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Frater Perdurabo
05-16-2011, 10:49 PM
Bad hitting.

Bad fielding.

Bad catching.

Bad starting pitching.

What a way to waste a perfectly good bullpen performance.

DirtySox
05-16-2011, 10:51 PM
1 - 10 in the last 11 games at The Cell.

LoveYourSuit
05-16-2011, 10:52 PM
I hate this team more than that 2007 team.

Nelfox02
05-16-2011, 10:52 PM
pretty typical Sox loss right there.......nothing really out of the ordinary.

Frater Perdurabo
05-16-2011, 10:52 PM
Why would anyone complain about the lack of home games so far when the Sox have the worst home record in the AL?

LongLiveFisk
05-16-2011, 10:52 PM
We clearly hold the cap-tipping record this season.

JB98
05-16-2011, 10:52 PM
You know, the pitching and defense weren't good, but Texas still only scored four runs.

Too bad five runs is way too much to ask of this offense.

SoxSpeed22
05-16-2011, 10:53 PM
Here's an idea: Let's try and pull every low and away breaking ball into the left field seats.
Can't seem to put any (good) consistency together.

ChiSoxGal85
05-16-2011, 10:54 PM
I was spared most of the pain by missing the first 7 innings. Another future Cy Young winner created - er, faced - by the Sox tonight.

I was thinking of taking my daughter to a game this week, but who wants to pay to see a team that can't seem to win at home?

DrCrawdad
05-16-2011, 10:55 PM
pretty typical Sox loss right there.......nothing really out of the ordinary.

Ain't that the truth.

You know, the pitching and defense weren't good, but Texas still only scored four runs.

Too bad five runs is way too much to ask of this offense.

The Sox will score 5 runs tomorrow...although they'll surrender 6+.

LongLiveFisk
05-16-2011, 10:55 PM
1 - 10 in the last 11 games at The Cell.

That is abominable. :shakehead:

thomas35forever
05-16-2011, 10:55 PM
This season must die.

Blueprint1
05-16-2011, 10:56 PM
When do we let Walker go?

Frater Perdurabo
05-16-2011, 10:56 PM
Can we petition to play all our games on the road?

Frater Perdurabo
05-16-2011, 10:57 PM
When do we let Walker go?

I want him to take Ozzie, Cora and Hawk with him.

Nelfox02
05-16-2011, 10:57 PM
I hate this team more than that 2007 team.

yeah.....I m getting to the point too. It is just such an easy team to dislike. Not much to them really, it is not a good team and no one in the organization really seems to care that it is?

Just a poor team....cant win consistently if you play subpar in so many facets of the game.

needed at least 5 of these seven home games for me to feel this team was tuning a corner....rough start to that goal

JB98
05-16-2011, 10:57 PM
When do we let Walker go?

Never. I'm told it is not his fault. Who am I to question? I know nothing about baseball. Like most fans, I don't even know what a hitting coach does.

Tragg
05-16-2011, 10:58 PM
It would be nice if the other team would start tipping their cap to these expensive stiffs that Ken Williams insists on acquiring. Like Edwin Jackson.

JB98
05-16-2011, 11:00 PM
It would be nice if the other team would start tipping their cap to these expensive stiffs that Ken Williams insists on acquiring. Like Edwin Jackson.

Other teams actually put together quality ABs, instead of swinging at the first piece of slop the opposing pitcher throws up there.

Our guys like to make quick outs, so they can get back to the dugout and warm their cold tootsies.

tstrike2000
05-16-2011, 11:03 PM
Tip our crap - :rolling:

RadioheadRocks
05-16-2011, 11:06 PM
We clearly hold the cap-tipping record this season.



... and I'm getting damn sick of it!

Parrothead
05-16-2011, 11:07 PM
Bad hitting.

Bad fielding.

Bad catching.

Bad starting pitching.

What a way to waste a perfectly good bullpen performance.

Besides all that they looked good.:D:

Crooked Number
05-16-2011, 11:08 PM
6-3 road trip, coming off beating Trevor Cahill one of the best in the league. To losing to a guy that that had a career 1-3 record 7+ era against the Sox.

Way to ride that momentum.

Offensive Black Hole Check:
Pierre: Check (that bunt was a gift, Beltre fell)
Rios: Check
Beckham: Check

Pop up Quentin, let me check my notes, yep he is back and as maddening as ever.

