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LongLiveFisk
05-04-2011, 04:44 PM
I know, you're surprised.

SephClone89
05-04-2011, 04:44 PM
Can we just make a catch-all "All Sox losers go here" post-game thread?

DirtySox
05-04-2011, 04:44 PM
10 games under. The 2010 team never reached said feat.

ShoelessJoeS
05-04-2011, 04:44 PM
John Danks, 0-5.

Sox pitchers must hate this team.

Chez
05-04-2011, 04:45 PM
I suspect his hitters got Walker fired today.

aryzner
05-04-2011, 04:45 PM
I'm going to post this again because I liked posting it after last night's game:

xP1-oquwoL8


And then I'll post this:

31g0YE61PLQ

Soxfest
05-04-2011, 04:45 PM
I want and expect a firing before Seattle series begins no excuses. :angry:

LITTLE NELL
05-04-2011, 04:45 PM
6-3 was our high point, 5-18 since then. How can we be this bad.

DirtySox
05-04-2011, 04:45 PM
Tomorrow has to be fire Walker day right?

Soxman219
05-04-2011, 04:45 PM
AT LEAST WE GOT A HIT TODAY!!:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance::ba ndance::bandance::):happybday

soxnut1018
05-04-2011, 04:45 PM
Hey! We got TWO runs and AJ threw a runner out. This is a good day!

Crestani
05-04-2011, 04:45 PM
I suspect his hitters got Walker fired today.




Wanna bet...!!!

SoxSpeed22
05-04-2011, 04:46 PM
Can heads start rolling yet?

Rocky Soprano
05-04-2011, 04:46 PM
Tomorrow has to be fire Walker day right?

Today is Wednesday, so let's hope it will happen today.

sox102
05-04-2011, 04:47 PM
Do they have to come back from this upcoming West Coast trip?

Chicago5oooh
05-04-2011, 04:47 PM
Oh this team is so pathetic. If I can find stub hub tickets for a dollar I might, might go to a game just to boo and laugh.

cleanwsox
05-04-2011, 04:47 PM
:anon::puking::anon::puking::anon::puking::anon:

sox1970
05-04-2011, 04:47 PM
Nothing like starting the season series with the Twins 0-2.

Not that it matters.

miker
05-04-2011, 04:47 PM
Hey! We got TWO runs and AJ threw a runner out. This is a good day!

I like your ability to polish this turd known as the 2011 White Sox.

Soxman219
05-04-2011, 04:47 PM
Why does Juan always wait until the count is 3-2 to swing the bat? It almost always results in a pop-up.

ChiSoxGal85
05-04-2011, 04:47 PM
The good: Rios 3/4 w/ HR. And AJ actually threw a runner out! :bandance:

The bad: Everything else. Particularly that sloppy play with the bunt where no one covered first and the inability to come through with hits with runners on AGAIN.

Losing Ugly. Again.

PalehosePlanet
05-04-2011, 04:47 PM
Tomorrow has to be fire Walker day right?

I'd prefer Guillen, but Walker would do for now.

tstrike2000
05-04-2011, 04:47 PM
I picked this Ozzie and Walker coached team to win 94 games. Now I know why nobody asks me to help them pick lottery numbers.

CWSpalehoseCWS
05-04-2011, 04:48 PM
4-17 in the last 21 games. Wow...

russ99
05-04-2011, 04:48 PM
Good time for a west coast trip, as I don't feel like watching these clowns anymore and I surely won't stay up late for that.

I wonder if anything at all would have been changed by the 16th, and they're worthy of watching again...

LongLiveFisk
05-04-2011, 04:48 PM
I didn't see the early part of the game but I hear Juan made another bad defensive play. What happened?

Crestani
05-04-2011, 04:49 PM
:anon::puking::anon::puking::anon::puking::anon: Williams Dunn Pierre

Walker

VenturaFan23
05-04-2011, 04:49 PM
I suspect his hitters got Walker fired today.

We got another solo HR today. Walker's safe.

russ99
05-04-2011, 04:51 PM
Why does Juan always wait until the count is 3-2 to swing the bat? It almost always results in a pop-up.

I don't think working the count and putting the ball in play is a bad strategy for a leadoff hitter. Seems to me the pop-ups appear in later innings.

God forbid our hitting coach could "instruct" anyone to shorten their swing and hit the other way for once.

Either he's not doing it or the players aren't listening to him. Either way he should be gone.

October26
05-04-2011, 04:51 PM
John Danks, 0-5.

Sox pitchers must hate this team.

I was thinking about this during the game today. Poor John; this is beyond awful.

white sox bill
05-04-2011, 04:52 PM
This is embarrassing. I feel bad for the City of Chicago, the State of Illinois and even MLB. We are truly a disgrace.

kittle42
05-04-2011, 04:52 PM
I am on one hand really happy I lowered my share of my group's full-season ticket package to 13 games from the 27 I've had since 2006, and on the other hand am really upset that I let them talk me out of walking away completely.

I'd honestly rather go to Wrigley to see baseball the rest of the season. It's closer and less of a hassle, and despite my disdain for the Cubs, I really don't care who wins.

Paulwny
05-04-2011, 04:52 PM
Beg the "Heart of the Organization", Nancy Faust to return.

LongLiveFisk
05-04-2011, 04:54 PM
It must be the curse of the missing diamond sock patch.

cleanwsox
05-04-2011, 04:54 PM
Rob Neyer sums it up

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/5/4/2153982/revealing-twins-secrets

The Minnesota Twins have discovered the Secret Rules of Pitching:
1. Don't give up any hits.
2. Walks can't possibly hurt you.
3. Strikeouts are for Communists.
4. Rules 1-3 work best against the White Sox.

