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GoSox2K3
05-31-2011, 10:47 AM
Yeah there's still time for him to turn things around, but where does he rank as of today?





* Yes, I know Albert Belle wasn't a "bust" for the Sox

TomBradley72
05-31-2011, 10:47 AM
Cory Snyder.

BainesHOF
05-31-2011, 10:51 AM
Bobby Bonds.

Really, though, the Dunn situation is unprecedented in franchise history. Albert Belle was a big bust early. However, he wasn't nearly as bad and then he hit like crazy.

The Milkman
05-31-2011, 10:54 AM
Todd Ritchie.

aryzner
05-31-2011, 10:57 AM
I'm not ready to call Dunn a bust yet. Yes, he's been bad so far this year but he's still got multiple years left on that contract to turn that around.

Now if he doesn't turn it around...

hawkjt
05-31-2011, 10:57 AM
Alex Rios,who was horrible his first two months in Aug and Sept in 2009.
But then he was good for the first 5 months of 2010.
Now,he has been bad the last 3 months in a Sox uni.

bottom line, Dunn is here for 4 years...long time to turn it around.
why even start these kinds of threads 2 months into a 4 year contract?

Foulke You
05-31-2011, 10:57 AM
Can we wait more than 2 months before declaring this 4 year contract a bust?

nccwsfan
05-31-2011, 10:58 AM
Two months into year one of a four year deal. He's been godawful but isn't it a little early to call him one of the all time busts? If this continues through year one and year two then calling him an all-time bust is appropriate. Right now he's been the opposite of what we all hoped for...

balke
05-31-2011, 11:16 AM
Dye and Konerko have put up terrible half seasons before. It happens. I'm not gonna write Dunn or Rios off yet. Just like to be able to trust these guys with 1 out and risp to get a run in.

Vestigio
05-31-2011, 11:20 AM
No David Wells?

sox1970
05-31-2011, 11:25 AM
Can we wait more than 2 months before declaring this 4 year contract a bust?

This. Everyone chill.

Now, I'm not saying he shouldn't have been pinch hit for on Saturday (because he should have), but he's got to keep starting against lefties until he comes out of it. The track record is there. It's way too soon to call it a bust.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
05-31-2011, 11:28 AM
:threadblows:

Yeah, he's been nothing short of craptacular, but it IS a bit early to declare him a bust.

Bobby Thigpen
05-31-2011, 11:28 AM
No David Wells?
You beat me to it.

tstrike2000
05-31-2011, 11:35 AM
I voted Nick Swisher, but yeah, it's too early to declare Dunn a bust. He wouldn't have gotten that kind of money if a single person didn't think he'd hit like .255-260 with 40 bombs, 100 rbi, and nearly 100 BB's.

Noneck
05-31-2011, 11:36 AM
Ron Santo

guillensdisciple
05-31-2011, 11:52 AM
Nope, way too early to declare any of this bust or no bust.

hi im skot
05-31-2011, 12:07 PM
Awful thread.

sullythered
05-31-2011, 12:11 PM
Why on earth is Albert Belle on this list? He was here for two seasons, had one very good year, and then one of the greatest years in the history of the White Sox.

PatK
05-31-2011, 12:12 PM
Todd Ritchie.

this

sunofgold
05-31-2011, 12:25 PM
Hopefully Dunn will heat up with the weather. Dye didn't have a great start in '05 and then look what he did in the rest of '05 and '06.

doublem23
05-31-2011, 12:33 PM
* Yes, I know Albert Belle wasn't a "bust" for the Sox

Then why is he on the list?

Albert Belle's 1998 season is probably the best offensive season ever in franchise history.

The only two at that level are 1994 Frank Thomas or 1920 Shoeless Joe Jackson.

DSpivack
05-31-2011, 12:39 PM
I voted other.

Since the churros were cold at a game I went to last year.

SI1020
05-31-2011, 12:40 PM
Then why is he on the list?

Albert Belle's 1998 season is probably the best offensive season ever in franchise history.

The only two at that level are 1994 Frank Thomas or 1920 Shoeless Joe Jackson. Why indeed. A lousy human being maybe, but hardly a bust with the White Sox. Imagine having a player on the current team tearing it up like Belle did in 98. Everything would be different.

Bobby Thigpen
05-31-2011, 12:41 PM
Imagine having a player on the current team having a tear it up year like Belle did in 98. Everything would be different.
What exactly would change?

PK's doing a decent impersonation so far this year and they're still stuck where they are.

SI1020
05-31-2011, 12:50 PM
What exactly would change?

PK's doing a decent impersonation so far this year and they're still stuck where they are. OK fair enough. I probably should have been more specific and said someone else besides Konerko.

doublem23
05-31-2011, 12:51 PM
What exactly would change?

PK's doing a decent impersonation so far this year and they're still stuck where they are.

.322/.399/.655 vs. .301/.371/.491

Not even close

TomBradley72
05-31-2011, 12:55 PM
This. Everyone chill.

Now, I'm not saying he shouldn't have been pinch hit for on Saturday (because he should have), but he's got to keep starting against lefties until he comes out of it. The track record is there. It's way too soon to call it a bust.

He does not have a track record vs. lefties.

Career batting average vs. lefties overall = .229, and a career average vs. lefty relievers in the .140s

2010 vs. Lefties: .199
2009 vs. Lefties: .268
2008: .195
2007: .239

voodoochile
05-31-2011, 12:58 PM
Fixed the poll but I haven't stacked the answer (yet).

KenBerryGrab
05-31-2011, 01:02 PM
Steve Kemp

Bobby Thigpen
05-31-2011, 01:14 PM
.322/.399/.655 vs. .301/.371/.491

Not even close
Ya. Because the difference in those numbers is obviously worth a 20 win swing at this point in the season.

How'd that 98 team turn out with that huge year?

doublem23
05-31-2011, 01:19 PM
Ya. Because the difference in those numbers is obviously worth a 20 win swing at this point in the season.

How'd that 98 team turn out with that huge year?

Probably would have been better if they didn't have an AL-high ERA of 5.22. Unless it's Albert's fault he couldn't pitch everyday, too. :scratch:

Konerko's having a fine season, but he's just not in '98 Albert Belle territory. He was on a tear for like 4 straight months.

SI1020
05-31-2011, 01:23 PM
Ya. Because the difference in those numbers is obviously worth a 20 win swing at this point in the season.

How'd that 98 team turn out with that huge year? Come on man. With all the offensive futility this team has displayed a bat like Belle's in the lineup would be as the ESPN crowd likes to say, huge. Even a three or four game swing puts them at .500 or slightly above. In a very mediocre division like the ALC, it could mean all the difference.

CHISOXFAN13
05-31-2011, 01:24 PM
Albert Belle? He was here two years and had the greatest offensive season in franchise history.

Bobby Thigpen
05-31-2011, 01:24 PM
Probably would have been better if they didn't have an AL-high ERA of 5.22. Unless it's Albert's fault he couldn't pitch everyday, too. :scratch:

Konerko's having a fine season, but he's just not in '98 Albert Belle territory. He was on a tear for like 4 straight months.
I never said he was on par with 98 AB. I said he's doing a decent impersonation. My point was to the person who said if you could drop 98 AB into this team it would make some kind of big difference. It wouldn't.

miker
05-31-2011, 01:25 PM
...Y2K.
...the last scheduled rapture.
...New Coke.

CHISOXFAN13
05-31-2011, 01:25 PM
Ya. Because the difference in those numbers is obviously worth a 20 win swing at this point in the season.

How'd that 98 team turn out with that huge year?

It sure as hell wasn't Belle's fault the team didn't have more success.

Domeshot17
05-31-2011, 01:26 PM
The Rapture

Bobby Thigpen
05-31-2011, 01:30 PM
On a side note- On June 1, 1998 Albert Belle was hitting .264 with 11 HRs and 41 RBIs with an OPS of .863.

Right now, Paulie's at .301, 11, 40 and a OPS of .866.

I'd say PK's comparable at this point.

Moses_Scurry
05-31-2011, 02:10 PM
My biggest expectations that were met in the most bust-like manner were when they acquired David Wells. They were coming off a division championship and added an ace pitcher to the mix. When they got Belle, I was pumped, but I always thought they would have to win games 10-9 with Navarro as the "ace".

When they got Swisher, I was excited but wary because he was coming off a so-so year. Same with Rios and Peavy.

The only thing positive about the Wells trade was that nobody they traded away did anything and we all got to make fun of Gord Ash for awhile. I think he even got his own tag here because of it.

slavko
05-31-2011, 02:26 PM
Belle? He could mash. David Wells is the choice, measuring money against production. Except for mentoring Buehrle.

soxfanatlanta
05-31-2011, 02:32 PM
Biggest bust since Geraldo Rivera's Al Capone Vault special:

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spawn
05-31-2011, 02:38 PM
This thread is the biggest overreaction since...

hi im skot
05-31-2011, 02:41 PM
This thread is the biggest overreaction since...

This one (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=128204).

doublem23
05-31-2011, 02:46 PM
This one (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=128204).

I would have gone with this stinker (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=128250)

hi im skot
05-31-2011, 03:13 PM
I would have gone with this stinker (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=128250)

Yeah, that's a good call.

asindc
05-31-2011, 03:18 PM
Then why is he on the list?

Albert Belle's 1998 season is probably the best offensive season ever in franchise history.

The only two at that level are 1994 Frank Thomas or 1920 Shoeless Joe Jackson.

1972 Dick Allen.

MetroPD
05-31-2011, 05:42 PM
no George Bell? Thats who he reminds me of most. As for Albert Belle... uh what?

Moses_Scurry
05-31-2011, 07:55 PM
no George Bell? Thats who he reminds me of most. As for Albert Belle... uh what?