Gordon Beckham is my pick to click, i click the channel every time he is up.

DrCrawdad
05-16-2011, 11:09 PM
The Sox have a good roadtrip, winning 3 straight series. Then come home and do this...

http://blog.escortmojo.com/wp-content/forum-smileys/sterb005.gif

kittle42
05-16-2011, 11:10 PM
My greatest accomplishment of the past week has been selling my tickets for this coming Thursday and Saturday at face value.

11 more games sold and I get all my money back!

Tragg
05-16-2011, 11:16 PM
Other teams actually put together quality ABs, instead of swinging at the first piece of slop the opposing pitcher throws up there.

Our guys like to make quick outs, so they can get back to the dugout and warm their cold tootsies.
Just how Ozzie (and probably Greg) teach it.
And Jackson's ridiculous.

Lip Man 1
05-16-2011, 11:16 PM
Sox have lost 11 of their last 13 home games and have scored two runs in their last three at home total.

Corpse-ball, Walker-ball at its finest.

The point made earlier is right on the money, try to pull everything that you see even if it's two feet outside.

We've seen that a lot haven't we since 2004?

Having all those home games in the back half looks pretty meaningless right now.

I'm sure the fans will be coming out in droves for this!

Lip

OmahaSoxFan
05-16-2011, 11:16 PM
Well not much to say about this one...

At least we weren't the Royals tonight... eh, that's all I got... :angry:

DickAllen72
05-16-2011, 11:17 PM
Gordon Beckham is my pick to click, i click the channel every time he is up.
:rolling:

PalehosePlanet
05-16-2011, 11:18 PM
My greatest accomplishment of the past week has been selling my tickets for this coming Thursday and Saturday at face value.

11 more games sold and I get all my money back!

You're in a Catch 22 here. You need the Sox to win in order to sell the tickets, but if they start winning you'll want to go to the games.

Well, here's to hoping you have that dilemma.

Also, just a quick observation: I saw more strikes called on pitches at the letters tonight than ever before. It was like watching a '60's game on ESPN classics.

Of course, Lewis took advantage, while Edwin did not.

Lip Man 1
05-16-2011, 11:18 PM
5th time this year the Sox have been shut out.

Lip

tstrike2000
05-16-2011, 11:19 PM
Pierre leading off and batting .242, Dunn hitting .203, Rios hitting .197, and Beckham hitting .217 means getting shut out is not a shock. Just more of the same.

Lip Man 1
05-16-2011, 11:24 PM
Just wondering...it's now May 16th.

Is it still "early" yet?

Lip

Crestani
05-16-2011, 11:25 PM
Pierre leading off and batting .242, Dunn hitting .203, Rios hitting .197, and Beckham hitting .217 means getting shut out is not a shock. Just more of the same.




And there it is...!!!

BringHomeDaBacon
05-16-2011, 11:38 PM
Edwin Jackson now has a 4.56 ERA and 1.56 WHIP which is not too far off his career 4.60 and 1.483 marks. Lucky for him, the rest of the team sucks so bad nobody will even notice and by this time next year he will be underperforming somewhere else.

gogosox675
05-16-2011, 11:45 PM
I'm getting sick of these games where the Sox wait until the 4th or 5th inning to get their first hit of the game. Heck, I wouldn't even mind them stranding somebody at 1st early on if that meant they got a hit! Hooray for being ten games out. :(:

Soxfest
05-16-2011, 11:49 PM
Same old blues again!:angry:

tstrike2000
05-16-2011, 11:53 PM
Edwin Jackson now has a 4.56 ERA and 1.56 WHIP which is not too far off his career 4.60 and 1.483 marks. Lucky for him, the rest of the team sucks so bad nobody will even notice and by this time next year he will be underperforming somewhere else.

Which is why he's been on 5 teams in 8 years. I doubt Coop can fix between the ears.

JB98
05-17-2011, 12:01 AM
Which is why he's been on 5 teams in 8 years. I doubt Coop can fix between the ears.

Yeah. The thing about Jackson is he's the typical KW pickup. He likes to go for these high-ceiling guys that other organizations have given up on. Sometimes, it's a hit (Thornton, Contreras, Floyd to a lesser extent). Sometimes, it's a whiff (MacDougal, Marquez, Vazquez to a lesser extent).

