley, Norris, Dillon Howard, Chafin, etc.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 10:40 PM
Sox on the clock...

Bucky F. Dent
06-06-2011, 10:40 PM
Survey says???????

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 10:42 PM
Sox select Keenyn Walker. OF

Number 92 player on BA's top 200.

Meh.

Bucky F. Dent
06-06-2011, 10:42 PM
An outfield from central arizona?

KRS1
06-06-2011, 10:43 PM
Lol

SoxSpeed22
06-06-2011, 10:44 PM
I'm surprised they didn't go for Meo from Costal Carolina. I don't know anything about this guy so no comment.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 10:44 PM
The opposite of a value pick.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 10:45 PM
Walker has been drafted twice already. 38th round last year. MLBN crew says he's a toolsy, top of the order type; switch hitter. Could still be a little raw.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 10:47 PM
65 SBs and 8 3B's

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 10:47 PM
Walker has been drafted twice already. 38th round last year. MLBN crew says he's a toolsy, top of the order type; switch hitter. Could still be a little raw.

Toolsy, raw, athletic, strikeout issues. We have a few of those already.

RockJock07
06-06-2011, 10:47 PM
Walker has been drafted twice already. 38th round last year. MLBN crew says he's a toolsy, top of the order type; switch hitter. Could still be a little raw.

Apperently he strikes out alot too.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 10:48 PM
Stats (http://www.allprosoftware.net/CentralArizonaCollegeBaseball2007/teambatting.htm)

canOcorn
06-06-2011, 10:50 PM
Sox select Keenyn Walker. OF

Number 92 player on BA's top 200.

Meh.

Meh is right. Easy sign, but raw and I don't trust this crew to develop. He played football though..........

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 10:52 PM
Keenyn Walker, OF, Central Arizona CC: Bats Both, 6-3, 185. Drafted by the Cubs in the 16th round in 2009 but didnít sign. Toolsy, athletic, very fast, some power potential, has strikeout issues and is still rather raw, but toolsy enough to go on first day. Committed to Utah if he doesnít sign. Hitting .421/.513/.622 with 28 walks, 35 strikeouts in 164 at-bats, 49 steals in 52 attempts.

Via Sickels.

JermaineDye05
06-06-2011, 10:55 PM
Another Jared Mitchell type with not near the upside that Mitchell had when he was drafted.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 10:57 PM
Another Jared Mitchell type with not near the upside that Mitchell had when he was drafted.

He would likely have been available in the 2nd round as well. Having strikeout issues in JUCO ball doesn't bode well.

DSpivack
06-06-2011, 10:57 PM
Does KW like drafting guys that remind him of... himself?

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 11:00 PM
Walker was drafted in the 16th round out of high school in Utah in 2009 and last year at Central Arizona, in the 38th round. Scouts have always been intrigued by the 6-foot-3 switch-hitter with standout tools and impressive athleticism. The raw tools don't always translate on the baseball field, however, and he didn't even start regularly last year. This year is a different story. Walker has performed well with wood and he should get more than the $250,000 he reportedly turned down out of high school. Walker has more power from the right side, but his lefthanded swing is more pure. He's mostly a gap hitter with above-average speed, so he profiles as a good defensive center fielder. He has the speed to hit at the top of the order, but needs to cut down on his strikeouts. If he doesn't sign, Walker will head to Utah.

Scouting report.

palehozenychicty
06-06-2011, 11:06 PM
I know the second round isn't a hotbed of talent, but dag. :scratch:

JermaineDye05
06-06-2011, 11:18 PM
He must be related to Greg Walker.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 11:20 PM
keithlaw keithlaw
Never went to see him. Plays an hour from my house. + Run. Bat LONG way off. RT @NateRittenberry: @keithlaw did you even scout walker?
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EMachine10
06-06-2011, 11:28 PM
keithlaw keithlaw
Never went to see him. Plays an hour from my house. + Run. Bat LONG way off. RT @NateRittenberry: @keithlaw did you even scout walker?
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Keith Law tells me exactly why I dislike Keith Law in that tweet.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 11:29 PM
Keith Law tells me exactly why I dislike Keith Law in that tweet.

Meh. Law is an ass, but the fact that he didn't feel the need to scout Walker is pretty telling.

EMachine10
06-06-2011, 11:34 PM
Meh. Law is an ass, but the fact that he didn't feel the need to scout Walker is pretty telling.
No, I agree. I just don't like Law. :tongue:

KRS1
06-06-2011, 11:43 PM
A White Sox poster from another board who was a higher up Jays employee has stated that this pick is punchline in the Jays front office. Take that as you will.

I believe he was saying that Keith Law is a punchline in the Jays office.