GoGoCrede
05-04-2011, 04:55 PM
Well if this keeps up, I will be saving a boatload of money by not attending as many games. I thought I'd try and surpass my 30 games attended record, but I doubt it.

The Immigrant
05-04-2011, 04:55 PM
I'd honestly rather go to Wrigley to see baseball the rest of the season.

Whoa whoa whoa, take it easy Champ.

Sad
05-04-2011, 04:55 PM
man what a crapfest this season is to date :mad::angry:

Marqhead
05-04-2011, 04:55 PM
I am on one hand really happy I lowered my share of my group's full-season ticket package to 13 games from the 27 I've had since 2006.


Goddammit.

GoGoCrede
05-04-2011, 04:56 PM
I'd honestly rather go to Wrigley to see baseball the rest of the season. It's closer and less of a hassle, and despite my disdain for the Cubs, I really don't care who wins.

Let's not go crazy here!

kittle42
05-04-2011, 04:56 PM
Whoa whoa whoa, take it easy Champ.

That came with a few caveats you didn't quote...

1989
05-04-2011, 04:58 PM
Why does Juan always wait until the count is 3-2 to swing the bat? It almost always results in a pop-up.

Because I, and most people, prefer that Juan swings the bat as least as he possibly can

kittle42
05-04-2011, 04:58 PM
Higher number by the end of the season: Juan Pierre stolen bases vs. Juan Pierre errors?

dickallen15
05-04-2011, 04:59 PM
The Sox are just trying to get to 14-26 so they can be like the 1983 team Hawk mentions every game.

Chicago5oooh
05-04-2011, 05:00 PM
Higher number by the end of the season: Juan Pierre stolen bases vs. Juan Pierre errors?

Errors plus caught stealing will absolutely be greater than stolen bases. Book it.

miker
05-04-2011, 05:01 PM
When the SEALS found Bin Laden, they gave him two options: to be shot in the head or to stay alive, but be forced to watch the 2011 White Sox.

What? Too soon?

soxnut1018
05-04-2011, 05:01 PM
Higher number by the end of the season: Juan Pierre stolen bases vs. Juan Pierre errors?

Errors, followed closely by caught stealing.

LongLiveFisk
05-04-2011, 05:02 PM
The Sox are just trying to get to 14-26 so they can be like the 1983 team Hawk mentions every game.

Whatever gets him through the night, I guess.

sox1970
05-04-2011, 05:03 PM
The Sox are just trying to get to 14-26 so they can be like the 1983 team Hawk mentions every game.

16-24. Hawk was never one for facts.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/1983-schedule-scores.shtml

Quentin08
05-04-2011, 05:04 PM
No one would have ever predicted KC or Cleveland to win the division. If you take them out of the equation, we're only 3 games out. :redneck

I hope we start playing better within the next 2 weeks. I doubt we can turn it around, but I still have hope. It's all mental.. except for Pierre.. he just sucks.

If we don't turn it around, I wouldn't be surprised to still have the worst record in baseball in June. The crosstown series is going to be a nightmare, especially when Cubs fans invade the Cell. :angry:

The Immigrant
05-04-2011, 05:04 PM
Adam Dunn should wear a ski mask when collecting his paychecks.

kittle42
05-04-2011, 05:07 PM
The crosstown series is going to be a nightmare, especially when Cubs fans invade the Cell. :angry:

Nah - it will be a lot like it has been in several of the past years - both teams suck; neither fanbase cares as much as they used to.

JB98
05-04-2011, 05:08 PM
Don't worry, guys. I'm sure they'll break out Friday. Felix Hernandez is the probable starter for Seattle.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
05-04-2011, 05:08 PM
Posted this in the game thread, but why not again here?

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm117/mtgrnwdstar913/Windshield.jpg

kittle42
05-04-2011, 05:10 PM
Don't worry, guys. I'm sure they'll break out Friday. Felix Hernandez is the probable starter for Seattle.

Here's the thing about that. If you look at the probable starters and see a really great pitcher like Hernandez, and you say "Man, they *really* have no chance on Friday," remember when you looked back at the matchups for Tuesday and Wednesday and said "Looks like they can at least maybe break out of this slump." Stop for a minute and realize that even "TBD" could silence the Sox bats.

Crooked Number
05-04-2011, 05:11 PM
Time to pack the bags for the "dreaded west coast trip" as Mike Huff succinctly put it last night. It's great that this mentally weak garbage has completely permeated the whole organization.

What are the Sox, like 2-13 at home in the last fifteen vs the twins now? So many mindboggling stats. So many ways to break down just how bad the baseball has been.

LongLiveFisk
05-04-2011, 05:12 PM
I missed the "Pierror."

What happened this time?

kittle42
05-04-2011, 05:17 PM
I missed the "Pierror."

What happened this time?

Someone hit a ball to him.

LongLiveFisk
05-04-2011, 05:18 PM
Someone hit a ball to him.

Oh.

kittle42
05-04-2011, 05:19 PM
Oh.

Well, that usually does the trick!

delben91
05-04-2011, 05:20 PM
Someone hit a ball to him.

:rolling:

:thumbsup:

soxnut1018
05-04-2011, 05:20 PM
Someone hit a ball to him.

:rolling:

Lip Man 1
05-04-2011, 05:23 PM
And the beat(ing) goes on...