Forgot about Bell. That is a great answer. Not only did he suck, he blew it in the playoffs, and the Sox traded a perennial 50+ HR ( yes I realize we all hate Sosa, but if he had done for the Sox what he did for the cubs those first 5 or 6 years, he'd be an icon) to get him.

Brian26
05-31-2011, 08:24 PM
Steve Kemp

Haha, that's a good choice.

Obviously it's too early to label Dunn a bust, but maybe the best example at this point in the season, in Sox history, would be Floyd Bannister in 1983. The Sox outbid everyone to sign him to a huge contract, and he began the season 2-8 or 2-9. He looked like an epic bust before coming came back in the second half strong to finish 16-10. So, who knows, maybe Dunn can turn it around too.

sullythered
05-31-2011, 08:35 PM
Haha, that's a good choice.

Obviously it's too early to label Dunn a bust, but maybe the best example at this point in the season, in Sox history, would be Floyd Bannister in 1983. The Sox outbid everyone to sign him to a huge contract, and he began the season 2-8 or 2-9. He looked like an epic bust before coming came back in the second half strong to finish 16-10. So, who knows, maybe Dunn can turn it around too.
I was 3, so I don't remember, but a quick check of BR shows that that second half Bannister had wasn't just strong, but one of the best halves of a baseball season a Sox pitcher has ever had. Really impressive stuff. I wonder what made things click for him so dramatically and all of the sudden.

TomBradley72
05-31-2011, 08:49 PM
Ron Santo
Cleon Jones
Ron Bloomberg
Claudell Washington
George Foster
Phil Bradley

Take your pick. :cool:

Lip Man 1
05-31-2011, 10:50 PM
Sully:

From what guys on that team have told me Bannister stop trying to "justify" his contract and started trusting his stuff. He also started using his slider more often with devastating efficiency.

Lip

34rancher
05-31-2011, 11:03 PM
He's 0-38 vs. Lefties. Can we just trade him now? I got blasted for being negative on this signing. He's a bust.

RadioheadRocks
05-31-2011, 11:16 PM
LOL at the "blue seats at New Comiskey" choice! I remember someone here on WSI tried to chew me up one side and down the other when the blue seats were being sold and I had mentioned that they didn't hold any sentimental value to me.

TommyJohn
05-31-2011, 11:38 PM
This thread is the biggest overreaction since...


The new patch on the sleeve thread.

sunofgold
05-31-2011, 11:39 PM
I am not looking up updated stats, this is up through yesterday's game. These numbers went up since Dunn was 1-2 with 2 BBs and HBP

Against RHP: .234 BA, .367 OBP, .430 Slugging, .797 OPS

The best thing would to have Dunn start only against righties. It might be crazy but for now I would consider having somebody pinch hit for him when a lefty reliever coming in. That probably won't happen though b/c Dunn is paying a lot and it could hurt his ego. However, definitely, I wouldn't start him against lefties.

His numbers against rhp isn't earth shattering but it is okay. Something to build upon. And some of these pitchers in AL are new to Dunn. Hopefully, he will get better as his see the league more, especially and most importantly the AL Central.

Key to me: Keep him away from LHPs until he really starts heating up against RHPs

LongLiveFisk
05-31-2011, 11:47 PM
Someone did a bust of Adam Dunn?

LongLiveFisk
05-31-2011, 11:56 PM
The new patch on the sleeve thread.

I still miss the Diamond Sock. I'm an old softie.

waldo_the_wolf
05-31-2011, 11:56 PM
...Y2K.
...the last scheduled rapture.
...New Coke.

and the XFL:lol:

NLaloosh
06-01-2011, 12:14 AM
Now, is not the time to call signing Dunn to a 4 yr. $ 56 mil. deal a bad move.

That time was before the Sox signed him.

soxfan1965
06-01-2011, 12:30 AM
This is a topic before about 5 years ago http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-58340.html There were a lot of bad Sox players --> but in relation to compensation it seemed to have been Jamie Navarro as tops with his 4 year contract. I'd say with 4 years, $56 million, Dunn tops that. He can't field, he strikes out too much, he can't get clutch hits, he is useless against left handers--> and nothing to compensation for these glaring weaknesses. He is not getting any younger. At this rate he seems to be an albatross for another 3.5 years. To me he also looks out of shape, but I can't confirm that. At least tonight he got two walks and no strikeouts and the team won with him in the lineup. Despite his high pay, OG should consider using Lillibridge in right and Quinten as DH more often and bench Dunn. Until he shows improvement.

Woofer
06-01-2011, 12:36 AM
Has Bobby Bonds been mentioned?

Lip Man 1
06-01-2011, 12:39 AM
Bonds was only with the team for six weeks and in those days the salary was minimal.

May 16, 1978 - With the Sox record a dismal 9-20 and knowing that there was no way he was going to be able to re-sign him, Sox owner Bill Veeck trades Bobby Bonds to the Rangers for Claudell Washington and Rusty Torres. Bonds would only play in 26 games for the Sox, with two home runs and eight RBI’s. Making matters worse is that to get Bonds the previous December, Veeck traded three players including future All Star Brian Downing.

Lip

PeteWard
06-01-2011, 04:24 AM
It's June 1. What a moronic thread. :rolleyes:

Gavin
06-01-2011, 08:02 AM
It's June 1. What a moronic thread. :rolleyes:

Yeah, seriously. Everyone is still in it on June 1--no use evaluating the biggest free agent acquisition of the White Sox' offseason.

TommyJohn
06-01-2011, 09:25 AM
Yeah, seriously. Everyone is still in it on June 1--no use evaluating the biggest free agent acquisition of the White Sox' offseason.

Evaluating his performance is one thing-hyperventilating about "The biggest bust since..." is quite another.

Hitmen77
06-01-2011, 09:30 AM
- Ribbie and Roobarb?

- The "Einhorn E (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://th203.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/nikkimei_2007/th_soxhat.jpg&imgrefurl=http://photobucket.com/images/sox%2Bhat%2B1987%2Blogo/&usg=__Dl5N4ICTYMhPM_M2KI-VA4WL3Sc=&h=160&w=160&sz=3&hl=en&start=0&zoom=0&tbnid=HihPspILmmVY9M:&tbnh=98&tbnw=98&ei=5z3mTaa3L9O_gQe6zoW_Cg&prev=/search%3Fq%3D1987%2Bsox%2Bcap%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%2 6client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DHLm%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1038%26bih%3D619%26tbm%3Disch% 26prmd%3Divns&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=692&vpy=152&dur=1402&hovh=98&hovw=98&tx=71&ty=39&page=1&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0&biw=1038&bih=619)" Sox cap logo?

The new patch on the sleeve thread.

What do you mean? That thread wasn't over the top. Replacing the diamond patch logo with the old English logo on the gray unis is one of the worst debacles in franchise history! I guarantee you this atrocious design makes the Sox the laughingstock of the AL every time they don those away grays!:angry:

34rancher
06-01-2011, 10:24 AM
It's June 1. What a moronic thread. :rolleyes:

Well in all fairness, all of his teams have usually be 7-8 games back on June 1st in his career. He's used to losing. Never been on a 500 or better team in his career. ANd the 0-38 against lefties is abysmal.

WhiffleBall
06-01-2011, 11:01 AM
From a pure dollar standpoint Manny's one month of service for over $3 million has to be the worse.

PeteWard
06-01-2011, 06:39 PM
Yeah, seriously. Everyone is still in it on June 1--no use evaluating the biggest free agent acquisition of the White Sox' offseason.


No problem with criticizing his rotten performance. I do. But setting up a childish poll like this when there is still time for him to break out and help the team? Moronic.

SOXSINCE'70
06-01-2011, 08:25 PM
If White Sox fans think Adam Dunn is a bust, what do the faithful at Fenway think of Carl Crawford??:scratch:

Just asking.

NLaloosh
06-01-2011, 09:20 PM
Well in all fairness, all of his teams have usually be 7-8 games back on June 1st in his career. He's used to losing. Never been on a 500 or better team in his career. ANd the 0-38 against lefties is abysmal.

Don't confuse us with the facts.

The truth is that Dunn is going to play better than he has. The truth also is that it was an overpay to begin with and he will not be worth that contract and it will go down in Sox history as a bad ill-advised deal.

He is just not a very good baseball player and even if he were hitting .250 with 12 home runs right now he wouldn't be worth a 4 yr. $ 56 mil deal. I argued at the time that the Sox couldn't possibly pay him more than Konerko when Paulie is clearly a better baseball player and I always got the same argument back - You're crazy Dunn can hit 40 home runs.

You know what, Dunn might end up this season with 40 home runs but he's still a bad baseball player and no way is he close to being Paul Konerko. He's just not worth a lot of money. He's not a difference maker - never has been and never will be. There's just far too many things lacking in his approach to the game as well as many babseball skills that he does not possess - clutch hitting being a glaring one.

Oh, did I forget to mention that the Sox also, in addition to the fortune of cash, also gave up a first round draft pick for this ? This deal and the Peavy deal are undoubtedly the 2 worst in the 40 years that I've been following the Sox. Past that I'm not sure.

DSpivack
06-01-2011, 09:37 PM
If White Sox fans think Adam Dunn is a bust, what do the faithful at Fenway think of Carl Crawford??:scratch:

Just asking.

They might be thinking the AL Player of the Week is finally starting to heat up.

34rancher
06-04-2011, 11:23 AM
Congrats Adam, he got a hit vs. A lefty. He now has one more hit this season against leftys than I do!!! His .024 average vs leftys is awesome compared to what I have the last decade. Keep it up Adam and maybe you'll heat up to .050. Yeah baby.

fox23
06-04-2011, 11:56 AM
If White Sox fans think Adam Dunn is a bust, what do the faithful at Fenway think of Carl Crawford??:scratch:

Just asking.