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 11:45 PM
I believe he was saying that Keith Law is a punchline in the Jays office.

You are correct. Deleting my post.

Soxfest
06-06-2011, 11:46 PM
The scouting dept is a total joke this pick is terrible over reach again! Is Arizona and initials of KW the only OF we can draft! Same old blues again!:angry:

DirtySox
06-06-2011, 11:47 PM
Jeff's take here (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/future-sox/2011/06/white-sox-select-of-keenyn-walker-with-1st-pick.html#more).

KRS1
06-06-2011, 11:54 PM
I guess the big thing outside of his tools is that he played in a wooden bat collegiate division, much like Aaron Cunningham a while back.

russ99
06-07-2011, 12:27 AM
The scouting dept is a total joke this pick is terrible over reach again! Is Arizona and initials of KW the only OF we can draft! Same old blues again!:angry:

Not the scouting dept, the signing budget. Jerry's at it again.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:33 AM
From Goldstein's chat:


msambor (chicago): thoughts on keenyn walker?

Kevin Goldstein II: I like him! Risky pick, but I like going with upside when you don't have a first rounder. He definitely could flame out early, but it's worth the risk.

khan
06-07-2011, 11:26 AM
Another easy sign?

Check.

"Raw, toolsy, athletic," former football player?

Check.


Is anyone really surprised?


"Meh" was my reaction as well.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 11:32 AM
Day 2 begins in 30 minutes. Expect plenty of college pitchers.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 11:38 AM
Bowden on the Keenyn Walker pick.

Jim Bowden: I hate hitters that strike out alot in JC....if you strike out in JC how are you going to do against the best pitchers in professional baseball....

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:11 PM
Pirates grab Bell. Good for them. Power potential is ridiculous.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:13 PM
D-Backs cleaning up. Bauer, Bradley, Meo. Love it.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:18 PM
Streaming live here (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2011/draftlive_app.jsp) if anyone cares.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:22 PM
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
#Cubs take Dan Vogelbach, who is fat but has crazy power. Sent out a pre-draft letter looking for $1.65 million.
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Like this pick.

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DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:28 PM
Jays grab Norris. Number 14 talent. Huge if they sign him.

EMachine10
06-07-2011, 12:31 PM
Like this pick.

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I, too, like that pick for them at that point.

But yes, needs to shed some weight.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:34 PM
Tilson goes off the board one pick before the Sox. Wonder if he was considered. Is more signable than initially thought.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:35 PM
White Sox select Erik Johnson RHP. Cal.

Number 97 on BA's Top 200.

EMachine10
06-07-2011, 12:36 PM
Erik Johnson - RHP - college arm. 4 "major league average pitches," could move quickly, though not projected to be front of rotation - workhorse type.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:38 PM
jimcallisBA Jim Callis
#WhiteSox 2nd rd: California RHP Erik Johnson. Big body (6-2/240), 90-95, hard slider. #mlbdraft
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DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:39 PM
I like Hedges. Was surprised he slid so far. Susac has slid too.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:45 PM
Sickels again on Walker:

1-47) White Sox: Keenyn Walker, OF, Central Arizona JC: Blazing speed and greatly improved hitting skills, along with a solid glove, push him to the top of the White Sox draft list. I like Walker a LOT and he was on my list of players who could go earlier than expected. He's got some risk, but the reward could be huge.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:52 PM
Pirates with more great value in Dickerson.

I like what they've done so far.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 12:57 PM
Wow. If the Nats sign Purke....

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 01:11 PM
White Sox select Jeff Soptic RHP, Johnson County CC

110th pick, number 110 on BA's Top 200.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 01:12 PM
johnmanuelba John Manuel
Hard-throwing JC RHP Jeff Soptic to #WhiteSox, raw, big arm strength, reports of 100 mph, strictly a bullpen guy long-term
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EMachine10
06-07-2011, 01:12 PM
Jeff Soptic, a 6-6 RHP from JC. MLB crew says good arm strength, they like his chances with Don Cooper molding him.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 01:14 PM
More on Johnson:

Erik Johnson, RHP, University of California: Johnson is ranked 97th on the Baseball America prospect list and 74th on the Perfect Game list, which would put him on the bottom fringes of the supplemental round or in the second. However, he has the power arm (90-95 MPH fastball, good slider) to go somewhere in the middle of the supplemental round for a team that believes they can refine his mechanics and polish his changeup.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 01:15 PM
Soptic:

Jeff Soptic, RHP, Johnson County Community College: This 6-6 right-hander scrapes 100 MPH with his fastball and has a promising slider. Although somewhat unrefined as a pitcher, his upside is huge and his arm strength is as good as anyone else's in the draft. He could easily go in the supplemental round to a team looking for a high-octane arm to harness.

doublem23
06-07-2011, 01:18 PM
So far, not enthralled with the Sox draft class, but not disappointed either.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 01:19 PM
Susac and Oropesa the last 2 Giants picks are favorites of mine.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 01:45 PM
White Sox select Kyle McMillen RHP, Kent State.