*Twins have won 15 of the last 20 meetings with the White Sox.
*Sox have lost 17 of their last 22 since the Oakland debacle.
*Sox are now 4-10 in games decided by 1 or 2 runs.
*Sox have now lost 6 games when holding an opponent to 3 runs or less.
*Sox have now scored 3 runs or less in 18 games this year. (56% of
total games played!!!!!!!!!!!!)
*Sox have scored 3 runs or less in 16 of their last 20 games!!!!!!!!!

Time to do something Kenny.

Lip

WhiteSox5187
05-04-2011, 05:25 PM
After 32 games the Sox are 11-21. After 32 games the 1962 Mets were 12-20.

I think Ozzie has lost the team. Someone has to go after this home stand and if it were me, I'd fire Walker first but Ozzie would be next to go followed by Kenny.

PalehosePlanet
05-04-2011, 05:26 PM
Time to pack the bags for the "dreaded west coast trip" as Mike Huff succinctly put it last night. It's great that this mentally weak garbage has completely permeated the whole organization.

What are the Sox, like 2-13 at home in the last fifteen vs the twins now? So many mindboggling stats. So many ways to break down just how bad the baseball has been.

My guess is we'll go 2-7 on the trip, come back at 13-28, and the entire coaching staff will still be intact.

WhiteSox56
05-04-2011, 05:26 PM
And the beat(ing) goes on...

*Twins have won 15 of the last 20 meetings with the White Sox.
*Sox have lost 17 of their last 22 since the Oakland debacle.
*Sox are now 4-10 in games decided by 1 or 2 runs.
*Sox have now lost 6 games when holding an opponent to 3 runs or less.
*Sox have now scored 3 runs or less in 18 games this year. (56% of
total games played!!!!!!!!!!!!)
*Sox have scored 3 runs or less in 16 of their last 20 games!!!!!!!!!

Time to do something Kenny.

Lip

Some really outstanding numbers there.

ChiSoxGal85
05-04-2011, 05:26 PM
Someone hit a ball to him.
:rolling:
Pierre chased a double into the corner and the ball went underneath the padding on the wall in foul territory down the left field line. He tried to fish it out and couldn't find it right away, so he stood up and held his hands up like it was stuck. Well the ump said no, ball is still in play. Pierre finally fished it out but the batter (forgot who it was) turned it into a triple.

Think it was Ranger who said Pierre should not even have tried to fish it out, he should have just stopped and held his hands up.

kittle42
05-04-2011, 05:28 PM
My guess is we'll go 2-7 on the trip, come back at 13-28, and the entire coaching staff will still be intact.

If there was a way to parlay this bet in Vegas, I'd bet it big time.

chisoxfanatic
05-04-2011, 05:29 PM
When they didn't score with runners on first and second with nobody out, I knew it was over. I'm glad I didn't pay for my ticket.

VMSNS
05-04-2011, 05:30 PM
The Sox were 10-18 in April, a historical low. Now were'e starting off May 1-3.

Great job, White Sox.

southside rocks
05-04-2011, 05:32 PM
Are they *trying* for a 100-loss season? Or will it just be a happy accident?

Boy, I'm so freakin' glad that I didn't renew my tickets for 2011.

guillensdisciple
05-04-2011, 05:34 PM
Honestly, something has to be done in common rationale. I see it like this, if I was hired for a big company to lead a team of employees to a certain goal with certain expectations and I went in there and sucked the **** out of the place for a month I would be fired. No ifs about it because I am costing the company a lot of profit.

IN this case, the leaders are costing the company a lot of money, they're costing grief among a fan base, and they're embarrassing themselves in the national spotlight.

At least in an office no one outside my employers will know how much of a dumbass I am.

The beat will undoubtedly go on. The White Sox are the perfect organization for players to come to, get their money, and not really give a ****. Adam Dunn is great. Came here with that happy hey guys I love y'all **** going on and then proceeds to suck worse than Lillibridge. Nice move guy, you knew this organization was such a clown fest with Ozwaldo running the place that it made sense to get money from clown central and not play baseball. Juan Pierre had a nice workout video for comcast sports net thus promoting his future weight loss products. Gordon Beckham listened to Walker despite the fact that he knew that, in all likelihood, he would suck afterwards. He did it, and now him and Dunn laugh with Ozwaldo and throw seeds at each other. After all, this is such a loose and fun atmosphere that kissing Twins ass and bowing down to everyone makes perfect sense. Hell, we have a hell of a clubhouse where everyone loves each other, and undoubtedly loves being peaceful with other teams even more. Just look at the greatness that is Alex Rios. The man wilts so far under pressure that Carlos Quentin is beginning to mentor him. That guy makes Javier Vazquez look cold blooded.

All in all. John Danks won't appreciate this fun loving atmosphere with the great characters. He will leave, thus ensuring the biggest mistake of his life since he will have to play in a competitive setting with a coaching staff that won't throw seeds on each other and bow down to everyone. Dumb really, he's getting paid to do nothing. Why would you ever want to leave.

Gun ho guys, this organization is the perfect representation of the nice guy. Be nice to everyone, get your money, let people beat you, and you go home without a worry in the world. Ozwaldo, I know you don't understand, and you don't need to. The big guys up there will gladly have you back.

Medford Bobby
05-04-2011, 05:37 PM
Adam Dunn should wear a ski mask when collecting his paychecks.

