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DSpivack
04-20-2011, 05:54 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=6397488

Wow.

Fenway
04-20-2011, 06:10 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/sports/baseball/21dodgers.html?_r=1&ref=sports

I feel bad for Frank as he was always a good guy.

Jamie - I can't type what I want too

thomas35forever
04-20-2011, 07:28 PM
Man, this is serious. Yeah, the Mets, Rays and A's have problems too, but it hasn't gotten this bad for them. I wonder what's going to happen next.

WhiteSox5187
04-20-2011, 08:14 PM
Man, this is serious. Yeah, the Mets, Rays and A's have problems too, but it hasn't gotten this bad for them. I wonder what's going to happen next.

I suspect that the team will be put up for sale. But maybe Selig will do what he did with the Expos and try to move the Dodgers back to Brooklyn!

Hitmen77
04-20-2011, 09:54 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=6397488

Wow.

My exact same reaction.

Amazing that the National League teams in the 2 largest cities in America are in complete disarray.

DSpivack
04-20-2011, 10:37 PM
I suspect that the team will be put up for sale. But maybe Selig will do what he did with the Expos and try to move the Dodgers back to Brooklyn!

NYT article speculates that Selig will wait for McCourt to default on his loans and then have the league sell the team, as they did with Tom Hicks and the Rangers. It will be interesting to follow.

bigsoxfan420
04-21-2011, 08:30 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=6397488

Wow.

Ahh...that explains the comment I heard on Channel 5 this morning.

gobears1987
04-21-2011, 09:42 AM
NYT article speculates that Selig will wait for McCourt to default on his loans and then have the league sell the team, as they did with Tom Hicks and the Rangers. It will be interesting to follow.

They will easily find a buyer for the Dodgers.

asindc
04-21-2011, 09:48 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/sports/baseball/21dodgers.html?_r=1&ref=sports

I feel bad for Frank as he was always a good guy.

Jamie - I can't type what I want too

I have always suspected they she provokes that kind of reaction.

ewokpelts
04-21-2011, 10:13 AM
remember, the mccourts were a finalist in the red sox. i bet fenway's glad THAT didnt happen

Fenway
04-21-2011, 10:16 AM
I think Selig has already made up his mind on the new owners. Don't be surprised if you see Tom Werner, Larry Lucchino and Janet Marie Smith called in to save the team and the stadium.

This is how bad it has gotten....Anaheim now has sold more season tickets and may outdraw the Dodgers for the first time ever. The upper deck of the stadium is falling apart. A friend says the place now reminds him of Shea Stadium.

Good article in the Boston Globe

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2011/04/21/whole_new_ballgame_as_mlb_takes_dodgers/


LA Times writers remember some of the stunts Jamie has pulled.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-dodgers-20110421,0,7011209.column

I used to see Frank at Fenway all the time and he would always stop in the Baseball Tavern after a game.

Here is a little story about Jamie that speaks volumes...

Once after a game I was on the elevator at Fenway with Jamie and another woman. The older woman was smoking in the elevator and Jamie starting yelling at the older woman. This was not a wise move on Jamie's part as the older woman happened to own the elevator - JEAN YAWKEY :tongue:

Fenway
04-21-2011, 11:43 AM
OUCH

Seven years with the Boston Parking Lot Attendant and the Screaming Meanie in control was about seven years too many.

By T.J. Simers (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers-20110421,0,2697089.column)

vinny
04-21-2011, 12:02 PM
I would not be surprised to see Selig take over the Mets this season as well.

Hitmen77
04-21-2011, 12:59 PM
I think Selig has already made up his mind on the new owners. Don't be surprised if you see Tom Werner, Larry Lucchino and Janet Marie Smith called in to save the team and the stadium.

This is how bad it has gotten....Anaheim now has sold more season tickets and may outdraw the Dodgers for the first time ever. The upper deck of the stadium is falling apart. A friend says the place now reminds him of Shea Stadium.

Good article in the Boston Globe

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2011/04/21/whole_new_ballgame_as_mlb_takes_dodgers/



I thought Dodger Stadium was supposed to undergo major renovations in time for this 50th anniversary next year. Did those plans never go forward?

As far as the Angels outdrawing the Dodgers, the Angels have been to the playoffs 6 times since 2002 (including the '02 WS championship). That span has included 100, 99, 97, 95, 94 and 92 win seasons.

Note to White Sox: Look at the success the Angels are having at the ticket window. If you want to make a run at the Cubs dominance in Chicago, take advantage of their ineptitude NOW and start string together more playoff appearances!!:mad:

Fenway
04-21-2011, 01:05 PM
I thought Dodger Stadium was supposed to undergo major renovations in time for this 50th anniversary next year. Did those plans never go forward?

As far as the Angels outdrawing the Dodgers, the Angels have been to the playoffs 6 times since 2002 (including the '02 WS championship). That span has included 100, 99, 97, 95, 94 and 92 win seasons.