Number 94 on BA's Top 200.

Domeshot17
06-07-2011, 01:50 PM
Really wish we would have went with Noe Ramirez, Boston got him the pick after, his change up could be incredible.

doublem23
06-07-2011, 01:59 PM
Really wish we would have went with Noe Ramirez, Boston got him the pick after, his change up could be incredible.

Does it really make that big of a difference? Even for guys who actually know what they're doing, the MLB Draft is basically a crapshoot. Really not worth getting all upset over.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 02:00 PM
Really wish we would have went with Noe Ramirez, Boston got him the pick after, his change up could be incredible.

You and me both. His sinking fastball is fantastic.

Domeshot17
06-07-2011, 02:02 PM
Does it really make that big of a difference? Even for guys who actually know what they're doing, the MLB Draft is basically a crapshoot. Really not worth getting all upset over.

Well, yes, generally drafting the guys with the most talent is a good way to draft.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 02:06 PM
Anything have something on McMillen? Busy getting ready for class and can't do much digging. All I know is he was a good value pick.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 02:16 PM
So when do we draft Ozney?

I'll guess the 9th round.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 02:25 PM
White Sox select Scott Snodgress, LHP Stanford.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 02:28 PM
conorglassey conorglassey
The White Sox were linked to #Stanford LHP Scott Snodgress with pick 47. Getting him in the 5th round makes more sense. #mlbdraft
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DirtySox
06-07-2011, 02:30 PM
Kyle McMillen (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/future-sox/2011/06/kyle-mcmillen-drafted-in-fourth-round.html)

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 02:33 PM
More on Walker:

Max (Chicago, IL)

Keenyn Walker-wasted pick/reach, orÖ?
Klaw (2:13 PM)

Reach for me. Most area guys in AZ donít believe in the bat. Heard four teams on him hard, CWS was one of them.

Domeshot17
06-07-2011, 02:38 PM
I completely hate the fact we are focusing our draft around arms that profile as relievers this early.

doublem23
06-07-2011, 02:51 PM
Well, yes, generally drafting the guys with the most talent is a good way to draft.

Yeah but you don't have any real insight into whether Player X is more talented than Player Y.

Domeshot17
06-07-2011, 02:53 PM
Yeah but you don't have any real insight into whether Player X is more talented than Player Y.

I follow College Baseball pretty well, always been very interested in it.

doublem23
06-07-2011, 02:55 PM
I follow College Baseball pretty well, always been very interested in it.

I'm sure you do, but you're still basing your opinion on a lot of these guys on how much percentage of second-hand accounts?

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 02:56 PM
White Sox select Marcus Semien, SS Cal

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 02:57 PM
conorglassey conorglassey
The White Sox need to buy a new phone
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DirtySox
06-07-2011, 02:57 PM
There goes Derek Fisher and Osich. Could be steals if they sign.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 03:10 PM
White Sox select Kevan Smith, C, University of Pittsburgh.


Done with updates as I'm getting ready for class. Not that many people care about the draft at this point.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 03:24 PM
FrankiePiliere Frankie Piliere
Gardeck has a good arm. Good pick in the 8th round
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cards press box
06-07-2011, 03:59 PM
The scouting dept is a total joke this pick is terrible over reach again! Is Arizona and initials of KW the only OF we can draft! Same old blues again!:angry:

Another easy sign?

Check.

"Raw, toolsy, athletic," former football player?

Check.


Is anyone really surprised?


"Meh" was my reaction as well.

Meh. Law is an ass, but the fact that he didn't feel the need to scout Walker is pretty telling.

I don't understand the criticism of Walker. If your first pick is #47, why not take a toolsy guy with potentially high upside? I agree with Kevin Goldstein on this one.

asindc
06-07-2011, 04:10 PM
Meh. Law is an ass, but the fact that he didn't feel the need to scout Walker is pretty telling.

Yeah, it's telling me that Law doesn't know enough about Walker to offer an informed opinion.

SoxSpeed22
06-07-2011, 04:47 PM
Round 11- Blair Walters LHP Hawaii
Round 12- Andrew Virgili RHP Lynn U
Round 13- Chadd Krist C Cal
Round 14- Mark Ginther 3B Okahoma State
Round 15- David Herbek SS James Madison

SoxSpeed22
06-07-2011, 05:00 PM
That phone is definitely busted. That would work a lot better if they skyped this.
The pick is Chris Bassitt RHP Akron.

steviestayfresh
06-07-2011, 05:05 PM
Keenyn Walker??? Come on...