Who cares?

NLaloosh
06-04-2011, 10:54 PM
We stop focusing on Adam Dunn and think about who the Sox are going to get in the first round of the draft!

34rancher
06-05-2011, 08:24 AM
We stop focusing on Adam Dunn and think about who the Sox are going to get in the first round of the draft!

I thout we lost that pick on the Dunn signing?

24thStFan
06-05-2011, 10:12 AM
short pants

Gavin
06-05-2011, 11:08 AM
On the plus side, I read on the internet that there's no way he can possibly continue to be this bad. I think that was on like May 8th.

Hitmen77
06-05-2011, 11:13 AM
I thout we lost that pick on the Dunn signing?

I think that's the joke he's making.

TommyJohn
06-05-2011, 11:41 AM
On the plus side, I read on the internet that there's no way he can possibly continue to be this bad. I think that was on like May 8th.


Well, then let's just continue to say he'll suck all year.

34rancher
06-05-2011, 01:08 PM
I think that's the joke he's making.

i didn't know if he was serious or not. I'm so used to the :tealpolice:

showing up. I get it now. I just wonder how many more "It's June 1st" arguments we will endure. Probably 3 more: 2012, 2013, 2014.

He has a real shot at the MLB record for K's in a season...

soxfan1965
06-21-2011, 12:38 PM
There were a lot of red flags from the Nats fans about "Big Donkey", who struck out 3 times last night and is on target to set the MLB record for K's in a season. "Dunn wants 4-years/$60 million: If true, it is absolutely insane for a 30-year old masher who strikes out just as much as he puts the ball in play. His defense is below average to average at best and the National League doesn’t DH so why the Nats would pay for one, I have no idea. Thinking about it, he might actually be able to get that sort of deal– but not in D.C. He shouldn’t." And "The Nats have already experienced the Masher Illusion (i.e. Big Donkey) in Alfonso $oriano in 2006. The Cincinnati Reds did too, for years, but they were able to free themselves, not be anchored down by one player and now look at them: relevant, young, exciting, competing".
http://www.natsnq.com/?tag=adam-dunn
There's a lot more negative stuff than this, and KW is a donkey for signing him, as a lure to get PK to resign. Now that the Sox are stuck with "BD" for 3.5 years, the only positives I see is he seems to be croching down more when batting, and maybe Thomas can work with him to be a big man who can be a disciplined hitter. He should probably come back next year in much better shape.

KMcMahon817
06-21-2011, 01:10 PM
Dunn sure has been tough to watch this season. But, I'm not ready to totally give up on him. He's always struck out alot, so those haven't really surprised me.

I still think he'll figure it out in the second half and end up with 80+ RBI and 30 or so HRs. Fearless predictions, I know.

Noneck
06-21-2011, 02:21 PM
I still think he'll figure it out in the second half and end up with 80+ RBI and 30 or so HRs. Fearless predictions, I know.

That will mean nothing if the Sox are just playing out the string by then.

fram40
06-21-2011, 05:49 PM
Biggest bust since either Jake Peavy or Alex Rios. Take your pick. Or maybe Beckham as a 1st round pick.

Add Pierre to the list of underperformers and it is pretty easy to understand why this team is so damn disappointing.

Sox
06-21-2011, 07:37 PM
There's still the second half of the season for Dunn to turn things around. But having said that I do not believe that Dunn is the biggest best ever. I would have to say that I voted for Nick Swisher. I haven't completely lost hope yet that Dunn hasn't had his best days as a Sox player yet.

A. Cavatica
06-21-2011, 08:35 PM
As of today?

I'd have to say he's the biggest one ever. He is the most expensive FA we've ever signed (or close to it, I didn't fact-check) and his performance is so bad that most of us would rather have Dayan.

34rancher
06-21-2011, 08:55 PM
There's still the second half of the season for Dunn to turn things around. But having said that I do not believe that Dunn is the biggest best ever. I would have to say that I voted for Nick Swisher. I haven't completely lost hope yet that Dunn hasn't had his best days as a Sox player yet.

Second half of what? The year? The contract? His life?

LITTLE NELL
06-21-2011, 08:59 PM
As of today?

I'd have to say he's the biggest one ever. He is the most expensive FA we've ever signed (or close to it, I didn't fact-check) and his performance is so bad that most of us would rather have Dayan.

At this point I'd rather have Kotsay.
It's hard to believe that Dunn could be this bad.

Sox
06-21-2011, 09:27 PM
Second half of what? The year? The contract? His life?

The year. I know that it looks really bad. And it is really bad right now for Adam Dunn. I would hate the fact that for the contract that Dunn signed that Dunns bat isn't producing more runs or contributing offensively. A good batting coach would be working on Dunns swings or something. I don't know. I'm just throwing a guess around. If Adam does get it together WSI'ers here will be singing a different tune and understandably so. You really have to feel bad for the guy in some respects. It's not like he doesn't hear the boos. I think that at this point its just as hard for him as it is for the fans to watch him take swings.

Frater Perdurabo
06-21-2011, 09:53 PM
Either way this is an indictment of Walker.

If Walker is not working with Dunn, why not? Does he have to strike out in every plate appearance?

If Walker is working with Dunn, he's doing a terrible job.

Sox
06-21-2011, 10:06 PM
Either way this is an indictment of Walker.

If Walker is not working with Dunn, why not? Does he have to strike out in every plate appearance?

If Walker is working with Dunn, he's doing a terrible job.

I couldn't agree with you more. If Walkers not doing his job he should be fired and the Sox should get a decent hitting coach who can look at Dunn's swing and see if there is something that can be fixed.

34rancher
06-22-2011, 12:19 AM
I'd rather play right field out than have Dunn on my team. What a pathetic pickup.

billyvsox
06-22-2011, 12:29 AM
I'd rather play right field out than have Dunn on my team. What a pathetic pickup.

IMO there is no one even close. Dunn is easily the biggest bust ever. Plus he dosent even seem to give a s**t about it. Only plays for the money, not stats, not wins, nothing. A total bum since he made that quote in Arizona in my book.

If I had to name one close though, I would say Todd Ritchie.

Crooked Number
06-22-2011, 12:31 AM
"The Blind Squirrel" now 0 for 8 in this series. Even if players are having a bad season, most are remembered for getting a big hit in crosstown games.

I was really hoping he could have one or two bombs this series, because it is a showcase one. If he did it would have went a long way to getting himself and the fans back.

Soxman219
06-22-2011, 12:35 AM
Dunn is hilariously pathetic

sox1970
06-22-2011, 12:41 AM
I don't see why they couldn't come up with some fake injury, send him home for a couple weeks, and see ya after the break.

The Immigrant
06-22-2011, 12:54 AM
I don't see why they couldn't come up with some fake injury, send him home for a couple weeks, and see ya after the break.

I think they're trying to shame him into early retirement.

MetroPD
06-22-2011, 01:02 AM
I've said it before but I have to say it again, he's George Bell.

Nellie_Fox
06-22-2011, 01:13 AM
I've said it before but I have to say it again, he's George Bell.Are you kidding? I'd be THRILLED if Dunn produced a season like Bell had for the Sox in '92. He won't come close to that, and he's already got almost as many K's as Bell had for the whole year.

Lip Man 1
06-22-2011, 01:22 AM
Bell actually led the Sox in RBI's (not Big Hurt) in 92 with 112 and I think he had something like almost 70 RBI's in 93 despite missing a decent amount of time with a leg injury, if memory serves.

Nellie's right, I'd take either of those from Dunn right now myself.

Lip

34rancher
06-22-2011, 07:44 AM
For everyone who was "it's only may" "it's only June"-------
The summer solstice has passed, now can we call him a wasted signing and a bust?

TomBradley72
06-22-2011, 08:12 AM
I'd rather play right field out than have Dunn on my team. What a pathetic pickup.

Yep- I don't blame Walker- the blame goes with KW.

He's a career .230's hitter vs. LH's, w/RISP and strikes out 200X/year. With all the "hackers" we already had in this line up- we did not need another one. This "slump" is becoming epic- but even his career norms are not that great for a DH.

TomBradley72
06-22-2011, 08:13 AM
I've said it before but I have to say it again, he's George Bell.

More like Cory Snyder.

34rancher
06-22-2011, 08:16 AM
Think JD would unretire? Heck, frank would be light years ahead of our production at dh. Who woulda believed we would be yearning for dh by last years committee?

LITTLE NELL
06-22-2011, 09:29 AM
Dunn does not deserve to play, I don't care how much we are paying him, he is killing us with 3 strikeouts a game. Bring the Tank up and let him DH.

Chez
06-22-2011, 10:14 AM
Dunn really has defied the Law of Averages with his performance this year. Like most fans, I keep waiting for him to break out of it -- I choose him as my PTC nearly every game thinking that I can help him with good karma!! There's no way he can sustain this level of ineptness all season, can he?! As for the poll, I voted for Jaime Navarro He was really horrible and kind of a turd to boot.

Max Power
06-22-2011, 10:41 AM
On the plus side, I read on the internet that there's no way he can possibly continue to be this bad. I think that was on like May 8th.

I read something a couple of weeks ago quoting unnamed MLB scouts saying Dunn "looked good" and "the hits would start coming soon." Both then and now I thought it was pretty obvious he looked terrible and he would continue to rack up strikeouts. Maybe I'm qualified to be an MLB scout, at least an unnamed one.

To make matters worse we have DV tearing up the IL. I wonder how he feels about this situation. I'd wager dollars to donuts he would do better than Dunn right now.

downstairs
06-22-2011, 10:45 AM
Albert Belle??? Maybe you need to look back at his numbers from the two years he was here.

HebrewHammer
06-22-2011, 10:53 AM
Adam Dunn....can't hit. He's more lost than Bad Carlos ever was.