He could use the same one David Wells used with the White Sox!!:o::angry:

Foulke You
05-04-2011, 05:43 PM
I'm not really sure what else I can say that hasn't been said. This team still can't hit the baseball despite having no significant injuries to key players. I have forgotten what it is like to see 3 hits strung in a row in the same inning or a 3 or 4 spot go on the board. It seems like such a foreign concept with this team. The most you can do is pray for a solo HR. When the Sox fall behind 3-1 it feels like an insurmountable lead and that is quite sad considering all the power that is supposedly in this lineup. This road trip could very well bury us. We are going to face some really good pitching too. Although lately, it doesn't seem to matter who we are facing. Everyone is a Cy Young winner.

ShooterMcGavin
05-04-2011, 05:48 PM
So the Twins swept the Sox at home again.

Danks takes another tough loss. How in the world he is 0-5 shows how bad the Sox offense is.

Red Barchetta
05-04-2011, 05:52 PM
Nothing like starting the season series with the Twins 0-2.

Not that it matters.

No matter how bad both teams are, the SOX cannot get the Twins out of their heads.

WhiteSox5187
05-04-2011, 05:57 PM
I'm not really sure what else I can say that hasn't been said. This team still can't hit the baseball despite having no significant injuries to key players. I have forgotten what it is like to see 3 hits strung in a row in the same inning or a 3 or 4 spot go on the board. It seems like such a foreign concept with this team. The most you can do is pray for a solo HR. When the Sox fall behind 3-1 it feels like an insurmountable lead and that is quite sad considering all the power that is supposedly in this lineup. This road trip could very well bury us. We are going to face some really good pitching too. Although lately, it doesn't seem to matter who we are facing. Everyone is a Cy Young winner.

As bad as the offense is right now the real problem to me (and the sign that the team has quit on Ozzie or he lost control, however you want to frame it) is that we aren't doing ANYTHING right right now. We can't field. We can't hit. We can't run the bases. We can't hold a lead the few times we have one. This is just a bad, bad, BAD baseball team.

TheOldRoman
05-04-2011, 06:01 PM
Don't worry, guys. I'm sure they'll break out Friday. Felix Hernandez is the probable starter for Seattle.My cap is already tipped. I've consulted my Walker's Almanac. Instead of the weather being too cold or the hitters trying too hard, they will perform horribly because they were facing a great pitcher who you couldn't possibly expect them to beat, as if he has never given up a run in his whole life.

doublem23
05-04-2011, 06:12 PM
John Danks should be allowed to punch everyone in the starting lineup today right in the face. Right in the ****ing face.

soltrain21
05-04-2011, 06:14 PM
John Danks should be allowed to punch everyone in the starting lineup today right in the face. Right in the ****ing face.

Let them swing back. Not like they'd hit him.

SI1020
05-04-2011, 06:23 PM
No matter how bad both teams are, the SOX cannot get the Twins out of their heads. Isn't that the truth. I don't want to use the term that is so popular today, but that is what the Sox are to the Twins year in and year out.

KMcMahon817
05-04-2011, 06:28 PM
My guess is we'll go 2-7 on the trip, come back at 13-28, and the entire coaching staff will still be intact.

I am an optimist. And since the Tigers and Twins have been awful as well, surprisingly the SOX still have a pulse. But, if they come back from the road trip 13-28, my towel is officially throw in.

Crestani
05-04-2011, 06:28 PM
When the SEALS found Bin Laden, they gave him two options: to be shot in the head or to stay alive, but be forced to watch the 2011 White Sox.

What? Too soon?


Epic blast...!!!

guillensdisciple
05-04-2011, 06:41 PM
To prove the post on the previous page, here is a quote by Danks himself:

“Not at all; I mean, we’ve talked about this,” Danks said. “This is a tight, tight group. It’s a fun group, a loose group. We are having a good time. We are serious whenever we need to be serious. Everybody is putting their work in. I mean, it’s baffling to me why we are not playing better than we are playing. This is a good group of guys. I mean, I’ve had seven guys come up to me and say, ‘Hang in there.’”

They're loose and having a good time. Wow.

johnny bench
05-04-2011, 06:41 PM
John Danks should be allowed to punch everyone in the starting lineup today right in the face. Right in the ****ing face.

Yep, Danks has been the best player on the team and he's 0-5!

It'sADunnBomb
05-04-2011, 06:42 PM
I wish all Sox fans would boycott the games, just to show how pissed we are. I will not watch another game until someone is fired, more specifically OZZIE.

Foulke You
05-04-2011, 06:44 PM
As bad as the offense is right now the real problem to me (and the sign that the team has quit on Ozzie or he lost control, however you want to frame it) is that we aren't doing ANYTHING right right now. We can't field. We can't hit. We can't run the bases. We can't hold a lead the few times we have one. This is just a bad, bad, BAD baseball team.
I disagree. The mental mistakes have been bad...no question about that but when you are scoring 3 runs or less in 16 of the last 20 games, you simply aren't going to win many baseball games even if you ARE catching the ball. We've been shut out 4 times already this season and it is only May 4th. If this offense was just AVERAGE during April, we would likely be around .500 considering the solid starting pitching we've gotten. The 2000 team is an example of a Sox squad that wasn't solid defensively or on the bases but they won 95 games and the division title with a great offense and solid pitching. You can hit and pitch over mistakes and right now, we are only getting the pitching part and not the hitting. The beyond horrendous Sox offense is the #1 problem on this team. Until they start to score runs, they will continue to lose in bunches.

SoxSpeed22
05-04-2011, 06:53 PM
To prove the post on the previous page, here is a quote by Danks himself:

“Not at all; I mean, we’ve talked about this,” Danks said. “This is a tight, tight group. It’s a fun group, a loose group. We are having a good time. We are serious whenever we need to be serious. Everybody is putting their work in. I mean, it’s baffling to me why we are not playing better than we are playing. This is a good group of guys. I mean, I’ve had seven guys come up to me and say, ‘Hang in there.’”