I'm sensing another Jerry Owens project?

SoxSpeed22
06-07-2011, 05:16 PM
This Collin Kuhn kid could fly through our system. Tough to strikeout, gets on base, can show some pop and very good defensively in left or center field.

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 06:57 PM
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
It's weird, yes. RT @jahoffmn: @Kevin_Goldstein is it crazy that the White Sox didn't draft a high schooler until the 21st round?
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BigHurt3515
06-07-2011, 07:00 PM
Lance Jeffries got drafted in the 10th round by the Cardinals, I know this doesn't really matter to most of you but it kind of does to me.
My best friend of 12 years played summer ball with this kid for the past 2 years and he can fly. Also has a very good arm (clocked in the lower 90's) and plays a good CF. He can hit the ball to, short quick swing and has some pop (hit a 450+ feet bomb last summer). He is going to be someone to watch, its crazy seeing these high schoolers get drafted when they are the same age as me..

Just felt like sharing

DirtySox
06-07-2011, 07:06 PM
The Cubs just drafted a power hitter by the name of "Rock Shoulders." Amazing.

russ99
06-07-2011, 10:00 PM
The Cubs just drafted a power hitter by the name of "Rock Shoulders." Amazing.

LOL!! What's next, Rock Strongo?

Soxfest
06-07-2011, 11:19 PM
Yahoo Sports on Walker

The Pick: Keenyn Walker, OF.
The Buzz: If there was a more ho-hum day for any prospect, it was Walker, who has been drafted each of the last three years now. His stock has improved each time from the mid-30s, to mid-teens, and now into the sandwich picks. The Sox like his potential to be a top of the order hitter, but he has been slow to develop his batter's eye. The ceiling is fairly low for this pick and does not excite very much.

Domeshot17
06-08-2011, 12:34 AM
I don't understand the criticism of Walker. If your first pick is #47, why not take a toolsy guy with potentially high upside? I agree with Kevin Goldstein on this one.

But walker is not a high ceiling player. Your argument could hold wAter if they drafted a guy like Matt Purke but Walker is a reach at 47

rdivaldi
06-08-2011, 12:46 AM
But walker is not a high ceiling player. Your argument could hold wAter if they drafted a guy like Matt Purke but Walker is a reach at 47

Walker might not be a lot of things, but he is most definitely a "high ceiling" prospect.

DirtySox
06-08-2011, 12:59 AM
Maybe I'm reaching here, but judging from Ozzie's Twitter he isn't pleased about Ozney not being drafted yet.

TDog
06-08-2011, 01:50 AM
Considering that the three lowest-paid starting pitchers in the White Sox rotation were first-round picks by teams other than the White Sox, I have to question the serious tone of this thread.

On the bright side, this year's top White Sox draft pick won't be getting a $5 million signing bonus.

DirtySox
06-08-2011, 01:51 AM
scotgregor Scot Gregor
Why is Ozney Guillen still on the draft board after 30 rounds? 144 ABs at Miami-Dade JC this year with aluminum bat and 0 HR
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Ozney profiles at a corner OF spot or 1B. Not being able to hit for power with aluminum at such positions doesn't bode well for him. I approve of the Sox staying away through 30 rounds.

WhiteSox5187
06-08-2011, 02:54 AM
Maybe I'm reaching here, but judging from Ozzie's Twitter he isn't pleased about Ozney not being drafted yet.

I think something happened in Venezuela given his Sean Penn quote.

DirtySox
06-08-2011, 12:18 PM
Laumann's kid was just drafted by the Braves.

PolishPrince34
06-08-2011, 01:09 PM
I think its pathetic that it takes 33 rounds before we drafted a high school player. Can anyone think of a high school player we drafted that has produced on our ballpark-Never oh I forgot Chris Young, but we traded him. We need some new philosophy in our approach to the draft. I don't think it will change until Kenny moves up which I believe will be pretty soon and Rich Hahn will take over.

DirtySox
06-08-2011, 01:13 PM
I think its pathetic that it takes 33 rounds before we drafted a high school player. Can anyone think of a high school player we drafted that has produced on our ballpark-Never oh I forgot Chris Young, but we traded him. We need some new philosophy in our approach to the draft. I don't think it will change until Kenny moves up which I believe will be pretty soon and Rich Hahn will take over.

They drafted a high schooler in the 21st round. But yes, it's odd to draft 90% college kids. And from what I can tell it really isn't all on Kenny. Jerry supposedly has his hands in the draft more then he should. He prefers college players and pitchers primarily because they are "safer" picks.