Note to White Sox: Look at the success the Angels are having at the ticket window. If you want to make a run at the Cubs dominance in Chicago, take advantage of their ineptitude NOW and start string together more playoff appearances!!:mad:

Frank fixed up the expensive seats - the upper deck has become steerage

ewokpelts
04-21-2011, 01:12 PM
I thought Dodger Stadium was supposed to undergo major renovations in time for this 50th anniversary next year. Did those plans never go forward?

As far as the Angels outdrawing the Dodgers, the Angels have been to the playoffs 6 times since 2002 (including the '02 WS championship). That span has included 100, 99, 97, 95, 94 and 92 win seasons.

Note to White Sox: Look at the success the Angels are having at the ticket window. If you want to make a run at the Cubs dominance in Chicago, take advantage of their ineptitude NOW and start string together more playoff appearances!!:mad:the angels also have a TON of deals out there. and no "secret" codes either. flat out offers for 1/2 priced tickets, and a TON of giveaway items.

SI1020
04-21-2011, 02:06 PM
I thought Dodger Stadium was supposed to undergo major renovations in time for this 50th anniversary next year. Did those plans never go forward?

As far as the Angels outdrawing the Dodgers, the Angels have been to the playoffs 6 times since 2002 (including the '02 WS championship). That span has included 100, 99, 97, 95, 94 and 92 win seasons.

Note to White Sox: Look at the success the Angels are having at the ticket window. If you want to make a run at the Cubs dominance in Chicago, take advantage of their ineptitude NOW and start string together more playoff appearances!!:mad: I think that window may have already closed.

SI1020
04-21-2011, 02:12 PM
Frank fixed up the expensive seats - the upper deck has become steerage It's dangerous in more ways than one to sit up there.

Fenway
04-22-2011, 11:23 AM
I shudder to think he almost wound up with the Red Sox

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1332469

Fenway
04-22-2011, 11:24 AM
It's dangerous in more ways than one to sit up there.

My LA friends say it is shocking how the place has fallen apart..and it happened quickly.

Risk
04-22-2011, 11:26 AM
It brings me no joy whatsoever seeing what the McCourts (along with other bad owners like the Wilpons and Loria, but I digress) have done, and I'm not even a fan of the Dodgers.

Risk

asindc
04-22-2011, 12:24 PM
I think that window may have already closed.

Pessimism much?

SI1020
04-22-2011, 01:10 PM
Pessimism much? Realistic I think. Everything is different now than it was in the Go Go era of my youth. Demographics, the media, you name it. Besides, where is that quote someone had on their sig where KW says the Sox will probably have to win another and then another WS to change the landscape?

Lip Man 1
04-22-2011, 01:42 PM
Right now I'd be happy with consecutive playoff appearances for the first time in franchise history (and the only team out of the original 16 pre-expansion franchises to have NEVER done that...)

Lip

Bobby Thigpen
04-22-2011, 01:56 PM
Why do Sox fans like to ridicule Cubs fans for their "attendance trophies" and "popularity" pride, yet constantly pine for the Sox to "take over the city"?

doublem23
04-22-2011, 02:11 PM
Why do Sox fans like to ridicule Cubs fans for their "attendance trophies" and "popularity" pride, yet constantly pine for the Sox to "take over the city"?

Because Cub fans throw that stupid attendance **** in our face all the time. It'd be great to see 'em squirm when they didn't have any bullets left in their chamber.

Fenway
04-22-2011, 02:25 PM
It brings me no joy whatsoever seeing what the McCourts (along with other bad owners like the Wilpons and Loria, but I digress) have done, and I'm not even a fan of the Dodgers.

Risk

I can tell you for a FACT this is the man that convinced Selig to do something.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/04/mlb_hires_dr_ch.html

Dr. C bailed on them last year when he saw the infighting. He wishes nothing but the best for Frank.... Jamie not exactly. One of the core issues is Jamie comes from a family that was as wealthy as the McCourt's and she really helped Frank increase his fortune.

Frank's brother David is the driving force behind RCN Cable.

Larry Lucchino and Tom Werner both told the Boston Globe they are very happy in Boston and have 'no interest' in the Dodgers. Nobody believes that but Selig may well have put a gag order in effect.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/04/22/lucchino_werner_up_for_dodge_ball/

Hitmen77
04-22-2011, 02:54 PM
Why do Sox fans like to ridicule Cubs fans for their "attendance trophies" and "popularity" pride, yet constantly pine for the Sox to "take over the city"?

Way to put words in my mouth. Where did I say I wanted the Sox to "take over the city" so that we can brag about "attendance trophies"?:?: Since you put that in quotes, who are you quoting since that's not what I said.

I think it's in every Sox fans' interest to have this team gain a better foothold in this market and not have the Cubs continue to dominate. We see and hear it all the time from Sox ownership: if fans don't turn out, then we'll have to cut payroll, etc. I think the Angels are a good example. They aren't going to "take over" L.A. from the Dodgers but they have made a good effort to become more of a factor in that market and not just a 2nd banana afterthought.