As far as a historical comparison, I guess I'd go with David Wells. Wells was supposed to be an ace, but he went from bad to hurt. Dunn should be hitting the DL with some ailment in a couple weeks if the pattern holds true.

Noneck
06-22-2011, 10:53 AM
I read something a couple of weeks ago quoting unnamed MLB scouts saying Dunn "looked good" and "the hits would start coming soon."

Were these the same scouts that said Beckham was a cant miss?

Danryan
06-22-2011, 11:05 AM
We are all disappointed with his production so far. But I think we should give Adam a standing ovation for support. Don't you think he is trying? The money and playing time has been committed. Maybe a gesture of support may help him relax.

34rancher
06-22-2011, 12:05 PM
Adam Dunn....can't hit. He's more lost than Bad Carlos ever was.

As far as a historical comparison, I guess I'd go with David Wells. Wells was supposed to be an ace, but he went from bad to hurt. Dunn should be hitting the DL with some ailment in a couple weeks if the pattern holds true.

I really wanted wells to do well. I have the first ball he used at the cell in a sox uniform. I caught the first foul ball of the game off the second pitch. One of about 15 I have caught.

34rancher
06-22-2011, 12:06 PM
We are all disappointed with his production so far. But I think we should give Adam a standing ovation for support. Don't you think he is trying? The money and playing time has been committed. Maybe a gesture of support may help him relax.

Relax? As I said before, someone needs to get him drunk one night. Either that or slip him some exlax.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-22-2011, 12:41 PM
I'd like to give Dunn more time, but given the list in the poll, I had to vote for Koch. Although he wasn't listed, I would like to nominate Royce Clayton. That guy was terrible with us. Older WSI posters will remember his "The Choice" nickname.
:thechoice

VeeckAsInWreck
06-22-2011, 12:42 PM
Albert Belle??? Maybe you need to look back at his numbers from the two years he was here.

His first year with us was a disappointment, but his second was awesome. He still holds the single season HR record for us.

SI1020
06-22-2011, 12:57 PM
Were these the same scouts that said Beckham was a cant miss? He was until someone or something totally messed up his swing.

enurb
06-22-2011, 01:35 PM
I honestly think we'd be better off sending Ozzie up to bat. Oh wait, we've got Pierre for that.

Domeshot17
06-22-2011, 01:44 PM
He was until someone or something totally messed up his swing.

Actually, Gordon was doubted by some. Plenty felt in college that he generated a good deal of his power from the hitch in his swing which would not play well in the pros. Personally would have taken Smoak but those 2 were a coinflip at that point.

sullythered
06-22-2011, 01:47 PM
Actually, Gordon was doubted by some. Plenty felt in college that he generated a good deal of his power from the hitch in his swing which would not play well in the pros. Personally would have taken Smoak but those 2 were a coinflip at that point.

Didn't he have way more success in the majors with the hitch in his swing?

Hitmen77
06-22-2011, 02:38 PM
More like Cory Snyder.

Cory Snyder only has one vote in this poll, but I do remember him being a total flop for the White Sox. At least we didn't give up much to get him:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/snydeco02.shtml

Oh, and as of this morning:
:tomatoaward

jdm2662
06-22-2011, 03:06 PM
Cory Snyder only has one vote in this poll, but I do remember him being a total flop for the White Sox. At least we didn't give up much to get him:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/snydeco02.shtml

Oh, and as of this morning:
:tomatoaward


This was my first game at new Comiskey:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA199105070.shtml

I have very fond memories of Cory Synder striking out four times that game. I was in eighth grade and my brother was in sixth. My Dad didn't want to wait any longer and we left after the 11th. We saw fireworks just as we got to our car. We found out Sosa hit a walk off HR in the bottom of the 12th.

white sox bill
06-22-2011, 04:14 PM
Bell actually led the Sox in RBI's (not Big Hurt) in 92 with 112 and I think he had something like almost 70 RBI's in 93 despite missing a decent amount of time with a leg injury, if memory serves.

Nellie's right, I'd take either of those from Dunn right now myself.

Lip
Would that be Belle or Bell?

Lip Man 1
06-23-2011, 12:20 AM
Bill:

George Bell. Albert didn't come along until 1997.

--------------------------------

Hitmen:

And there was a pretty good reason Cory was a bust.

Read the interview with him at WSI. Apparently the issue was him and Hriniak and he mentions some other Sox players who couldn't stand him. Not saying it justifies anything, he should still have performed but apparently things were pretty bad:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=11&id=1689

Lip

Nellie_Fox
06-23-2011, 01:00 AM
We are all disappointed with his production so far. But I think we should give Adam a standing ovation for support. Don't you think he is trying? The money and playing time has been committed. Maybe a gesture of support may help him relax.I'm opposed to booing players on your own team (except for dogging it) and I want Dunn to succeed now that he's here, but a standing ovation? No way.

balke
06-23-2011, 07:50 AM
We are all disappointed with his production so far. But I think we should give Adam a standing ovation for support. Don't you think he is trying? The money and playing time has been committed. Maybe a gesture of support may help him relax.

If he's trying I can't really tell. Last quote I heard was that he won't let anyone help him with his mechanics - because he's always just felt it out. Sounds like Brian Anderson.

He also came in with a defeatist attitude about this DH thing and I feel like he's brought this on himself. I'll cheer when he contributes to the team. This isn't a young Borchard struggling in the minors to make a name for himself - this is a paid professional who should know at the very least how to hit a dead red fastball.

LITTLE NELL
06-23-2011, 08:37 AM
Biggest bust since the Edsel.

TomBradley72
06-23-2011, 09:09 AM
If he's trying I can't really tell. Last quote I heard was that he won't let anyone help him with his mechanics - because he's always just felt it out. Sounds like Brian Anderson.

He also came in with a defeatist attitude about this DH thing and I feel like he's brought this on himself. I'll cheer when he contributes to the team. This isn't a young Borchard struggling in the minors to make a name for himself - this is a paid professional who should know at the very least how to hit a dead red fastball.

Based on Dunn's career stats- I'm not convinced he's worth the money even if he's performing at career average (too many strike outs, too low of a batting average w/RISP- just my opinion).

But I'm not very impressed with his overall approach- doesn't touch a bat all winter, doesn't seem to put much effort into conditioning- might have been OK when he was younger- but at age 31 could be an issue, "hadn't thought about" not being able to hit in NL parks in interleague play, interview yesterday, he said "it's just an occupation- not going to define me as a person"- or something like that, way too much angst over the DH role.

When you sign a contract for $54M- I would hope you step up your work ethic, your conditioning, etc.- I am not optimistic at all that he'll return to his career norms this year. Age, different league/better pitching, DH role- and a June that is as bad as April or May.

Alexei4president
06-23-2011, 11:34 AM
OK first off he hasnt even played a full year lets hold off the bust crap...and to the man atop me..ya strikeouts suck but how can u pass this up:19,26,27,46,40,40,40,40,32,8,38,38...no mATTER the strikeouts u just cant pass up on that homerun production..dont worry he will shape up..its called a slump..u dont just go from producing around 35 homeruns a year to nothing..it just wont happen....unless ur melvin mora :tongue:

TomBradley72
06-23-2011, 11:46 AM
OK first off he hasnt even played a full year lets hold off the bust crap...and to the man atop me..ya strikeouts suck but how can u pass this up:19,26,27,46,40,40,40,40,32,8,38,38...no mATTER the strikeouts u just cant pass up on that homerun production..dont worry he will shape up..its called a slump..u dont just go from producing around 35 homeruns a year to nothing..it just wont happen....unless ur melvin mora :tongue:

Yes you can pass up the HR counts- Rob Deer was a good example- with all the other wasted ABs that come with it- and combined with the number of hackers/free swingers already in the line up. Personally- what I want most from a DH is a good batting average w/RISP. The best DHs we've had (Thome, Thomas, Baines, Luzinski) all had batting averages around .280+ w/RISP- Dunn's career of .235 w/RISP has been a red flag since the Sox started looking at acquiring him last summer.

A month is a slump- we're almost to the All Star break and he's looked as bad in June as he did in April and May- no sign of improvement.

I hope I'm wrong.

PeteWard
06-23-2011, 11:59 AM
Is it bat speed? I keep seeing him taking embarrassingly late cuts on FBs down the pipe but since I don't see every game maybe this is a coincidence?

Sox
06-23-2011, 12:36 PM
Is it bat speed? I keep seeing him taking embarrassingly late cuts on FBs down the pipe but since I don't see every game maybe this is a coincidence?


Only his hitting coach knows for sure and right now I'm not sure of that even.

34rancher
06-23-2011, 04:40 PM
OK first off he hasnt even played a full year lets hold off the bust crap...and to the man atop me..ya strikeouts suck but how can u pass this up:19,26,27,46,40,40,40,40,32,8,38,38...no mATTER the strikeouts u just cant pass up on that homerun production..dont worry he will shape up..its called a slump..u dont just go from producing around 35 homeruns a year to nothing..it just wont happen....unless ur melvin mora :tongue:

That's if you believe the hr is that important. I for one think it is the single most overrated statistic out there. Especially if it comes with no one on base and in pyric victories. I would rather have a high average contact hitter who can put the ball in play (less than 40 k's a year), hit behind runners, is able to steal bases and be a leader in the clubhouse.
What I don't want is a Ryan Howard, Adam Dunn designated out who strand runners on base the like they're allergic to oxygen. I want to hear, they work out in the offseason and try to improve their craft when they make more than the budget of the local school district. Pick up a damn bat during the offseason and try. It's part of what endeared so many to frank was his desire to get better. The humbleness of a thome to admit mistakes. He's an ass as far as I'm concerned. Send it to the minors to learn some work ethic. This is the blue collar southside. We work hard for our money, and we expect him to also. He's lazy and I have NO IDEA why anyone would want him on their team.

balke
06-24-2011, 12:00 AM
Is it bat speed? I keep seeing him taking embarrassingly late cuts on FBs down the pipe but since I don't see every game maybe this is a coincidence?