Randar68
06-08-2011, 01:14 PM
I think its pathetic that it takes 33 rounds before we drafted a high school player. Can anyone think of a high school player we drafted that has produced on our ballpark-Never oh I forgot Chris Young, but we traded him. We need some new philosophy in our approach to the draft. I don't think it will change until Kenny moves up which I believe will be pretty soon and Rich Hahn will take over.

Why on Earth do you care where they come from? All that should matter is the success rate (which is plenty-suspect in the past 10 years). HS vs college is a pointless distinction, especially since you are lumping JuCO/CC players in with college players and they are defined differently by all involved in the actual process.

PolishPrince34
06-08-2011, 01:27 PM
How many high picks are we going to use on relievers? You look up and down are organization we lack right/left handed starting pitchers. You look at Laumann drafts and he's constantly drafting relievers with high picks. I don't see the White Sox using our system to call up arms. Most of our pitchers have come from trades and free agency-minus Buehrle/Santos. Now again we are using our 3rd/4th/5th rounders on relievers-make you scratch your head. How does this help Kenny make trades down the road when we don't use our system. Yes I know we have Beckham and Morel on the team, but I'm talking about pitching

khan
06-08-2011, 01:34 PM
I don't understand the criticism of Walker. If your first pick is #47, why not take a toolsy guy with potentially high upside? I agree with Kevin Goldstein on this one.

I suppose that we've seen KW try to draft himself before. You know, the "athletic, toolsy former football player?"

But that hasn't worked out too well for this organization lately. Mitchell, while by no means done developing, still barely has a .700 OPS in A+ Winston-Salem, for example. The "toolsy, athletic" Trace Thompson is hitting less than .250 in A-ball Kannapolis. The "toolsy, athletic" Kenneth Williams, Jr. is above the Mendoza Line with a BA of .205 in AA Birmingham. And all three are striking out and getting clowned by pitchers that will be managing a Burger King in a year or two.


I'll reserve judgement on Walker, but the early reports of a guy who strikes out in JUCO ball aren't promising. That said, the draft of Walker seems to fit an established MO for this front office.

Randar68
06-08-2011, 01:36 PM
How many high picks are we going to use on relievers? You look up and down are organization we lack right/left handed starting pitchers. You look at Laumann drafts and he's constantly drafting relievers with high picks. I don't see the White Sox using our system to call up arms. Most of our pitchers have come from trades and free agency-minus Buehrle/Santos. Now again we are using our 3rd/4th/5th rounders on relievers-make you scratch your head. How does this help Kenny make trades down the road when we don't use our system. Yes I know we have Beckham and Morel on the team, but I'm talking about pitching
Your point is valid (except leaving Sale off the list), but whose philosophy is it? Hard to say. Cheaper to work with college prospects because they generally require less time to get to the "bust or not" stage and you will have less time and money invested in them in the long run. Spending 127M on the payroll will have other ramifications that people may not like... as in investing less $$$ in the farm/development system.

PolishPrince34
06-08-2011, 01:42 PM
But what college pitching prospects have we developed? Sale was in our system for 4 weeks before being called up. How much did we develop him in 1 month? Santos was converted into a pitcher after being a bust at shortstop. You look at the best organizations and developing players and there is always a nice combination of high school/college players. Take a look at Tampa Bay, Red Sox, Texas, Toronto, and Kansas City past drafts and this years drafts and you will see how often they draft high risk reward players. I don't mind the Walker pick, but I have concerns whether we can develop him because our track record isn't good with toolsy prospects. Again the only one we ever developed was Chris Young and we traded him.

khan
06-08-2011, 02:05 PM
I notice a trend in your post:

But what college pitching prospects have we developed? Sale was in our system for 4 weeks before being called up. How much did we develop him in 1 month? Santos was converted into a pitcher after being a bust at shortstop. You look at the best organizations and developing players and there is always a nice combination of high school/college players. Take a look at Tampa Bay, Red Sox, Texas, Toronto, and Kansas City past drafts and this years drafts and you will see how often they draft high risk reward players. I don't mind the Walker pick, but I have concerns whether we can develop him because our track record isn't good with toolsy prospects. Again the only one we ever developed was Chris Young and we traded him.

I don't give a rip if the draftee comes from High School, JUCO, a 4 year college, or internationally if the guy can play.

That said, I think your quarrel shouldn't be with the drafting of collegiate pitchers so much as it should be with the player development people.

russ99
06-08-2011, 02:15 PM
They drafted a high schooler in the 21st round. But yes, it's odd to draft 90% college kids. And from what I can tell it really isn't all on Kenny. Jerry supposedly has his hands in the draft more then he should. He prefers college players and pitchers primarily because they are "safer" picks.