Jackson and Humber are the latest such project pitchers.

captain54
05-17-2011, 12:16 AM
Never. I'm told it is not his fault. Who am I to question? I know nothing about baseball. Like most fans, I don't even know what a hitting coach does.

And because you don't know what a hitting coach does, you wouldn't know that he may suggest a player change this or that and the player could just ignore him. Or the player could just flat out suck, and it wouldn't matter what you told him. Or it could just be early and cold and its just a phase they poor chaps are going thru right now.

But see, you wouldn't know all of that cause you have no idea what a hitting coach does and know nothing about baseball.

Now me, on the other hand, know all of this because I have listened to all the "experts".. Some have actually met Walker and shook his hand, and they say that his handshake is firm and strong, which is usually the sign of a good hitting coach.

KingXerxes
05-17-2011, 12:19 AM
I still think the White Sox will win this division (believe me I know I'm in the minority) and this upcoming Cleveland series could very well go a long way toward turning the tide. Given the trip back from Oakland and the time change - I'll throw them a break tonight, but there are no excuses when the Indians come in later this week.

That being said, what the hell has happened to Juan Pierre out in left field? Again he turned the wrong way on a slicing fly ball, righted himself at the last minute, and caught the ball while falling down - not unlike a Little Leaguer.

And what do we get from our super duper analytical play by play man up in the booth?

:hawk

"That's a nice catch right there."

In what world does he think his audience lives?

Tragg
05-17-2011, 12:20 AM
Yeah. The thing about Jackson is he's the typical KW pickup. He likes to go for these high-ceiling guys that other organizations have given up on. Sometimes, it's a hit (Thornton, Contreras, Floyd to a lesser extent). Sometimes, it's a whiff (MacDougal, Marquez, Vazquez to a lesser extent).

Jackson and Humber are the latest such project pitchers.
It's one thing to pick them up on the cheap. It's another to give your top prospect plus another player plus 10+ million a year to RENT him for a season and a third. We gave far more than a "gave up on him" price.

This in no way is a similar acquisition to Thornton or Humber. It's like Javy or Ritchie or even Garcia....except that Garcia was pitching pretty well when we got him (he was a rent, too).

KingXerxes
05-17-2011, 12:20 AM
now me, on the other hand, know all of this because i have listened to all the "experts".. Some have actually met walker and shook his hand, and they say that his handshake is firm and strong, which is usually the sign of a good hitting coach.

Now that's funny.

guillensdisciple
05-17-2011, 12:21 AM
Was at the game. I hate Gordon Beckham, and I have been in the anti- Gordon beckham crowd for a while.

We should have traded the fool when we had the chance.

LoveYourSuit
05-17-2011, 12:29 AM
Was at the game. I hate Gordon Beckham, and I have been in the anti- Gordon beckham crowd for a while.

We should have traded the fool when we had the chance.


Some call me a Gordon hater, but honestly it's the Sox who have destroyed this guy. And not one guy is there to throw the kid a life saver. He's helpless out there, and no one in that dugout can help the kid.

I don't care what Walker, Guillen, Cora can do to help grown ass men like Dunn, Rios, Quentin, and Konerko. Earn your stripes in helping these kids get somewhere. Beckham, Morel, and Alexei. I throw Alexei in there because he is still way short IMO of how good he can be in every apsect of his game. Plus he's a mental midget like everyone else in that club.

JermaineDye05
05-17-2011, 12:41 AM
When are we allowed to blame the coaching staff? Or are the Sox still unlucky and everyone just happens to be slumping at the plate at the same time?

Make Pauly the hitting coach. He's the only guy there that appears to know how to have an AB.

BainesHOF
05-17-2011, 12:45 AM
Beckham has no range. How many times is he going to dive to his left and see the ball pass under his glove? Those are plays a good second baseman makes regularly.

A.J. has become an outright embarassment behind the plate. People steal on him who never do otherwise. Tonight it was a guy who stole his first base in two years. How long is this going to be allowed to continue?

Somebody needs to tell Sox pitchers it's okay to throw to first base. Don Cooper obviously doesn't, and Ozzie is too busy making wisecracks about the way to stop it is to not let batters reach.

Noneck
05-17-2011, 12:48 AM
Some call me a Gordon hater, but honestly it's the Sox who have destroyed this guy. And not one guy is there to throw the kid a life saver. He's helpless out there, and no one in that dugout can help the kid.