They're loose and having a good time. Wow.While thinking the whole time, 'Man, I can't wait to sign with the Rangers.'

pasquasroachclip
05-04-2011, 06:55 PM
Only 5 more months of this deathmarch to go...yay

guillensdisciple
05-04-2011, 06:56 PM
While thinking the whole time, 'Man, I can't wait to sign with the Rangers.'

Works for me, I'll be down there to see him in a couple of years anyway.

LongLiveFisk
05-04-2011, 06:57 PM
To prove the post on the previous page, here is a quote by Danks himself:

“Not at all; I mean, we’ve talked about this,” Danks said. “This is a tight, tight group. It’s a fun group, a loose group. We are having a good time. We are serious whenever we need to be serious. Everybody is putting their work in. I mean, it’s baffling to me why we are not playing better than we are playing. This is a good group of guys. I mean, I’ve had seven guys come up to me and say, ‘Hang in there.’”

They're loose and having a good time. Wow.

Not sure how any team with an 11-21 record can be having fun.

guillensdisciple
05-04-2011, 06:59 PM
Not sure how any team with an 11-21 record can be having fun.


If you read closely, Danks is saying "we don't really give a ****"

Madvora
05-04-2011, 07:02 PM
Holy crap. This team is so bad I didn't even realize they played.

Jerko
05-04-2011, 07:02 PM
I didn't read the whole thread, but why do we intentionally walk a guy with two outs and a guy on second? To get to a lefty? Against danks? That was your gwrbi.

BringHomeDaBacon
05-04-2011, 07:04 PM
I disagree. The mental mistakes have been bad...no question about that but when you are scoring 3 runs or less in 16 of the last 20 games, you simply aren't going to win many baseball games even if you ARE catching the ball. We've been shut out 4 times already this season and it is only May 4th. If this offense was just AVERAGE during April, we would likely be around .500 considering the solid starting pitching we've gotten. The 2000 team is an example of a Sox squad that wasn't solid defensively or on the bases but they won 95 games and the division title with a great offense and solid pitching. You can hit and pitch over mistakes and right now, we are only getting the pitching part and not the hitting. The beyond horrendous Sox offense is the #1 problem on this team. Until they start to score runs, they will continue to lose in bunches.

Our annual spring lament.

Big Hurt so good
05-04-2011, 07:06 PM
Must go 79-51 for 90 wins and a realistic chance at winning the division...

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are a bad road trip away from this season being officially OVAH

:angry::angry::angry:

Big Hurt so good
05-04-2011, 07:11 PM
:whiner:The Sox are hitting just .202 in their last 20 games: that’s their lowest batting average in a season over a 20-game span since the mound was lowered in 1969.

infohawk
05-04-2011, 07:12 PM
Holy crap. This team is so bad I didn't even realize they played.
Me neither! LOL!

Crestani
05-04-2011, 07:21 PM
:whiner:The Sox are hitting just .202 in their last 20 games: that’s their lowest batting average in a season over a 20-game span since the mound was lowered in 1969.




But it's not Greg Walker's fault..!!:angry:

1989
05-04-2011, 07:22 PM
I didn't read the whole thread, but why do we intentionally walk a guy with two outs and a guy on second? To get to a lefty? Against danks? That was your gwrbi.

I think the better question is why didn't the Sox have anyone covering ****ing second on a sacrifice bunt? That lead to your two runs.

Lip Man 1
05-04-2011, 07:42 PM
Jerko:

The guy who got the hit was batting .200 with one RBI.

Hurt:

Mind if I ask where you got that stat?

----------------------

4-6 and 1-5 on the last two homestands.

Folks will be lining up around the ballpark to buy tickets for the next homestand! LOL

Lip

TaylorStSox
05-04-2011, 07:43 PM
Personally, I think MLB Manager and Hitting Coach are two of the least important positions in all of sports. That's why I'm not really upset with Ozzie or Walker. They both suck, but they're fairly insignificant. Something's wrong with the culture of this team. IMO, it starts with the 2 "leaders," Konerko and AJ. These guys have to start holding people accountable for mistakes. I'm talking about mental lapses on defense and swinging the bat at the worst times. It's like nobody on this team understands the concept of momentum. If the pitcher throws 4 straight balls, keep the damn bat on your shoulder until he shows he can throw strikes.

Anyway, down the real problem. Hawk's stupid "don't stop now boys" garbage is the biggest rally killing jinx ever. We've sucked since he started spewing that nonsense. Shut the hell up Hawk. While you're at it, I've listened to your damn Yaz and Ted Williams stories for years. I've heard them all. You're like my senile grandpa that calls me by my cousin's name. Or, my drunk friend that tells the same stories over and over again because he doesn't remember telling me.

At this point, I'd fire Ozzie, Walker, Hawk and the bat boys. I'd hire Man Soo Lee to do something, anything. I'd trade everyone over 30 and John Danks. Then, I'd reposition the Cell so it faces the Loop. Everything would be kosher then.

Big Hurt so good
05-04-2011, 07:46 PM
Hurt:

Mind if I ask where you got that stat?

----------------------

4-6 and 1-5 on the last two homestands.

Folks will be lining up around the ballpark to buy tickets for the next homestand! LOL

Lip

A friend of mine I used to work with at ESPN, he now works for MLB Network and passed it along

Lip Man 1
05-04-2011, 07:52 PM
Taylor:

That's not the way Paulie is made and A.J. lost his fire and passion a long time ago. There are no vocal leaders in that clubhouse and haven't been for a long time.