It's all about signability and even more so signability at slot.

The Sox have gone over slot for early picks the last few years, but don't expect Jerry to hand over big bonuses, especially to Boras clients.

The issue with many high-schoolers is that other than the top few rounds of draftees, there's little incentive for them to sign a lowball slot deal and slog around the lower minors for 2-3 years when they can go to college and improve their play (and their stock) shooting for a bigger payday.

Randar68
06-08-2011, 02:31 PM
But what college pitching prospects have we developed? Sale was in our system for 4 weeks before being called up. How much did we develop him in 1 month? Santos was converted into a pitcher after being a bust at shortstop. You look at the best organizations and developing players and there is always a nice combination of high school/college players. Take a look at Tampa Bay, Red Sox, Texas, Toronto, and Kansas City past drafts and this years drafts and you will see how often they draft high risk reward players. I don't mind the Walker pick, but I have concerns whether we can develop him because our track record isn't good with toolsy prospects. Again the only one we ever developed was Chris Young and we traded him.

Seems every post of yours is just complaining. Saying we didn't develop Santos after he was a bust at SS??? Isn't that the epitome of player development? Turning a SS into a top closer?

Developing players is about picking the right ones to begin with. Again, the Sox do not have the biggest/best scouting department in MLB and it shows on some picks and in draft history, IMO. You bust on the high risk guys enough and you become risk-averse so part of the strategy seems to be dictated by that.

And you might as well leave every one of those teams except Boston off the list. Those teams have historically drafted in the top 10 picks in most of the past 15-20 years. Different ballgame when you're talking about drafting top 10 year after year.

PolishPrince34
06-08-2011, 02:44 PM
I mentioned Texas, Tampa Bay, Red Sox, Toronto, Texas, and KC as being the cream of crop for organizations: The only team that has consistently drafted in the Top 10 is Kansas City. If our organization was smart with their budget you would take $5-8 million off the ballclub and put it towards your farm system and international signings. Therefore you wouldn't have to be spending big money on free agents, trades, and waiver pickups such as Dunn, Rios, E. Jackson, Pierre, Ohman, etc. You would be saving a lot of money in the long run developing your own players. Plus I've posted 3 comments on the draft-I'm always complaining. I don't see too many positives on our draft picks and farm system. Look up for the past 5 years where our farm system has ranked and its been in the bottom 5 every year.

Randar68
06-08-2011, 03:30 PM
Look up for the past 5 years where our farm system has ranked and its been in the bottom 5 every year.

Because we make a butt-load of trades. Those guys we traded may or may not have panned out but they landed us a lot of proven veterans over that period of time. I notice you ignore those players as if they never existed because it must be convenient to whatever point you think you're making.

And 3 posts, all complaining, is indeed a trend. You go from one scattered complaint to the next.

Did you just start paying attention the past 2 years? Tampa has been drafting the top 5 for the majority of their existence. Texas in the top 15 for most of the past 15 years. Toronto the same. So yes, the Red Sox seem to be the best example you have. The rest? apples and oranges.

DirtySox
06-08-2011, 03:31 PM
Ozney still on the board.

dickallen15
06-08-2011, 03:38 PM
Ozney still on the board.
He or at least his family was insulted he was drafted in the 22nd round and offered $50k last year. I'm sure other teams don't want to deal with Oney or Ozzie's BS this time.

DirtySox
06-08-2011, 03:41 PM
He or at least his family was insulted he was drafted in the 22nd round and offered $50k last year. I'm sure other teams don't want to deal with Oney or Ozzie's BS this time.

I remember quite well. Ozzie created a huge stink about it. I kinda feel bad for Ozney. From what I can tell he is one of the more reserved Guillens. At least from following him on Twitter he isn't a huge asshat like Oney. I don't think much of him as a prospect though.

WhiteSox5187
06-08-2011, 04:07 PM
I remember quite well. Ozzie created a huge stink about it. I kinda feel bad for Ozney. From what I can tell he is one of the more reserved Guillens. At least from following him on Twitter he isn't a huge asshat like Oney. I don't think much of him as a prospect though.

It wasn't Ozzie who created a stink about it, it was Oney. Ozzie's only quote on it was "I am disappointed because my son is disappointed, but this is a business." Ozzie took the whole thing rather well in his quotes to the media. Oney was his usual douche bag self and Kenny over reacted by charging into the clubhouse to fight Ozzie.

On an unrelated note, I got a text message that in the 33rd round the Rangers drafted Johnathan Taylor who is paralyzed from the waist down. Did he suffer an injury that he might recover from?