Article in Sun Times today - Walk says he has bat speed and a fantstic eye. They are working on pitch recognition and picking his pitch - but that's not the problem.

Walker says the problem is simple and is in his stance - needs to open up his body to hit.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/6123434-419/adam-dunn-tired-of-talking-about-slump.html

Thing I caught is he used the word "trying" when discussing getting Dunn to get his body ready - as if he isn't taking advice.

CLUBHOUSE KID
06-24-2011, 01:11 AM
Brian Anderson, Rob Mackhowiak, Alex Cintron.

Sorry, 2006 hurts me.

wassagstdu
06-24-2011, 06:22 PM
Since Jayson Werth seems to be a bust with the Nats (we'll see) how about exchanging busts, Dunn for Werth? I'd do that in a minute, even though Werth is as overpaid as Dunn. I think the Nats may regret paying Werth instead of Dunn, and could go for a do-over. Both will eventually revert to their normal production, and I would rather have Werth.

DSpivack
06-24-2011, 06:51 PM
Since Jayson Werth seems to be a bust with the Nats (we'll see) how about exchanging busts, Dunn for Werth? I'd do that in a minute, even though Werth is as overpaid as Dunn. I think the Nats may regret paying Werth instead of Dunn, and could go for a do-over. Both will eventually revert to their normal production, and I would rather have Werth.

Werth has a much worse contract.

Soxman219
06-26-2011, 05:13 PM
100 K's before the break. :(:

Hitmen77
06-26-2011, 05:56 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if there is something physically wrong with "The Big Sombrero".

Another 4 Ks today. 100 Ks in 231 ABs and 67 games played and hitting .173.:o:

Ugh. To answer this poll's question right now, I don't think I can remember a veteran starting player who joined the White Sox and stunk this badly over an entire half a season. Absolutely brutal.

Seriously, is his vision okay? :dunno:

NLaloosh
06-26-2011, 07:12 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if there is something physically wrong with "The Big Sombrero".

Another 4 Ks today. 100 Ks in 231 ABs and 67 games played and hitting .173.:o:

Ugh. To answer this poll's question right now, I don't think I can remember a veteran starting player who joined the White Sox and stunk this badly over an entire half a season. Absolutely brutal.

Seriously, is his vision okay? :dunno:

I agree with you. He should be given a complete physical.

Harry Potter
06-26-2011, 07:38 PM
I agree with you. He should be given a complete physical.

And someone needs to donate that man an appendix. Stat!

NLaloosh
06-26-2011, 09:51 PM
I'm serious though. I would not be surprised to find some physical problem with him. I didn't think he was gonna be the answer for the Sox and I felt they way overpaid for him but I never expected play this bad.

There could truly be some issue and I hope it isn't serious but if they haven't done it yet the Sox should.

balke
06-26-2011, 10:02 PM
I'm serious though. I would not be surprised to find some physical problem with him. I didn't think he was gonna be the answer for the Sox and I felt they way overpaid for him but I never expected play this bad.

He's swinging the bat just fine and I never see him grimace. He's just missing the ball by about 6 inches with every swing. He's also not swinging at fastballs down the heart of the plate... I think he's afraid to swing if its not the pitch he's guessing on. He is lost.

Even when he's swinging like he should - he'll just be a .240 hitter and it won't fix the offense. He'll still not be the guy who should be hitting behind PK. If anything - I'm hoping he can just get good enough to where he can sac fly some runners in - something noone seems to be able to do on this team.


Viciedo has to come up. You have the guy with the OBP. You have the MVPesque hitter - its time to get the guy who just smashes the ball hard and puts it in play. Rios looks to me like he figured it out. Could be contenders if this is true.

Jollyroger2
06-27-2011, 10:06 AM
He's swinging the bat just fine and I never see him grimace. He's just missing the ball by about 6 inches with every swing. He's also not swinging at fastballs down the heart of the plate... I think he's afraid to swing if its not the pitch he's guessing on. He is lost.

Even when he's swinging like he should - he'll just be a .240 hitter and it won't fix the offense. He'll still not be the guy who should be hitting behind PK. If anything - I'm hoping he can just get good enough to where he can sac fly some runners in - something noone seems to be able to do on this team.


Viciedo has to come up. You have the guy with the OBP. You have the MVPesque hitter - its time to get the guy who just smashes the ball hard and puts it in play. Rios looks to me like he figured it out. Could be contenders if this is true.

I said this in the game thread yesterday but I watched the game here in the DC area on the Nationals network Friday & Saturday, giving myself a weekend off from Harrelson. But also to get their perspective on Dunn. They said even in BP he was swinging with much less force than when he was in Washington, he even missed on several BP pitches. When he did make contact, it normally was simply popped up into the cage. Like he's just up there waving and hoping it the bat hits something.

They also hinted, more like danced around the fact, that he was looking a little heavier than when he was in DC. To a man they all thought he would snap out of this sooner rather than later but one wonders as it's nearly July and he looks totally lost up there.

Either way, he's a dead hole in the lineup.

Lip Man 1
06-27-2011, 12:20 PM
Ozzie today in the newspaper stories when asked about Dunn said "he has to play" then explained that because of his salary the White Sox have no choice. Ozzie also said that all he can do is keep playing him and hope he comes out of it.

Lip

JermaineDye05
06-27-2011, 12:22 PM
Ozzie today in the newspaper stories when asked about Dunn said "he has to play" then explained that because of his salary the White Sox have no choice. Ozzie also said that all he can do is keep playing him and hope he comes out of it.

Lip

That's pretty much it. I mean we have him for three more seasons. You can't just bench him.

You have to hope that this first half of the season has been an aberration and that he'll come out of it before his contract is up.

doublem23
06-27-2011, 12:26 PM
That's pretty much it. I mean we have him for three more seasons. You can't just bench him.

You have to hope that this first half of the season has been an aberration and that he'll come out of it before his contract is up.

Yes, plus, I know it's hard to imagine watching him play, but his potential if he ever figures out what he's doing is sky-high.

JermaineDye05
06-27-2011, 12:29 PM
Yes, plus, I know it's hard to imagine watching him play, but his potential if he ever figures out what he's doing is sky-high.

Agreed.

soxfan1965
06-27-2011, 12:35 PM
Maybe you have to move him down in the lineup, but from an owners/managers perspective, you have to play him every day to justify his pay. Looking at his rather large picture in the Tribune sports front page today, he doesn't look like he's in shape or the picture of health. Maybe he has health issues since the operation. I don't think Pete Ward was the same player after his car accident, and on the north side Hee Seop Choi wasn't the same player after his collision with Kerry Wood. One really doesn't know at this point for Dunn.

doublem23
06-27-2011, 12:36 PM
Maybe you have to move him down in the lineup, but from an owners/managers perspective, you have to play him every day to justify his pay. Looking at his rather large picture in the Tribune sports front page today, he doesn't look like he's in shape or the picture of health. Maybe he has health issues since the operation. I don't think Pete Ward was the same player after his car accident, and on the north side Hee Seop Choi wasn't the same player after his collision with Kerry Wood. One really doesn't know at this point for Dunn.

Maybe the appendix is the organ that helps you hit a baseball

eriqjaffe
06-27-2011, 01:00 PM
Joe Posnanski's take on Dunn: "The Least Exciting Player Ever". Good read, as usual from JoePos.

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/06/27/the-least-exciting-player-ever/

TomBradley72
06-27-2011, 01:03 PM
Ozzie today in the newspaper stories when asked about Dunn said "he has to play" then explained that because of his salary the White Sox have no choice. Ozzie also said that all he can do is keep playing him and hope he comes out of it.

Lip

At some point they need to have the balls to prioritize winning the Division over Dunn's contract, etc.

We have zero chance of winning the division with a DH peforming at this level.

Phase 1- He sits against ALL lefties, including relievers- 1/50 says it all. I would implement this immediately. I would also let him know he won't be starting in Denver or Wrigley- there is no way Paulie sits for this guy to work out his problems.

Phase 2- Sits against righties as well (Teahen DHs)- he gets 1-2 starts/week until the funk is over.

Beyond winning the Division- this is also having a financial impact- White Sox fans aren't like the lemmings on the north side- only 23,000 for a Sunday afternoon game in June? They HAVE to start winning to get attendance up- their slow/stubborn response to Dunn and Pierre is impacting the product on the field- the fans know it- and are staying home- we're drawing about the same as Houston- maybe the worst team in MLB.

Sox
06-27-2011, 01:03 PM
Maybe the appendix is the organ that helps you hit a baseball

:rolling:

102605
06-27-2011, 01:09 PM
Dunn is seriously having close to the worst season any batter has ever had.

Nelfox02
06-27-2011, 01:11 PM
At some point they need to have the balls to prioritize winning the Division over Dunn's contract, etc.

We have zero chance of winning the division with a DH peforming at this level.

Phase 1- He sits against ALL lefties, including relievers- 1/50 says it all. I would implement this immediately. I would also let him know he won't be starting in Denver or Wrigley- there is no way Paulie sits for this guy to work out his problems.

Phase 2- Sits against righties as well (Teahen DHs)- he gets 1-2 starts/week until the funk is over.

Beyond winning the Division- this is also having a financial impact- White Sox fans aren't like the lemmings on the north side- only 23,000 for a Sunday afternoon game in June? They HAVE to start winning to get attendance up- their slow/stubborn response to Dunn and Pierre is impacting the product on the field- the fans know it- and are staying home- we're drawing about the same as Houston- maybe the worst team in MLB.