Lip

JB98
05-04-2011, 07:52 PM
Personally, I think MLB Manager and Hitting Coach are two of the least important positions in all of sports. That's why I'm not really upset with Ozzie or Walker. They both suck, but they're fairly insignificant. Something's wrong with the culture of this team. IMO, it starts with the 2 "leaders," Konerko and AJ. These guys have to start holding people accountable for mistakes. I'm talking about mental lapses on defense and swinging the bat at the worst times. It's like nobody on this team understands the concept of momentum. If the pitcher throws 4 straight balls, keep the damn bat on your shoulder until he shows he can throw strikes.

Anyway, down the real problem. Hawk's stupid "don't stop now boys" garbage is the biggest rally killing jinx ever. We've sucked since he started spewing that nonsense. Shut the hell up Hawk. While you're at it, I've listened to your damn Yaz and Ted Williams stories for years. I've heard them all. You're like my senile grandpa that calls me by my cousin's name. Or, my drunk friend that tells the same stories over and over again because he doesn't remember telling me.

At this point, I'd fire Ozzie, Walker, Hawk and the bat boys. I'd hire Man Soo Lee to do something, anything. I'd trade everyone over 30 and John Danks. Then, I'd reposition the Cell so it faces the Loop. Everything would be kosher then.

That's not who Konerko is. He's not going to get in anybody's face. Just not his personality. Sorry.

I don't know that Pierzynski is considered a leader.

You're right that Hawk's act is tiresome. His assertion today that the current Sox are better than the 1967 Red Sox was laughable.

wassagstdu
05-04-2011, 07:57 PM
So yesterday Alex Rios said he is going to stop worrying about where his hands are and his stance and concentrate on just hitting the ball. Three hits today. Reminds me of what Scott Podsednik said last year just before he resuscitated the team. I could be wrong, but I would guess that what both meant was that they were going to stop listening to Greg Walker. Apparently Walker works for some (Konerko) but others may be better off ignoring him. So don't fire him, ignore him.

soltrain21
05-04-2011, 08:01 PM
So yesterday Alex Rios said he is going to stop worrying about where his hands are and his stance and concentrate on just hitting the ball. Three hits today. Reminds me of what Scott Podsednik said last year just before he resuscitated the team. I could be wrong, but I would guess that what both meant was that they were going to stop listening to Greg Walker. Apparently Walker works for some (Konerko) but others may be better off ignoring him. So don't fire him, ignore him.

Fire him anyway.

GlassSox
05-04-2011, 08:04 PM
So yesterday Alex Rios said he is going to stop worrying about where his hands are and his stance and concentrate on just hitting the ball. Three hits today. Reminds me of what Scott Podsednik said last year just before he resuscitated the team. I could be wrong, but I would guess that what both meant was that they were going to stop listening to Greg Walker. Apparently Walker works for some (Konerko) but others may be better off ignoring him. So don't fire him, ignore him.

If you are going to ignore him then might as well **** can him and replace him. Maybe, just maybe, someone else might help the offense.

SephClone89
05-04-2011, 08:05 PM
So yesterday Alex Rios said he is going to stop worrying about where his hands are and his stance and concentrate on just hitting the ball. Three hits today. Reminds me of what Scott Podsednik said last year just before he resuscitated the team. I could be wrong, but I would guess that what both meant was that they were going to stop listening to Greg Walker. Apparently Walker works for some (Konerko) but others may be better off ignoring him. So don't fire him, ignore him.

I have no memory of this. :tongue:

TaylorStSox
05-04-2011, 08:05 PM
Taylor:

That's not the way Paulie is made and A.J. lost his fire and passion a long time ago. There are no vocal leaders in that clubhouse and haven't been for a long time.

Lip

Probably since Crazy Carl left really...

Even if PK isn't that guy, he's going to have to come out of his comfort zone. We're obviously leaderless. It's his responsibility to step up, IMO. It's not like he's Spock. He has shown emotion in the past. Even if it was just him pouting after a poor AB. As far as AJ, I'm still angry that we resigned him, but that's another story.

Also, just to illustrate how bad we are, I ran into a couple drunk Twins fans at the bar last night. The only thing they said to me was "hang in there." ****ing Twins fans feel sorry for us.

doublem23
05-04-2011, 08:09 PM
Not sure how any team with an 11-21 record can be having fun.

Because they're getting paid millions of dollars to play baseball.

Lip Man 1
05-04-2011, 08:58 PM
Ozzie reacts I guess the way you'd expect him to:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0505-bits-white-sox-twins-chic20110504,0,876915.story

Lip

gogosox675
05-04-2011, 09:01 PM
At this rate the White Sox are going to have less wins than the Bulls did in the regular season. :(:

chisoxfanatic
05-04-2011, 09:27 PM
This year's Sox team is the worst team I have ever followed in my over 20 years of being a sports fan...And, that even includes the Blackhawks team the year after the lockout...I'm really glad I don't have money invested, and I'll be going only if I can get tickets for well below face on StubHub.

A. Cavatica
05-04-2011, 09:49 PM
Ozzie reacts I guess the way you'd expect him to:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0505-bits-white-sox-twins-chic20110504,0,876915.story

Lip

Billy Martin's teams tended to tail off after the players tuned Martin out, too.

LongLiveFisk
05-04-2011, 09:59 PM
Because they're getting paid millions of dollars to play baseball.

I know. God forbid they should actually want to win games and be competitive.

Silly me. :redface:

Zakath
05-04-2011, 10:07 PM
Must go 79-51 for 90 wins and a realistic chance at winning the division...