If you can't tell the difference between the Cubs fanbase's constant buffoonish comments about attendance/popularity and a desire by Sox fans (or any fans) to have their favorite team grab an even firmer foothold in the Chicago market, then I'm not going to waste any more time explaining it.

Hitmen77
04-22-2011, 03:13 PM
My LA friends say it is shocking how the place has fallen apart..and it happened quickly.

At nearly 50 years old, I'd imagine the team would need to invest in keeping the facility in good shape. The Dodgers have now played at Dodger Stadium longer than they played at Ebbets Field

Fenway
04-22-2011, 03:30 PM
At nearly 50 years old, I'd imagine the team would need to invest in keeping the facility in good shape. The Dodgers have now played at Dodger Stadium longer than they played at Ebbets Field

The O'Malley's kept the park looking as pristine as the day it opened....Murdoch did the same - Frank took over :o:

McCourt got his loan from FOX only after he was willing to move the Dodgers to the new Time-Warner channel.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0422-dodgers-fox-20110422,0,682794.story

PalehosePlanet
04-22-2011, 03:34 PM
I can tell you for a FACT this is the man that convinced Selig to do something.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/04/mlb_hires_dr_ch.html

Dr. C bailed on them last year when he saw the infighting. He wishes nothing but the best for Frank.... Jamie not exactly. One of the core issues is Jamie comes from a family that was as wealthy as the McCourt's and she really helped Frank increase his fortune.

Frank's brother David is the driving force behind RCN Cable.

Larry Lucchino and Tom Werner both told the Boston Globe they are very happy in Boston and have 'no interest' in the Dodgers. Nobody believes that but Selig may well have put a gag order in effect.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/04/22/lucchino_werner_up_for_dodge_ball/

Very interesting articles Fens.

Are there any rumblings of big-money outsiders that would buy The Dodgers that have been rumored/mentioned?

I would think that there would be a long line of potential buyers for what is by far the NL's signature franchise.

Fenway
04-22-2011, 03:46 PM
Very interesting articles Fens.

Are there any rumblings of big-money outsiders that would buy The Dodgers that have been rumored/mentioned?

I would think that there would be a long line of potential buyers for what is by far the NL's signature franchise.

Which begs the question....how on earth did Frank McCourt get them in the first place? The thinking in Boston is that Selig asked him to drop out to clear the way for John Henry and promised McCourt something in the future.

Frank owned the only land in downtown Boston that a new park could have been built. He combined bids with Charles Dolan and then withdrew.

This mess has to be breaking Vin Scully's heart.

ewokpelts
04-22-2011, 04:02 PM
the article also mentions that time-warner wanted to buy the naming rights for dodger stadium.

Fenway
04-22-2011, 04:11 PM
the article also mentions that time-warner wanted to buy the naming rights for dodger stadium.


http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/08/24/1188008519_3452/539w.jpg
McCourt sold the family home in Boston in 2007 for $16 million to John Henry.

As you can see it is less than 2 miles from Fenway
http://goo.gl/maps/q7B0

Fenway
04-24-2011, 02:19 PM
A couple of articles by national writers on the LA mess

McCourt will go after Selig in court.....and we all know if you find the right judge all bets are off....


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2011/04/24/selig_mccourt_battle_could_get_ugly_in_la/?page=full


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2011/04/23/2011-04-23_bud_selig_has_best_interests_of_baseball_on_his _side_in_battle_with_dodgers_owne.htm

SI1020
04-24-2011, 05:30 PM
A couple of articles by national writers on the LA mess

McCourt will go after Selig in court.....and we all know if you find the right judge all bets are off....


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2011/04/24/selig_mccourt_battle_could_get_ugly_in_la/?page=full


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2011/04/23/2011-04-23_bud_selig_has_best_interests_of_baseball_on_his _side_in_battle_with_dodgers_owne.htm It appears to me that McCourt may have a case against Selig. At least it does based on the Boston link you provided.

ewokpelts
04-25-2011, 09:59 AM
http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/08/24/1188008519_3452/539w.jpg
McCourt sold the family home in Boston in 2007 for $16 million to John Henry.

As you can see it is less than 2 miles from Fenway
http://goo.gl/maps/q7B0

That's fine and dandy, BUT what does it have to do with dodger stadium's naming rights?

Fenway
04-25-2011, 10:15 AM
That's fine and dandy, BUT what does it have to do with dodger stadium's naming rights?

When he sold the house - the agreement he had with Jamie about the Dodgers became invalid - he gave up any claim to living in Massachusetts. Jamie pounced on that.

Fenway
04-25-2011, 07:40 PM
J. Thomas Schieffer to run Dodgers

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=6426119

ComiskeyBrewer
04-25-2011, 11:27 PM
When he sold the house - the agreement he had with Jamie about the Dodgers became invalid - he gave up any claim to living in Massachusetts. Jamie pounced on that.

I'm lost, what agreement?