This appears to be very true. Beckham was well regarded by all around baseball. He wasnt the typical Harrelson hyped Sox draft choice. Something happened to this kid and it looks as though he is just totally lost. This appears to be happening to Sale also. Two of the best draft choices the Sox had for years and they could very well be ruined. People like to jump on Williams for acquisitions but to me this so much worse than failing on an acquisition. If a team ruins so called "cant miss" draft choices that can be fatal to an organization.

kittle42
05-17-2011, 12:58 AM
Hey, if anybody wants someone else to take part of Pierre's role as the goat, Juan can have AJ right with him.

Nellie_Fox
05-17-2011, 01:07 AM
When are we allowed to blame the coaching staff? You're "allowed" to blame anybody you want. Always have been.

JermaineDye05
05-17-2011, 01:21 AM
You're "allowed" to blame anybody you want. Always have been.

Good point. I guess what I meant was, when is it the coaching staff's fault?

BringHomeDaBacon
05-17-2011, 01:23 AM
A.J. has become an outright embarassment behind the plate. People steal on him who never do otherwise. Tonight it was a guy who stole his first base in two years. How long is this going to be allowed to continue?



What I find most frustrating is how blatantly illogical the whole situation has become. Obviously, the team places a high value on the stolen base. They had the most attempts last year and they use a left fielder whose entire value is wrapped up in his base stealing. So given the fact that they think it's a valuable offensive weapon, I fail to see how the same damn team can turn around and seemingly remain indifferent when the opponent is doing it to them!

If you think it's a valuable weapon, then logic dictates that you should prioritize stopping it on defense. Otherwise, there is no competitive advantage. In fact, you're at a HUGE DISADVANTAGE because of the discrepancy in stolen base percentage.

Falstaff
05-17-2011, 01:35 AM
You know, yesterday, especially with the win, I kind of knew today would be a "hat tipper". Is there a place where you can view WS win percentage over the (Ozzie) years, according to day-of-week? Would be interesting to see.
This team goes limp way to easy, and they must have wanted an off-day today, its "fake-itis" I guess.

LITTLE NELL
05-17-2011, 06:20 AM
Ozzie said we owe the fans one, they owe us a lot more than that.

russ99
05-17-2011, 07:58 AM
There has to be something behind the fact that we can't play well at home.

They better figure it out quick.

SI1020
05-17-2011, 08:29 AM
You're in a Catch 22 here. You need the Sox to win in order to sell the tickets, but if they start winning you'll want to go to the games.

Well, here's to hoping you have that dilemma.

Also, just a quick observation: I saw more strikes called on pitches at the letters tonight than ever before. It was like watching a '60's game on ESPN classics.

Of course, Lewis took advantage, while Edwin did not. Voodoo please take note.

daveeym
05-17-2011, 08:49 AM
I still think the White Sox will win this division (believe me I know I'm in the minority) and this upcoming Cleveland series could very well go a long way toward turning the tide. Given the trip back from Oakland and the time change - I'll throw them a break tonight, but there are no excuses when the Indians come in later this week.

That being said, what the hell has happened to Juan Pierre out in left field? Again he turned the wrong way on a slicing fly ball, righted himself at the last minute, and caught the ball while falling down - not unlike a Little Leaguer.

And what do we get from our super duper analytical play by play man up in the booth?

:hawk

"That's a nice catch right there."

In what world does he think his audience lives?

I come in hear to check on the usual garbage and what do I see? I see a ray of light. Some hope for some giggles. I see that Kingxerxes has made an appearance.

I'm thinking here we go now we're going to get a classic post of some sort. King wouldn't make his annual appearance during this **** storm of a season unless it was going to be good.

But alas, like everything else sox related I ended up with an empty feeling of dissapointment and despair. I had visions of the best thread in WSI history flashing through my head ASK FARMIO. But no. It was not to be. I got one crappy, straight from the Hawk's mouth quote.

So I says to myself this is so typical. On paper Xerxes is one of the best posters ever, has a high post count and he's a veteran, been around since 2001 after all.

Then someone else says to me but yeah he's not so good in action anymore. He's old, he really only had a couple good seasons and his stats are skewed by that epic thread that one year. It's time for him to go.

