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SoxxoS
07-06-2002, 01:29 PM
First time posting in a few days, so a lot of things to say. First off, everyone on this team is too freakin one-dimentional. The only "all around" position players are Mags and Konerko. You can also make a case for Durham if he is hitting. Everyone else can either play defense, or can hit, and the players that can allegedly hit, aren't hitting. So you basically have 1 sided BAD players (Lofton, Valentin, Clayton, CLee, Alomar, and Johnson.) All bad. Like I stated before, we have the 2 stars in Mags and Konerko. We need 6 other John Olerud types (CONSISTANT, although unspectacular at defense and offense.) We have 6 Valentin's, who are extremely inconsistant. Consistancy wins world series. Our pitchers are the same way. Wright, could throw a 3 hitter, could throw a 30 hitter. Foulke used to be consistant, and still is. But the only problem is consistantly bad, and JM still trots him out there. Look at Minnesota for example. Those players are the players you want. Players who bust there ass, and are consistant but unspactacular. They dont even have a true "star" like we have. They are just really good and defense and solid at the plate. Its a real shame. And Nardi Contreras is a huge problem we have to get rid of. I usually dont blame the coaches, but he is the exception. I have to go, but comments welcome...

baggio202
07-06-2002, 02:03 PM
its not the offense thats the problem..we are towards the top in runs scored..its the pitching...no one wins a division when their team era is approaching 5..i did this analysis a couple of days ago

here are the top teams records when they score 3 and 4 runs per game or less

team......3 runs or less..........4 runs or less

yanks......10-19.............................18-20

carmines..7-23..............................15-26

twins........ 8-23.............................14-29

mariners....8-20.............................10-25

pale hose..2-28..............................5-37

we have all pretty much played the same amount of games where we have scored 4 runs or less....but the top teams find ways to win games 2-1 and 3-2..we find ways to lose them...

soxtalker
07-06-2002, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by baggio202
its not the offense thats the problem..we are towards the top in runs scored..its the pitching...

When it comes to errors, we're about in the middle of the pack. However, my impression is that our fielding is much worse than that simple statistic indicates. It seems like the pitchers have to constantly get the extra out caused by a misplayed ball. I first became a fan during the 60's, and those teams had a very difficult time even manufacturing runs. The pitching differed from today's era of specialist pitchers. But I do remember that the defense was stellar.

RKMeibalane
07-06-2002, 03:58 PM
If Ken Williams wants to be a "buyer" this season, then he should order a set of those Tom Emansky baseball instructional videos for the entire Sox infield.

soxtalker
07-06-2002, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
If Ken Williams wants to be a "buyer" this season, then he should order a set of those Tom Emansky baseball instructional videos for the entire Sox infield.

I thought teaching such things was supposed to be one of JM's strengths. It might work well with younger players, but we don't have a particularly young infield.

Iguana775
07-06-2002, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by soxtalker


I thought teaching such things was supposed to be one of JM's strengths. It might work well with younger players, but we don't have a particularly young infield.

well, get ride of royce, ray, jose and bring up crede, harris and hummell. then we'd have a young infield.

not that i am saying we should do this. maybe JM should be our AAA coach since he is supposed to be good with young infielders.

MarkEdward
07-06-2002, 04:29 PM
Baseball Prospectus has the Sox third in the AL, according to their Defensive Efficiency rating. Since I don't know what goes into calculating Defensive Efficiency, I can't really comment on the stat. The Sox are also 28th in the majors in strikeouts. Less strikeouts, more balls in play, meaning a chance for more errors.

RKMeibalane
07-06-2002, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by MarkEdward
Baseball Prospectus has the Sox third in the AL, according to their Defensive Efficiency rating. Since I don't know what goes into calculating Defensive Efficiency, I can't really comment on the stat. The Sox are also 28th in the majors in strikeouts. Less strikeouts, more balls in play, meaning a chance for more errors.

Those numbers can be deceiving. For example, somebody here commented on how Carlos Lee has made fewer errors in left than Shannon Stewart, but I think it's obvious that Stewart is a much better fielder. Lee doesn't have as many errors because there are a lot of balls he doesn't go after, but Stewart dives for them.

Nellie_Fox
07-07-2002, 03:01 AM
And then there are those balls that our stalwarts don't even get to, so it can't be called an error. I shuddered as I watched a simple flyball to left in the Hump Dump. Was it Rowand? I don't even remember now, but he turned one way, then the other, and then finally fell down on the warning track as the ball dropped in. He didn't touch it, no error. This is a bad defensive club.

harwar
07-07-2002, 10:58 AM
We are in this mess because of the disasterous PR move by reinsdorf,who wanted to be the first MLB organization to have african-american GM & manager.I think its a sound PR move if you have a GM waiting who knows whats hes' doing.Its obvious to me that KW is playing it by ear and dancing as fast as he can.I've seen posts here that bash Dan Evans and praise KW.It boggles my mind.If Evans would have got the nod(as he deserved) we might have odales perez and omar daal on this team instead of the dodgers.I was furious when JR let Evans walk.And for good reason as now there is talk that Danny boy just may be voted executive-of-the-year.