Tragg
06-08-2011, 04:16 PM
Because we make a butt-load of trades. Those guys we traded may or may not have panned out but they landed us a lot of proven veterans over that period of time.

That's part of the problem...we SHOULD have gotten sure things...but what we've gotten is anything but sure.
MacDougal was a joke
Peavy lives on the DL...exactly where he was when we got him.
Teahen blows
Pierre, well opinions differ I suppose
Swisher was mediocre (and we gave 2 contributors and another prospect for him) and the resultant trade worse.
And the Jackson trade was ridiculous
I wish we got our sure things.

doublem23
06-08-2011, 04:37 PM
On an unrelated note, I got a text message that in the 33rd round the Rangers drafted Johnathan Taylor who is paralyzed from the waist down. Did he suffer an injury that he might recover from?

Yes, he is in rehab. Don't know if he'll ever recover enough to actually play pro ball, but might be able to walk again?

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/June-2011/Flash-Mobs-and-Chicago-Beach-Violence/

I guess he suffered the injury in a freak collision in the outfield, and the Rangers drafted the guy he collided with 4 rounds later.

Soxfest
06-08-2011, 05:04 PM
Berstein on the Score said Sox promised to pick Ozney between rounds 10-15 and Guillen family is pissed. Noboby in MLB wanted Ozney this year and probably last year, what makes KW and OG think White Sox organization owes there kids a payday. KW Jr probably would not of been drafted either by anyone else, If this BS crap did not exist.

Risk
06-08-2011, 05:23 PM
Berstein on the Score said Sox promised to pick Ozney between rounds 10-15 and Guillen family is pissed. Noboby in MLB wanted Ozney this year and probably last year, what makes KW and OG think White Sox organization owes there kids a payday. KW Jr probably would not of been drafted either by anyone else, If this BS crap did not exist.

I thought that the knock on drafting KW Jr. was that picking him in the 6th round was a reach, not that he was not going to be drafted.

Risk

Randar68
06-08-2011, 05:24 PM
That's part of the problem...we SHOULD have gotten sure things...but what we've gotten is anything but sure.
MacDougal was a joke
Peavy lives on the DL...exactly where he was when we got him.
Teahen blows
Pierre, well opinions differ I suppose
Swisher was mediocre (and we gave 2 contributors and another prospect for him) and the resultant trade worse.
And the Jackson trade was ridiculous
I wish we got our sure things.

I don't disagree they haven't panned out into "sure things", but you got some seriously proven veteran talent. The rest is just 20/20 hindsight. And Pierre was had for very little because of salary dump.

Of course you left off McCarthy for John Danks or Carlos Quentin for Chris Carter, because those weren't convenient to the point you were trying to support.

Tragg
06-08-2011, 05:32 PM
Of course you left off McCarthy for John Danks or Carlos Quentin for Chris Carter, because those weren't convenient to the point you were trying to support.

I left those trades off because they were prospect for prospect trades. Quentin and Danks were prospects.
I also left off Cunningham for Richar....prospect for prospect.

Randar, you used to do some great minor league analysis on the board. I'm assuming our real prospects are in Birmingham or lower. Any outfielders that you see?

Harry Chappas
06-08-2011, 05:32 PM
That's part of the problem...we SHOULD have gotten sure things...but what we've gotten is anything but sure.
MacDougal was a joke
Peavy lives on the DL...exactly where he was when we got him.
Teahen blows
Pierre, well opinions differ I suppose
Swisher was mediocre (and we gave 2 contributors and another prospect for him) and the resultant trade worse.
And the Jackson trade was ridiculous
I wish we got our sure things.

There are no "sure things." Based on his career numbers for crap teams and HR unfriendly ballparks, I'd say Dunn looked like a "sure thing" to most Sox fans and it hasn't worked out too well (yet).

DirtySox
06-08-2011, 05:36 PM
I thought that the knock on drafting KW Jr. was that picking him in the 6th round was a reach, not that he was not going to be drafted.

Risk

Correct. He was a 10th-ish round talent.

Soxfest
06-08-2011, 05:44 PM
I disagree the consensus on him was very late 20's rounds If at all. He did not even start much his last year in college he was the 4th OF. No way he was 10th round talent Williams who hardly played his first two years at the University of Arizona and was declared ineligible his last season at Wichita State.

DirtySox
06-09-2011, 01:52 PM
KG's AL Central Draft Review is up. The White Sox portion is free.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14186

asindc
06-09-2011, 02:44 PM
KG's AL Central Draft Review is up. The White Sox portion is free.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14186

I wonder what Khan has to say about this comment: "Walker is exactly the kind of player the White Sox used to avoid, but with Kenny Williams' edict to focus on upside, he's a great find."

khan
06-09-2011, 03:06 PM
I wonder what Khan has to say about this comment: "Walker is exactly the kind of player the White Sox used to avoid, but with Kenny Williams' edict to focus on upside, he's a great find."