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are a bad road trip away from this season being officially OVAH

:angry::angry::angry:

Bad road trips for the Sox usually have a stop in Oakland in them somewhere...

tstrike2000
05-04-2011, 10:10 PM
Don't worry, guys. I'm sure they'll break out Friday. Felix Hernandez is the probable starter for Seattle.

The Sox may become the first team in MLB history to have negative hits in a game.

PaleHoser
05-04-2011, 11:07 PM
His assertion today that the current Sox are better than the 1967 Red Sox was laughable.

I don't know about that. Should be a good game, considering that all the members of the '67 Red Sox should be drawing Social Security and some are deceased. The current Sox just play like they are.

tstrike2000
05-04-2011, 11:12 PM
Ozzie reacts I guess the way you'd expect him to:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0505-bits-white-sox-twins-chic20110504,0,876915.story

Lip

Captain Clueless and his band of minions.

soltrain21
05-04-2011, 11:18 PM
The Sox may become the first team in MLB history to have negative hits in a game.

I'm assuming that would involve fouling it off your own groin.

tstrike2000
05-04-2011, 11:22 PM
I'm assuming that would involve fouling it off your own groin.

Absolutely, and they'll forget to put on a cup beforehand.

Hitmen77
05-05-2011, 12:16 AM
It's the Twins, so the Sox knew exactly what they needed to do:

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:
:whiteflag: :whiteflag: :whiteflag:
:tiphat: :tiphat: :tiphat: :tiphat:


But at least Ozzie and Hawk can continue their man-crush of Gardenhire's team
:giverose:

4-17 in the last 21 games. Wow...

I wonder how long it's been since they've had such a bad 20 or 21 game stretch?

sunofgold
05-05-2011, 12:40 AM
Things looking bad right now, but I am not giving up. Starting pitching has been pretty good and kept us in games. Danks deserves better than 0-5.

Rios might be getting out of his slump. Hopefully, Dunn starts to get better. I would like to see the Tank get called up.

We have found our closer who has a 0.00 ERA. Crain is quietly pitching well. Thornton and Sale can get better.

BainesHOF
05-05-2011, 12:59 AM
the "Heart of the Organization", Nancy Faust

Not according to Ozzie.

Nellie_Fox
05-05-2011, 01:01 AM
I wish all Sox fans would boycott the games, just to show how pissed we are. I will not watch another game until someone is fired, more specifically OZZIE.Look at your screen name. How about firing Dunn?

So yesterday Alex Rios said he is going to stop worrying about where his hands are and his stance and concentrate on just hitting the ball. Three hits today. Reminds me of what Scott Podsednik said last year just before he resuscitated the team. I could be wrong, but I would guess that what both meant was that they were going to stop listening to Greg Walker. Apparently Walker works for some (Konerko) but others may be better off ignoring him. So don't fire him, ignore him.Since I watch the games on Extra Innings, I get the other team's feed a lot. Virtually every one of the analysts for other teams have commented that you simply cannot hit with your hands down at your beltline like Rios has them. If that's what Walker's trying to fix, and Rios isn't listening to that, then it's not just Walker who thinks Rios will never be able to hit consistently from that hand position, and it's on Rios for not listening.

Falstaff
05-05-2011, 01:05 AM
If you are going to ignore him then might as well **** can him and replace him. Maybe, just maybe, someone else might help the offense.

Well, since BIG CHANGES are needed how about recruiting the BIG HURT to teach hitting? Seems current players may actually pay attention to Frank Thomas advice. Also, he was a player who very much valued his hitting coach and learned to adapt his style throughout (future HOF) long productive career. Hit for average? check Hit for power? check RISP? check
Heck he might even be one to bring a bit of professionalism to the lockeroom and playing field. Is this a crazy idea? What would it take?

doublem23
05-05-2011, 01:08 AM
Well, since BIG CHANGES are needed how about recruiting the BIG HURT to teach hitting? Seems current players may actually pay attention to Frank Thomas advice. Also, he was a player who very much valued his hitting coach and learned to adapt his style throughout (future HOF) long productive career. Hit for average? check Hit for power? check RISP? check
Heck he might even be one to bring a bit of professionalism to the lockeroom and playing field. Is this a crazy idea? What would it take?

Yes. There is zero correlation between a player's skill and his ability to coach. Probably the only thing worse than just keeping Walker around for the hell of it would be bringing in a guy with no coaching experience whatsoever and who was also notorious for being the only successful pupil of a hitting coach who everyone else hated.

Love Big Frank, but not in a management position right now.

BainesHOF
05-05-2011, 01:13 AM
The most embarrassing/worst part of the season is that no changes have been made. Nobody is being held accountable. By the time anything is done, it will be pointless. For whatever reason, the organization has a death wish.

cws05champ
05-05-2011, 01:23 AM
Look at your screen name. How about firing Dunn?


Dunn struggling early was predictable...switching leagues, adjusting to DH, learning new pitchers etc. It's everyone else struggling besides Konerko that has been a big issue.

Please just fire Walker...if nothing more than a temporary boost.

Nellie_Fox
05-05-2011, 01:50 AM
Dunn struggling early was predictable...switching leagues, adjusting to DH, learning new pitchers etc. It's everyone else struggling besides Konerko that has been a big issue.As far as I'm concerned, the Dunn excuses are B.S. Don't the pitchers have to "learn" him just as much?

Quentin is doing okay.

doublem23
05-05-2011, 01:59 AM
As far as I'm concerned, the Dunn excuses are B.S. Don't the pitchers have to "learn" him just as much?