Amen to that.....but it wont happen. And that really stinks.

soxfan1965
06-27-2011, 02:32 PM
Maybe the appendix is the organ that helps you hit a baseball

Could be, but maybe they need a lady in white to stand up in the stands while Dunn bats.

NLaloosh
06-27-2011, 03:35 PM
Two things:

1. Dunn went a whole season once witout a sacrfice fly. Think about that for a flyball hitter. He was never a good clutch hitter which is why he only drove in 100 runs with 40 homers. Which is why I said from the beginning that he wasn't worth what the Sox gave up to get him.

2. Ozzie is right. They do need to keep playing him. They have almost no chance to win the divsion if he doesn't start hitting like he used to at some point. HOWEVER, Ozzie does not have to keep batting him 5th and watch all of these rallys be killed. That's just dumb - move him down!

eriqjaffe
06-27-2011, 05:21 PM
HOWEVER, Ozzie does not have to keep batting him 5th and watch all of these rallys be killed. That's just dumb - move him down!His OBP is only .003 worse than Pierre's, so maybe he should be moved up, just to get him out of the way quicker.

Sox
06-27-2011, 10:59 PM
Dunn is seriously having close to the worst season any batter has ever had.

Close? Not even close anymore...I believe that Dunn has already Dunn passed that milestone half a season ago.

Foulke You
06-28-2011, 01:46 AM
Two things:

1. Dunn went a whole season once witout a sacrfice fly. Think about that for a flyball hitter. He was never a good clutch hitter which is why he only drove in 100 runs with 40 homers. Which is why I said from the beginning that he wasn't worth what the Sox gave up to get him
The lack of sac fly balls from a guy like Dunn means nothing to me. When you hit 40 HRs, a lot of those fly balls are carrying over the fence. What is better? 40 HRs and 0 sac flies or 25 HRs and 10 sac flies? I happen to like the HRs better. The Sox brought Dunn here as a DH, not to hit sac flies, but to blast the ball out of the yard and hit it in the gap. He simply isn't doing that. If he were, none of this ultra analysis of Dunn's hitting style would be going on right now. I'm sure KW and Rick Hahn knew exactly the type of hitter he was and that is why they brought him here. Nobody around baseball could have predicted this massive slump that Dunn has spiraled into. The Sox have a premier slugger who isn't slugging and is mired in the worst slump of his life. It's as simple as that.

Railsplitter
06-28-2011, 10:17 AM
No Dave Nicholson, kevin Bell or Ron Bloomberg on the list of sox Busts?

BigKlu59
06-28-2011, 01:14 PM
I vote for Rocky Colovito and Ken Boyer... At least when we got Callison back he could still mash..

BK59

Lip Man 1
06-28-2011, 01:20 PM
Callison never played for the Sox after he was traded. He played for the Phillies, Cubs and Yankees.

Lip

BigKlu59
06-28-2011, 01:50 PM
Callison never played for the Sox after he was traded. He played for the Phillies, Cubs and Yankees.

Lip

Whoop's wrong pinstripes... Could have sworn he came home.. Where are those car keys?....

BK59

TomBradley72
06-28-2011, 01:59 PM
No Dave Nicholson, kevin Bell or Ron Bloomberg on the list of sox Busts?

Bell had a bad knee injury so that's tough to judge.

Bloomberg was a pretty bad signing- no one else would have given him anywhere near the contract Veeck gave him.

34rancher
07-01-2011, 03:54 PM
It's June 1. What a moronic thread. :rolleyes:

It's July 1st. Still a moronic thread? Will it be on August 1st too?

Boondock Saint
07-01-2011, 04:21 PM
It's July 1st. Still a moronic thread? Will it be on August 1st too?

It's his 1st ****ing season here. But let's go ahead and judge the entirety of his four years here based off of the first three months. This thread won't stop sucking for a long, long time, if ever.

spawn
07-01-2011, 04:23 PM
It's July 1st. Still a moronic thread? Will it be on August 1st too?
Yes and yes.

34rancher
07-01-2011, 04:31 PM
It's his 1st ****ing season here. But let's go ahead and judge the entirety of his four years here based off of the first three months. This thread won't stop sucking for a long, long time, if ever.

There is one way that it will end. And it's going to take a massive turn around by him. I just hope that this season has convinced him that he needs to work out in the off season and get a conditioning coach.

And no offense, but the argument that this is the first season is ridiculous for a 12th year guy who just signed a 56 million dollar contract. If he were a 3-4 year guy, I could say hey, maybe. But for an aging veteran who has seen a lot of this game, that is not a good argument. I hope he turns it around, but I just don't see it.

blandman
07-01-2011, 04:33 PM
It's his 1st ****ing season here. But let's go ahead and judge the entirety of his four years here based off of the first three months. This thread won't stop sucking for a long, long time, if ever.

And how old will he be in those last two years?

This team is built win now. Dunn was given that contract to produce now. You accept with his kind of deal you're getting value for the first year, maybe two only because your window is now. Dunn's been embarrassingly bad for way too long. By the time he figures it out, if he figures it out, it will already have been a poor investment. It already IS a poor investment.

He could turn it around next year, but the team around him next year probably won't be as strong as the team around him now. He's here for now, not then. It's a failure.

Boondock Saint
07-01-2011, 04:35 PM
And no offense, but the argument that this is the first season is ridiculous for a 12th year guy who just signed a 56 million dollar contract. If he were a 3-4 year guy, I could say hey, maybe. But for an aging veteran who has seen a lot of this game, that is not a good argument. I hope he turns it around, but I just don't see it.

I'm not defending the guy, he's been absolutely awful. But there's no defending a "worst bust ever" thread after 3 months of play, let alone the two months it took to start the thread initially. It's horrendously knee-jerk.

doublem23
07-01-2011, 04:37 PM
And how old will he be in those last two years?

This team is built win now. Dunn was given that contract to produce now. You accept with his kind of deal you're getting value for the first year, maybe two only because your window is now. Dunn's been embarrassingly bad for way too long. By the time he figures it out, if he figures it out, it will already have been a poor investment. It already IS a poor investment.

He could turn it around next year, but the team around him next year probably won't be as strong as the team around him now. He's here for now, not then. It's a failure.

No he's actually here for now and then.

34rancher
07-01-2011, 04:40 PM
I'm not defending the guy, he's been absolutely awful. But there's no defending a "worst bust ever" thread after 3 months of play, let alone the two months it took to start the thread initially. It's horrendously knee-jerk.

I would normally agree with you, and it's just my opinion he's the most overrated lefty of my lifetime and I hate that we signed him then and now. It's others opinion he's going to turn it around. I hope, really really hope (fingers crossed) you are all right.

Boondock Saint
07-01-2011, 04:41 PM
And how old will he be in those last two years?

This team is built win now. Dunn was given that contract to produce now. You accept with his kind of deal you're getting value for the first year, maybe two only because your window is now. Dunn's been embarrassingly bad for way too long. By the time he figures it out, if he figures it out, it will already have been a poor investment. It already IS a poor investment.

He could turn it around next year, but the team around him next year probably won't be as strong as the team around him now. He's here for now, not then. It's a failure.

You don't start "greatest signing ever" threads after 2 months of performance because the guy isn't done playing yet, and a lot can change over the course of a season/contract. You don't start "biggest bust since" threads after 2 months of performance for the exact same reason.

MetroPD
07-01-2011, 10:40 PM
No he's actually here for now and then.
thats the only half of what makes this a scary ordeal, his contract is truly frightening. Sorry I know a lot of people here are wait and see types but Dunn is atrocious, he will not get much better than he is now. His monster homeruns are few and far between and his strikeouts and on base percentage are truly horrendous. Sorry I guess I'm just not a fan of his, I wasn't when we signed him and sure am not now as he is doing exactly what I thought he would do (acutally even worse). Maybe I'll eat crow if he turns it around, but I seriously doubt this.

rowand33
07-02-2011, 05:55 PM
thats the only half of what makes this a scary ordeal, his contract is truly frightening. Sorry I know a lot of people here are wait and see types but Dunn is atrocious, he will not get much better than he is now. His monster homeruns are few and far between and his strikeouts and on base percentage are truly horrendous. Sorry I guess I'm just not a fan of his, I wasn't when we signed him and sure am not now as he is doing exactly what I thought he would do (acutally even worse). Maybe I'll eat crow if he turns it around, but I seriously doubt this.

So, with a career .890 OPS and 7 straight seasons of at least 38 HR, you forecasted that he'd have the first sub-.800 OPS year of his career based on the fact that he strikes out a lot (something he has always done)?

Give me a ****ing break.

Dunn is obviously doing terrible, but anybody that says they saw this season coming is full of it.

blandman
07-02-2011, 06:16 PM
No he's actually here for now and then.

Yeah, but "then" he was expected to suck and we'll be in a reloading period. Turning it around then serves no purpose, and "around" at that age probably isn't all that good anyway.

soxfan1965
07-02-2011, 06:59 PM
Looking at Dunn bat today, maybe it was Garza, but he got behind in the count. If pitchers are gong to give Dunn stikes early, maybe he needs to change his tendancy to go deep into the count and go for the first pitches if they are strikes. As long as the bases are clear for the double play, what does he have to lose at this point?

34rancher
07-02-2011, 07:07 PM
So, with a career .890 OPS and 7 straight seasons of at least 38 HR, you forecasted that he'd have the first sub-.800 OPS year of his career based on the fact that he strikes out a lot (something he has always done)?

Give me a ****ing break.

Dunn is obviously doing terrible, but anybody that says they saw this season coming is full of it.