Well, since you asked, I think it would be a reasonable statement to make, IF the player in question does in fact have a great upside.

That said, one has to wonder exactly how much upside a player can have when he's striking out at a 21% clip vs. JUCO pitchers. [Most of whom will be working at a Hertz rent-a-car or a Burger King in a few weeks.] I'll give you the view from FutureSox:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/future-sox/2011/06/white-sox-select-of-keenyn-walker-with-1st-pick.html#more



In general, I agree with the concept of seeking upside as being tantamount to being a growth investor. However, I don't know that the front office have done this with this or other picks. As I've stated previously, there are already plenty of other Kenny Williams doppelgangers in the SOX farm system. [READ: Raw, Toolsy, Athletic strikout kings, like Mitchell, Trace Thompson, KW JR, and others.]


Oddly enough, the players that pique my interest in the SOX farm system aren't the "Toolsy, athletic" types like Danks, Mitchell, Thompson, etc... For me, it's the other guys like Remenowsky or Kuhn or Marrero that interest me. Granted, it is unlikely that ANY of these players will make The Show.

But I find it worth watching that the guy who "knows how to pitch" [Remenowsky] has shown better results than some of the more highly-touted prospects, for example. Or that Kuhn's OBP of .429 this year is higher than Beckham's OBP in Birmingham in 2009. Sure, Remenowsky isn't throwing 100 MPH, and Kuhn doesn't have big-time power. But on the other hand, these types of guys have been perfoming at the level at which they're assigned.

asindc
06-09-2011, 03:29 PM
Well, since you asked, I think it would be a reasonable statement to make, IF the player in question does in fact have a great upside.

That said, one has to wonder exactly how much upside a player can have when he's striking out at a 21% clip vs. JUCO pitchers. [Most of whom will be working at a Hertz rent-a-car or a Burger King in a few weeks.] I'll give you the view from FutureSox:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/future-sox/2011/06/white-sox-select-of-keenyn-walker-with-1st-pick.html#more



In general, I agree with the concept of seeking upside as being tantamount to being a growth investor. However, I don't know that the front office have done this with this or other picks. As I've stated previously, there are already plenty of other Kenny Williams doppelgangers in the SOX farm system. [READ: Raw, Toolsy, Athletic strikout kings, like Mitchell, Trace Thompson, KW JR, and others.]


Oddly enough, the players that pique my interest in the SOX farm system aren't the "Toolsy, athletic" types like Danks, Mitchell, Thompson, etc... For me, it's the other guys like Remenowsky or Kuhn or Marrero that interest me. Granted, it is unlikely that ANY of these players will make The Show.

But I find it worth watching that the guy who "knows how to pitch" [Remenowsky] has shown better results than some of the more highly-touted prospects, for example. Or that Kuhn's OBP of .429 this year is higher than Beckham's OBP in Birmingham in 2009. Sure, Remenowsky isn't throwing 100 MPH, and Kuhn doesn't have big-time power. But on the other hand, these types of guys have been perfoming at the level at which they're assigned.

Just ribbing you for the 'KW-clone' comments you made in the past and how that conflicts with "used to avoid" comment from the review. Personally, I'm lukewarm about the pick only because developing players is a weak spot for our organization and a 'high upside' pick only works if you have the structure in place to develop him. Maybe this is another signal of the FO taking a different approach (in the same vain as hiring Buddy Bell, for instance). We'll see. At any rate, Walker does not seem to profile as a prospect who will be rushed into MLB action.

khan
06-09-2011, 03:33 PM
Just ribbing you for the 'KW-clone' comments you made in the past and how that conflicts with "used to avoid" comment from the review. Personally, I'm lukewarm about the pick only because developing players is a weak spot for our organization and a 'high upside' pick only works if you have the structure in place to develop him. Maybe this is another signal of the FO taking a different approach (in the same vain as hiring Buddy Bell, for instance). We'll see. At any rate, Walker does not seem to profile as a prospect who will be rushed into MLB action.

I can agree with all of this. We'll see if the strategy pays off or not.

That said, even in an admittedly-weak system like the SOX's system, there are always players that are of interest for minor league geeks like myself.

For me, the more intriguing players haven't been the ones touted by the front office or in the articles.

Randar68
06-09-2011, 03:50 PM
Randar, you used to do some great minor league analysis on the board. I'm assuming our real prospects are in Birmingham or lower. Any outfielders that you see?

Job the last 4 or 5 years hasn't allowed me to get out and see them as much and haven't really had the time to keep up like I used to. C'est la vie.