Quentin is doing okay.

Yeah, I agree, it's not like the AL mound is closer, further, taller, or shorter. It's the same ****, just hit the ****ing ball. Also, in this day of free agency and interleague, it's not like the American League was this hidden, magical realm that he knew nothing about.

1989
05-05-2011, 02:49 AM
Look at your screen name. How about firing Dunn?

Since I watch the games on Extra Innings, I get the other team's feed a lot. Virtually every one of the analysts for other teams have commented that you simply cannot hit with your hands down at your beltline like Rios has them. If that's what Walker's trying to fix, and Rios isn't listening to that, then it's not just Walker who thinks Rios will never be able to hit consistently from that hand position, and it's on Rios for not listening.

I specifically remember that was the mechanical change that Walker advocated to Rios after the 2009 season going into the 2010 season. Previously, he had always had his hands higher and cocked back, but starting in 2010 Rios started keeping his hands down and then loaded his swing by moving his hands back before the pitch. Supposedly, this helped him keep his weight back and prevent him from lunging out and chasing off speed pitches out of the zone. The results were for the most part positive as he bounced back nicely.

Of course Rios is struggling immensely right now, so perhaps another mechanical adjustment is in order for Alex.

Zakath
05-05-2011, 06:11 AM
Dunn struggling early was predictable...switching leagues, adjusting to DH, learning new pitchers etc.


That appendicitis thing didn't help either. He came back way too quickly, just as Paulie did after the oblique problem.

On the positive side, he's actually drawn more walks than strikeouts since May began, even though he's 1-for-10 this month.

Not a hell of a positive, I know, but in the middle of a hurricane, you'll look for anything to hang your hat on (just don't tip it).

Zakath
05-05-2011, 06:18 AM
For the stats-inclined, realize that the Twins have scored the fewest runs in the AL this year (only team with less than 100) and have the highest team ERA in the league as well.

And we just got swept by them.

The :whiner: and :angry: are quickly turning to that sardonic :lol: you get with :whiteflag:and :rip:.

GoGoCrede
05-05-2011, 09:13 AM
Not according to Ozzie.

Touche. His comments about the organ music last year were sad.

miker
05-05-2011, 09:39 AM
Touche. His comments about the organ music last year were sad.

He should be fired just for that.

Lip Man 1
05-05-2011, 12:12 PM
Hitmen:

From May 27 to June 24, 2007 the Sox went 5-22.

And this is the worst start to a season since 1979.

Lip

miker
05-05-2011, 12:17 PM
And this is the worst start to a season since 1979.

All right...maybe another Disco Demolition Night will make this season more interesting.

It'sADunnBomb
05-05-2011, 02:02 PM
Look at your screen name. How about firing Dunn?

Since I watch the games on Extra Innings, I get the other team's feed a lot. Virtually every one of the analysts for other teams have commented that you simply cannot hit with your hands down at your beltline like Rios has them. If that's what Walker's trying to fix, and Rios isn't listening to that, then it's not just Walker who thinks Rios will never be able to hit consistently from that hand position, and it's on Rios for not listening.
I was well aware as was every Sox fan that this was bound to happen with Dunn.

soxinem1
05-05-2011, 06:01 PM
All right...maybe another Disco Demolition Night will make this season more interesting.

More like a Payroll Demolition.

The White Sox should file a grievance with the league because their team is impersonating a MLB baseball team by performing like a bunch of *******s.

Nellie_Fox
05-06-2011, 01:15 AM
I was well aware as was every Sox fan that this was bound to happen with Dunn.Again, B.S. If every Sox fan was aware that this was "bound to happen," then why were so many people so excited to get him? Other players change leagues and are just fine. There's not that much difference any more. There's no longer different strike zones like there used to be, because the umpires are MLB umpires instead of league umpires. There's not the lack of familiarity because of interleague play. He is a HUGE part of what's killing the Sox, performing at a .153/.301/.282 clip out of the three-hole. You really thought he'd be this bad and were okay with that?

TheOldRoman
05-06-2011, 10:12 AM
Again, B.S. If every Sox fan was aware that this was "bound to happen," then why were so many people so excited to get him? Other players change leagues and are just fine. There's not that much difference any more. There's no longer different strike zones like there used to be, because the umpires are MLB umpires instead of league umpires. There's not the lack of familiarity because of interleague play. He is a HUGE part of what's killing the Sox, performing at a .153/.301/.282 clip out of the three-hole. You really thought he'd be this bad and were okay with that?I rolled my eyes when the stat crowd declared Dunn the Sox' best hitter in the offseason. Nevermind the fact that his career average is .249, he was the Sox' best hitter because he hit a lot of homers and that is all that matters. Once the season started, those same people where screaming at Ozzie for batting him 3rd. Your best hitter should be hitting third. Of course, Dunn isn't even close to being the Sox' best hitter.

BringHomeDaBacon
05-06-2011, 11:14 AM
Touche. His comments about the organ music last year were sad.

What did he say?

asindc
05-06-2011, 11:20 AM
I rolled my eyes when the stat crowd declared Dunn the Sox' best hitter in the offseason. Nevermind the fact that his career average is .249, he was the Sox' best hitter because he hit a lot of homers and that is all that matters. Once the season started, those same people where screaming at Ozzie for batting him 3rd. Your best hitter should be hitting third. Of course, Dunn isn't even close to being the Sox' best hitter.

Agree 100%.

SI1020
05-06-2011, 11:22 AM
What did he say? Guillen compared Nancy's organ music to the vuvuzela, the South African horn that blares incessantly at soccer games.