Then somene else comes over and says to me, hey, it's not Xerxes fault. What have we given him to work with? The team blows. Hawk and Farmio are mailing it in this year. Its hard team to watch so he can't come up with any material. You can't blame it on the poster, its the announcers who broadcast the game and tell us cute anecdotes about yaz, golfing and that what time they faced that no-name guy that had the best curve EVAH.

And I just shake my head and say the hell with it. This team blows. I don't know whose fault it is but Xerxes needs to go as well. We can have an overpaid underperforming aging poster on this board anymore. Bova and voodoo and west need to go for bringing this bum with them from the old days.

Because you know what that makes XErxes and them? Just old. But these guys are too loyal. They won't give some one the boot from the old days on that crappy 8 bit board filled with trolls.

KingXerxes
05-17-2011, 08:58 AM
Ouch. :smile:

Hitmen77
05-17-2011, 09:06 AM
:tiphat:..............:tiphat:................:tip hat:
............:whiteflag:...........:whiteflag:..... ....:whiteflag:

:shakehead:................:shakehead:............ .......:shakehead:


Time for Ozzie to complain some more about how many road games we've played. :rolleyes:

When do we let Walker go?

Never. I'm told it is not his fault. Who am I to question? I know nothing about baseball. Like most fans, I don't even know what a hitting coach does.

Yep, after years of repeated offensive showings like this, it's never his fault. Players come and go but the results are the same. I've been told that he tells the hitters to take better approaches at the plate, but they just don't listen to him. Therefore, he's doing his job and isn't going anywhere. Hell, with that logic, many armchair analyst could be hitting coach.....how about expecting a hitting coach to be able to "get through" to the guys too?

Just wait, the offense will finally get hot in its typical "too late" fashion. Then we'll get flooded with the teal "fire Greg Walker" posts and this pattern will all be forgotten (by some).

Hitmen77
05-17-2011, 09:09 AM
Edwin Jackson now has a 4.56 ERA and 1.56 WHIP which is not too far off his career 4.60 and 1.483 marks. Lucky for him, the rest of the team sucks so bad nobody will even notice and by this time next year he will be underperforming somewhere else.

....and yet, I fully expect Scott Boras to get some stupid team to hand Edwin a huge contract.

asindc
05-17-2011, 09:15 AM
....and yet, I fully expect Scott Boras to get some stupid team to hand Edwin a huge contract.

All, and I do mean all, of Jackson's problems are mental. He doesn't focus for nine innings, he seems to fail to recognize the umpire's tendencies, he doesn't set up hitters nearly as well as he should with his stuff, and he allows small mistakes (walking a hitter with the bases empty) to grow into bigger mistakes (throwing a wild pitch with runners on base). If Boras can convince someone to pay this guy # 2 starter money, then Jackson should name his next child Scott Boras Jackson.

SI1020
05-17-2011, 09:23 AM
Yeah. The thing about Jackson is he's the typical KW pickup. He likes to go for these high-ceiling guys that other organizations have given up on. Sometimes, it's a hit (Thornton, Contreras, Floyd to a lesser extent). Sometimes, it's a whiff (MacDougal, Marquez, Vazquez to a lesser extent).

Jackson and Humber are the latest such project pitchers. This is true.

Chez
05-17-2011, 09:24 AM
I come in hear to check on the usual garbage and what do I see? I see a ray of light. Some hope for some giggles. I see that Kingxerxes has made an appearance.

I'm thinking here we go now we're going to get a classic post of some sort. King wouldn't make his annual appearance during this **** storm of a season unless it was going to be good.

But alas, like everything else sox related I ended up with an empty feeling of dissapointment and despair. I had visions of the best thread in WSI history flashing through my head ASK FARMIO. But no. It was not to be. I got one crappy, straight from the Hawk's mouth quote.

So I says to myself this is so typical. On paper Xerxes is one of the best posters ever, has a high post count and he's a veteran, been around since 2001 after all.

Then someone else says to me but yeah he's not so good in action anymore. He's old, he really only had a couple good seasons and his stats are skewed by that epic thread that one year. It's time for him to go.

Then somene else comes over and says to me, hey, it's not Xerxes fault. What have we given him to work with? The team blows. Hawk and Farmio are mailing it in this year. Its hard team to watch so he can't come up with any material. You can't blame it on the poster, its the announcers who broadcast the game and tell us cute anecdotes about yaz, golfing and that what time they faced that no-name guy that had the best curve EVAH.