I saw it coming. Proof in the pudding. (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2655439#post2655439)


From the thread the day we signed him:

I hate this signing. What a waste of time and money. This guy is going to set franchise record for strikeouts. This is going to set the sox back 5 years with $$$ and first round pick. Kenny, what the **** are you thinking? This guy can't carry a team out of last place. What a dumb dumb move. I hate this just a little less than I hated the Peavy trade. I know I am in the minority, but we just cinched playoff-less baseball for the next 5 years....Guy is a career ****ing 250 hitter. What the hell are we thinking????

HATE HATE HATE.

Ok, how about 199 strikouts on a team where they could pitch around him? Or only 77 walks. Iwould rather have taken the money and gone after Paulie. Hate this trade. Hope I'm wrong. But I hate these moves...Losing the 1st rounder too?


I'm willing to admit we've gotten more from Peavy than I expected and he's been lights out when healthy, but I've disliked Dunn since day 1.

Boondock Saint
07-02-2011, 07:08 PM
Looking at Dunn bat today, maybe it was Garza, but he got behind in the count. If pitchers are gong to give Dunn stikes early, maybe he needs to change his tendancy to go deep into the count and go for the first pitches if they are strikes. As long as the bases are clear for the double play, what does he have to lose at this point?

Yeah, that's what we need, more guys who hack at the first pitch. Maybe the Sox can be the first team to hold a pitcher to under 50 pitches in a complete game effort.

rowand33
07-02-2011, 07:26 PM
I saw it coming. Proof in the pudding. (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2655439#post2655439)


From the thread the day we signed him:



I'm willing to admit we've gotten more from Peavy than I expected and he's been lights out when healthy, but I've disliked Dunn since day 1.

See, that's where you're wrong, you absolutely did not see this coming. You did not predict that his future performance with the Sox would be any different than his past performance. You just complained that you weren't interested in his past performance being on the team. That's not the same.

If you said "I think Dunn will set career lows in every category because he will struggle to adapt to being a DH" then I would concede that you saw it coming. But even with that argument, I don't think anyone would have guessed that Adam Dunn would have a sub-.700 OPS and be batting under .170 at this point in the season.

SI1020
07-02-2011, 08:02 PM
I saw it coming. Proof in the pudding. (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2655439#post2655439)


From the thread the day we signed him:



I'm willing to admit we've gotten more from Peavy than I expected and he's been lights out when healthy, but I've disliked Dunn since day 1. Congratulations for holding your own in that thread. This place can absolutely brutal on those who have the temerity to go against the prevailing wisdom of the moment. Then it gets worse after events prove you right after all. Also some credit for TDog. Both of you could see what most of the rest of us, including me, couldn't.

LITTLE NELL
07-02-2011, 08:24 PM
3 more SOs today by Dunn.
I don't think we can win the division with no production from our DH. We keep waiting for this guy to break out of this slump but I don't think it's going to happen.
Bring Viciedo up to DH so we might have to release Omar and just use Dunn as a pinch hitter and to give Paulie a day off once in a great while.
Hopefully Dunn finds his stroke in ST next year and is productive for us for the remainder of his contract.

MetroPD
07-02-2011, 11:29 PM
3 more SOs today by Dunn.
I don't think we can win the division with no production from our DH. We keep waiting for this guy to break out of this slump but I don't think it's going to happen.
Bring Viciedo up to DH so we might have to release Omar and just use Dunn as a pinch hitter and to give Paulie a day off once in a great while.
Hopefully Dunn finds his stroke in ST next year and is productive for us for the remainder of his contract.

Yeah we are barely treading water and we have recieved absolutely nothing from Dunn. With todays stats he is 2 for 33 with 19 strikeouts over his last 10 games..... For the love of all that is holy, sit him out and send him down, this guy is terrible.

soltrain21
07-02-2011, 11:36 PM
The fact that some of you think he can be sent to the minors is still hilarious.

Nellie_Fox
07-03-2011, 12:52 AM
The fact that some of you think he can be sent to the minors is still hilarious.Especially after the number of times it's been explained.

Dunn cannot be "sent down."
Rios cannot be "sent down."
Pierre cannot be "sent down."

Please jot it down for future reference.

LITTLE NELL
07-03-2011, 07:20 AM
Here is a good question, who will have more RBIs and the end of the season, Pierre or Dunn? I'll bet on Juan.

kufram
07-03-2011, 07:54 AM
I miss Mark Kotsay

103 screwball
07-03-2011, 08:48 AM
They need to put him in the field until he figures it out or get's hurt. Hope he figures it out, but it's getting to the point where the pitchers should just bat.

balke
07-03-2011, 10:21 AM
I miss Mark Kotsay

I miss Mark Kotsay. Today Dunn gets to make 2 errors at 1B, GIDP, and K 3 times. Sox get to sacrifice a game to try and bust a DH's slump. Can you tell this frustrates me? At least PK gets a break - rather see Teahan at 1B though.

Dick Allen
07-03-2011, 10:55 AM
I miss Mark Kotsay. Today Dunn gets to make 2 errors at 1B, GIDP, and K 3 times. Sox get to sacrifice a game to try and bust a DH's slump. Can you tell this frustrates me? At least PK gets a break - rather see Teahan at 1B though.PK got a break three days ago, don't see the need for Ozzie to do this. But Lopez is awful, so maybe THIS is the day Dunn will break out.

Madvora
07-03-2011, 10:58 AM
The idea of "what have you done for me lately" don't mean **** on this team. It's all about, "how much are we paying you for what you've done in the past." That's no reason for someone to keep their job. This guy is hurting the team. Make way for someone who can play.

kufram
07-03-2011, 11:07 AM
I'm not a fan of the Dunn style DH and I like the idea of rotating the position to rest 3 or 4 regulars. Ok, that didn't work very well last year because we didn't have a good enough ball player (Mark Kotsay). This year we have a prototype DH and that's even worse. Having said that I wanted Dunn to succeed and I think, even assume, he still will succeed but I see no evidence of that happening right now. It's not like he's hitting the ball hard at people.

I don't want Pierre to be replaced by Viciedo. I do want Dunn replaced by Viciedo for at least a 15 day period. Maybe we'd get some production from Viciedo and maybe Dunn could reboot.

After the ASB is when our season may be defined and we can't afford the at bats we're getting from Dunn.

fuzzy_patters
07-03-2011, 11:21 AM
One thing that I think a lot of people are forgetting is that this has happened in the past. Albert Belle struggled in his first half season with the Sox, and I can definitely remember him getting booed at home against the Mariners that season. Belle followed that up with a monster year and a half to complete his tenure with the Sox. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that Dunn would do the same. It is a common phenomenon for free agents to struggle after signing with their new team.

SI1020
07-03-2011, 11:35 AM
One thing that I think a lot of people are forgetting is that this has happened in the past. Albert Belle struggled in his first half season with the Sox, and I can definitely remember him getting booed at home against the Mariners that season. Belle followed that up with a monster year and a half to complete his tenure with the Sox. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that Dunn would do the same. It is a common phenomenon for free agents to struggle after signing with their new team. I wouldn't call what Dunn is doing struggling. It isn't even remotely close to that good.

enurb
07-03-2011, 12:33 PM
We may not be able to "send him down" to the minors. But, at least "send him down" in the lineup . . . to 9 against the AL, and to 8 against the NL. Ozzie is getting a free pass from most of you who buy into "let's just keep sending him out there, what else can we do." Even if you accept that, do you really want him hitting 3, 4, or 5 right now? He can't even make contact.

oldgrouch
07-03-2011, 02:55 PM
Heard someone on the radio this morning say that at 32 Dunn can't spend
the off season sitting in a deer stand and never pick up a bat and still
expect to perform. They said Mark Beurhle already figured this out.

LITTLE NELL
07-03-2011, 03:50 PM
Heard someone on the radio this morning say that at 32 Dunn can't spend
the off season sitting in a deer stand and never pick up a bat and still
expect to perform. They said Mark Beurhle already figured this out.

Did you mean beer stand? If not, whats a deer stand?

voodoochile
07-03-2011, 03:54 PM
Did you mean beer stand? If not, whats a deer stand?

Hunting blind for deer hunters.

LITTLE NELL
07-03-2011, 04:28 PM
Hunting blind for deer hunters.

Never hunted a day in my 65 years, so I did a Google on ''Deer Stands".
Some very nice ones for sale.

MetroPD
07-03-2011, 09:17 PM
I wouldn't call what Dunn is doing struggling. It isn't even remotely close to that good.
Thats signature line material right there.:D:

DickAllen72
07-03-2011, 09:42 PM
Adam Dunn is the Biggest Sox Bust Since..... (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=128279) Ever.

HaroMaster87
07-03-2011, 11:49 PM
Adam Dunn is the Biggest Sox Bust Since..... (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=128279) Ever.

/thread

howzer12
07-04-2011, 12:16 AM
This guy is a complete loser. He is the worst free agent signing in the history of sports. Very doubtful that he will finish the season hitting over
.180. He is stealing JR's money and should do the honorable thing and resign.

DonnieDarko
07-04-2011, 12:50 AM
This guy is a complete loser. He is the worst free agent signing in the history of sports. Very doubtful that he will finish the season hitting over
.180. He is stealing JR's money and should do the honorable thing and resign.

not sure if srs

white sox bill
07-04-2011, 08:31 AM
Having Dunn in the lineup reminds me of the National League. One automatic out. But its an we cant afford....

Max Power
07-04-2011, 11:15 AM
I wonder what the lowest season BA is for a batting title eligible player in the last twenty years or so. Dunn's is at .165 now. He'd have to go on a hot streak just to catch Dan Uggla at .175 for lowest BA this season.

LITTLE NELL
07-04-2011, 12:50 PM
I wonder what the lowest season BA is for a batting title eligible player in the last twenty years or so. Dunn's is at .165 now. He'd have to go on a hot streak just to catch Dan Uggla at .175 for lowest BA this season.