And I just shake my head and say the hell with it. This team blows. I don't know whose fault it is but Xerxes needs to go as well. We can have an overpaid underperforming aging poster on this board anymore. Bova and voodoo and west need to go for bringing this bum with them from the old days.

Because you know what that makes XErxes and them? Just old. But these guys are too loyal. They won't give some one the boot from the old days on that crappy 8 bit board filled with trolls.

Brilliant! Truly brilliant.

khan
05-17-2011, 09:51 AM
Edwin Jackson now has a 4.56 ERA and 1.56 WHIP which is not too far off his career 4.60 and 1.483 marks. Lucky for him, the rest of the team sucks so bad nobody will even notice and by this time next year he will be underperforming somewhere else.
Meanwhile, Daniel Hudson is quietly having a much-improved May, after struggling in April. For the record, his WHIP is now 1.294 on the year, but only for some $8M less than Edwin Jackson. He's also has a higher BA than Beckham, Morel, and Pierre...


But yeah, Edwin Jackson is a golden god.

TheOldRoman
05-17-2011, 09:52 AM
Our guys like to make quick outs, so they can get back to the dugout and warm their cold tootsies.They want to get the ABs over quickly so they can get back to the dugout for hot chocolate and to watch Lillibridge play his new Nintendo DS.

Jerko
05-17-2011, 10:42 AM
At least tonight there will be more dogs in the stands than on the field.

Jerko
05-17-2011, 10:43 AM
I'm going to start calling him Javy Jackson.

kaufsox
05-17-2011, 10:54 AM
The only thing good about going to last night's game was the five Wow Bao I ate. Not so great this morning...

balke
05-17-2011, 11:15 AM
5th time this year the Sox have been shut out.

Lip

Was 2004 the year they got shutout like 11 times before the break?

We can crap on Edwin - but you don't win games if you don't score runs. I love defense and good all around players - but this is pathetic. Sit Morel beckham or Pierre. Get Viciedo up here. Sox have good pitchers. Let's see them pitch with a lead.

Once they get the lead - put your defenders in.

balke
05-17-2011, 11:27 AM
Meanwhile, Daniel Hudson is quietly having a much-improved May, after struggling in April. For the record, his WHIP is now 1.294 on the year, but only for some $8M less than Edwin Jackson. He's also has a higher BA than Beckham, Morel, and Pierre...


But yeah, Edwin Jackson is a golden god.

Yeah would've been nice to have Hudson lose 1-0 to Colby Lewis. Isn't Danks 0-6 even though he's pitched 5 games giving up 3 er or less?

Lip Man 1
05-17-2011, 11:57 AM
Balke:

In 2004 the Sox were shut out four times before the All Star break.

Lip

TheOldRoman
05-17-2011, 12:06 PM
Was 2004 the year they got shutout like 11 times before the break?

We can crap on Edwin - but you don't win games if you don't score runs. I love defense and good all around players - but this is pathetic. Sit Morel beckham or Pierre. Get Viciedo up here. Sox have good pitchers. Let's see them pitch with a lead.

Once they get the lead - put your defenders in.2008 was the shutout-polooza. Everyone pointed to long demonstrated incompetance and underperforming hitting, and called for Walker to be fired because of it. And yet, three years later, here we are.

kittle42
05-17-2011, 12:25 PM
2008 was the shutout-polooza. Everyone pointed to long demonstrated incompetance and underperforming hitting, and called for Walker to be fired because of it. And yet, three years later, here we are.

It's because NO ONE is held accountable. Whom (of any significance) has been sent out of town for poor performance the past few years? Javy (thank goodness), Swisher (in a horrid trade due in no small part to his crap season), Jenks...???

BringHomeDaBacon
05-17-2011, 12:35 PM
It's because NO ONE is held accountable. Whom (of any significance) has been sent out of town for poor performance the past few years? Javy (thank goodness), Swisher (in a horrid trade due in no small part to his crap season), Jenks...???

Jeff Gray

Chez
05-17-2011, 12:38 PM
It's because NO ONE is held accountable. Whom (of any significance) has been sent out of town for poor performance the past few years? Javy (thank goodness), Swisher (in a horrid trade due in no small part to his crap season), Jenks...???