They will have to rename the Mendoza Line.

Crooked Number
07-04-2011, 12:59 PM
They will have to rename the Mendoza Line.

Mendunnza Line?

SI1020
07-04-2011, 01:20 PM
Never hunted a day in my 65 years, so I did a Google on ''Deer Stands".
Some very nice ones for sale. No deer and elk in the wilds of Rogers Park?

LITTLE NELL
07-04-2011, 01:26 PM
No deer and elk in the wilds of Rogers Park?

Actually we had a nice little zoo at Indian Boundary park on Lunt Ave and couple blocks west of Western ave. If you got up close and personal with the llamas, they would spit at you. Things you remember from your kid life.

SI1020
07-04-2011, 01:30 PM
Actually we had a nice little zoo at Indian Boundary park on Lunt Ave and couple blocks west of Western ave. If you got up close and personal with the llamas, they would spit at you. Things you remember from your kid life. It was still operating when my oldest two kids were toddlers. They loved going there.

TDog
07-04-2011, 03:36 PM
I wonder what the lowest season BA is for a batting title eligible player in the last twenty years or so. Dunn's is at .165 now. He'd have to go on a hot streak just to catch Dan Uggla at .175 for lowest BA this season.

The only everyday player that I noticed finishing last season with a batting average below .200 was Mark Reynolds with the Diamondbacks. He hit hit .198 in 499 at bats (596 plate appearances with 502 appearances needed to win the batting title). He led the National League with 211 strikeouts, well ahead of Dunn. He hit 36 home runs. The Diamondbacks traded him to the Orioles in an effort to cut down on their strikeouts and be a more consistent hitting, contact-hitting team that could contend in the NL West.

34rancher
07-04-2011, 09:29 PM
Congrats to Adam on the hr. It was nice to see you actually have some positive. Too bad we blew the lead. No one here has been more critical of Adam than I have, but it was nice to see him slow down his swing a little bit and make contact. Nice job today.

soxfanreggie
07-04-2011, 10:18 PM
No doubt about the disappointment that is Dunn's 1st half, but he definitely has a chance to redeem himself in the second half...say 25+ HRs and 50+ RBIs.

34rancher
07-08-2011, 12:22 AM
And he's back. One great game on the 4th. But since????
And back on our way toward .150. Hey that's a million dollars for each percent of ba. It's good money if you can get it.

WhiteSox56
07-08-2011, 12:25 AM
Well maybe he can turn it around. :rolleyes:

chisoxfanatic
07-08-2011, 12:36 AM
This guy is dunn before even stepping up to the plate. If he continues like this for the rest of the season (and he's given me no reason to think he won't), then this might go down as one of the worst signings in Sox history.

Crooked Number
07-08-2011, 02:31 AM
This guy is dunn before even stepping up to the plate. If he continues like this for the rest of the season (and he's given me no reason to think he won't), then this might go down as one of the worst signings in Sox history.

I was there on Monday when he had his big day, and it felt so great to actually cheer for the guy. Really, it was. He had a big homer and did his hat tipping thing for the crowd after the "single" *cough* error. I was also at the game tonight and he did his normal strikeout three or more times thing.

All i could keep thinking was, he is simply having a bad year. That does not mean he is going to keep playing this way his entire tenure here. Sometimes star players have bad years. I keep remembering Konerko's 2003: .234/18/65

Granted his track record wasn't as prolific as Dunn's but in the previous 4 seasons Paulie had averaged .290/25/90 - Most were calling for his head back then during his horrible season. That is season, singular. 2008 was pretty mediocre, but he only played 122 games and still had 22/62 on the power numbers.

Dunn picked a horrible year to have a bad one, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that it could be his only "bad" year he ever has. Sometimes star guys have awful, terrible years. It is usually an anomaly. I'm as frustrated as everyone else, but man I just find it hard to believe that Dunn will continue to struggle this badly after this year is over. This one is bad, don't think he will come out of it. He will be hard pressed to get to 15 homers at this rate. Truly an appalling, mystifying season.

soxfanatlanta
07-08-2011, 06:31 AM
Can he get to .150 by the ASB?

BleacherBandit
07-08-2011, 09:48 AM
Can he get to .150 by the ASB?

I'm calling it the Dunn Boundary.

Harry Chappas
07-08-2011, 11:01 AM
I was there on Monday when he had his big day, and it felt so great to actually cheer for the guy. Really, it was. He had a big homer and did his hat tipping thing for the crowd after the "single" *cough* error. I was also at the game tonight and he did his normal strikeout three or more times thing.

All i could keep thinking was, he is simply having a bad year. That does not mean he is going to keep playing this way his entire tenure here. Sometimes star players have bad years. I keep remembering Konerko's 2003: .234/18/65

Granted his track record wasn't as prolific as Dunn's but in the previous 4 seasons Paulie had averaged .290/25/90 - Most were calling for his head back then during his horrible season. That is season, singular. 2008 was pretty mediocre, but he only played 122 games and still had 22/62 on the power numbers.

Dunn picked a horrible year to have a bad one, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that it could be his only "bad" year he ever has. Sometimes star guys have awful, terrible years. It is usually an anomaly. I'm as frustrated as everyone else, but man I just find it hard to believe that Dunn will continue to struggle this badly after this year is over. This one is bad, don't think he will come out of it. He will be hard pressed to get to 15 homers at this rate. Truly an appalling, mystifying season.

This goes way beyond a "bad year." Even during Konerko's worst year, he hit 70 points higher than Dunn (to this point). This is one of the worst performances by a former All-Star, for a half a season, that I have ever witnessed. It actually might be the worst performance of any Sox regular in my lifetime. I'm too lazy to look it up, but at the mid-way point, he has to have more strikeouts than anyone in franchise history. I also don't remember a Sox regular hitting .163 at the All-Star break.

The fact that the team counted on him heavily makes it even more painful. Quite simply, if we don't make the play-offs, the blame lies with Dunn followed closely by Rios. Even if they were having less-than-stellar years but still hovered 20 or even 30 points of their average, we would probably be at or near the top of this woeful division. AJ, Konerko, TCQ, TCM, Beckham, Morel, and even Pierre are playing decently and are probably at or above their career averages (talking offense only).

Right now, the Sox have basically 6-8 automatic outs a game. There probably isn't a team in either league that has 2 regular starters with worse offensive numbers than Rios and Dunn.

In summary, this poll becomes less laughable with each passing day.

NLaloosh
07-08-2011, 11:42 AM
No doubt about the disappointment that is Dunn's 1st half, but he definitely has a chance to redeem himself in the second half...say 25+ HRs and 50+ RBIs.

If he hits 25 home runs I sure hope that he can knock in more than 50. Or, are you just assuming that he isn't gonna get any singles or doubles with men in scoring position and rarely hit a home run with men on base.

Yeah, that does sound like Dunn's career. Even if he hit 15 home runs and managed to bat .200 in the second half it would be a major improvement.

Hitmen77
07-11-2011, 01:45 PM
This guy is dunn before even stepping up to the plate. If he continues like this for the rest of the season (and he's given me no reason to think he won't), then this might go down as one of the worst signings in Sox history.

I have to look beyond the White Sox to come up with another high priced free agent that has flopped so badly. Barry Zito (SF) and Mike Hampton (Colorado) come to mind.

I know that Dunn still has 3.5 years to go on his Sox contract in which to turn things around, but IMO the window for helping this team will close a lot more quickly.

If the Sox continue to sputter through the end of the 2011 season, attendance is going to take a huge hit and that's going to be a problem for JR's "All In" $125M payroll. We have a number of guys locked up at high salaries beyond this year and some players (AJ, Peavy, Dunn, Floyd, Thornton) are getting raises for '12. Danks and Quentin will likely get raises too.

If season ticket sales take a hit after this year's suck-fest, then payroll will likely be slashed somewhere. That means saying goodbye to Jackson and perhaps Buehrle too. It might also mean the Sox trading away one of the few players on their roster who gets paid a lot AND is actually tradeable. There's not too many of those guys, so that may mean saying goodbye to Danks and/or Quentin.

It won't do the Sox much good if Dunn rebounds next year if the rest of the roster is riddled with holes.

Harry Chappas
07-11-2011, 02:09 PM
It won't do the Sox much good if Dunn rebounds next year if the rest of the roster is riddled with holes.

That's the problem with those looking towards a brighter future for Dunn. Having an "off" year, especially this particular year, greatly diminishes his overall value. Seeing as though this is an "all in" year, it is ridiculous to be dismissive of the assertion that he is a bust.

34rancher
08-01-2011, 10:42 PM
It's July 1st. Still a moronic thread? Will it be on August 1st too?

It's his 1st ****ing season here. But let's go ahead and judge the entirety of his four years here based off of the first three months. This thread won't stop sucking for a long, long time, if ever.

August 1st. Hmmm so Dunn still is hitting a lower percentage against lefties than if he just closed his eyes. Only 541 regular season games after tonight in this god awful bust of a sox signing.

Nelfox02
08-01-2011, 10:56 PM
August 1st. Hmmm so Dunn still is hitting a lower percentage against lefties than if he just closed his eyes. Only 541 regular season games after tonight in this god awful bust of a sox signing.


you know how teams put up numbers in the stadium when players are approaching milestones? can we put up a reverse countdown with this figure somewhere in the park and tick off a number each night?

at least it would give the fans something to cheer about every game....the play on the field and final results typically dont

white sox bill
08-02-2011, 07:44 AM
I'm just begginning to pity the poor guy, its really an embarrassment to him, this team and MLB. Its a little like this, you hire a guy to do some carpentry work, he comes on the job and you check on him and he's trying to pound a nail in using the wrong end of the hammer.

I hope like all hell he snaps out of this and proves many of us wrong