Just in the last two years (since 2009)? Other than the players you mention, there's been Kotsay, Nix, Linebrink, R. Williams, Getz, Anderson, Dye, Thome, Fields, Wise, Owens, Betemit, Contreras, Colon, and MacDougal. There's others on the fringe like Torres, Broadway etc. You can decide for yourself who from this group you believe to be "significant."

kittle42
05-17-2011, 12:41 PM
Just in the last two years (since 2009)? Other than the players you mention, there's been Kotsay, Nix, Linebrink, R. Williams, Getz, Anderson, Dye, Thome, Fields, Wise, Owens, Betemit, Contreras, Colon, and MacDougal. There's others on the fringe like Torres, Broadway etc.

Which is exactly why I said, "of any significance," i.e. at the level of an Ozzie, coach, Pierre, Dunn, Beckham, etc. The ONLY one on that list who was any kind of major contributor was Thome, and he was not sent away for performance reasons.

Chez
05-17-2011, 12:45 PM
Which is exactly why I said, "of any significance," i.e. at the level of an Ozzie, coach, Pierre, Dunn, Beckham, etc. The ONLY one on that list who was any kind of major contributor was Thome, and he was not sent away for performance reasons.

Right. And I immediately edited my post to add a "significance" disclaimer. Many on the list were starters at one time during their stay so I don't think it's fair to limit the list of dispatched "significant" players to Thome. Dye? Jenks? Contreras? Even Anderson, Getz and Fields were starters who were sent packing due to under-performance.

Tragg
05-17-2011, 01:47 PM
Meanwhile, Daniel Hudson is quietly having a much-improved May, after struggling in April. For the record, his WHIP is now 1.294 on the year, but only for some $8M less than Edwin Jackson. He's also has a higher BA than Beckham, Morel, and Pierre...


But yeah, Edwin Jackson is a golden god.
Yep - that was piss poor trade and most people called it as such when it happened. Just awful. And to an extent it's cause was one of the anchors that's been around this team for a while: Guillen's poor talent evaluation abilities and general impatience with young players (he's Ghandi like with lousy veterans).

balke
05-17-2011, 02:05 PM
Balke:

In 2004 the Sox were shut out four times before the All Star break.

Lip

Yes, I remember now that I look. They lost 12 games before the break in which they scored 1 run or less. Yet they scored 10 or more runs 15 times before the break.

That team had talent stacked - but still couldn't be consistant. Every time the Sox get shutout I think of how frustrating it was then. And now I'm more angry with this team because they have great pitching compared to 2004.

Frater Perdurabo
05-17-2011, 03:11 PM
The ONLY one on that list who was any kind of major contributor was Thome, and he was not sent away for performance reasons.

You're right. Thome wasn't sent away for performance reasons. He was sent away because Ozzie couldn't figure out - or was too ****ing lazy to want to figure out - how to use him in less-than-full-time role.

A. Cavatica
05-17-2011, 09:49 PM
Yeah would've been nice to have Hudson lose 1-0 to Colby Lewis.

Well, we could've spent Jackson's salary on some guys who could've scored us a run.

Lip Man 1
05-17-2011, 11:19 PM
Well the Sox have brought in a number of players the last five years with different abilities, experience and age and things always seem to start out the same don't they?

Maybe it's not totally on the players.

Lip

PeteWard
05-18-2011, 06:01 AM
Just wondering...it's now May 16th.

Is it still "early" yet?

Lip

Yes if they can get near .500 by June 1.

balke
05-18-2011, 07:53 AM
Well, we could've spent Jackson's salary on some guys who could've scored us a run.

7-8 mil can buy a lot of Rios/Swisher/Vizquels. As Lip said there's more going on here. The talent to score runs is already here. Where is the execution? Its been showing more - but these shutouts are ridiculous.

I'm actually okay with Edwin. It was a bad trade for the Sox monetarily - but good for Hudson and Jackson. In the length of this season - I could see Edwin being more valuable still.

SI1020
05-18-2011, 09:28 AM
7-8 mil can buy a lot of Rios/Swisher/Vizquels. As Lip said there's more going on here. The talent to score runs is already here. Where is the execution? Its been showing more - but these shutouts are ridiculous.

I'm actually okay with Edwin. It was a bad trade for the Sox monetarily - but good for Hudson and Jackson. In the length of this season - I could see Edwin being more valuable still. I hope you're right but I have to say Jackson is one of my least favorite acquisitions in recent years. The guy just isn't any good.